The Natural State with Dr. Anthony Gustin

  East Forest is a multidisciplinary artist, producer, and ceremony guide known for his genre-blending music combining ambient, neoclassical, avant-pop, and electronic sounds.  East Forest and Anthony discuss the integral role of music in the human experience, particularly in the context of psychedelic-assisted therapy and its potential for healing and emotional processing. Since 2008, his work has focused on using sound as a tool for inner journeys and consciousness expansion. In addition to his music, East Forest offers guided meditations, retreats, and a podcast, Ten Laws w/East Forest, where he explores accessible spirituality and inner resilience. His latest project, Music for Mushrooms, is a documentary exploring the transformative power of psychedelics, music, and community, accompanied by a live ceremony soundtrack. Tune into this episode to hear them discuss: The historical significance of music as a bonding experience for humans throughout history. The origins of music and its use in processing emotions and navigating complex human experiences. The importance of music in psychedelic-assisted therapy and how it serves as a guiding force during transformative experiences. The importance of silence in music and it's role in processing psychedelic journeys. Resources mentioned in this episode: Check out EquipFoods.com and enter code TNS at checkout for 15% off!  Visit LineageProvisions.com and use code AG20 for 20% off your first order! Check out musicformushrooms.com or eastforest.org Watch the trailer to Music for Mushrooms, out now! East Forest's website: eastforest.org East Forest's Instagram: @eastforest

Charles Duhigg is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and bestselling author. He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about the science of “Supercommunicators.”   According to Charles, Supercommunicators have unlocked the secret language of connection. This one trait makes them more successful in all areas of their life.   Best part? Anyone can become a Supercommunicator!   If you’re familiar with Charles’ books The Power of Habit and Smarter Faster Better, you know he takes a science-driven approach to understanding human nature and its potential for transformation.   His new book, Supercommunicators, is no different. It’s full of science-backed tips and tricks for more effective, connection-boosting conversations.   So in this episode, Charles and Dr. Gustin explore: The science of communication, conversation, and connection Why communication is a human superpower The benefits of being a better communicator The three types of conversations How the “Matching Principle” explains miscommunication  The difference between inviting vs. mandating conversations What makes Supercommunicators so effective How to ask deep questions to better connect with others (+ the best one to ask!) What “looping for understanding” means, and how it’s helpful during conflict or arguments   Resources mentioned in this episode: Check out EquipFoods.com and enter code TNS at checkout for 15% off! Visit LineageProvisions.com and use code AG20 for 20% off your first order! Charles Duhigg’s website Charles’ book: Supercommunicators

Eric Edmeades is a globally recognized authority in health, practical psychology, and behavioral transformation. He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about closing the “Evolution Gap.”   For the past 15+ years, Eric has made extensive trips to live with the Hadza Tribe of Tanzania, one of the few remaining hunter-gatherer societies. He even organized the trip Dr. Gustin ventured on with Dr. Paul Saladino!   Eric’s deep immersion and the insights gained from these experiences have significantly informed his work in the health and wellness industry.   His book Postdiabetic offers a holistic, actionable 9-week plan to tackle prediabetes and type 2 diabetes.    His newest book, The Evolution Gap, explores how the mismatch between our slow biological evolution and rapidly innovating modern lives impacts our health and well-being.   Tune into this episode to hear them discuss: How Eric’s unique family history sparked his interest in human evolution The profound changes experienced by the Hadza Tribe since Eric first began visiting Eric’s evolutionary health journey and vegan vs. Paleo diets Why it’s easier to get diabetes today than it was 50 years ago The “Evolution Gap” and why Eric believes almost every physical and mental condition erupts from that space Using natural and artificial solutions to “close” the gap and align our lifestyles more closely with the rhythms/systems our bodies were designed for Resources mentioned in this episode: Check out EquipFoods.com and enter code TNS at checkout for 15% off!  Visit LineageProvisions.com and use code AG20 for 20% off your first order! Eric Edmeades’ website: EricEdmeades.com Eric’s books: The Evolution Gap and Postdiabetic Eric’s WILDFIT® program Eric’s Instagram: @EricEdmeades

In this episode, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about Muscle-Centric-Medicine®.   With her background in family medicine, geriatrics, and nutritional science, Dr. Lyon discovered that optimizing your health starts by focusing on the biggest organ in your body: skeletal muscle.   Her book Forever Strong outlines how your muscle health directly impacts your metabolic health, mental health, and overall lifespan.   As she says, “Muscle is the key to longevity and aging well. The more muscle health you have, the better your trajectory of aging.”   So she uses this approach to help the world’s game changers — from Navy SEALs and elite athletes to CEOs and entrepreneurs — become the best versions of themselves.   During their conversation, Dr. Gustin and Dr. Lyon discuss: The habits, behaviors, and standards her high-performing patients share that predict success across every aspect of their lives. How to create systems that address your personal weaknesses and outsmart your predictability. Why muscle health is so underappreciated and often ignored. Signs you don’t have healthy skeletal muscle. Why a lack of muscle is a greater health threat than obesity. Measuring strength vs. power to determine muscle quality. The importance of eating enough protein, working out hard enough, and building/preserving muscle mass as we age.    Resources mentioned in this episode: Go to EquipFoods.com/TNS to grab 15% off your order Visit LineageProvisions.com and use code AG20 for 20% off your first order Dr. Gabrielle Lyon’s Website: DrGabrielleLyon.com Dr. Lyon’s Book: Forever Strong: A New, Science-Based Strategy for Aging Well Dr. Lyon’s Podcast: The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show Dr. Lyon’s Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, and TikTok: @DrGabrielleLyon  

Dr. Josh Axe, DC, DNM, CNS, is a certified doctor of natural medicine and clinical nutritionist who helps people heal and prevent illness by using food, lifestyle, and mindset medicine. He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about how the right mindset creates a more meaningful life.   Dr. Axe suffered a very traumatic injury that left him unable to walk. He spent the last year and a half recovering by using natural remedies and focusing on mindset, which he shares more about during the episode.   This experience solidified his beliefs about what’s important in life besides nutrition and physical health — faith, spirituality, and being a good human.   Tune in to hear them discuss: Why “mindset medicine” is the biggest aspect of better health we’re not talking about The benefits of finding your purpose and identity How Dr. Axe defied his doctor’s expectations with a healing mindset What religion and spirituality mean to them Lessons we can learn about being a good human from the Bible to The Lord of the Rings Our universal purpose to heal the Earth and its people Using your unique talents to heed your calling and help others Virtue ethics and what makes someone a good person The difference between an Accomplishing mindset vs. a Becoming mindset   Resources mentioned in this episode: Visit HVMN.com/AG to get 30% off your first subscription order of Ketone-IQTM Visit LineageProvisions.com and use code AG20 for 20% off your first order Dr. Josh Axe’s website: DrAxe.com Dr. Axe’s new book: Think This, Not That Dr. Axe’s Instagram: @DrJoshAxe Dr. Axe on Facebook

Jake Marquez and Maren Morgan are filmmakers, writers, and podcasters. They chat with Dr. Anthony Gustin about their crazy journey making their documentary and podcast: Death In the Garden.   For the last four years, Jake and Maren have been trying to untangle the complex, tangled web of how we address climate change, fix the food system, and, hopefully, save the world.   Their project discusses these and other problems in our society through the lenses of ecology, philosophy, myth, storytelling, and, ultimately, our fear of death.   Jake and Maren have experienced their fair share of anxiety, despair, and existential dread on their quest for ecological and cultural regeneration.   But as you’ll hear in the episode, they’ve learned how to find meaning and purpose. They also helped Jake’s mom start a grass-fed tallow balm company called The Beekeeper’s Granddaughter!   Tune into the episode as these three chat about: What inspired Jake and Maren to start the Death In The Garden project Why prioritizing “left-brain consciousness” is harming our society/planet What it looks like to live ethically in an unethical world The four reasons people go vegan (and why Jake stopped) The potential collapse and finding good in the next “Dark Ages” Finding meaning and purpose in life   The value of conscious, intentional consumption The most important things we can do to change the food system How being conscious about our mortality empowers us to embrace the natural cycles of life, death, and regeneration (and not make the same mistakes) Their hopes for this generation and what’s next for them   Resources mentioned in this episode: Visit HVMN.com/AG to get 30% off your first subscription order of Ketone-IQTM Visit LineageProvisions.com and use code AG20 for 20% off your first order Jake and Maren’s substack: DeathInTheGarden.substack.com @DeathInTheGarden on Instagram @Death_TheGarden on Twitter Jake’s Mom’s grass-fed tallow balm company: The Beekeeper’s Granddaughter Small is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered by E.F. Schumacher  A Guide for the Perplexed by E.F. Schumacher  The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World by Iain McGilchrist Dark Ages America: The Final Phase of Empire by Morris Berman Civilized to Death: The Price of Progress by Christopher Ryan

