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Transaction activity has at last been picking up in the private real estate market after a multi-year slowdown. But one area that has stayed consistently busy has been the dealmaking environment for property fund managers themselves. A string of deals dating back to last year has seen fundraisers band together to boost their assets under management, diversify their client offerings and seek to capture a greater share of capital from an increasingly disparate set of global investors and capital sources. One trend that has emerged of late has involved several manager stake sales that fit a similar paradigm: Large Japanese corporations, often with ties to the hefty investment arms of major insurance businesses, acquiring US- or Europe-based asset managers with sizeable real estate exposure. From last week’s PERE exclusive on insurer Tokio Marine buying a majority stake in US real estate debt fund manager ACORE Capital, to Mitsui Sumitomo announcing the purchase of an 18 percent stake in Barings, to Mitsubishi Estate buying a majority stake in London-based Patron Capital – a deal which officially closed in the last week – and multiple other deals this year, one thing is clear: Japanese buyers represent a cohort of investors with serious appetite for private asset managers with inroads in the Americas and Europe. Is it a trend? What is driving the activity? And what does it portend for the managers being acquired, the consolidators doing the acquiring, and those positioning themselves as the next targets? The latest episode of The PERE Podcast highlights several of these deals, with host Greg Dool in conversation with PERE editor Evelyn Lee and senior reporter Harrison Connery. Later in the episode, we also hear from Patron founder Keith Breslauer for an update on his firm’s transition to Mitsubishi ownership and whether the market can expect to see additional similar deals moving forward.

This episode is sponsored by Manulife Investment Management As new industries evolve and accelerate, new opportunities are constantly arising for institutional investors in the private real assets space. It isn’t always easy, however, for managers to grasp hold of these opportunities. As assets like data centers have become investable in recent years, managers have found that they need to devote time and effort to understand the dynamics around these unfamiliar assets. And the private markets industry has occasionally been guilty of obsessing over which labels to apply to emerging assets. This is the first episode of our Private Markets 2030 podcast miniseries, part of PEI Group’s wider initiative exploring how private markets are evolving as we enter the decade’s second half. Across the series, we unpack how managers can adapt, attract capital and deliver performance in an increasingly complex market. Joining us are three guests from Manulife Investment Management: Erin Patterson, global co-head of research and strategy; Maggie Coleman, the firm’s chief investment officer for real estate equity and co-head of global portfolio management; and John Anderson, global head of corporate finance and infrastructure. They discuss how multi-product managers have an advantage in expanding into new opportunity sets and argue that a multi-product approach offers obvious benefits around diversification, while allowing managers the flexibility to pivot into new opportunity sets.

A recurring theme in real estate private equity this year has been the proliferation of capital into so-called “niche” or alternative property types beyond the traditionally institutionalized sectors such as office, retail, industrial, multifamily residential or hotels. But while much attention has been paid to the emergence of segments including data centers, student accommodations or outdoor storage, another area of rising conviction among both institutional investors and their asset managers is affordable housing – particularly in the US, where mounting supply shortages have evolved into what most observers describe as a crisis. Increasingly, private market investors want to be a part of the solution, and a growing cohort of asset managers are devising ways to address the problem while also creating strong opportunities for risk-adjusted returns. On this episode, co-host Greg Dool is joined by PERE Credit editor Samantha Rowan and PERE Deals editor Guelda Voien for a look at why affordable housing is increasingly viewed as a strong match for institutional investment portfolios and the managers hoping to capture those allocations. We also hear from Alicia Glen, founder of New York-based private equity firm MSquared, which is currently raising its second impact-focused essential housing fund, in conversation with PERE Podcast co-host McKenna Leavens. Further reading: PERE: MSquared’s Glen: ‘We need to do things differently’ in affordable housing PERE: CIM Group holds first close on debut fund focused on US affordability crisis PERE Credit: Mamdani win underscores need for affordable, middle-income housing National Association of Realtors: First-time home buyer share falls to historic low of 21%, median age rises to 40 American South Capital Partners announces $60 million first close of its third affordable housing fund Federal Reserve Bank of New York: 2025 Case Study on Managers of Multifamily Affordable Housing Private Investment Vehicles

