The Money with Katie Show

On this week’s special Rich Girl Roundtable with Berna Anat: Traditional financial advice isn’t “one size fits all,” and that’s especially true for first-gen Americans who face unique challenges around building wealth and supporting family. How are the rules different for this demographic, and how can we make conversations around money more inclusive? Rich Girl Roundup is Money with Katie's weekly segment where Katie and her Executive Producer Henah answer your burning money questions. Each month, we'll put out a call for questions on her Instagram (@moneywithkatie). New episodes every week. Transcript, show resources, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/first-gen-finances. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2023 has been a year of soaring prices and rising inflation rates. In tough markets like today’s, fixed-income maturities can help provide stability and growth. We review traditional income strategies—such as bonds, deferred fixed annuities, and CDs—as well as new innovations in the space, like fractional CDs. About Fresh Invest: From market shifts to emerging asset classes, Fresh Invest breaks down the current financial climate, what it means to you as an investor, and actionable steps you can take to manage your money and set yourself up for a solid financial future. Join Morning Brew co-founder and executive chairman Alex Lieberman on his weekly deep dive with Fidelity guests. Custom music by Davis Jones. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Women and men can have very different lived experiences when it comes to money. We talk through what some of these differences are, discuss how they impact financial planning, and explore investing strategies that support women’s unique financial goals. About Fresh Invest: From market shifts to emerging asset classes, Fresh Invest breaks down the current financial climate, what it means to you as an investor, and actionable steps you can take to manage your money and set yourself up for a solid financial future. Join Morning Brew co-founder and executive chairman Alex Lieberman on his weekly deep dive with Fidelity guests. Custom music by Davis Jones. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this Rich Girl Roundup review: We’re discussing a uniquely challenging crop of feedback, critiques, and questions about… the episode that generated some rousing back-and-forth about American exceptionalism the conversation that prompted some of you to reach out and share your successes and horror stories one writer’s work that elevated my understanding of the relationship between our material conditions and family planning 📙 Preorder your copy of Rich Girl Nation (out 6/10), and receive 3 free book bonuses! — Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: ⁠https://moneywithkatie.com/radicalization-wealth. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Can you pay people to have kids? On one hand, countries that have beefed up social safety nets and pay people to procreate often see short-term success. But long-term results have been remarkably consistent worldwide: It’s very hard to pay people to have children. My guest, writer Meagan Day, joins me today to discuss the recent birth rate data, the growing appeal of opt-out fantasies proffered by both tradwife influencers and the manosphere alike, and what our leaders would be wise to consider—beyond a one-time baby bonus. Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: http://moneywithkatie.com/baby-bonus. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Given private equity’s reach (1 in 25 work for a business owned by a PE firm), the industry has the power to shape work culture at scale, for better or for worse. And ironically, that’s exactly why Pete Stavros, co-head of global private equity for KKR, thinks he’s in a unique position to bring employee ownership to the mainstream. Pete’s goal? To dramatically expand the number of Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs) that grant ownership shares to workers: “Imagine how different our economy and our country would be if workers owned a slice of every company in America.” Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/esops. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. — All investing involves the risk of loss, including loss of principal. Brokerage services for US-listed, registered securities, options and bonds in a self-directed account are offered by Public Investing, Inc., member FINRA & SIPC. Public Investing offers a High-Yield Cash Account where funds from this account are automatically deposited into partner banks where they earn interest and are eligible for FDIC insurance; Public Investing is not a bank. Alpha is an AI research tool powered by GPT-4. Output from Alpha is not investment advice and should be verified for accuracy.  APY as of 3/13/25,  subject to change. *Terms and Conditions apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Two of our most popular guests—economist Kathryn Edwards (aka Keds) and writer Grace Blakeley—return today for a timely conversation about tariffs, trade wars, and damaged trust. See how they weighed in on the big-picture ideas I couldn’t stop thinking about in this expansive roundtable. Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/tariffs. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. — All investing involves the risk of loss, including loss of principal. Brokerage services for US-listed, registered securities, options and bonds in a self-directed account are offered by Public Investing, Inc., member FINRA & SIPC. Public Investing offers a High-Yield Cash Account where funds from this account are automatically deposited into partner banks where they earn interest and are eligible for FDIC insurance; Public Investing is not a bank. Alpha is an AI research tool powered by GPT-4. Output from Alpha is not investment advice and should be verified for accuracy.  