The New CISO

In this episode of The New CISO (Episode 137), host Steve Moore speaks with Gideon Knocke, CISO at Visage Imaging, about rethinking how we grow in our careers and why learning to “think outside the job” is key to long-term success.From studying cybersecurity when the field was still new to leading security for millions of patient records in healthcare, Gideon shares how his early curiosity and “career accidents” helped shape his mindset as a modern CISO. He reflects on shifting from technical problem-solving to people-centric leadership, learning how visibility and credibility shape opportunity, and why networking—inside and outside your company—is essential for resilience and growth. Gideon also explains why risk quantification isn’t just about numbers, but about decision-making, communication, and understanding what your organization truly values.Key Topics Covered:Early lessons from studying cybersecurity before it went mainstreamWhy some of the best careers evolve through “happy accidents” and curiosityHow to build visibility and relevance beyond doing good workThe difference between being seen as an asset versus a personHow networking and outreach can transform your mindset and open new doorsTurning fear of public speaking into confidence through preparation and iterationThe leadership balance between taking accountability and fostering team candorWhy large-organization politics can hinder honest communicationThe art of quantifying risk for better decision-making, not just reportingWhy the new CISO must start with company beliefs and build security on shared valuesGideon’s journey reveals that career success often comes from stepping outside your comfort zone—whether that’s reaching out to 100 strangers on LinkedIn, giving your first talk, or reframing how you communicate risk. His insights remind leaders that growth begins when you stop thinking only about your job and start thinking about your impact.

In this episode of The New CISO (Episode 136), host Steve Moore speaks with Carl Cahill, CISO, about a deliberate, methodical approach to career growth—and why every leader must “pick their pain” to progress.From combat arms in the U.S. Army to Active Directory engineering and large-enterprise incident response, Carl shares the pivotal choices that shaped his leadership. He opens up about moving from certifications to business fluency, using a personal gap analysis to chart his path to the C-suite, and how feedback like being called a “propeller head” pushed him to translate geek speak into the language of finance, law, and strategy. Carl also explains his five-phase 100-day plan, why IR readiness comes first, and how “radical collaboration” defines the modern CISO.Key Topics Covered:Early career pivots: Army leadership, perseverance, and precision → IT foundationsCertifications as a fast track (then) vs. blended learning and passion projects (now)The “pick your pain” decision: staying comfortable vs. returning to school to advanceBuilding a CISO gap analysis from job reqs and targeting stretch assignmentsUpgrading the lexicon: finance, legal, and general management (e.g., Wharton GMP)Turning tough feedback into growth: from geek speak to boardroom dialogueConsulting variety vs. ownership: when to switch for long-term impactThe 100-day plan: assess → plan → act → measure → adjust (with IR first)Stakeholder mapping, team SWOTs, and making strategy stick beyond 90 daysMetrics as a “health language” and why today’s CISO must be a radical collaboratorCarl’s story shows how intentional trade-offs—education, language, and leadership style—compound into career momentum. His roadmap helps CISOs and aspiring leaders navigate transitions with discipline, communicate across the business, and build resilient teams that lead with clarity.