In this episode, host McKenna Leavens sits down with Jonathan Brasse, PERE editor-in-chief, and Evelyn Lee, PERE editor, to unpack the optimism circulating at PERE Network’s 20th annual America Forum, held earlier this week in New York City. The flagship event brought together a record-breaking number of industry leaders and investors across the private real estate landscape. “Palpable optimism” is the way Brasse described the feeling in the air. Listen as he relays the growing confidence among participants that the worst of the capital markets dislocation is over. The podcast reflects on key themes contributing to a positive mood, including the expectation of a rebound in transaction activity and the growing prevalence of core risk-return strategies. Development is also becoming a talking point. Listeners will also hear from Jesse Hom, chief investment officer of real assets and head of real estate credit at Blue Owl, who joined a panel discussing signs of a strong recovery in the market. But there were also notable degrees of skepticism, as Lee explains. Despite improving supply-demand dynamics, there are still uncertainties around long-term interest rates, rising inflation and government deficits, leading some to feel the industry is not yet out of the woods. Read also: PSP, La Caisse explore recalibration of property portfolios  

In this episode, host Greg Dool sits down with Jonathan Brasse, PERE's real estate editor-in-chief, for a deep dive into one of the biggest forces transforming the private markets landscape: manager consolidation. The discussion explores why private market managers across asset classes are acquiring or partnering with other businesses in a bid to scale up, and what that means for investors and the markets they serve. The conversation hinges on the release of PEI Group's Private Markets 2030, a series that takes a look at the major forces shaping the alternative assets industry. Listen as Dool and Brasse unpack the shifts fuelling consolidation. Among increasing demands for diversification and transparency, they focus on a major change in the sources of capital that support managers. For three decades, private markets have been fuelled by institutional investors. But as these institutions reach target allocations, two other sources of capital – private wealth and insurance capital – have emerged, with both the appetite for private market exposure and the means to access it.

In this special episode, the team explores how synthetic risk transfers, a financial tool used by banks to help them free up capacity for more lending, are growing in real estate. Join Real Estate Capital Europe editor Daniel Cunningham and deputy editor Lucy Scott as they discuss why an increasing number of real estate lenders – and real estate managers – are engaging in SRT trades, a topic also explored in REC Europe's deep dive here. This episode comes as Aareal Bank confirms its first SRT trade, linked to a €2 billion portfolio of performing European commercial real estate loans. Also read: Real Estate Capital Europe: Deep dive: How synthetic risk transfers are bringing banks and non-banks together

A multi-year slowdown in private real estate has prompted institutional investors to cut their average target allocation to the asset class for the first time in more than a decade. Is it merely a short-term setback for property fund managers, or a sign of a broader shift within institutional portfolios? The historic reversal reported by Hodes Weill & Associates this week comes after the capital advisory firm had found a steady increase in average target allocations since 2013, when it began tracking them with an annual survey in partnership with Cornell University’s Baker Program in Real Estate. But those gains plateaued starting in 2022, and this year’s 10-basis-point dip suggests that the market effects of high interest rates, geopolitical concerns and the rise of other attractive alternative asset classes are far from over. In this episode, PERE senior reporter Harrison Connery joins host Greg Dool to break down this year’s Allocations Monitor survey results, and contextualize the main takeaways. Hodes Weill co-founder Douglas Weill also shares his perspective on the results and what they might mean for private real estate fundraising moving forward.

This episode is sponsored by Bravo Capital The lending landscape is shifting, and private credit is taking center stage. In this episode, Bravo Capital founder and CEO Aaron Krawitz discusses how his firm is navigating a market defined by bank pullbacks, rising regulation and persistent demand for rental housing. Krawitz outlines where opportunities are emerging: ground-up multifamily construction, healthcare and skilled nursing facilities, and HUD-backed permanent financing. As traditional lenders retrench, these areas are seeing renewed activity from private lenders that can move quickly and tailor structures to complex projects. He also reflects on how Bravo has adapted since launching at the height of the pandemic, emphasizing the importance of a disciplined approach and alignment with investors through shifting market conditions. That ethos, he says, has supported a focus on quality borrowers, measured construction exposure and long-term partnerships over loan volume metrics. Across development financing, bridge loans and HUD takeouts, Bravo sees a broader trend in real estate credit: private lenders are leading the way with financings, even amid market uncertainty.