APY as of 3/13/25,  subject to change. *Terms and Conditions apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this week’s Rich Girl Roundup review—joined by a special surprise guest—we’re discussing your feedback, critiques, and questions about… The episode which generated the most fascinating follow-up questions of this batch  Perhaps the most popular interview we’ve produced in the last year A conversation which generated a few messages about the power of design that I can’t stop thinking about Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/bailouts. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. All investing involves the risk of loss, including loss of principal. Brokerage services for US-listed, registered securities, options and bonds in a self-directed account are offered by Public Investing, Inc., member FINRA & SIPC. Public Investing offers a High-Yield Cash Account where funds from this account are automatically deposited into partner banks where they earn interest and are eligible for FDIC insurance; Public Investing is not a bank. Alpha is an AI research tool powered by GPT-4. Output from Alpha is not investment advice and should be verified for accuracy.  APY as of 3/13/25,  subject to change. *Terms and Conditions apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When I met Véronique Hyland, author of the bestselling book Dress Code and ELLE’s fashion features director, about how fashion intersects with politics, gender, and class (and the person who coined the term ‘millennial pink’!), I wanted to talk to her about: 👊🏼 The role of aesthetics in labor movement-building and persuasion campaigns, from tradwife influencers to union leaders 🎽 Why one-size-fits-all flammable crop top brand Brandy Melville also sells literature about libertarian economic policy 💰 What current income and consumption trends—like that almost 50% of all consumption is driven by the top 10% of earners—might portend for fashion trends like “underconsumption” 🥂 And finally, how the time-honored fascination with mimicking “upper class” dress reveals the underlying assumption that the only way to have (or look like you have) a nice life, is to be rich Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/fashion. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. All investing involves the risk of loss, including loss of principal. Brokerage services for US-listed, registered securities, options and bonds in a self-directed account are offered by Public Investing, Inc., member FINRA & SIPC. Public Investing offers a High-Yield Cash Account where funds from this account are automatically deposited into partner banks where they earn interest and are eligible for FDIC insurance; Public Investing is not a bank. Alpha is an AI research tool powered by GPT-4. Output from Alpha is not investment advice and should be verified for accuracy.  APY as of 3/13/25,  subject to change. *Terms and Conditions apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

2025’s financial news cycle feels like a broken wind-up doll, where recession indicators, unemployment numbers, inflation data, and tax cuts are #JustTheTip of an unsettling iceberg. So, this week, we’re joined by economist Kathryn Edwards (aka “Keds Economist”), and I got to ask her about: 🧠 The no-brainer policy with a huge ROI that nobody’s talking about  ✂️ The fundamental flaw with using tax policy (read: tax cuts) to stimulate growth 🇺🇸 Her honest POV on America’s economic outlook and “recession-proofing” a household 👊🏼 The limits of “empowerment” rhetoric, which often tries to use cultural or social nudging to solve problems that simply require money Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/economic-future. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s easy to point out that wealth inequality in America is a problem. It’s much harder to identify realistic fixes. But what if there were a simple, elegant solution? In today’s episode, I’m speaking with Matt Bruenig, a former National Labor Relations Board lawyer and policy expert who’s one of the brightest minds in this space. This conversation will get you thinking differently (and bigger) about money, the economy, and wealth—and why a solidarity economy is stronger for everyone. Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/social-wealth-funds. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s hard to believe, but somehow it’s already time for another Rich Girl Roundup about our last three deep dives: The Real Cost of Being a Working Parent, to which Rich Dad Nation had a decidedly mixed response How Home Insurance and Climate Change are Upending the Real Estate Market, which introduced some good questions about the role of everything from technology to sabotage in effecting change The Truth About “Government Waste,” Privatizing Public Goods, & Turning Citizens into Customers, which generated an absolute treasure trove of stories from government workers We’ll give y’all one guess which generated the lion’s share of emails—this batch of feedback had a surprising amount of tea, so don’t miss it. (00:00) Introduction (01:44) General feedback we've heard recently (08:00) Feedback on the "Working Parents/Childcare" episode (34:45) The "Disappointed Dads" feedback (47:22) Return to office and entitlement (54:39) Feedback on the "Home Insurance & Climate Change" episode (01:08:20) Connecting our "Climate Change" and "Privatization" episodes (01:17:03) Feedback on the "Privatization" episode Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/rto-daycare. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For years, I’ve referenced the book The Privatization of Everything as a seminal work in my understanding of the relationship between government and the private sector. So given the recent DOGE of it all, it seemed like a great time to revisit this conversation—now with one of its authors, Donald Cohen. We discuss the role privatization plays in government waste, and who stands to gain from the transformation of public funds into private wealth. (Hint: It’s not the public!)  Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/privatization. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The average middle class family has 67% of their net worth tied up in its primary residence. But there’s one looming issue: Rising insurance rates and climate change are threatening those property values—and they might be the canary in the coal mine of the American Dream. We’re joined by Dr. Jeremy Porter, author of the First Street report at the center of most recent insurance analyses. We discuss insurers pulling out of “high-risk” states, “insurers of last resort” in those states, climate-driven migration patterns we’re already seeing, and how this is likely to play out over the next few decades. So yes, this episode is about real estate, insurance, and climate risk—but it’s also about the assumptions underpinning wealth in America, and what it means if they’re changing. Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/climate-change. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the past, we covered the national average costs for different types of child care and how it may be directly related to the gender wage and wealth gap. But Eryn Schultz, a CFP known as Her Personal Finance online, reached out to say the data was vastly undershooting the realities of working parents she works with. She joins us today to share the real costs of childcare and what working parents in the US contend with. Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/working-parents. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's our first newly revamped Rich Girl Roundup of 2025, and we’re taking you on a scenic guided tour of the chatter spurred from recent episodes: our most contentious episode to date, one that generated moving revelations from listeners, and the two-part series that ended up being less polarizing than we expected. We also discuss how to jerry-rig your Wealth Planner to project a “Die with Zero”-style drawdown, by popular demand—as well as the potential for a book club or community. (00:00) Introduction to the new Rich Girl Roundup format (03:59) General feedback we've heard recently (12:55) Feedback on the "You Don't Need a Budget" episode (28:27) Amending your Wealth Planner to "Die with Zero" (34:45) Two moving emails from a listener, several years apart (41:19) Feedback on the "What's Next for Money with Katie" episode and downsizing (47:29) The possibility of a Money with Katie book club or community (50:37) Feedback on the GLP-1 weight loss drugs series Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/dangerous-advice. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Part Two of our series, the Economics of Weight Loss Drugs. (If you haven’t heard Part One, listen here!) Today, we’re picking back up where we left off in our conversation with Lili Zarghami, a writer who got on (then off) a weight loss drug. Then we’ll talk with Dr. Mara Gordon, a weight-neutral physician who deals with GLP-1s. Finally, I’ll share my final thoughts and analysis on where the world of GLP-1 agonists is all headed and what it says about health, wealth, stigma, and class. Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/diet-culture. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We’ve all heard about Ozempic. But there are the GLP-1s we colloquially call “Ozempic” (see also: Wegovy, Mounjaro, Zepbound) and then there’s the cultural role of Ozempic. Given the price of these drugs, barriers to access, and class implications of weight stigma, this topic presents a unique opening to talk about inequality in health outcomes and the profitable business of individualizing social problems. In part one of this rare two-part series, we’re covering:  The wage penalties associated with (and relationship between) weight and women, and the parallels between the American attitudes about thinness and wealth The Danish pharma company that put Europe’s entire economy on its back A conversation with a 12-year veteran of drug and device advocacy who said some of the surrounding issues represent, and I quote, “everything wrong with health policy in our country,” especially given the shortages, costs, and online pharmacies springing up to bridge that gap with non-FDA-approved solutions Let’s take a peek at the inside the business of weight loss drugs, and join us here next week for part two. Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/weight-loss-drugs. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After three years and 255 episodes, we take a walk down memory lane to reflect on some of our top episodes of The Money with Katie Show thus far—and where we're going from here. We're excited about what’s to come, and we hope you are, too. Preorder Rich Girl Nation: https://moneywithkatie.com/rich-girl-nation Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/whats-next. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Most personal finance advice falls into one of two camps: one that implicitly assumes that humans need discipline, control, and punishment, and the other that says people are fundamentally good, reasonable, and worthy of trust and confidence. So when I read Dana Miranda's You Don't Need a Budget and realized her system was in that latter bucket, it challenged my own ideas of "budget culture" and what trusting yourself with money might actually look like. Dana joins us on the show today to talk through it all. Transcripts, show notes, production credits, and more can be found at: https://moneywithkatie.com/budget-culture. Money with Katie’s mission is to be the intersection where the economic, cultural, and political meet the tactical, practical, personal finance education everyone needs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices