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Host Anthony “Pomp” Pompliano talks to the most interesting people in business, finance, and Bitcoin. From billionaires to cultural icons, Pomp helps you get smarter every day.
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Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation, we discuss Bitcoin’s “IPO moment” — why investors are feeling disappointed, what’s really happening beneath the surface, and how these dynamics could reshape portfolios in the months ahead.  Jordi also shares his perspective on Tesla, artificial intelligence, and the shifting political landscape — explaining how the New York City mayor race and overall market sentiment could influence the next phase of global investing.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================This episode is brought to you by Figure (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp), the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin, Ethereum, & SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event. Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) for a Crypto Backed Loan (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply.======================As markets shift, headlines break, and interest rates swing, one thing stays true — opportunity is everywhere. At Arch Public, we help you do more than just buy and hold. Yes, our dynamic accumulation algorithms are built for long-term investors… but where we really shine? Our arbitrage algos — designed to farm volatility and turbocharge your core positions. The best part of Arch Public’s products is they are free! Yes, you heard that right, try Arch Public for free! Take advantage of wild moves in assets like $SOL, $SUI, and $DOGE, and use them to stack more Bitcoin — completely hands-free. Arch Public is already a preferred partner with Coinbase, Kraken, Gemini, and Robinhood, and our team is here to help you build smarter in any market. Visit Arch Public today, at https://www.archpublic.com, your portfolio will thank you.======================DeFi Development Corp. (Nasdaq: DFDV) is pioneering a new category in crypto investing with the first Solana-focused Digital Asset Treasury. DFDV offers public market exposure to Solana’s growth, yield, and onchain innovation, offering investors a leveraged way to participate in a trillion-dollar opportunity. Learn more about why Solana and why DFDV at SolanaTo10K.com.======================Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro2:05 – Bitcoin’s “IPO moment” and illiquid markets6:51 – How stablecoins and AI will impact bitcoin12:34 – AI stocks and the next phase18:22 – Jobs report, unemployment, and inequality20:40 – NYC mayor race & rise of socialism27:35 – Will Tesla buy Uber?31:18 – Inflation, wages, and the restaurant reset40:45 – Elon’s trillion-dollar Tesla bet44:06 – “Make Your AI Bed” — adapting to the new era
Mel Mattison is one of the leading macro strategists on the internet, known for his deep insights into global markets and digital assets. In this conversation, Mel explains why he believes bitcoin is quietly building a strong base for its next move higher. We cover the key macro forces shaping markets — from Fed policy and the Supreme Court’s tariff decision to the sustainability of the AI boom and rising geopolitical tensions.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================In this episode, Pomp spotlights easyBitcoin.app—the app that pays you 1% extra on recurring buys, 2% annual bitcoin rewards, and 4.5% APY on USD. Download it now for iOS or Android at https://easybitcoin.onelink.me/F1zP/klc4v1p8 and start earning today. Your capital is at risk. Crypto markets are highly volatile. This content is informational and not financial advice.======================Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro2:11 – How Mel views uncertainty in markets today4:12 – Government shutdown & Supreme Court tariffs impact7:49 – What could actually cause a bear market10:14 – Why Mel is bullish on bitcoin’s base at $100K13:56 – What would make Mel turn bearish on bitcoin17:33 – Three negative market signals in stocks22:04 – Has bitcoin’s 4-year cycle changed?27:16 – White House Asset Management and US industrial policy30:20 – Any concern around US–Venezuela tensions?
Jeff Park is the Partner and Chief Investment Officer at ProCap BTC. In this conversation, we dive into the current bitcoin market cycle — why price sentiment has shifted, whether younger investors are losing interest, and where the next wave of buyers could come from. Jeff also breaks down how both macro forces like interest rates and micro market dynamics are influencing bitcoin’s trajectory, and reacts to Scott Bessent’s viral tweet that might signal a turning point for crypto markets.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at https://stake.coredao.org/pomp======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro2:05 - Why is bitcoin’s price doing down?10:17 - Competing trends: AI, prediction markets, and other investments15:36 - How millennials and Gen Z view the financial system differently21:31 - Has bitcoin been co-opted by Wall Street or politics?26:09 - Scott Bessent’s bitcoin tweet and the search for young voices in crypto30:38 - Does bitcoin’s price make it psychologically less appealing?33:58 - What would it take for bitcoin to make new highs again?35:14 - Is Jeff still bullish on bitcoin’s long-term future?
Anthony and John Pompliano break down today’s markets — from Scott Bessent’s U.S. outlook and Tom Lee’s bullish call to Jordi Visser’s take on Bitcoin’s “IPO moment.” They also cover job growth, mega themes, the New York City mayoral race, and Anthony’s latest thoughts on bitcoin and stocks.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers, with more than $15 billion in client assets across an expanding suite of investment solutions—including the world’s largest crypto index fund—plus products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. In addition to managing assets, Bitwise helps investors stay informed about the fast-moving crypto market. Every week, CIO Matt Hougan breaks down what’s happening in crypto in five minutes or less. Read the latest at https://experts.bitwiseinvestments.com/cio-memos. Certain Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures to learn more.======================In this episode, Pomp spotlights easyBitcoin.app—the app that pays you 1% extra on recurring buys, 2% annual bitcoin rewards, and 4.5% APY on USD. Download it now for iOS or Android at https://easybitcoin.onelink.me/F1zP/klc4v1p8 and start earning today. Your capital is at risk. Crypto markets are highly volatile. This content is informational and not financial advice.======================Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro1:17 – Are we in a recession?5:16 – Powell vs Bessent: interest rate politics8:29 – The case for an economic boom12:45 – Tom Lee’s $200K Bitcoin prediction15:20 – Jordi Visser and Bitcoin’s “IPO moment”19:01 – AI, data centers, and compute as the new commodity24:40 – New York City mayoral election discussion
Shehzan Maredia is the Founder of Lava, a company building financial tools for Bitcoin holders who want to enjoy life without selling their BTC. In this conversation, we discuss how wealthy Bitcoiners are using innovative lending and credit solutions to buy homes, cars, and experiences — all while keeping their Bitcoin. Shahzad shares real stories, insights, and the broader vision behind enabling financial freedom without liquidation.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================This episode is brought to you by Figure (⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.co/pomp⁠⁠), the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin, Ethereum, & SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event. Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply (⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.co/pomp⁠⁠) for a Crypto Backed Loan (⁠⁠https://figuremarkets.co/pomp⁠⁠) today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply.======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit https://www.xapobank.com/pomp to join.======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro2:36 - Who are high-net-worth bitcoiners?8:24 – “Buy, borrow, die” wealth strategy12:35 – How Lava’s bitcoin loan products work18:22 – Lava’s new bitcoin line of credit19:22 - Real examples of users borrowing for homes and cars21:36 – How Lava makes money24:30 – Why Lava focuses only on Bitcoin26:15 – New bitcoin-backed credit card launch30:05 - The simplicity of bitcoin
Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation, we unpack the Fed’s interest rate cuts, the U.S.–China trade dynamic, and what they signal for global markets. We also dive into the Bitcoin, AI, and tokenized assets — explaining how these forces, alongside Tesla’s innovations, are shaping the next major investment cycle.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================This episode is brought to you by Figure (⁠https://figuremarkets.co/pomp⁠), the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin, Ethereum, & SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event. Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply (⁠https://figuremarkets.co/pomp⁠) for a Crypto Backed Loan (⁠https://figuremarkets.co/pomp⁠) today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply.======================In this episode, Pomp spotlights easyBitcoin.app—the app that pays you 1% extra on recurring buys, 2% annual bitcoin rewards, and 4.5% APY on USD. Download it now for iOS or Android at https://easybitcoin.onelink.me/F1zP/klc4v1p8 and start earning today. Your capital is at risk. Crypto markets are highly volatile. This content is informational and not financial advice.======================DeFi Development Corp. (Nasdaq: DFDV) is pioneering a new category in crypto investing with the first Solana-focused Digital Asset Treasury. DFDV offers public market exposure to Solana’s growth, yield, and onchain innovation, offering investors a leveraged way to participate in a trillion-dollar opportunity. Learn more about why Solana and why DFDV at ⁠SolanaTo10K.com⁠.======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro1:14 - Fed rate cut and market reaction3:40 - US - China trade agreement and impact 7:00 - How to navigate government shutdown, labor market, and AI 21:09 – Generational divide, wealth gap, and rise of socialism in politics25:52 – Bitcoin sentiment and why investors are frustrated32:27 – Tokenization, stablecoins, and the future of payments 37:46 – Token revolution and the merging of AI & crypto  41:33 – Tesla, robo-taxis, and the future of self-driving cars
Brett Tejpaul is the Co-CEO of Coinbase Institutional, leading one of the most influential divisions shaping how major firms enter the crypto market. In this conversation, we explore how Coinbase is driving institutional adoption of digital assets — from bitcoin and altcoins to tokenized securities and on-chain assets. Brett shares how the firm is preparing for the next wave of Wall Street entrants, what risks and opportunities lie ahead for Coinbase, and why the digital-asset treasury era is only just beginning.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================DeFi Development Corp. (Nasdaq: DFDV) is pioneering a new category in crypto investing with the first Solana-focused Digital Asset Treasury. DFDV offers public market exposure to Solana’s growth, yield, and onchain innovation, offering investors a leveraged way to participate in a trillion-dollar opportunity. Learn more about why Solana and why DFDV at SolanaTo10K.com.======================In this episode, Pomp spotlights easyBitcoin.app—the app that pays you 1% extra on recurring buys, 2% annual bitcoin rewards, and 4.5% APY on USD. Download it now for iOS or Android at https://easybitcoin.onelink.me/F1zP/klc4v1p8 and start earning today. Your capital is at risk. Crypto markets are highly volatile. This content is informational and not financial advice.======================Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro2:02 – Coinbase’s institutional vs retail business5:33 – Institutional demand for bitcoin and altcoins10:20 – Tokenization and institutional adoption15:49 – On-chain vs centralized infrastructure19:44 – Legacy finance adapting to crypto31:53 – Regulation, DC, and the Genius Act37:17 – Are we at the finish line for mainstream adoption?43:39 – Bitcoin as pristine collateral and institutional shift
Jeff Park is the Partner and Chief Investment Officer at ProCap BTC. In this conversation, we unpack why Strategy securing a credit rating marks a major milestone for Bitcoin adoption. Jeff breaks down what it means for corporate balance sheets, the upcoming Solana staking ETF, and how prediction markets are shaping global narratives — including the wild debate over whether Donald Trump might actually be Satoshi.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================⁠BitcoinIRA⁠: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to ⁠https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/⁠ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at ⁠https://stake.coredao.org/pomp⁠======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro1:58 - Importance of Strategy getting a credit rating 7:25 – What matters more: the logic or the rating itself?14:14 - How investors can make money on this19:41 - Solana staking ETFs enter the market25:12 – How traditional firms will handle staking31:47 – Prediction markets and Donald Trump being Satoshi?37:11 - New York City mayoral election odds45:52 – Coinbase’s UpOnly Podcast NFT and grabbing attention
Anthony and John Pompliano break down today’s markets — from DeFi and stablecoins reshaping finance to the U.S.–China trade deal and its impact on investors. We also discuss why sentiment is turning bullish, how to think about bitcoin and gold heading into year-end, and what White House Asset Management’s moves signal for the market.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at https://stake.coredao.org/pomp======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro0:32 - What is the DeFi Mullet?9:38 - Centralization vs decentralization12:59 - Stablecoin competition (USDC vs USDT)25:37 - Bitcoin vs gold setup for end of 202531:11 - US – China trade deal and impact on markets38:43 - White House Asset Management