Blackstone emerged last month as the winner of a year-long takeover battle for UK industrial landlord Warehouse REIT after knocking out rival suitor Tritax Big Box with a £489 million ($656 million; €562 million) bid. But as it turns out, that was not the end of the Blackstone-Tritax saga. In a surprise twist this week, the rivals became partners when Blackstone announced an agreement to sell a £1 billion UK logistics portfolio to Tritax, just weeks after Tritax bowed out of its pursuit of Warehouse REIT. For an added level of intrigue, the deal reportedly involves both cash and Tritax stock, meaning Blackstone will hold an 8.6 percent stake in Tritax Big Box after the deal. What should the industry make of this sequence of events, and what does it suggest about US private real estate managers’ ongoing push into the UK-listed property market? This episode breaks it all down. Listen as host Greg Dool gets the latest from PERE Deals reporter Sarah Marx, who has covered the saga’s every turn, and PEI real estate editor-in-chief Jonathan Brasse, who offers his perspective on the affair and how it compares to a similar dalliance between Brookfield Asset Management and UK REIT Segro last year. Later in the episode, Marx sits down with Matthew Norris, head of real estate securities at London-based manager and REIT investor Gravis Capital, for his take on the story and the growing number of takeover battles between private equity and publicly listed REITs.

PERE and its affiliate Real Estate Capital Europe were on the ground at Expo Real in Munich this week, hosting panel discussions and holding more than a hundred meetings with senior executives from across the private real estate market. So this week, The PERE Podcast brings you an informed dispatch on one of the biggest talking points of the week: Europe’s rising prospects, based on an anticipated rise in defense and infrastructure investment. When NATO members pledged in June to spend as much as 5 percent of GDP annually on defense and critical infrastructure by 2035, private real estate market participants quickly began assessing the ways such spending could spur demand for real estate. These early insights were captured on prior episodes of The PERE Podcast this summer, which you can listen to here and here. This week, the topic is gaining momentum again, with managers and investors at Expo Real eager to share their perspectives on European real estate’s potential NATO uplift and the markets and sectors that stand to benefit most. But it remains early days, and these policy drivers could be subject to change. How likely is it that defense-related real estate will form an asset class in its own right? Is the opportunity being overstated? And what types of challenges could come with investing in such a sector? Listen as PEI real estate editor-in-chief Jonathan Brasse, PERE EMEA editor Charlotte D’Souza and Real Estate Capital Europe editor Daniel Cunningham talk to host Lucy Scott about what they heard in the halls of Expo Real this week. Then later in the episode, hear from Kevin Mofid, head of EMEA Industrial and Logistics Research at real estate services firm Savills, who takes listeners through the firm’s own calculations and why it predicts “substantial growth” on the horizon for industrial and logistics strategies.

The release of PERE’s annual Global Investor 100 ranking of private real estate’s top allocators comes with a somber headline for asset managers: For the first time in the ranking’s history, the world’s top 100 property investors saw their total allocation to the asset class decline from the year before. But that is far from the only intriguing takeaway from this year’s list. On this episode, we take a deep dive into the GI 100 as host Greg Dool sits with PERE’s EMEA editor Charlotte D’Souza to discuss shifts in the ranking among Asia-Pacific, European and North American investors, as well as different investor types, and what they suggest about the ongoing movement of capital in the asset class. We also hear from PERE editor Evelyn Lee about the market context behind these shifts and what participants can expect moving forward. Later in the episode, PEI Group real estate editor-in-chief Jonathan Brasse sits with Dimme Lucassen, managing director and head of the European real estate team at capital advisory firm Evercore, for his view on the findings, the outlook for real estate and the broader relationship between transaction markets and valuations.

This episode is sponsored by Cain International and Arrow Global After several years defined by rising rates and pricing uncertainty, Europe’s property market may be at an inflection point. Jay Patel, managing director at Arrow Global, and Arvi Luoma, who heads Cain International’s European investment committee, share perspectives on how capital is rebalancing toward the continent in this special episode. Patel notes that allocators from the US, Middle East and beyond are looking to Europe in ways they weren’t just a year ago, opening the door for both credit and equity strategies. Luoma, meanwhile, emphasizes that valuations appear to have bottomed and that green shoots are starting to show as financing conditions stabilize. The two also highlight where opportunities are clearest: Germany’s distressed construction projects, Southern Europe’s structural tourism boom, student housing, and continued undersupply in residential and hospitality. Data centers and logistics remain attractive, while ESG regulation – once seen as a hurdle – is increasingly embedded in business plans, shaping how new assets are built and old ones are repositioned. Taken together, their outlook is one of cautious optimism. Core capital is beginning to return, early movers are testing distressed opportunities, and Europe’s mix of stability, rule of law and long-term demand drivers are drawing greater global interest.

