The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

You can’t create change by threatening to kill people. -The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org!-Chapters:Chapter 1) 00:00 IntroChapter 2) 01:50 The importance of nonviolenceChapter 3) 03:38 Winning over adversaries Chapter 4) 05:37 Pushing back against “Safetyism”Chapter 5) 07:58 Conclusion Chapter 6) 10:52 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

Elon has one weakness: animal cruelty. And the one woman who could expose it has just been fired. — Register for the event “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March: https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapter 1) 00:00 Intro, Elon’s mission Chapter 2) 00:45 What programs were cut Chapter 3) 02:09 Selling these cuts to the public Chapter 4) 03:53 Elon’s interests in deregulation Chapter 5) 04:37 Neuralink  Chapter 6) 06:44 Phyllis Fong Chapter 7) 08:36 A simple message to explain Elon’s actions Chapter 8) 10:10 Closing thoughts Chapter 9) 12:24 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis

People say animal rights won’t be achieved for centuries or even millennia. Here’s why they’re wrong.  — Register for the event “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March: https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-2:49 Intro: Animal Liberation will happen in one generation, Peanut The Squirrel, & animal cruelty issues during the 2024 Presidential Election Chapter 2) 2:50-5:38 Philosophical legitimacy of animal rights & the popular appeal of animal rights  Chapter 3) 5:39-7:24 Why there is not a political movement pushing animal rights: obstacle one - preference falsification Chapter 4) 7:25-9:53 Why there is not a political movement pushing animal rights: obstacle two - lack of vision Chapter 5) 9:54-16:43 How to reverse these two obstacles and find opportunities for change & let us know your thoughts on Animal Liberation in one generation Chapter 6) 16:44-17:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

A breakthrough Chinese AI shook the global economy. Vegans can do the same – if we learn from what made Deepseek great.  — Register for the event “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March: https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-4:47 Intro: on the successful and new AI DeepSeek, factory farms, & the Animal Rights movement Chapter 2) 4:48-12:46 How DeepSeek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Transparency Chapter 3) 12:47-19:56 How Deepseek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Diversity Chapter 4) 19:57-26:18 How DeepSeek and the Animal Rights movement can be alike: Purpose Chapter 5) 26:19-27:50 Final thoughts: summary &  Chapter 6) 27:51-28:08 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

Getting arrested for the animals isn’t a problem for the movement. It’s an opportunity. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Register for the event in March “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit”: https://rescue.eventbrite.com/?aff=spotify — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-5:59 Intro: veganism, animal rights, voluntary prosecution, & trials for social change in the past Chapter 2) 6:00-7:59 Reason one: trials force society away from systemic inertia Chapter 3) 8:00-9:15  Reason two: trials are not affected by regulatory capture (example money in politics) Chapter 4) 9:16-19:42 Other social justice movements using voluntary prosecution & on women’s right activist Susan B. Anthony Chapter 5) 19:43-25:33 On gay rights activist Dale Jennings Chapter 6) 25:34-33:58 What do trials mean for animal rights and veganism, & how and when social change happens Chapter 7) 33:59-35:43 Opportunities to participate in activism and the “Animal Rescue in the Age of Trump - DC Summit” in March, link above Chapter 8) 35:44-36:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Links: "Voluntary Prosecution and the Case of Animal Rescue" by Justin Marceau, Wayne Hsiung, and Steffen Seitz https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/vol-137/voluntary-prosecution-and-the-case-of-animal-rescue/  —

There’s nothing like the threat of imprisonment to force you to learn.  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-5:44 Intro: using persuasion to make the world a better place & how people disagree Chapter 2) 5:45-10:39 On trust, how to persuade, & the Smithfield Trial win Chapter 3) 10:40-20:29 Lesson 1: Go to the frontlines & Wayne’s first frontline experience Chapter 4) 20:30-28:26 Lesson 2: Don’t cancel your enemies. Make friends with them. Chapter 5) 28:27-31:56 Lesson 3: Boldness is a virtue, not a vice. Chapter 6) 31:57-33:31 Summary & final thoughts Chapter 7) 33:32-33:48 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Rick Pittman’s testimony at the Smithfield Trial: https://x.com/mbolotnikova/status/1578806031102009349  —

What Trump 2.0 could mean for animal rights. Surprisingly, it’s not all bad. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! — Chapters: 0:00-3:52 Who are the MAGA people in Trump’s incoming administration 3:53-5:10 The culture war around plant-based meats 5:11-6:42 Ending subsidies for animal cruelty 6:43-7:46 Targeting dissidents 7:47-8:55 An end to animal testing 8:56-9:30 Summary and final thoughts  9:31-9:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