Max Branzburg is the Head of Consumer Product at Coinbase, one of the most important companies in the crypto ecosystem. In this episode, we dive into how Coinbase is building the future of finance — from expanding bitcoin access to launching innovative products that bridge crypto and traditional markets. Max breaks down what’s driving Coinbase’s rapid product development, how they’re scaling to millions of users, and why the next wave of financial innovation will come from within crypto.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================As markets shift, headlines break, and interest rates swing, one thing stays true — opportunity is everywhere. At Arch Public, we help you do more than just buy and hold. Yes, our dynamic accumulation algorithms are built for long-term investors… but where we really shine? Our arbitrage algos — designed to farm volatility and turbocharge your core positions. The best part of Arch Public’s products is they are free! Yes, you heard that right, try Arch Public for free! Take advantage of wild moves in assets like $SOL, $SUI, and $DOGE, and use them to stack more Bitcoin — completely hands-free. Arch Public is already a preferred partner with Coinbase, Kraken, Gemini, and Robinhood, and our team is here to help you build smarter in any market. Visit Arch Public today, at ⁠https://www.archpublic.com⁠, your portfolio will thank you.======================Bitizenship helps Bitcoin-forward investors gain EU residency and a path to Portuguese citizenship in five years while maintaining exposure to Bitcoin. Their regulated fund qualifies you for the Golden Visa through an operating company focused on Bitcoin-native innovation. Book a free strategy call at https://bitizenship.com/pomp.======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro1:59 – Coinbase product expansion & credit card launch4:47 - Thinking through staking, DeFi lending, & on-chain integration10:06 - How to borrow against Bitcoin11:44 - Any potential risks?15:45 - USDC rewards & yield17:32 – Tokenization & real-world assets24:51 – The “Everything Exchange” vision26:53 - What are some challenges?28:28 – Future of crypto & finance merging
Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation, we cover Tesla’s robo-taxis, inflation, interest rates, and the U.S.–China trade dynamic. Jordy also shares how he’s positioning his portfolio, and what Bitcoin, gold, and market psychology reveal about where investors are headed next.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================This episode is brought to you by Figure (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp), the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin, Ethereum, & SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event. Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) for a Crypto Backed Loan (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply.======================As markets shift, headlines break, and interest rates swing, one thing stays true — opportunity is everywhere. At Arch Public, we help you do more than just buy and hold. Yes, our dynamic accumulation algorithms are built for long-term investors… but where we really shine? Our arbitrage algos — designed to farm volatility and turbocharge your core positions. The best part of Arch Public’s products is they are free! Yes, you heard that right, try Arch Public for free! Take advantage of wild moves in assets like $SOL, $SUI, and $DOGE, and use them to stack more Bitcoin — completely hands-free. Arch Public is already a preferred partner with Coinbase, Kraken, Gemini, and Robinhood, and our team is here to help you build smarter in any market. Visit Arch Public today, at https://www.archpublic.com, your portfolio will thank you.======================DeFi Development Corp. (Nasdaq: DFDV) is pioneering a new category in crypto investing with the first Solana-focused Digital Asset Treasury. DFDV offers public market exposure to Solana’s growth, yield, and onchain innovation, offering investors a leveraged way to participate in a trillion-dollar opportunity. Learn more about why Solana and why DFDV at SolanaTo10K.com.======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro1:39 - Tesla and the rise of robotaxis15:33 - How AI, abundance, and bitcoin connect21:05 - Generational divide and government control23:14 - Why AI adoption mirrors Bitcoin adoption26:00 - Gold’s parabolic run and sharp pullback29:27 - China–US trade deal impact on gold and markets37:22 - Layoffs, future of automation, and wealth effect43:06 - Who could be selling bitcoin right now?48:58 - The inevitability of AI and the next wave of innovation
Mel Mattison is one of the leading macro strategists on the internet, known for his deep insights into global markets and digital assets. In this conversation, we discuss the rotation from gold into Bitcoin, the stabilization of the U.S. dollar and what it means for global capital flows, and the relationship between volatility and bull markets — including why higher volatility often signals the start of a new bull cycle. ======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro1:57 - Gold’s historic run and rotation to bitcoin14:01 - US dollar stabilization and foreign flows19:02 - Relationship between volatility and bull markets23:16 - Capital rotation and long-term outlook
Tom Lee is the Co-Founder at Fundstrat, CIO of Fundstrat Capital, and Chairman of BitMine. In this episode, we dive into whether AI is a bubble, why this may be the most hated stock market rally in history, and how misleading economic data shapes investor sentiment. Tom also shares his latest views on Bitcoin, Ethereum, and why innovation in crypto markets is starting to outpace traditional finance.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================As markets shift, headlines break, and interest rates swing, one thing stays true — opportunity is everywhere. At Arch Public, we help you do more than just buy and hold. Yes, our dynamic accumulation algorithms are built for long-term investors… but where we really shine? Our arbitrage algos — designed to farm volatility and turbocharge your core positions. The best part of Arch Public’s products is they are free! Yes, you heard that right, try Arch Public for free! Take advantage of wild moves in assets like $SOL, $SUI, and $DOGE, and use them to stack more Bitcoin — completely hands-free. Arch Public is already a preferred partner with Coinbase, Kraken, Gemini, and Robinhood, and our team is here to help you build smarter in any market. Visit Arch Public today, at https://www.archpublic.com, your portfolio will thank you.======================In this episode, Pomp spotlights easyBitcoin.app—the app that pays you 1% extra on recurring buys, 2% annual bitcoin rewards, and 4.5% APY on USD. Download it now for iOS or Android at https://easybitcoin.onelink.me/F1zP/klc4v1p8 and start earning today. Your capital is at risk. Crypto markets are highly volatile. This content is informational and not financial advice.======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 2:05 - Is AI a bubble? 5:31 - Stock market fundamentals vs macro 8:53 - Inside Tom Lee’s “Granny Shots” ETF 13:28 - The rise and impact of humanoid robots 19:22 - Why economic data is broken 23:35 - Prediction markets and tokenized finance 28:25 - Breakout crypto products 34:32 - Gold vs Bitcoin 38:30 - Is the bitcoin 4-year cycle over? 42:32 - The most hated stock market rally? 46:43 - Ethereum supercycle and BitMine 54:39 - 2026 market outlook 56:38 - Retail activism and Opendoor
Jeff Park is a Partner and Chief Investment Officer at ProCap BTC. In this episode, we unpack why Bitcoin isn’t the bubble — it’s the pin. Jeff breaks down the rotation from gold into Bitcoin, how whales are contributing spot BTC to ETFs, and what Coinbase’s acquisition of Echo signals for both retail and institutional investors.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at https://stake.coredao.org/pomp======================Timestamps: 0:54 - Intro1:54 - Is bitcoin a bubble or the pin?4:15 - Can bitcoin still see major drawdowns?10:00 - Gold vs bitcoin rotation15:15 - Rotation from spot bitcoin to ETFs and why whales are contributing19:41 - Benefits of ETF wrapper vs spot bitcoin27:46 - Coinbase’s acquisition of Echo and what it means moving forward
Anthony and John Pompliano discuss everything happening across the markets — bitcoin, gold, stocks, the Fed, and where things could be headed next. Are we going up or down? Should investors be worried or getting excited? And why retail investors might actually have an edge over institutions right now.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================In this episode, Pomp spotlights easyBitcoin.app—the app that pays you 1% extra on recurring buys, 2% annual bitcoin rewards, and 4.5% APY on USD. Download it now for iOS or Android at https://easybitcoin.onelink.me/F1zP/klc4v1p8 and start earning today. Your capital is at risk. Crypto markets are highly volatile. This content is informational and not financial advice.======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers, with more than $15 billion in client assets across an expanding suite of investment solutions—including the world’s largest crypto index fund—plus products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. In addition to managing assets, Bitwise helps investors stay informed about the fast-moving crypto market. Every week, CIO Matt Hougan breaks down what’s happening in crypto in five minutes or less. Read the latest at https://experts.bitwiseinvestments.com/cio-memos. Certain Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures to learn more.======================Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro1:34 – Gold’s performance and macro shift6:11 – What is more likely: Gold standard or Bitcoin standard?14:02 – Risk assets vs Safe Haven assets18:55 – Why retail may outperform institutions29:30 – Government shutdown impact36:45 – Upcoming Fed meeting and rate cuts
