The Pomp Podcast

Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation we discuss the market reaction to interest rate cuts, the rise of retail investing, Oracle, bitcoin, and how AI will change the future. ======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================This episode is brought to you by Figure ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.com/borrow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for more information.======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers. As of December 31, 2021, the company managed over $1.3 billion across an expanding suite of investment solutions, which include the world's largest crypto index fund and other innovative products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. Whether you’re an individual, advisor, or institution, Bitwise provides intelligent access to crypto with your unique circumstances in mind. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more. Certain of the Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:40 - Fed cuts 25bps and the market reaction6:48 - Retail and the new generation of investing17:55 - Oracle up 40% and AI infrastructure25:39 - Bitcoin, AI, and the 4th turning35:45 - Areas where AI will bring abundance45:00 - Takeaways and how to embrace AI

Jeff Park is a Partner and Chief Investing Officer of ProCap BTC. This conversation was recorded at the Independent Investor Summit in New York. In this conversation we talk about the intelligent investor vs ideological investor, radical portfolio theory, rise of prediction markets, stablecoins, and what the future of bitcoin treasury companies looks like. ======================Pomp writes a daily letter to over 270,000+ investors about business, technology, and finance. He breaks down complex topics into easy-to-understand language while sharing opinions on various aspects of each industry. You can subscribe at: ⁠⁠⁠https://pomp.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at https://stake.coredao.org/pomp======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro0:35 - Intelligent investor vs Ideological investor3:51 - Radical portfolio theory 10:04 - Why prediction markets will be huge 15:21 - What is the role of stablecoins? 20:41 - Bitcoin treasury companies 29:25 - Ideas to trade Strategy 35:50 - What happens when the premiums trade at a discount? 38:25 - Advice for navigating the world 

Balaji Srinivasan is an entrepreneur and investor. He is also the author of the Network State and the founder of the Network School. In this conversation we talk about geopolitics, what is going on with China, US decline, why India is so important, bitcoin, gold, land, guns, and what is going on with the Network School.  (https://ns.com/) (https://thenetworkstate.com/) ======================Pomp writes a daily letter to over 270,000+ investors about business, technology, and finance. He breaks down complex topics into easy-to-understand language while sharing opinions on various aspects of each industry. You can subscribe at: ⁠⁠https://pomp.substack.com/⁠⁠======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================Bitlayer is taking Bitcoin beyond just a store of value. For the first time, you can put your Bitcoin to work, earning yield while staying true to its core principles of security and decentralization. Bitlayer is making Bitcoin DeFi a reality. Learn more at https://x.com/BitlayerLabs======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro2:00 - US decline and China strength?7:09 - What US environment and regulation should look like16:34 - The rise of India and improved infrastructure24:05 - Geopolitical landscape and the role of India45:16 - The war for talent and digital nomad visas51:29 - America is the greatest empire of all time56:24 - Bitcoin, gold, the dollar, and guns1:08:40 - What is the Network School?

Mike Cagney is the Founder and Executive Chairman of Figure. (⁠https://www.figuremarkets.co/fm)⁠ In this conversation we discuss taking Figure public, how block-chain native securities unlock new markets, the rise of DeFi, bitcoin backed loans, and how Figure is modernizing financial infrastructure. ======================Pomp writes a daily letter to over 270,000+ investors about business, technology, and finance. He breaks down complex topics into easy-to-understand language while sharing opinions on various aspects of each industry. You can subscribe at: ⁠https://pomp.substack.com/⁠======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit ⁠https://www.xapobank.com/pomp⁠ to join.======================BitcoinOS is bringing Bitcoin into a new era. For the first time, Bitcoiners can access real DeFi across the entire crypto ecosystem, powered by revolutionary zero-knowledge technology. BitcoinOS is powered by $BOS token, which reunites all of crypto around the chain where it all began. Enter the $BOS token presale and be early to Bitcoin again.======================Polkadot is a scalable, secure, and decentralized blockchain technology aimed at creating Web3. Created by Gavin Wood, co-founder of Ethereum, Polkadot empowers users to build decentralized applications with ease. Backed by industry leaders, making it a preferred choice for big names, Polkadot stands out as a leading choice for investors seeking a reliable, future-proof solution in the growing world of Web3 technology. Learn more at https://polkadot.com/.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro2:11 - Taking Figure public and why it’s good for business 5:52 - Opportunities to improve finance infrastructure 18:26 - Why it’s the “golden moment" for DeFi19:46 - Are regional banks in trouble? 21:45 - Launching a stable coin and GENIUS Act 26:39 - The regulatory shift and now having political support 30:42 - Partnerships and consolidation in the industry 39:27 - Figure is modernizing financial infrastructure 39:55 - Bitcoin backed loans and how it works 44:14 - Advice for entrepreneurs 46:08 - What Figure’s future looks like

Henrik Zeberg is the Head Macro Economist at Swiss Block. In this conversation we talk about the macro outlook, K-shaped economy, inflation, a potential big tech bust coming, why the 4-year bitcoin cycle is not going anywhere, and why Henrik believes risk assets may be in trouble. ======================Pomp writes a daily letter to over 270,000+ investors about business, technology, and finance. He breaks down complex topics into easy-to-understand language while sharing opinions on various aspects of each industry. You can subscribe at: https://pomp.substack.com/======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Bitizenship helps Bitcoin-forward investors gain EU residency and a path to Portuguese citizenship in five years while maintaining exposure to Bitcoin. Their regulated fund qualifies you for the Golden Visa through an operating company focused on Bitcoin-native innovation. Book a free strategy call at https://bitizenship.com/pomp.======================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit https://www.xapobank.com/pomp to join.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro2:14 - Where are we in the macro cycle?10:41 - Are we getting a blow off top in risk assets?13:14 - Historical stock market valuations vs today26:36 - What happens in the next 12 months if we are in a bubble?30:01 - Is bitcoin 4 year cycle different this time?34:33 - Thoughts on where inflation is going38:29 - The framework for being a good investor for the next 10 years42:03 - What does the monetary reset look like?45:54 - How to prepare your investing portfolio

Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation we discuss Oracle going up 40%, what is going on in the stock market, what will happen with interest rates, job revision, AI, bitcoin, interest rates, and where asset prices could be headed. ===================== Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================This episode is brought to you by Figure ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.com/borrow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for more information.======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers. As of December 31, 2021, the company managed over $1.3 billion across an expanding suite of investment solutions, which include the world's largest crypto index fund and other innovative products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. Whether you’re an individual, advisor, or institution, Bitwise provides intelligent access to crypto with your unique circumstances in mind. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more. Certain of the Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:53 - Why are there massive moves in the stock market?4:32 - What’s going on with inflation and tariffs 10:19 - Is there an argument to be bearish? 13:42 - Is there a possibility of a recession? 17:16 - Humans are now competing against machines 22:13 - Job growth revised down by 911,00026:44 - Mortgage market and will homes become more affordable? 29:06 - How does US win AI race?34:52 - What is happening with interest rates? 38:52 - Takeaways from Robinhood event 43:43 - What will happen with bitcoin?

Jeff Park is a Partner and Chief Investing Officer of ProCap BTC. In this conversation we talk about what’s going on with bitcoin, S&P500 rejecting Strategy, why bitcoin is lagging gold, should lower interest rates push bitcoin higher, how we are thinking about the bull market, evaluating Gemini & Figure IPOs, and why retail investors can’t be ignored. ===================== Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at ⁠https://stake.coredao.org/pomp⁠======================⁠BitcoinIRA⁠: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to ⁠https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/⁠ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================TimeStamps:0:00- Intro2:04 - Thoughts from S&P 500 rejecting Strategy11:25 - Relationship between gold and bitcoin19:27 - How high could bitcoin go this bull market?29:58 - Evaluating Gemini, Figure, & crypto IPOs33:16 - “We can’t ignore retail investors”

Ric Edelman is the Founder of Digital Assets Council of Financial Professionals, and he is a New York Times #1 best seller of 13 different books. In this conversation we talk about why financial advisors are finally getting excited about bitcoin, conversations they are having with their clients, the death of 60/40, gold, currency debasement, and why Ric has recommended having 10-40% exposure to bitcoin. ===================== Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================BitcoinOS is bringing Bitcoin into a new era. For the first time, Bitcoiners can access real DeFi across the entire crypto ecosystem, powered by revolutionary zero-knowledge technology. BitcoinOS is powered by $BOS token, which reunites all of crypto around the chain where it allbegan. Enter the $BOS token presale and be early to Bitcoin again.======================Polkadot is a scalable, secure, and decentralized blockchain technology aimed at creating Web3. Created by Gavin Wood, co-founder of Ethereum, Polkadot empowers users to build decentralized applications with ease. Backed by industry leaders, making it a preferred choice for big names, Polkadot stands out as a leading choice for investors seeking a reliable, future-proof solution in the growing world of Web3 technology. Learn more at https://polkadot.com/.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:14 - How financial advisors should think about bitcoin 6:24 - The best ways to get exposure to bitcoin 9:35 - The death of 60/40 and bitcoin should be 40%?18:25 - Should gold be in your portfolio? 22:22 - How to think about technology impact on financial advisors 24:18 - How financial advisors should explain currency debasement 26:45 - What do financial advisors think about other coins? 32:15 - How to think about staking 33:57 - What are the last obstacles financial advisors need to overcome? 41:33 - What is Ric’s focus for the next year? 

Mel Mattison is an investor, author, and a former fintech executive. In this conversation we talk about the role of the Federal Reserve, why they historically have not been independent, who is to blame for current debasement, why gold and bitcoin are so important, and what Mel would do if he was Fed chair. ===================Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: https://www.independentinvestor.co/ (use promo code POMPYT25)===================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: http://pompdesk.com/🔊 ===================Listen to The Pomp Podcast on the audio platform of your choice: http://pomppodcast.com 📧 ===================Pomp writes a daily letter to over 270,000+ investors about business, technology, and finance. He breaks down complex topics into easy-to-understand language while sharing opinions on various aspects of each industry. ===================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit https://www.xapobank.com/pomp to join.===================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.===================0:54 - Intro2:18 - The role of the Federal Reserve and are they independent?8:31 - Who is to blame for currency debasement?11:21 - Historical rundown of central banks and financial system16:38 - What changes would Mel make if he was Fed chair?31:09 - What will happen with gold and bitcoin?44:39 - What’s the argument to own stocks and real estate?49:24 - MMT and AI impact on lower interest rates55:51 - Is Mel buying anything other than gold or bitcoin? 

Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation we talk about the bad jobs report, what will happen with inflation and the fed, when bitcoin will break out, artificial intelligence, Tesla, and why asset prices will keep going higher.===================== Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠======================This episode is brought to you by Figure ⁠⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠⁠, the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply ⁠⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠⁠ for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.com/borrow⁠⁠⁠⁠ for more information.======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers. As of December 31, 2021, the company managed over $1.3 billion across an expanding suite of investment solutions, which include the world's largest crypto index fund and other innovative products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. Whether you’re an individual, advisor, or institution, Bitwise provides intelligent access to crypto with your unique circumstances in mind. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more. Certain of the Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more.======================Bitlayer is taking Bitcoin beyond just a store of value. For the first time, you can put your Bitcoin to work, earning yield while staying true to its core principles of security and decentralization. Bitlayer is making Bitcoin DeFi a reality. Learn more at https://x.com/BitlayerLabs======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:49 - Current state of the economy 9:17 - Has the fed and government outlawed bear markets? 11:30 - What is going on with bitcoin?22:38 - Tesla, humanoid robots, & Elon Musk36:28 - Should we be worried about electricity prices? 39:42 - What can be done about housing national crisis? 44:34 - Trump administration communication style 49:51 - Should fed cut 50 bps?

Jeff Park is a Partner and Chief Investing Officer of ProCap BTC. In this conversation we talk about what separates smart investors from those who just follow ideology, how that mindset shift can make you better in the market, the idea of a bitcoin treasury company, and how businesses could stack more bitcoin without constantly raising new capital. ===================== Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================⁠⁠⁠Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at https://stake.coredao.org/pomp======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro  1:55 - Intelligent investor vs Ideological investor 5:28 - How to think through where the world is headed 18:30 - Why people are attracted to bitcoin’s worldview 31:51 - How to think through bitcoin treasury companies 