In this episode, the editorial team spotlights rising ambitions in real estate debt following news that QuadReal, the property arm of British Columbia’s public-sector pension scheme, plans to deploy £2.5 billion ($3.3 billion; €2.9 billion) into European real estate credit in the next five years through a newly launched direct lending platform. By the end of 2029, QuadReal aims to have between 10 and 20 percent of its global real estate debt exposure in the UK and continental Europe, to complement its North American credit platform. It is just the latest example of a North American manager broadening its ambitions to lend in Europe. Last week, Brookfield wrote its largest European real estate loan deal to date, providing £450 million to refinance two UK retail centers. KKR, meanwhile, plans to deploy a significant piece of the $850 million raised for its latest real estate credit fund to the continent, citing a “very compelling” lending opportunity there, affiliate Real Estate Capital Europe reported in March. Minnesota-based manager Castlelake is currently deploying €1 billion of designated real estate loan capital specifically bound for the Nordic region. What does this cross-border push suggest about institutional shifts within private real estate going forward? Listen as host Lucy Scott, deputy editor of REC Europe, is joined by Daniel Cunningham, REC Europe’s editor, and Silvia Saccardi, REC Europe's senior reporter, to discuss the trend and dig into the factors driving it. Stay tuned for additional perspective from London-based debt advisory business Art Capital’s Tim Vaughan and AJ Storton, who believe this increasing capital formation and deployment activity is underpinned by the rapid growth of back-leverage lending via US investment banks.

The private real estate market got a boost last week when the US Federal Reserve lowered its benchmark policy rate for the first time in nine months. It is a welcome shift for a property sector that has spent three years grappling with the consequences of higher-for-longer interest rates. But what are the immediate effects of a return to rate-cutting, and how does it alter forecasts for capital deployment and returns going forward? This episode breaks it all down, with reactions from across the equity and debt sides of the industry. Listen as host Greg Dool chats with PERE Deals editor Guelda Voien and PERE Credit deputy editor Randy Plavajka about the market context for the Fed’s shift and the key indicators for real estate investors in the months ahead. Later in the episode, we hear from Newmark’s managing director of global research, David Bitner, and head of commercial capital markets research, Joe Biasi, for their take on the news and the extent to which it alters the calculus for dealmaking and fundraising in the rest of 2025 and beyond.

In this episode, Patron Capital founder Keith Breslauer says the firm’s sale of a majority stake to Mitsubishi Estate Global Partners should be seen as a springboard for growth rather than an exit. Breslauer sat down with PERE’s Jonathan Brasse in August following the headline-grabbing sale of the Europe-focused firm to Mitsubishi Estate Global Partners, the investment management business of Japanese property giant Mitsubishi Estate. Listen to the wide-ranging interview in full, as Breslauer sets out how the business will evolve following that sale. “I didn’t do this to exit. I did this to grow,” he explained. Find out the rationale and opportunity behind Mitsubishi’s backing, which includes an initial €600 million equity injection, and how Patron will diversify as a result, taking it beyond its 25-year history in opportunistic equity investing. Among the initiatives discussed is the build-out of a private real estate debt platform, launched in April under the leadership of former CBRE executive Henry Randolph. Breslauer also highlights strong investor appetite for credit strategies but stresses the need to underwrite cautiously in volatile markets. Among the other topics floated during this episode is a potential collaboration with Europa Capital, another London-based manager acquired by Mitsubishi in 2010, and a willingness to contribute to Ukraine’s post-war reconstruction.