Chris Klein is the Co-Founder & CEO of Bitcoin IRA. In this conversation, we discuss how retirement investing is changing in the digital era, what people are actually doing inside their retirement accounts, and how the wealthy use these tools to grow their wealth faster. We also dive into broader topics like patriotism in America, macro trends, and the roles of gold, silver, stocks, and bitcoin in today’s economy.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Bitlayer is taking Bitcoin beyond just a store of value. For the first time, you can put your Bitcoin to work, earning yield while staying true to its core principles of security and decentralization. Bitlayer is making Bitcoin DeFi a reality. Learn more at https://x.com/BitlayerLabs======================Bitizenship helps Bitcoin-forward investors gain EU residency and a path to Portuguese citizenship in five years while maintaining exposure to Bitcoin. Their regulated fund qualifies you for the Golden Visa through an operating company focused on Bitcoin-native innovation. Book a free strategy call at https://bitizenship.com/pomp.======================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit ⁠https://www.xapobank.com/pomp⁠ to join.======================Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 1:51 - Benefit of bitcoin in retirement accounts3:52 - Can bitcoin get to $180,000 by end of 2025?8:43 - Government shutdown and market impact12:37 - Financial literacy and retirement gap15:36 - Crypto staking in IRAs and what customers are investing in 19:21 - How tokenization will impact IRAs and rise of retail 22:20 - What are “Forgotten 401ks?” 26:15 - Gold vs Bitcoin debate 29:35 - Patriotism and division in America 33:53 - Bitcoin as common ground37:20 - Bitcoin IRA promos
Jordi Visser is a macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience. He also writes a Substack called “VisserLabs” and puts out investing YouTube videos. In this conversation, we discuss the banking crisis, credit contraction, and what’s driving fear in today’s markets, Jordi shares what he’s buying, whether he’s worried about a broader slowdown, and we also touch on OpenAI’s breakthroughs, new AI models, and whether “the aliens are real.”======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================This episode is brought to you by Figure (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp), the platform to Earn and Borrow. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Figure offers Crypto-Backed Loans, allowing you to borrow against your Bitcoin, Ethereum, & SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event. Your BTC collateral is protected by decentralized MPC custody. You can always see your BTC ownership in your FM account and verify holdings in your personal BTC vault on chain. Unlock your crypto’s potential today. Visit their app to apply (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) for a Crypto Backed Loan (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) today! Figure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply. Visit figure.com for more information. Figure Markets Credit LLC. 650 S. Tryon Street, 8th Floor, Charlotte, NC 28202. (888) 926-6259. NMLS ID 2559612. Terms and conditions apply.======================⁠In this episode, Pomp spotlights easyBitcoin.app—the app that pays you 1% extra on recurring buys, 2% annual bitcoin rewards, and 4.5% APY on USD. Download it now for iOS or Android at https://easybitcoin.onelink.me/F1zP/klc4v1p8 and start earning today. Your capital is at risk. Crypto markets are highly volatile. This content is informational and not financial advice.======================Xapo Bank, the world’s first fully licensed Bitcoin-enabled bank, offers military-grade security with an unmatched blend of physical and digital security, as well as pioneering regulatory oversight, so your funds are always protected. Beyond secure storage, they enable you to grow and use your Bitcoin. Earn daily interest in Bitcoin, spend with zero FX fees using a global card, and make instant payments via the Lightning Network for unrivalled access and convenience. Visit https://www.xapobank.com/pomp to join.======================Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro1:53 – Market panic and bitcoin 4-year cycle10:52 – Central banks view on gold vs bitcoin14:58 – US & China trade tensions and rare earths28:25 – Fed policy, rate cuts, and credit risks31:24 – Regional banks and financial stability35:41 – From pessimism to optimism in markets and rise of retail49:21 – AI breakthroughs and the future of technology52:58 – Have aliens come to earth?
Jeff Park is a Partner and Chief Investing Officer of ProCap BTC. In this conversation, we go on a global tour — from Argentina to China to London and back to the US — breaking down what’s happening in different economies, why the US dollar, gold, bitcoin, and global swap lines all matter right now. We also discuss market sentiment, bitcoin’s recent price action compared to gold, and whether investors should actually be worried.======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================BitcoinIRA: Buy, sell, and swap 75+ cryptocurrencies in your retirement account. Take 3 minutes to open your account & get connected to a team of IRA specialists that will guide you through every step of the process. Go to https://bitcoinira.com/pomp/ to earn up to $500 in rewards.