The Other Human in the Room

A podcast for physicans and other helping professions. Exploring how reconnecting to ourselves as human beings allows us to reclaim our love and satisfaction with medical practice and serve our patients in sustainable and enjoyable ways.

FROM THE VAULT: 39. Illness Anxiety

The Other Human in the Room is on hiatus!  For the next 3 months, you’ll still be getting weekly episodes on your podcast feeds - but they’ll all be re-releases of past favourites.  I’m using this time to dream and explore new ideas and directions for the podcast.  See you in March!Anyone who works in healthcare encounters illness anxiety on a daily (if not hourly) basis. Anxiety about getting sick is a driving factor behind so much healthcare utilization, and can be draining for healthcare clinicians as well. Joan explores the most important thing to do when encountering illness anxiety in your patients: addressing the illness anxiety that exists in YOUR brain.Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

12-28
46:18

FROM THE VAULT: 37. What to Do When You Make a Mistake

The Other Human in the Room is on hiatus!  For the next 3 months, you’ll still be getting weekly episodes on your podcast feeds - but they’ll all be re-releases of past favourites.  I’m using this time to dream and explore new ideas and directions for the podcast.  See you in March!The thing that your brain loves to worry about all day has happened - you made a mistake. In medicine!! Joan shares how to actually learn from these mistakes instead of drowning in shame spirals.Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

12-21
24:58

FROM THE VAULT: 26. Medical Expert Pressure

The Other Human in the Room is on hiatus!  For the next 3 months, you’ll still be getting weekly episodes on your podcast feeds - but they’ll all be re-releases of past favourites.  I’m using this time to dream and explore new ideas and directions for the podcast.  See you in March!Do you feel pressure to be the "medical expert" in your work? Do you constantly feel like you don't know enough, or shame yourself for not having the Right Answer?  I hope this podcast helps undo this inhuman story for you.Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

12-14
30:31

202. How to Stop Hiding Your Magic with Dr Carlos Yu

In this episode, I sit down with Dr Carlos Yu, a self-described “odd” family doctor who has spent 35+ years quietly rewriting what it means to practice medicine as his full, weird, magical self. We talk about cold plunges in Lake Ontario, drum circles, ear acupuncture groups, and the deep privilege of witnessing patients when they’re open and vulnerable. Carlos shares how he moved from judging by appearances to practicing radical curiosity, sensory awareness, and presence in every encounter. Together, we explore how coming home to your body and the present moment can be a path back to your own weird, beautiful humanity in medicine.Connect with Carlos: Website: https://presencetherapy.ca/https://nadacanadainstitute.com/IG: https://www.instagram.com/joywithdryu/Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

12-07
55:50

201. Share the Load, Save the System with Dr. Joyce Cheung & Angelique Bernabe

I’m joined by Dr Joyce Cheung (family/palliative MD) and Ange Bernabe (PhD, economist) to talk about Locvm—an Ontario-born, physician-designed platform making it easier to find and be a locum.We dig into why sharing the load is system-saving: clear contracts, payment flow, accountability, and a real pool that supports parental leave, illness, sabbaticals, and rural coverage.We also talk about their life and business partnership as a married power couple, and what lessons they’ve learned about collaboration in that process.If we want a more humane system, we need tools and norms that let doctors step away without compromising care - it was a joy to connect with these two healthcare humans who are bringing that vision to life!Connect with Locvm:https://www.locvm.ca/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/locvm/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/locvmcanada/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/LOCVM/61569373256521/Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

11-30
01:10:23

200. The Power of Pause

In this solo episode, I name the yellow flags that told me I’d crept past capacity—and why my body’s honest answer was to pause. I walk through the dopamine of rushing, the resentment that follows, and the relief I felt when I imagined three months without weekly production. I share what this means for the show, and how pausing creates space for deeper thinking and play. Consider this an invitation to practice open-palm commitments and feel the power of pause in your own life.Taylor Swift Song sorter (start at your own risk!!!): https://jesseepinkman.tumblr.com/tswiftsongLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