Dr. Paul Saladino, double board-certified MD, author, and host of the Paul Saladino MD podcast, chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about the journey and launch of their new brand: Lineage Provisions.   Sparked by their desire to make foods they want to eat and feed their loved ones, they set out to create an animal-based food company with the highest standards for nutrient-density, taste, and transparency.    But as you’ll hear in this behind-the-scenes peek, the journey wasn’t easy. After two years and 50+ formulas, Dr. Saladino and Dr. Gustin are now proud to offer the best meat snack the world has ever seen.   Tune into this episode to hear: How the “Quest for Convenience” ruined our food supply and eating habits What some meat producers hide behind grass-fed labels Why the “naturally occurring” nitrates and nitrites in celery powder may not be any better for us The incredible health benefits of vitamin K2 and where to get it in your diet What inspired Dr. Saladino and Dr. Gustin’s collaboration How they vet farmers, suppliers, etc., to bring their products to market The proprietary air drying process they engineered to preserve nutrients  Why their small batch, 100% regeneratively raised, grass-fed and finished beef & organ meat sticks are unmatched by competitors  Their ideas for the next product launches (based on your feedback!) Q&A session, including why you won’t find Lineage Provisions in grocery stores yet, what the beef and organ sticks taste like, whether kids like them, and more!   Resources mentioned in this episode: Dr. Paul Saladino and Dr. Anthony Gustin’s company: Lineage Provisions Dr. Saladino’s podcast 

Cole Mannix, President and Founder of Old Salt Co-op, chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about creating a vertically integrated pasture-to-plate ecosystem.   Cole’s meat company brings together ranchers to support land stewardship, fix the local food system in Montana, and make regenerative more sustainable.    They’ve integrated everything from processing, sourcing, distribution, and marketing to running their own farm-to-table restaurants.   Though his family’s been ranching in Montana’s Blackfoot Valley since the 1880s, Cole holds degrees in biology, philosophy, and theology and worked in wildlife and natural resource conservation.    His unique perspective makes for an interesting conversation. Tune in to hear Cole and Dr. Gustin discuss: What inspired Cole to tackle this challenge How the co-op works and whether it can be replicated International food policies that harm US farmers and ranchers Why it’s impossible to industrialize sustainable food production The “impact” of cattle emissions on climate change How solely plant-based farming devastates ecosystems  Why international meat costs less than domestic Creating the seed oil-free Old Salt Outpost, a burger joint sending out tallow-cooked french fries The Old Salt Festival, Outside magazine’s #2 ranked climate-forward festival   Resources mentioned in this episode: Cole Mannix’s company: Old Salt Co-op  Outside magazine’s article: “9 Best Climate Forward Festivals in 2024“ Wendell Berry’s book: The Unsettling of America: Culture & Agriculture E. F. Schumacher’s book: Small Is Beautiful: Economics as if People Mattered Visit HVMN.com/AG to get 30% off your first subscription order of Ketone-IQTM