======================Core is the leading Bitcoin scaling solution, enabling you to lock in yield by locking up your Bitcoin. Simply lock it on the Bitcoin blockchain to secure the Core network, and get rewards. No bridging. No lending. Just holding. Still your keys. Still your coins. Now your yield. Start at https://stake.coredao.org/pomp======================Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro1:59 – Argentina’s economy and dollar swap lines8:13 – Why the US is buying pesos before bitcoin11:45 – Bitcoin as a strategic reserve asset13:39 – China’s trade war and capital flows18:43 – Lessons from the Bank of England and gold’s staying power24:05 – How bitcoin could follow gold’s path28:03 – Founding of America and monetary history31:37 – Market sentiment and crypto disappointment33:47 – Bitcoin adoption and trade-offs
Anthony & John Pompliano discuss what’s going on with bitcoin, stocks, market bubble talk, why the pessimists are wrong, what the future of predication markets look like, and why JPMorgan and Anduril are investing back into America. ======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================As markets shift, headlines break, and interest rates swing, one thing stays true — opportunity is everywhere. At Arch Public, we help you do more than just buy and hold. Yes, our dynamic accumulation algorithms are built for long-term investors… but where we really shine? Our arbitrage algos — designed to farm volatility and turbocharge your core positions. The best part of Arch Public’s products is they are free! Yes, you heard that right, try Arch Public for free! Take advantage of wild moves in assets like $SOL, $SUI, and $DOGE, and use them to stack more Bitcoin — completely hands-free. Arch Public is already a preferred partner with Coinbase, Kraken, Gemini, and Robinhood, and our team is here to help you build smarter in any market. Visit Arch Public today, at https://www.archpublic.com, your portfolio will thank you.======================Bitlayer is taking Bitcoin beyond just a store of value. For the first time, you can put your Bitcoin to work, earning yield while staying true to its core principles of security and decentralization. Bitlayer is making Bitcoin DeFi a reality. Learn more at ⁠https://x.com/BitlayerLabs⁠======================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/======================Timestamps: 0:00 – Intro1:26 – Bitcoin crash and Trump’s economic plans6:29 – Is bitcoin a safe haven asset?12:47 – Is there really a market bubble?26:14 – Should the Fed continue to intervene in the market?30:22 – Prediction markets and recession odds40:19 – Why investors love buying stocks at all-time highs42:08 – JPMorgan and Anduril investing back in America
Peter Schiff is an American economist, stockbroker, author, the CEO & Chief Global Strategist of Euro Pacific Capital, and the Founder of SchiffGold. In this conversation we discuss why gold & silver are hitting record highs, interest rates, how to improve economic policies, what Peter would do if he was President, and a bet on whether gold or bitcoin will end up having a better 2025? ======================Check out my NEW show for daily bite-sized breakdowns of the biggest stories in finance, technology, and politics: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://pompdesk.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠======================Bitlayer is taking Bitcoin beyond just a store of value. For the first time, you can put your Bitcoin to work, earning yield while staying true to its core principles of security and decentralization. Bitlayer is making Bitcoin DeFi a reality. Learn more at https://x.com/BitlayerLabs======================Bitwise is one of the largest and fastest-growing crypto asset managers, with more than $15 billion in client assets across an expanding suite of investment solutions—including the world’s largest crypto index fund—plus products spanning Bitcoin, Ethereum, DeFi, and crypto equities. In addition to managing assets, Bitwise helps investors stay informed about the fast-moving crypto market. Every week, CIO Matt Hougan breaks down what’s happening in crypto in five minutes or less. Read the latest at ⁠https://experts.bitwiseinvestments.com/cio-memos⁠. Certain Bitwise investment products may be subject to the extreme risks associated with investing in crypto assets. Visit ⁠https://bitwiseinvestments.com/disclosures⁠ to learn more.======================Timestamps: 0:54 - Intro1:21 - Why gold and silver are hitting record highs5:07 - How to think about the gold allocation in your portfolio9:55 - Evaluating why China is buying so much gold12:19 - Why the “Debasement Trade” is now happening15:26 - Interest rates, inflation, & Fed’s independence20:57 - Bitcoin vs gold: which one will have a better 2025?26:39 - Grading the Trump admin on economic policy30:51 - What would Peter do if he was President?
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Craig