11-23
01:05:07

199. Right to Accommodation with Dr Michael Quon

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Michael Quon, a general internist and disability-inclusion advocate, to talk candidly about returning to work with disability and the real-world mechanics of getting accommodations as a physician.Michael shares his origin story, a life-altering brain injury, and the long road back—plus what he’s learned about legal protections, policy gaps, and culture change in medicine.We explore why flexible scheduling and shared duty to accommodate matter ethically, legally, and for patient care—and how physicians with disabilities strengthen teams.If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re “allowed” to ask for what you need, this one’s for you.Connect with Michael:www.linkedin.com/in/MichaelJQuonLinks from Michael: Physician Health Inclusion - Community or Practice for Physicians with Disabilities and Chronic Conditionshttps://www.linkedin.com/groups/15696022/OMA - workplace accommodations: https://www.oma.org/practice-professional-support/running-your-practice/operations-and-practice-management/human-resources-management/workplace-accommodations-for-doctors-with-disability-and-chronic-illness/The Ottawa Hospital Disability Position statement https://cjpl.ca/fostincl.htmlThe Ottawa Hospital Accommodations Policyhttps://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/fulltext/2025/07000/implementation_of_a_policy_for_accommodations_for.10.aspxLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

11-16
01:02:21

198. The Hidden Costs of Altruism with Dr Dimitrios Tsatiris

In this episode, I sit down with psychiatrist and physician-wellness advocate Dr. Dimitrios Tsatiris to unpack why the traits medicine rewards—achievement, perfectionism, and altruism—can quietly fuel suffering. We talk about diminishing returns, moral injury, and the difference between excellence and perfection. We explore practical ways to honor limits, take real vacations, and build cultures of collaboration instead of martyrdom. If you’ve ever felt “too needed to rest,” this conversation is for you.Connect with Dimitrios: Website: https://dimitriostsatiris.com/IG: https://www.instagram.com/drdimitriosLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

11-09
59:52

197. It Doesn't Have to Be This Way with Drs. Risa Adams, Elizabeth Parsons, Robin Beardsley

In this conversation, I sit down with three physician–psychotherapists—Dr. Elizabeth Parsons, Dr. Risa Adams, and Dr. Robin Beardsley—co-authors of a book that asks us to consider: It Doesn’t Have To Be This Way.We explore Internal Family Systems (IFS), self-energy, and the “U-turn” as practical tools for reclaiming agency, setting boundaries, and softening people-pleasing.They share how collaboration at the speed of trust helped them write together, and why “all parts are welcome, not all behaviors.”If you’ve ever felt swallowed by shoulds, this one offers micro-practices of compassion, choice, and connection.Connect with Risa: https://www.risaadamsmd.com/ Connect with Elizabeth: https://www.eparsonsmd.ca/ Connect with Robin: https://yourcompassionateself.ca/Buy their book: https://www.amazon.ca/Doesnt-Have-This-Way-Physicians/dp/B0FMQ4KZ9WLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

11-02
45:15

196. Weaving All of Your Sparks into Your Medical Career with Dr Katherine Raffensperger

This week I sit down with Dr. Katherine Raffensperger, a psychiatry resident with an MD/MBA who sees medicine and business as parallel, interwoven paths.We get into how policy has reshaped mental health care, why leadership and communication should be explicitly taught in training, and what price transparency might mean for real people.Katherine shares how entrepreneurship and interdisciplinary learning made her a better clinician, plus the practices that keep her grounded through intern year.If you’ve got a spark outside “the box,” this episode is your permission slip to weave it in.Connect with Katherine:https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherine-raffensperger/TikTok: @raffmdmbaInstagram: @raffmdmbaLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

10-26
01:06:10

195. From Overwhelm to Efficiency with Dr. Adam Stewart

I sit down with Dr. Adam Stewart—rural Ontario family doc and self-described efficiency nerd—to swap real-world systems for making primary care saner. We dig into EMR hacks, delegation to people and tech, AI scribes, block fees, and the “reset the clock” approach to slashing prescription-renewal chaos. Adam walks through protected time, inbox-zero habits, and why tiny upstream tweaks compound into hours saved. We also peek at how Ontario’s FHO+ might change behavior—and how to optimize without losing our souls (or evenings). Connect with Dr Adam Stewart: https://stewartmedicine.com/Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

10-19
01:06:08

194. Being a Good Team Player

“Good team player” is often code for “do more, say yes, don’t rock the boat.” In this solo episode, I reframe teamwork entirely: the best teammate is rested, resourced, grounded—and only plays games worth winning. I unpack collaboration vs compliance, share a real-life specialist request I partly declined (kindly!), and offer language, mindsets, and boundaries you can use tomorrow.Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

10-12
48:36

193. The Case for Scheduling Nothing with Dr. Duncan Rozario

In this episode, I sit down with general surgeon, startup advisor, and all-around “human in many hats,” Dr. Duncan Rozario, to talk about purpose, product–market fit in medicine, and why scheduling nothing might be the most sustainable strategy of all. We dig into happiness “proxies” (status, money, likes) vs. the real drivers of meaning, and a humility practice summed up in four words: Could I be wrong? Duncan shares how expanding teams can shorten waitlists while protecting physician wellbeing, and how diversified creative work keeps us curious, generous, and human.Connect with Duncan: https://www.duncanrozario.com/Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