Darius Dale is the Founder & CEO of 42Macro. In this conversation we talk about the Federal Reserve, inflation expectations, what is going on with Lisa Cook, how to fix the housing market, and how the market could play out the rest of the year. ===================== Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================⁠Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================Bitizenship helps Bitcoin-forward investors gain EU residency and a path to Portuguese citizenship in five years while maintaining exposure to Bitcoin. Their regulated fund qualifies you for the Golden Visa through an operating company focused on Bitcoin-native innovation. Book a free strategy call at https://bitizenship.com/pomp.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro  0:54 - What is going on with the Fed & Lisa Cook?  5:19 - Rundown of the housing market and how to fix it  21:16 - What are real inflation expectations?  29:24 - How to prepare for a federal reserve regime change 

John and Anthony Pompliano discuss bitcoin, why gold has been going up, will the ethereum rally continue, solutions to fix parts of the government, and predictions for the month of September. ===================== Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit https://www.xapobank.com/pomp to join.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:36 - Bitcoin’s recent performance vs gold16:44 - Solutions to fix parts of the government26:44 - Why has ethereum gone up so much?34:37 - What to expect going into September?

Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation we talk about the federal reserve, what is going to happen with artificial intelligence, future outlook for stock market, and why interest rate cuts will be so bullish for bitcoin.===================== Independent Investor ConferenceMarkets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================From The Desk of Anthony PomplianoCheck out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠======================Podcast Sponsors"This episode is brought to you by Figure ⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠, the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply ⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠ for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply. Visit ⁠⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.com/borrow⁠⁠⁠ for more information."======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers. As of December 31, 2021, the company managed over $1.3 billion across an expanding suite of investment solutions, which include the world's largest crypto index fund and other innovative products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. Whether you’re an individual, advisor, or institution, Bitwise provides intelligent access to crypto with your unique circumstances in mind. Visit ⁠⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⁠⁠⁠ to learn more. Certain of the Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit ⁠⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures⁠⁠⁠ to learn more.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:56 - Where to find signal in the Federal Reserve 10:06 - AI impact on interest rates & jobs17:29 - What does the young generation do? 22:51 - Any risks of rate cuts while rising PMI?26:37 - Why is this good for bitcoin? 29:08 - How big can bitcoin’s market cap get? 33:59 - What will it take for people to sit in 100% bitcoin instead of cash? 39:11 - Where does the stock market go from here?44:08 - Market outlook and why bitcoin

John and Anthony Pompliano discuss bitcoin, why the price is going down, what’s going on with the federal reserve, where the pressure from the White House is coming, prediction for the next 10 years of the US economy, and will Powell cut interest rates? ===================== Markets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit https://www.xapobank.com/pomp to join.======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro0:23 - Why is bitcoin dropping? 4:34 - Bitcoin vs money supply 12:12 - Where does bitcoin go from here? 21:31 - Why bitcoin is now a consensus trade25:44 - Early bitcoin stories and ancient coins 34:44 - Feedback from Jerome Powell and Jackson Hole 41:00 - Lisa Cook situation and where we go from here 

Jeff Park is a Partner and Chief Investing Officer of ProCap BTC. In this conversation we talk about bitcoin, why the volatility is a feature, institutional adoption, opportunities for bitcoin treasure companies, and why bitcoin rate-of-return is so important. ===================== Independent Investor ConferenceMarkets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================From The Desk of Anthony PomplianoCheck out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at https://stake.coredao.org/pomp======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro2:43 - How to think about bitcoin volatility 19:57 - Bitcoin is a retail investors dream 24:55 - Risks or opportunities with Bitcoin ETFs 26:06 - Expectation for bitcoin being injected into traditional finance 28:51 - How to think about bitcoin treasury companies40:20 - Why bitcoin rate of return is so important 47:19 - Takeaways from Jackson Hole conference

Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation we talk about Jerome Powell’s recent comments, why PMI is important, why bitcoin isn’t going up, AI bubble, MAG7 getting cheaper, and where Jordi sees risk right now. ===================== Independent Investor ConferenceMarkets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================From The Desk of Anthony PomplianoCheck out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠======================Podcast Sponsors"This episode is brought to you by Figure ⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠, the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply ⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠ for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply. Visit ⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.com/borrow⁠⁠ for more information."======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers. As of December 31, 2021, the company managed over $1.3 billion across an expanding suite of investment solutions, which include the world's largest crypto index fund and other innovative products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. Whether you’re an individual, advisor, or institution, Bitwise provides intelligent access to crypto with your unique circumstances in mind. Visit ⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⁠⁠ to learn more. Certain of the Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit ⁠⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures⁠⁠ to learn more.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:54 - What’s going on with the Fed? 6:01 - How to measure inflation with AI boom16:41 - How accurate is the job data? 20:02 - PMI and why it’s important 28:53 - Why isn’t bitcoin going up?31:33 - Why MAG7 has become cheaper 33:46 - Feedback on Powell comments 36:12 - OpenDoor is embracing AI 38:33 - Where is risk right now?41:31 - Should Powell cut 50 bps? 