interest payments are not transfer payments. stop it.

Sep 13th
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C . E . M

Awesome podcast!

Jun 20th
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Fifty Six

Breedlovove should read Marx's Capital & graduate from Economics Kindergarten. Those who adore him are three rungs below Kindergarten.

Oct 3rd
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Fifty Six

3.33 in ads for an 8.33 podcast recorded on your toilet. so anti-legacy.

Jun 21st
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William

I work in Oil and Gas, but this guy is an idiot.

May 30th
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Fifty Six

4 minutes of ads then 4.45 minutes of content. go go Decentraland Maximalism.

May 16th
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Matthew Bird

Over 3 minutes of advertising in a 9 minute show. No thx.

May 15th
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William

And the very first day Biden was President, he decided to cancel the half built pipeline resulting in the landlocking of plenty of friendly Canadian Oil.

Feb 26th
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David Smith

2018?

Nov 22nd
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badlands75@hotmail.com

pomp didn't sound supportive. he sounded equivocal. talking out of both sides of mouth isn't helpful.

Jun 7th
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jenny maria

Thanks to The Pomp Podcast, one of the most popular podcasts in business and investing! Host Anthony “Pomp” Pompliano talks to the most interesting

Feb 5th
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Randy House

nice

Jul 15th
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Ryan Slot

Took 30 minutes to interject...

Jun 24th
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P Z

Im sure this was an interesting conversation. Unfortunately it was unbearable to listen to. Dude says "um" more than the rest of his words combined.. Lasted 5 min.

Jun 13th
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The Georgiou Family

nnnnnnnnnnnannnnnnnn

Jun 9th
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Craig Sterry

wow this guy's delusional

May 26th
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William

This guy doesn't know much history.

May 3rd
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Matt Ostrander

very informative....I just bought my first shotgun and revolver 4 weeks ago...and a shit ton of ammo!!! Crazy how give up our rights so easily!

Apr 7th
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Alejandro Larralde

Among the best interviews Pomp has had.

Apr 3rd
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William

These podcasts are unnecessary long.

Feb 10th
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