10-05
01:06:56

192. Living Your Childhood Dreams with Dr. Ryan Montoya

In this episode of The Other Human in the Room, I meet Dr. Ryan Montoya—family physician, graphic novelist, and luggage design consultant—joining us from his current post in Russia. Ryan shares how life as a U.S. diplomat’s spouse has taken him around the world, and how embracing planned transitions has actually buffered him from burnout. Ryan also lets us into his creative world: including creating his own graphic novel and, yes, the story of how he cold-pitched a bespoke artist’s trunk to Goyard and ended up consulting on halo pieces in Paris. This episode is an invitation to dust off your Grade 3 dream and take one next step toward it, whether that’s inside or outside medicine.Find Ryan: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/ryan_montoya_arthttps://bcphr.org/dr-ryan-montoya/Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

09-28
01:10:19

191. Enjoy Your Difficulties—Lessons from Nashville

When a much-anticipated Nashville trip collided with a looming airline strike, zero sleep, and a nasty URTI, I leaned on a practice that’s changed my life: enjoying my difficulties. In this solo debrief, I walk through two core buckets—changing my relationship to hard things and building my capacity for joy. From buying a backup flight to taking porch-ukulele breaks mid-summit, this is a practical, honest guide to finding delight when plans go sideways. Learn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

09-21
53:50

190. Give Yourself Permission with Dr. Anne Aspler

In this conversation, I sit down with Dr. Anne Aspler to explore what it really takes to give yourself permission to create, to heal, and to exist as more than just a doctor. We talk about growing up in fundamentalist religion, finding parallels between dogma in faith and medicine, and the courage it takes to step outside of rigid systems. Anne shares her journey of deconversion, her advocacy for survivors of “private violence,” and how creativity—whether singing, writing, or simply giving yourself space—can be a lifeline. This is an episode about reclaiming humanity, breaking free from productivity dogma, and allowing yourself to do what lights you up.Connect with Anne: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/dr.anneasplerWebsite: https://www.anneaspler.com/LAST CHANCE to book a call with me to register for Creating Space before we begin in October: http://joanchanmd.com/spaceLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

09-14
01:05:49

189. Two Row Medicine with Dr. Karenna'onwe Karen Hill

In this episode of The Other Human in the Room, I sit down with Dr Karenna'onwe Karen Hill, a Mohawk Turtle Clan family physician from Six Nations of the Grand River. She shares her remarkable journey into medicine, the concept of two-row medicine—rooted in the Haudenosaunee Two Row Wampum—and how Indigenous and Western healing can travel side by side, guided by peace, power, and a good mind. Together we explore what it means to practice true healing, how colonization has impacted us all, and why bringing our full selves into medicine is essential to reclaiming humanity in healthcare.Book a call with me to register for Creating Space: http://joanchanmd.com/spaceLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

09-07
01:02:02

188. Rediscovering Your Authentic Voice with Dr. Aditya Nellore

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Aditya Nellore, a physician and singer who shares how his hardest “failures” became the very doorway into a more authentic life. From failing out of college to going unmatched in the residency match, Aditya opens up about the stigma he faced—and how those painful moments ultimately reconnected him to music and led him into a specialty that values his whole self. Together we talk about medicine, mental health, creativity, and the power of choosing authenticity over perfection.Connect with Aditya: https://www.instagram.com/drsingsofficial/Book a call with me to register for Creating Space: http://joanchanmd.com/spaceLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

08-31
59:24

187. Pick Your Challenge

In this short summer episode, I share why the real power is in choosing the hard that aligns with your values. From charting to patient scheduling to new projects, I offer practical examples and a fresh mindset: pick your challenge on purpose.Book a call with me to register for Creating Space: http://joanchanmd.com/spaceLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

08-24
22:10

186. From Burnout to Coherence with Dr. Mitch Abrams

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Mitchell Abrams, a radiologist whose personal health crisis and journey through burnout led him on a path of deep transformation—both personally and professionally. We talk about what happens when you start to actually *feel* your emotions, how ancient wisdom intersects with quantum science, and what a healthcare system rooted in coherence and compassion could really look like. Mitch offers both a powerful vision and practical tools for creating more spaciousness—within ourselves and within our systems.Connect with Mitch: https://nexgenhealth.solutions/ https://globalheartsync.org/Book a call with me to register for Creating Space: http://joanchanmd.com/spaceLearn more about Hippocratic Collective: https://hippocraticcollective.org/Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joanchanmd

08-17
01:07:02

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