This week, The PERE Podcast breaks down the revelation that banking giant Morgan Stanley’s real estate arm has amassed a $900 million fund specifically targeting Japan’s real estate sector. The capital raise is notable not just for its size, which greatly exceeded its target of around $500 million, but for the strategic approach it represents as Morgan Stanley’s first country-specific real estate fund outside the US. Morgan Stanley is not alone among North American asset managers in its enthusiasm for the Japanese property market. In May, BGO closed a $4.6 billion Asian real estate fund – its largest fund ever – with 65 to 75 percent of the capital earmarked for Japan. In June, Los Angeles’ Ares Management closed a $2.4 billion fund focused entirely on Japanese data centers. These, along with the $4 billion raised for Hong Kong-based PAG’s Secured Capital Real Estate Partners VIII, which will be 70 percent deployed to Japan, were among the eight biggest real estate funds closed anywhere in the world in the first half of 2025. What is driving all of this capital formation? Listen as host Lucy Scott, PEI real estate editor-in-chief Jonathan Brasse and PERE editor Evelyn Lee discuss why international managers are seeking to deploy in the country, what this latest news means in the context of Morgan Stanley’s real estate history, and what it signals to the market about the firm’s evolution as a manager.

Offices are back in the spotlight this week on both sides of the Atlantic, and this episode explores some of the reasons behind the sector’s newfound momentum in both investor interest and lender appetite. Join host Greg Dool, Real Estate Capital Europe editor Daniel Cunningham and PERE Deals reporter McKenna Leavens as they discuss the latest developments, including Norges Bank Investment Management's acquisition of a Midtown Manhattan tower, a deal announced on Tuesday, as well as surging activity in London, where offices have featured prominently in a hotbed of financing deals in recent days. The episode also features expert analysis from Oliver Salmon, director of global capital markets at Savills World Research, who sat down with co-host Lucy Scott to discuss the driving factors behind renewed investor confidence in the office sector and what this could mean for non-prime office assets and locations.

This episode is sponsored by Arrow Global Germany’s property market is facing the highest insolvency rate in Europe. Years of cheap credit and rising prices encouraged aggressive development, but when interest rates jumped, buyers paused, sales collapsed and projects ran out of cash. The result: a wave of bankruptcies across the sector. However, in this episode, CEO of Arrow Global Germany Bernhard Hansen explains that there’s opportunity within this dislocation. Stalled projects and smaller developments are waiting for investors with the expertise and capital to finish them. With housing demand far outpacing supply, especially in cities like Munich, he believes there is still strong long-term potential. That potential of course comes with challenges: stricter sustainability rules, tougher financing conditions, and wary buyers mean projects take longer and require deeper due diligence. Yet Hansen is optimistic. International investors and alternative lenders are stepping in, and he says the correction is less of an ending, and more of a recalibration of Germany’s real estate market.

Blackstone is emerging as the victor of a months-long tussle for control of UK-listed investment trust Warehouse REIT – just the latest publicly traded industrial real estate firm to be snatched up by private equity over the past year. Indeed, private asset managers have been on a public-market tear in the sector, from Brookfield’s pursuit of UK warehouse owner Tritax EuroBox, to Starwood and Sixth Street’s take-private of Asian logistics giant ESR, to last week’s news that Sixth Street is advancing an unsolicited bid to acquire Boston-based Plymouth REIT and its 36 million-square-foot US warehouse portfolio. This episode spotlights this trend, including a recap from PERE Deals editor Guelda Voien of Blackstone’s on-again, off-again chase for Warehouse REIT, a look at Sixth Street’s emergence in the space, and broader analysis from PEI Group real estate editor-in-chief Jonathan Brasse and Principal Asset Management’s head of real estate research and strategy Rich Hill.

London-based asset managers Legal & General and Federated Hermes announced on Monday that the Federated Hermes Property Unit Trust had merged into the L&G Managed Property Fund, creating a single platform with a value of £4.7 billion ($6.3 billion; €5.3 billion). In this episode, the editorial team digs into the details of this story, which involves two of the oldest and largest open-ended property funds. Listen as we reflect on what the deal says about the evolution of the country’s pension schemes and their shifting preferences regarding private real estate. Despite both funds being long-established – the L&G MPF in 1971 and FHPUT in 1967 – a key difference between the two vehicles is the nature of their investor base. The majority of MPF’s investors are defined contribution pension schemes. With DC plans, members’ retirement income is determined by a combination of contributions and investment returns, while FHPUT comprises mostly defined benefit pension schemes, as well as local government pension schemes. Listen as Charlotte D'Souza and Joe Marsh join Lucy Scott to discuss how changes in the UK pensions landscape have shaped the opportunity. The team also explores how this merger – which is a rare event – was achieved. Plus, we'll hear from Michael Barrie, head of real estate, UK and Europe at L&G, who spoke to PERE soon after the announcement to explain the changing landscape for DB and DC schemes and how L&G has responded to it.