Lily Nichols is a Registered Dietitian/Nutritionist, Certified Diabetes Educator, researcher, and author. She discusses how to combine ancestral knowledge and evidence-based prenatal nutrition to support healthy pregnancies with Dr. Anthony Gustin.   Lily’s first bestselling book, Real Food for Gestational Diabetes, dives into why a nutrient-dense, lower-carb approach works for women worried about or managing gestational diabetes.   Her second book, Real Food for Pregnancy, is the most comprehensive text on prenatal nutrition to date — with nearly 1,000 citations that challenge conventional prenatal nutrition guidelines and confirm what our ancestors have known for generations.   Tune into the episode to hear Lily and Dr. Gustin chat about: What inspired Lily to take this path (in a roundabout way) What’s wrong with the current prenatal/postnatal nutrition guidelines Foods women should be adding/avoiding during pregnancy How hormone changes may influence pregnancy cravings (and aversions) The “interpregnancy interval” and how long to wait between kids The best prenatal supplements to help cover nutrient gaps Raw eggs, seafood, saunas, cold plunges, and more!   Resources mentioned in this episode: Lily Nichols’ website: LilyNicholsRDN.com Lily’s books: Real Food for Pregnancy: The Science and Wisdom of Optimal Prenatal Nutrition and Real Food for Gestational Diabetes: An Effective Alternative to the Conventional Nutrition Approach Lily’s Instagram: @LilyNicholsRDN FullWell Prenatal Multivitamins and Seeking Health Prenatal Vitamins (for men and women) Visit HVMN.com/AG to get 30% off your first subscription order of Ketone-IQ™

Dan Miller is the founder and CEO of Steward, a crowdfunding platform for investing in regenerative agriculture projects. He discusses how it all works with Dr. Anthony Gustin.   After Dan pioneered crowdfunding for real estate investing with his company Fundrise, he decided to move into something he was more passionate about: fixing the food system.    Steward empowers everyday investors to vote with their dollar and support regenerative farms beyond simply buying their goods.    Since launching in 2020, they’ve crowdsourced and provided over $30 million in short-term loans to fund more than 90 regenerative projects across the US.   Tune into the episode to hear Dan and Dr. Gustin chat about: How Dan used what he learned scaling Fundrise to launch and grow Steward Why financing is the biggest challenge for regenerative to become the norm and what’s wrong with the current system The surprising new generation entering the regenerative agriculture space  How Steward vets and supports borrowers to drive returns for investors Success stories and community impacts What happens if there’s a default, the average portfolio yield, the minimum investors need to start, and more!   Resources mentioned in this episode: Dan Miller’s company, Steward The Unsettling of America: Culture and Agriculture by Wendell Berry Visit HVMN.com/AG to get 30% off your first subscription order of Ketone-IQ™ 

Andy Schoonover is the Founder and CEO of CrowdHealth, a platform that crowdfunds healthcare costs for its members so they can ditch their health insurance plans.    He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about why this model solves the biggest problems in our broken medical-industrial complex and brings a community-first approach back to healthcare.   Tune in to the episode to hear them discuss: What inspired Andy to start CrowdHealth What’s wrong with the health insurance industry How people rack up million-dollar hospital bills What makes paying doctors in cash at the point of care different How crowdfunded healthcare works How CrowdHealth members dramatically reduce their healthcare expenses What incentivizes members to contribute to others and take better care of their health The demographics of their members and the most common crowdfunding requests How many claims have been denied vs. fully funded   Resources mentioned in this episode: Andy Schoonover’s company, CrowdHealth CrowdHealth on Twitter and Instagram Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity by Peter Attia, MD Visit HVMN.com/AG to get 30% off your first subscription order of Ketone-IQ™ 

Ever wonder what gives you vitality?    Case Bradford, Primal Health Coach, chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about the best habits to elevate your body-mind health and fitness (and which devitalizing habits you should avoid).   Case is an enthusiastic advocate for authentic vitality. He and Dr. Gustin dive into how to make intuitive calls in your health rather than unquestioningly trusting the science behind your everyday motions.   Tune in to the episode to hear their thoughts on: How to define vitality What prevents people from reaching their peak vitality Best habits to practice when you’re feeling physically, mentally, and emotionally drained How to explore your own authentic, holistic vitality The top microtoxins that devitalize us The new rules of essential modern hygiene for better health The benefits of local, biodynamic foods Thoughts about fasting from a ritualistic, meditative perspective The “pure alchemy” of making amazingly nutrient-dense ice cream   Resources mentioned in this episode: Case Bradford’s website  Case’s Peak Earth podcast Case’s Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube channel The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk M.D. Visit HVMN.com/AG to get 30% off your first subscription order of Ketone-IQ™ 