Most security professionals know what a CISO does. But what about a BISO? And why are Fortune 500 companies increasingly creating this executive role?In this episode of The New CISO Podcast, host Steve Moore sits down with Evan Ferree, Staff Vice President and Business Information Security Officer at a Fortune 50 company, to decode one of cybersecurity's most misunderstood leadership positions.What You'll Learn:Understanding the BISO Role:What a Business Information Security Officer actually does (and how it differs from a Deputy CISO)When organizations need a BISO - the size, industry, and complexity indicatorsWhy the BISO serves as a "force multiplier" for the security organizationHow to measure and defend BISO value during organizational changeThe Career Journey:Evan's unconventional path from IT infrastructure to executive security leadershipHow a major cybersecurity breach became his "MBA in cybersecurity" in six monthsWhy volunteering for uncomfortable work during crisis creates career opportunitiesThe progression from vulnerability analyst to SOC leadership to Staff VPThe 90% Influence Principle:Why the BISO role is about influence, not authorityHow to navigate multiple business units with different security needsMastering the "why" behind security initiatives for non-technical audiencesBuilding relationships and organizational awareness over timeExecutive Skills That Matter:The "log lines" storytelling framework from Deloitte CISO AcademyDeveloping executive presence through failure and self-awarenessWhen to end a meeting and start over (and why that's okay)Speaking plain English vs. technical jargon with business leadersPractical Career Advice:Transitioning from tactical security operations to strategic leadership rolesWhy getting uncomfortable is essential for growthBuilding business acumen alongside technical expertiseWhy Evan's best security hires came from outside cybersecurityKey Insight: "You are 90% an influencer in this role. Unlike tactical security work where authority and urgency create credibility, the BISO must master explaining why security matters to the business - in terms the business understands."Whether you're a security professional planning your path to executive leadership, a CISO considering adding a BISO function, or a business leader trying to understand how security enables business outcomes, this episode delivers actionable insights from someone who's lived the journey.Guest: Evan Ferree, Staff Vice President & Business Information Security Officer at a Fortune 50 company, with 11 years of progressive security leadership experience spanning Security Operations, threat management, vulnerability management, and business information security.Hosted by: Steve Moore | Produced in partnership with: Exabeam

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Dr. Timo Wandhöfer, Group CISO and Head of Information Security & Business Continuity Management at Klöckner & Co, about the evolving responsibilities of modern CISOs and why influencing—not just convincing—stakeholders is essential for success.From his early career as a researcher in computer science to leading global security and resiliency efforts in the steel industry, Timo shares how critical thinking, skepticism, and cross-functional collaboration shaped his leadership style. He reflects on the dangers of overconfidence in detection, the risks of over-relying on tools, and the lessons learned from merging information security with business continuity. Timo also explores how AI can both accelerate remediation and introduce new risks, and why resilience planning and transparent communication are at the core of effective leadership.Key Topics Covered:The evolving role of the CISO: from protection to resilience and adaptabilityHow research skills translate into critical thinking and cross-functional collaborationWhy overconfidence and lack of visibility remain major pitfalls in security programsThe importance of transparency, maturity, and asset inventory for strong defensesResiliency planning: ransomware recovery, crisis management, and operating modelsInsider threat investigations and the role of HR, Legal, and IT in responseThe shift from convincing to influencing stakeholders through dialogueThe promise and risks of AI and automation in remediation and decision-makingWhy today’s CISO must be a communicator, storyteller, and business leaderTimo’s journey highlights how resilience, adaptability, and influence define the “new CISO.” His insights provide a roadmap for leaders who want to strengthen security programs, build trust with stakeholders, and guide their organizations with both technical and business acumen.

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Steve Lodin, VP of Information Security at Sallie Mae, about the career challenges that shaped his leadership style and the lessons he’s learned across decades in cybersecurity.From breaking into his high school to experiment with Apple II computers to leading global security teams in Europe, Steve shares the pivotal experiences that defined his career. He opens up about career missteps, the importance of asking the right questions before accepting a new role, and how succession planning and crisis preparation are critical for every security leader. Steve also reflects on how medical emergencies, breach response, and shifting industries—from automotive to healthcare to financial services—taught him resilience, adaptability, and perspective.Key Topics Covered:Early career pivots, from engineering to cybersecurity leadershipLessons learned from career missteps and short-lived rolesThe five factors Steve now evaluates before taking a new jobSuccession planning and preparing teams to lead during emergenciesWhy tabletop exercises and exposure to executives matter for resilienceManaging stress, staying calm, and keeping perspective in high-pressure rolesThe long-tail business impact of breaches beyond immediate costsWhy financial services foster collaboration and innovation in securityThe importance of mentoring and introducing students to cybersecurity careersSteve’s story reveals why the most valuable lessons often come from challenges, not successes. His insights provide a roadmap for CISOs and aspiring leaders who want to navigate setbacks, lead with composure, and build stronger teams for the future.

