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Author: Jerod Morris and Jonny Nastor

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The Showrunner is a weekly podcast hosted by veteran podcasters Jonny Nastor and Jerod Morris in which we share advice, ideas, and experiences that will help you solidify your podcast's positioning, produce more useful content, build a more authentic connection with your audience, and drive more meaningful results with your podcast.

And we also provide regular words of encouragement and inspiration, because none of the rest of it matters if you don't show up and keep showing up reliably for your audience.
150 Episodes
[141] 5 Simple Steps to Creating a Lead Magnet Your Audience Will Love
We talk a lot about the importance of building your email list and nourishing your subscribers — but what do you do when you are struggling to get anyone to join your email list in the first place?You need to examine (or reexamine) your lead magnet. And in this week’s episode of The Showrunner, we describe a simple 5-step process for creating a lead magnet that will lead to consistent conversions.Among the topics we discuss:• How to define the problem your lead magnet will solve (and why being able to complete this step is foundational for your ability reach your audience).• Why you need to provide ONE specific solution.• How to choose the best format for your lead magnet, with a handful of different types you should consider.• How to approach creating the content itself.• What steps you should take to make it look snazzy.And we use an example lead magnet Jonny created for Hack the Entrepreneur to walk through each of the steps. Click here to download it: out our sponsor Hover for your domain hosting needs. Go to and get started today with 10% off your first purchase.If you find this episode useful, you should also check out these recent episodes: • [130] 23+ Ways to Earn Profit From Your Podcast• [132] 22 Tips to Help You Avoid Costly Mistakes With Your Email List• [137] How to Market a Podcast: 7 Ways to Get More Listeners
[140] Podcast Listener Life Cycles (Why You Need to Let Go of Your Audience)
As we mentioned near the end of last week's episode, this week we're talking about listener life cycles -- because not all listeners are created equally, and without a proper understanding of your podcast’s listener life cycles you will find yourself fighting an unwinnable fight to keep every new listener who comes your way.We publish remarkable podcasts on a consistent basis and new listeners discover our shows each and every day. So why do new listeners not stick around? Is it something we did or didn’t do, or is it something deeper than this?Today we are going to expand upon a private conversation we had. We found them ourselves dissecting the growth of our podcasts -- and more importantly, the life cycles of our podcast listeners.A fair bit of warning: this discussion is not as tight and buttoned-up as some of our other discussions. We meander a bit, and even struggle to explain things at times. But it really comes around at the end, and the calls to action we suggest are extremely useful (and potentially fruitful) thought processes that you should go through to get to know your audience better, so you can serve people more appropriately at whatever part of the listener life cycle they are in.Among the topics we discuss:• Why all listeners have unique jumping in and out points• Three types of podcast listeners: passers-by, advocates, and fans• How to help listeners cross over to the next life cycle
[139] 8 Ideas to Help You Develop Rabid, Loyal Audience Members (Maybe Even Your Own #ChatMob)
There are audience members — the kinds of people who auto-download your show, listen consistently, and even share an episode every once in a while.And then there are AUDIENCE MEMBERS — the kinds of rabid, loyal folks who show up for your live broadcasts, participate in live chats, support your show with donations, offer to help out, reach out to you when they are visiting your area to ask you to coffee, and just generally go the extra mile (maybe even many extra miles) to show you how much they love your work and the community you’re building.In this week’s episode, we’re going to talk about how you go from having the first kind of audience members to the SECOND KIND. Because when you develop a small but tight-knight group of the second kind, you really take your audience, and your show, to the next level.Jerod leads this episode, sharing lessons he’s learned from his experience with The Assembly Call. And Jonny rides shotgun providing the essential context so you know how to apply these ideas to your show even if it’s a totally different type of show than Jerod’s.Among the ideas we discuss:• What Jerod learned from his recent experience with the #ChatMob on The Assembly Call that inspired this episode.• The essential purpose of offering consistency and quality over time.• The power of a great domain name! (Hover sponsor section.)• Why you should take every opportunity to create one-on-one connections.• Why you should find ways to recognize audience members during your show.• The compounding power of hosting a consistent live event with an open live chat.• What it means to “go the extra mile” for your most intense fans.• How you can give your audience the opportunity invest in your growth (and why it’s so powerful).• Why you should consider empowering your audience members within the universe of your show.• How to organize ways for the conversation to go on with you (and why you should).Check out our sponsor Hover for your domain hosting needs. Go to and get started today with 10% off your first purchase.• [128] How to Build an Audience That Transcends Your Content: The 3 C’s Approach• [64] No. 064 Listener Life Cycles: A Podcaster’s GuideConnect with us:• Join the Showrunner community with a free 30-day trial:
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Nicholas Clayton

Amazing podcast that has inspired me to get into the podcasting arena!

Aug 2nd
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