Brett Ender and Harry Gray are hosts of The Meat Mafia Podcast and co-founders of Noble Origins, a nose-to-tail nourishment company.    They chat with Dr. Anthony Gustin about entrepreneurship, spirituality, fixing a broken food system, leading a purpose-driven life, and more.   Tune in to the episode to hear them discuss: The entrepreneurial lessons Dr. Gustin has learned  The dark side of selling a business Finding personal fulfillment vs. chasing monetary success Which supplements inspired Brett and Harry’s line of products Why investing in local communities may be more beneficial than solving problems at scale How regenerative agriculture may be the easiest way to get people back to human wholeness What they each hope to contribute to fix the broken food system The power of supportive local communities  What traditional religion gets wrong and how spirituality manifests in their daily lives   Resources mentioned in this episode: Brett Ender and Harry Gray’s The Meat Mafia Podcast (Apple/Spotify/YouTube) Brett and Harry’s company, Noble Origins

Julie Friend is a regenerative farmer and founder of Wildom Farm. She chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about how she holistically and humanely raises multi-species in a forest and pasture-based system.    Tune in to the episode to hear them discuss: What inspired Julie to leave Chicago (and a job in fashion) to become a farmer What it was like adjusting from urban to rural life Why buying from local farmers eliminates food confusion   How to build an intentional brand around a farm and diversify  The perks of opening a farm store The differences between forest and pasture-raised pork How species-appropriate diets and native foraging affect pigs Achieving nose-to-tail utilization with small processors  The wave of women in the regenerative agriculture space   Resources mentioned in this episode: Julie Friend’s Wildom Farm Wildom Farm’s Instagram

AJ Richards is a fifth-generation rancher and a seasoned expert in agriculture and food supply chain management. He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about why he’s launching the Airbnb of hyperlocal food supply, where farmers and ranchers connect directly with consumers nationwide.   Tune in to the episode to hear them discuss: The biggest issues with our current food supply chain model Why our food chain’s fragility is a national security issue (and which countries control 85% of our meat) What happens if the largest meat supplier in the world goes public Why it’s so important to “shake hands” with your local farmers and ranchers What the new “Agrarian Movement” looks like, the future of regenerative agriculture, and what AJ’s most hopeful about   Resources mentioned in this episode: AJ Richards’s website, Feed The People By The People Feed The People By The People’s private Discord group AJ’s Instagram

Chris Irvin, aka The Ketologist, joins Dr. Anthony Gustin to discuss what’s new in their health journeys and what’s bothering them about the health and wellness community.   Tune in to this episode to hear their thoughts on: Supplements and peptides like Methylene blue and BPC-157  Why obesity is probably not genetic The seed oil debate Studies and influencers that spoon-feed us the wrong information about our health The biggest problems with pharmaceutical companies and get-healthy-quick fixes What’s concerning about US Dietary Guidelines  The magic of farmers’ markets Why Dr. Gustin’s so excited to dive into elk hunting   Resources mentioned in this episode: Chris Irvin’s website, The Ketologist Chris’ Instagram ADx Health genetic testing  

Dr. Casey Means is the Chief Medical Officer and Co-founder of the metabolic health company Levels. She chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about the eight “pillars” of metabolic health and how to reach your peak state.   Metabolic dysfunction is at the root of almost all modern health conditions. Those diseases are responsible for 9/10 of the leading causes of death in the US.   So Dr. Gustin and Dr. Casey kick off their conversation by discussing the two biggest ways society is harming our cells and underpowering our bodies.    Then they explore what it takes to overcome those obstacles, stop being a “product” for corporations to exploit, and take back your health.   Along the way, the pair discuss topics like: The problematic concept of exercise What people don’t understand about prediabetes The truth about triglycerides vs. LDL cholesterol  How to assess your metabolic health (& the most important test to get) Leveraging CGM data as an effective biofeedback tool (it’s more than noticing blood sugar spikes) The best tips to improve your metabolic health, from easy to advanced How to win a free Levels kit!   Resources mentioned in this episode: Dr. Casey Means’ company Levels Dr. Casey’s Instagram and Twitter Dr. Casey’s giveaway: Enter to Win a Free Levels Kit!