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Marius Poskus, Chief Information Security Officer at Glow Financial Services and creator of the Cyber Diaries podcast. Marius shares his journey from physical security into cybersecurity leadership—and how he did it without relying on traditional certifications.Marius reflects on how self-directed learning, mentorship, and a strong personal brand helped him pivot careers and thrive in the FinTech space. He explains why the security industry needs to stop glorifying certifications, how to break in through SOC roles, and what truly makes a candidate stand out in interviews. From coaching new talent to advising startups on go-to-market strategies, Marius emphasizes that attitude and aptitude matter far more than credentials.Key Topics Covered:Why Marius walked away from a career in physical security—and how that experience shaped his cyber pathThe critical difference between certification collecting and real-world skill developmentWhy most entry-level cybersecurity roles are in SOCs—and how to leverage thatHow sharing your learning journey online builds credibility and unlocks job opportunitiesThe two A’s that matter most when hiring: attitude and aptitudeCommon mistakes startups make when targeting CISOs and building security toolsThe growing risks of “AI-washing” and what real AI innovation should look likeWhy mentorship only works when mentees are willing to put in the workHow to shift from security awareness “stick” tactics to culture-based collaborationWhat it means to build a personal brand that outlasts your job titleMarius’ story proves that cybersecurity success doesn’t come from certificates—it comes from curiosity, consistency, and community. Whether you’re just starting your career or leading a security team, this episode will inspire you to focus on what really moves the needle.Marius Poskus Podcast - Cyber Diaries Podcast

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Aleksandar Radosavljevic, Global CISO at Global Fashion Group, about building trust, measuring resilience, and the evolving role of the security leader.Aleksandar shares how his unexpected pivot from electrical engineering to cybersecurity sparked a passion for protecting systems and solving problems. With over two decades of experience across pharma, manufacturing, and tech, he offers insights into how security leaders can establish trust, drive business value, and focus on what really matters.The conversation covers the art of starting strong in a new CISO role, navigating interviews with curiosity and care, and avoiding common traps like overcomplicating metrics or chasing the latest tools without mastering the basics.Key Topics Covered:Why pharma’s mission-driven work made a lasting impact on AleksandarCareer advice for cybersecurity newcomers: follow learning, not just industryHow CISOs can build early trust by listening and understanding the businessRed flags and green lights during the CISO interview processWhy being challenged in an interview signals a healthy security cultureThe problem with vanity metrics—and what to track insteadAleksandar’s favorite KPIs: time to detect, respond, and contain incidentsThe role of situational awareness in building cyber resilienceHow simplifying language helps CISOs align with executive teamsWhy mandate and mindset matter more than reporting linesAleksandar’s story is a reminder that cybersecurity leadership is about more than tools and tactics—it’s about trust, transparency, and transforming security from a blocker into a true business enabler.

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Keith Price, Chief Security Officer at National Highways, about the evolving responsibilities of modern security leaders and the critical role of convergence between cyber, physical, and people security.Keith shares real-world stories from his work protecting England’s strategic road network—used by over four million people daily—and explains why understanding both legacy infrastructure and cutting-edge technology is essential for building a resilient security strategy. From managing insider threats and recovering stolen radar equipment to championing mental health and developing junior talent, Keith offers a holistic approach to leadership in critical infrastructure.Key Topics Covered:How converging physical, cyber, and personnel security leads to stronger protectionReal-life insider threat examples—and how sensors helped prevent major damageThe challenge of managing decades-old asset tracking systems across regionsWhy availability and integrity of data now outweigh confidentiality in certain sectorsHow Keith’s team detected stolen highway radar for sale on eBayThe importance of empathetic leadership and supporting mental health in security teamsHow "Cyber Coffee" sessions create safe spaces for vulnerability and connectionUpskilling IT staff into cybersecurity roles through “pay-it-forward” learningThe case for offering security-as-a-service to small but critical supply chain partnersKeith’s insights reveal why successful security leadership requires more than just technical knowledge—it demands communication, humility, and a deep understanding of human behavior. This conversation is a must-listen for any security professional working to bridge silos and lead with impact.