Matthew Sigel is the Head of Digital Assets Research at VanEck, and also the Portfolio Manager of the NODE ETF. In this conversation we talk about public equities related to crypto, recent staking decision from the government, the Fed, bitcoin mining companies, what will happen with stablecoins, and expectations for the US government buying bitcoin.===================== Independent Investor ConferenceMarkets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================From The Desk of Anthony PomplianoCheck out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠======================Podcast Sponsors"This episode is brought to you by Figure ⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠, the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply ⁠⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠⁠ for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply. Visit ⁠⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.com/borrow⁠⁠⁠ for more information."======================Bitizenship helps Bitcoin-forward investors gain EU residency and a path to Portuguese citizenship in five years while maintaining exposure to Bitcoin. Their regulated fund qualifies you for the Golden Visa through an operating company focused on Bitcoin-native innovation. Book a free strategy call at ⁠https://bitizenship.com/pomp.⁠======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:57 - Evaluating public equites related to crypto 13:27 - TEPCO: Why is this Japanese utility company soaring? 16:52 - Feedback on bitcoin mining companies 22:39 - $OPEN & the new wave of retail 28:19 - What is going on with staking? 33:22 - What VanEck has been building 36:06 - Potential risks 38:04 - Expectations for government buying bitcoin 41:30 - Governments relationship with stablecoins 45:10 - Is the 4-year cycle over?

Anthony Pompliano & Polina Pompliano discuss short-term outlook for bitcoin, government printing money, what is going on with inflation, the biggest risk in the market, what you should be paying attention to, and are stocks overvalued and due for a crash? ===================== Independent Investor ConferenceMarkets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================From The Desk of Anthony PomplianoCheck out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠======================Podcast Sponsors"This episode is brought to you by Figure ⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠, the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin or Ethereum with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply ⁠⁠(https://figuremarkets.co/pomp)⁠⁠ for a Crypto Backed Loan today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply. Visit ⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.com/borrow⁠⁠ for more information."======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:22 - Are we due for a market crash? 10:41 - Will the US government buy bitcoin?14:03 - Bitcoin price prediction 16:29 - $OPEN & why the memes are the message 26:29 - What is going on with inflation & job market?31:19 - The biggest risk is listening to the doom & gloom news

Ian De Bode is the Chief Strategy Officer at Ondo Finance. In this conversation we talk about why we need tokenization, advantage of being on-chain, stablecoins vs cash, how people will make money, regulation, biggest risks, and should equities be trading 24/7?===================== Independent Investor ConferenceMarkets are at all-time highs. Public equities are outperforming. And individual investors are driving it all. It’s officially the rise of the retail investor. On September 12th in NYC, I’m hosting the Independent Investor Summit — a one-day event built exclusively for self-directed investors. We’re bringing together some of the smartest public market investors I know for a full day of macro insights, market predictions, one-on-one fireside chats, and actionable investment ideas from each investor. This is going to be an absolute banger event. Join us if you like markets and think retail is two steps ahead of Wall Street.👉 TICKETS: ⁠⁠https://www.independentinvestor.co/⁠⁠ (use promo code POMPYT25)======================From The Desk of Anthony PomplianoCheck out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠======================Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at https://stake.coredao.org/pomp======================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit https://www.xapobank.com/pomp to join.======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================TimeStamps:0:00 - Intro1:56 - Why do we need tokenization?12:34 - How people will make money 15:52 - Lessons from tokenizing a government bond fund 19:13 - Stablecoins that generate yield 24:28 - Behind the scenes of belief in tokenization26:15 - What's the biggest risk?27:59 - Do people really want to trade stocks on weekends? 29:05 - What Ondo Finance is building