Myles Snider is a chef, real food enthusiast, and creator of 80/20 Cooking. He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about the benefits of intuitive cooking and their shared food philosophies.   As you’ll hear, intuitive cooking is the exact opposite of following step-by-step recipes.   It’s about mastering the basics and using all your senses to freestyle healthy, nourishing meals that make the most of local, seasonally available, fresh ingredients.   So in this episode, Myles and Dr. Gustin dish about food shopping tips, biodynamic farming, and why “almost any food can be healthy.” They even brainstorm a few reasons for why you feel hungry and unsatisfied after eating at the best restaurants.    Other topics include: The difference between well-cooked food and a nourishing meal Why stressing about food macros may do more harm than good How your location and season naturally influence your eating preferences  Foods Myles avoids  Using high-quality condiments (like oils, vinegars, and the best ketchup!) to add excitement to simple staple meals  How to transform “unhealthy” foods into nutritious noshes The magic and science of open-fire cooking (and why it’s the best cooking skill)   Resources mentioned in this episode: Myles Snider’s 80/20 Cooking courses Myles’ Twitter and Instagram

Cliff Pollard is the CEO and founder of Cream Co. Meats, which distributes, markets, and directly invests in over 20 small producers and sustainable, regenerative, family-owned farms.   He chats with Dr. Anthony Gustin about what it takes to even the playing field between mainstream and farm-direct distribution.   Many of us don’t like to think about what happens to an animal after it leaves a farm and before it winds up on our plates. But as Cliff explains, this middle step is a huge challenge for small, regenerative producers across the country.   They discuss how this “missing middle” infrastructure for farmers to get their products to the consumer has changed over time and how Cliff’s team is working to fix our broken system.   You’ll also hear about Cream Co.’s exciting Beef-to-Institution program that’s bringing grass-fed and finished meat from regenerative farms to 30 public schools in California.   Other topics in this episode include: How many steps in the supply chain it takes to go from farm to fork What happens when animals go from the pasture to commodity processing The difficulties small/medium farmers and ranchers face getting to market (and Dr. Gustin’s own first-hand experience) The “spectrum of sustainability” when comparing sustainable vs. regenerative producers  Mobile meat processing units Whether small farms should invest in an online store with direct-to-consumer shipping How you can support small, local regenerative producers   Resource mentioned in this episode: Cliff Pollard’s Cream Co. Meats website

What are the best times to wake up, eat, work out, focus, and sleep according to circadian biology? There’s an app for that!   Bastian Groiss is the director & co-founder of Circadian, an app that helps you achieve a more natural state of health by aligning your daily activities and location with circadian biological timing.   Dr. Anthony Gustin chats with Bastian about his ongoing curiosity with circadian biology. They discuss how different sunlight stages impact everything from our energy levels, moods, and mental performance to modern-day diseases and our overall well-being.   In this episode, you’ll hear about: The evolutionary relationship humans have with sunlight Why it’s almost scientifically impossible to be healthy or happy spending 99% of your day indoors How indoor light (natural vs. artificial) and outdoor light (UVA vs. UVB) affect our bodies Why phasing out incandescent light bulbs may be a mistake The circadian biology way to start your mornings with more energy (sans caffeine)  What an “overdose” of blue light may cause The four circadian cues that optimize our bodies for health and wellness Getting over the comfort crisis   Resources mentioned in this episode: The Circadian App Primal Body, Primal Mind by Nora T. Gedgaudas “Cold Thermogenesis 6: The Ancient Pathway” by Dr. Jack Kruse The Comfort Crisis: Embrace Discomfort To Reclaim Your Wild, Happy, Healthy Self by Michael Easter Visit HVMN.com/AG to get 30% off your first subscription order of Ketone-IQ™