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Ben, Director of Group Security and Architecture at Bilfinger, about the role of self-awareness, confidence, and communication in effective cybersecurity leadership.Ben shares his unconventional path to becoming a CISO, how he applies the “done is better than perfect” philosophy, and why embracing vulnerability, curiosity, and creativity is key to building strong teams. From baking sourdough to producing his own podcast, Ben highlights how personal passions can shape professional growth.Key Topics Covered:Why done is better than perfect can be a strength—not a flaw—in cybersecurityThe surprising connection between baking sourdough and fostering security cultureHow Ben’s podcast, Infosec Theater, educates non-technical audiences using humor and storytellingThe creative interview question he uses to gauge mindset: “If cybersecurity were an animal, what would it be?”Why hiring for attitude and resilience beats hiring for experience aloneHow podcasting sharpened his ability to listen, simplify, and leadBen also emphasizes the importance of recognizing your own strengths and surrounding yourself with people who balance them out. His perspective offers actionable takeaways for CISOs and security professionals seeking to grow into thoughtful, human-centered leaders.🔗 Listen to Ben’s podcast, Infosec Theater: https://www.infosec.theater/

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore talks with Nithin Reddy, Global VP of Cybersecurity at Dayforce, about how his dual roles in cybersecurity leadership and education shape his approach to building stronger, smarter teams.Nithin reveals how teaching cybersecurity not only amplifies his impact but also sharpens his communication and leadership skills. From protecting millions of users’ data to mentoring students and influencing curriculum design, he shares why simplifying complex ideas is the key to inspiring both executives and future security professionals.The conversation explores:The link between teaching and leadership growthHow to manage stress in high-stakes security operations—and tell the difference between “good” and “bad” stressDayforce’s in-house employee risk scoring model and the power of just-in-time access controlsThe impact of generative AI on phishing threats and how awareness training must evolveA real-life story of using a fake $200 gift card to teach conference-goers a lesson on social engineeringWhether you’re leading a SOC or standing at the front of a classroom, this episode is a masterclass in turning knowledge into influence—and purpose into performance.

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Rich Durost, Chief Information Security Officer at Froedtert ThedaCare Health, about his journey from West Point cadet to cybersecurity leader—and what slicing cake has to do with building effective security programs.Drawing from 23 years in the military and over 15 years in cybersecurity, Rich shares how discipline, preparation, and teamwork—skills first sharpened during plebe year dessert duty—translate directly into the responsibilities of a CISO. He reflects on the shift from tactical to strategic thinking, the value of mentoring deputies, and why authentic leadership and relationship-building are vital in today’s remote work environment.Rich also explores the unique challenges of healthcare cybersecurity, the importance of aligning with clinical goals, and how CISOs can move from being the "department of no" to strategic business enablers by simply asking “how” instead of “no.”Whether you're a rising security professional or a seasoned executive, you’ll gain practical leadership takeaways—and maybe a new appreciation for cake.

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore sits down with Michael Mendelsohn, CISO at Majesco, to discuss his journey in cybersecurity—from his early days as a software developer to leading security for a major insurance software company.Michael shares insights into the evolving role of a CISO, the intersection of security and technology, and how curiosity and problem-solving have shaped his career. He dives into his experience building Arcus, an early security tool designed for software inventory and patch management, and how grassroots security engineering played a pivotal role in his professional growth.Other key topics include:✅ The changing landscape of cybersecurity leadership✅ The balance between open-source tools and enterprise security solutions✅ AI’s impact on security automation and risk management✅ How security leaders can work effectively with legal teams✅ The importance of curiosity, adaptability, and mentorship in a security careerWhether you're a seasoned security professional or an aspiring CISO, this episode offers valuable insights into the challenges and opportunities of leading security in today’s rapidly evolving digital landscape.🔗 Listen now and learn how to navigate the complexities of cybersecurity leadership with a strategic and technical mindset!#Cybersecurity #CISO #Leadership #SecurityEngineering #AI #CyberThreats #RiskManagement #DataSecurity #TechLeadership

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore sits down with Yannick Herrebaut, Cyber Resilience Manager at the Port of Antwerp-Bruges, to explore his unconventional journey from intern to security leader. Yannick shares how his early passion for technology, sparked by gaming and building his own PCs, laid the foundation for his career in cybersecurity.They discuss the importance of strong internship programs, the transition from network engineering to security leadership, and the key lessons learned when stepping into a CISO role for the first time. Yannick also reflects on the challenges of building a security program from scratch and the critical skills needed to lead a growing security team.Key topics include:How internships can shape future cybersecurity leadersThe transition from network engineering to security leadershipThe importance of business alignment in cybersecurityLessons learned in managing a growing security teamAdvice for aspiring CISOs on stepping into leadership roles00:00 - Introduction & Meet Yannick Herrebaut02:30 - From Gaming to Cybersecurity: A Passion for Technology06:30 - Internship at the Port of Antwerp: A Career Launchpad10:00 - The Value of Cybersecurity Internships & Mentorship17:00 - From Network Admin to CISO: A Big Career Leap27:00 - Building a Security Program from Scratch35:00 - Lessons in Leadership & Team Growth45:30 - What It Means to Be a New CISOLinks: LinkedIn

In this insightful episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore reconnects with Azzam Zahir to explore his career evolution, from cybersecurity leadership to his recent role as a vertical CIO at General Motors. Azzam shares candid reflections on his conscious decision to leave his 12-year tenure, embracing change, and navigating personal growth in leadership roles.Dive into Azzam’s inspiring journey as he discusses:Overcoming Career Burnout: How to recognize signs of exhaustion and take proactive steps toward rejuvenation.Navigating Career Pivots: The importance of calculated risks and stepping beyond the traditional boundaries of cybersecurity.Building Trust Through Relationships: Insights on fostering trust and credibility within organizations to facilitate career growth.Maintaining Mental Health: Practical tips on incorporating wellness into demanding careers, from mental health check-ins to daily habits for balance.The Gartner Hype Cycle of Careers: Azzam's unique perspective on managing career highs and lows and knowing when to make a change.This episode is a must-listen for IT and security professionals considering career transitions, aspiring leaders seeking inspiration, or anyone looking to balance professional growth with personal well-being. Tune in to gain actionable advice and deep reflections from a leader who’s successfully embraced transformation.0:00 Introduction and Guest Overview1:43 Announcing a Career Change5:54 Transitioning from Cybersecurity to CIO13:03 The Emotional Impact of Cybersecurity Careers22:36 Prioritizing Health and Wellness30:10 The Power of Non-Traditional Thinking35:34 The Gartner Hype Cycle of Careers41:55 Advice for Career TransitionsLinks: LinkedIn

In this insightful episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore sits down with Sanju Misra, Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) at Alnylam Pharmaceuticals, to explore the pivotal moments that have shaped her impressive career in cybersecurity leadership. Sanju shares her strategies for navigating career transitions, the importance of aligning with a company’s mission, and how to identify the right time to move on from a role.Listeners will gain valuable insights into:How Sanju built her career by embracing challenging projects and maintaining authentic professional relationships.The decision-making processes behind her moves from GE to Praxair, and eventually to Alnylam Pharmaceuticals.The evolution of her leadership style from a technical expert to a business risk executive.Why aligning with a company’s culture and mission is crucial for long-term success.Tips for aspiring CISOs on taking initiative, growing their networks, and articulating risk in business terms.Sanju’s reflections on imposter syndrome, professional growth, and the rewards of working in a patient-focused organization offer both inspiration and practical advice for leaders at every stage of their careers. Tune in to hear her story and discover actionable strategies for thriving as a modern CISO.0:00 - Introduction and Show Overview1:10 - Sanju Misra’s Career Path: From GE to Praxair4:00 - Building Security Programs and Leadership Growth6:30 - Navigating Mergers and the Role of Culture10:00 - Transitioning from Technologist to Business Risk Leader15:50 - Career Advice for Aspiring CISOs22:00 - Key Takeaways: Communication and Leadership EvolutionLinks: LinkedIn

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore is joined by Sanju Misra, CISO and IT Risk Leader at Alnylam Pharmaceuticals. Sanju shares her journey from a college side hustle on a typewriter to becoming a security leader in the pharmaceutical industry. Along the way, she reflects on the importance of taking risks, embracing roles outside of your comfort zone, and the power of transferable skills.Listen to Steve and Sanju discuss career transitions, building diverse teams, and why not checking every box on a job description might be the best career move:00:00 - Meet Sanju06:15 - The Start of a Tech Journey18:30 - Taking the Leap27:00 - Advice for Job Seekers39:45 - Hiring from Within51:15 - Networking and Career GrowthLinks: LinkedIn

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore welcomes Ryan Shaw, Director of Information Security at Bond Brand Loyalty. Ryan shares his unique journey from working in kitchens and warehousing to becoming a leader in cybersecurity. He reflects on the importance of career change, battling imposter syndrome, and the challenges candidates face in a tough job market where companies often hunt for "unicorn" candidates.Listen to Steve and Ryan discuss the transition into IT security, why hiring practices need to evolve, and the importance of mentorship for both personal and professional growth:00:00 - Ryan Shaw’s Journey: From Warehousing to InfoSec Leadership03:00 - Career Pivot: Entering Technology06:00 - Overcoming Imposter Syndrome in IT09:00 - The Importance of Mentorship and Support13:00 - Navigating the Challenges of Job Hunting17:00 - Advice for Better Hiring Practices in Security20:00 - Building Visibility and Breaking Into InfoSec24:00 - What It Means to Be a Security LeaderLinks: LinkedIn

Summary:In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore speaks with Nicola Sotira, Head of CERT at Poste Italiane, about his journey from technical expert to business leader, all while following his dreams. Nicola shares the importance of mentorship, the value of building strong teams, and how he applied a Viking mentality to overcome challenges in his career. Listen in as Nicola reflects on leaving a prestigious role in Italy to embrace new opportunities abroad and what aspiring leaders can learn from his story. Whether you're thinking about making a career change or simply looking for advice on leadership, Nicola’s insights will inspire you to take action and move toward your dreams.Listen to Steve and Nicola discuss:00:00 -Nicola Sotira's Career Journey and Mentorship03:37 - Balancing Business and Technical Roles06:40 - Adapting to Technological Disruption08:47 - Taking Risks: Moving to Sweden at Age 4015:12 - Leadership Lessons from Peter: The Viking Mentality18:17 - Hiring and Building a Strong IT Security Team23:23 - Making Work Fun and Following Your Passion28:52 - Advice for Aspiring CISOs: Follow Your DreamsLinks: LinkedIn

Episode Summary: In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore is joined by Nicola Sotira, head of CERT at Poste Italiane. Nicola shares his journey from working on cryptographic devices in the pre-internet era to leading security teams today. His early work with assembly language, hardware security, and cryptanalysis offered unique challenges, but it also taught him the value of persistence, creativity, and mentorship. Steve and Nicola discuss the evolving role of hardware in cybersecurity and the importance of securing the supply chain. Listen in to hear about the lessons Nicola learned from breaking hardware before it was sold and how they continue to inform his approach to security today.Listen to Steve and Nicola discuss the importance of hardware security, debugging code, and supply chain risks:00:00 - Nicola Sotira: Career in Cryptography04:46 - The Realities of Debugging Without Modern Tools07:58 - Key Lessons from Early Hardware Security Work12:43 - The Importance of Hardware in Cybersecurity16:26 - Supply Chain Security Risks and Real-World Examples23:00 - Criminal Collaboration and Emerging Cyber ThreatsLinks: LinkedIn

In this episode of The New CISO, host Steve Moore sits down with Larry Pfeifer, CEO and President of Metrics That Matter, for a deep dive into the evolving role of the CISO and the increasing importance of cybersecurity insurance. Larry offers valuable insights drawn from his unconventional career in cybersecurity, sharing advice for CISOs and entrepreneurs alike. From the need for CISOs to shift from awareness providers to business decision-makers, to the surprising connection between cybersecurity and insurance, this episode is packed with thought-provoking discussions.Listen to Steve and Larry explore the intersection of risk, metrics, and cybersecurity decision-making, and how customer service strategies from the Ritz-Carlton are being applied to improve client relations in cybersecurity.00:00 - Introduction: Board Level Metrics in Cybersecurity01:02 - Larry Pfeifer's Journey in Cybersecurity01:56 - Cybersecurity’s Future: Insurance and Risk03:56 - The Challenges of Cybersecurity Insurance08:04 - Key Lessons for CISOs and Risk Management12:00 - Client Management Post-Breach17:30 - Optimizing Cybersecurity Investments21:05 - Entrepreneurship: Realities and AdviceLinks:Larry Pfeifer on LinkedIn