Three factors that allowed us to prevail in the face of overwhelming odds. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-3:30 Intro: the judge granted the petition to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Ridglan Farms for criminal animal cruelty, & the first reason we won Chapter 2) 3:31-6:56 The second reason we won Chapter 3) 6:57-10:11 The third reason we won Chapter 4) 10:12-13:31 Final thoughts: why, how, & who can achieve change for animals Chapter 5) 13:32-13:47 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Can We Rescue 60,000 Tortured Dogs? (Episode 16) https://youtu.be/z1t_J9hMuaw  Beagle Experiments Exposed In Court (Ep. 48) https://youtu.be/SmX2yEq6I8g  —

People keep accusing me of stealing animals. I speak to Jade Ara of the Stop Yulin Podcast on why they’re wrong.  — Subscribe to Stop Yulin channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@stopyulin8640  Also watch and like the original full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/eRdnHSq597Y Follow Jade: https://www.facebook.com/jade.ara.12  https://www.instagram.com/jade_ara_stopyulin/  https://x.com/JadeAraa  https://www.threads.net/@jade_ara_stopyulin  https://www.youtube.com/@jadex38 — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! To find out how you can help the dogs at Ridglan Farms, join the Open Rescue Advocates Meeting on January 12th at 4pmPT/7pmET in San Francisco or on online: https://www.simpleheart.org/ora  Follow Wayne on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WayneHsiung_  — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-1:06 Wayne’s intro on joining the Stop Yulin Podcast Chapter 2) 1:07-1:14 Stop Yulin intro (Also watch the original episode with the full intro and outro & subscribe, links above) Chapter 3) 1:15-18:46 Introducing Wayne - his activism, family history, and childhood Chapter 4) 18:47-33:40 When Wayne found out about the Yulin Dog Meat Festival, Wayne’s first dog named Vivian, & on learning why and how to do investigations and rescues Chapter 5) 33:41-39:31 On getting involved in the Yulin campaign & on the 2016 investigation and dog rescue in Yulin Chapter 6) 39:32-42:45 2017 interview of Julianne Perry on the 2016 investigation and rescue of her dog named Pao Chapter 7) 42:46-51:43 (continued) on 2016 investigation & dog rescue in Yulin Chapter 8) 51:44-1:00:38 Dog meat trade and farms in different countries, on rescuing Oliver and two other dogs, & on being caught at a dog meat slaughterhouse Chapter 9) 1:00:39-1:10:28 How they got the dogs out of Yulin & on activist Marc Ching Chapter 10) 1:10:29-1:23:34 The victory in South Korea, on the progress of social change & on infighting in the animal rights movement Chapter 11) 1:23:35-1:36:05 On Direct Action Everywhere (DxE), on the law, & on why Wayne went to jail in 2023 for the animals Chapter 12) 1:36:06-1:48:36 On the Ridglan Beagle Rescue Trial and the petition for a Special Prosecutor to investigate Ridglan Farms (please note: this episode was recorded before the petition was granted), on Wayne’s nonprofit The SimpleHeart Initiative, on stepping down as leader organizer of DxE, on the victories in the Smithfield and Foster Farms Trials, on strategy and goals of animal rights movement, & follow Wayne on Substack and YouTube, links above Chapter 13) 1:48:37-1:49:01 Stop Yulin outro video - Subscribe to the channel, link above Chapter 14) 1:49:02-1:49:18 Wayne’s outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Links: “The Dog I Took a Beating For” by Wayne Hsiung https://medium.com/direct-action-everywhere-dxe/the-dog-i-took-a-beating-for-e24fdbb3ed7f  The Albany Movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albany_Movement  The Birmingham Campaign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_campaign  Letter from a Birmingham Jail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Birmingham_Jail  —

It’s very simple: have faith.  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-5:36 Intro, on YouTube content and the newsletter on Substack, how to start 2025, & on being criminally changed in 2018 for open rescue Chapter 2) 5:37-11:13 The first reason we should be hopeful & on using information and technology Chapter 3) 11:14-14:40  The second reason we should be hopeful & building connections Chapter 4) 14:41-20:08 The third reason we should be hopeful & faith in creating change for the animals Chapter 5) 20:09-21:43 Final thoughts and thank you Chapter 6) 21:44-22:00 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books/Articles Mentioned: “Republic.com” by Cass Sunstein (2001) “A Political Movement for Animal Rights Is Coming” by Wayne Hsiung November 22, 2024  https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/author/wayne-hsiung  “The Law of Social Entropy” by Wayne Hsiung December 28, 2023https://blog.simpleheart.org/p/the-law-of-social-entropy —

The real reason men are killing people across the nation.  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://simpleheart.org! — Follow Jeremy: https://www.youtube.com/@loebjeremy   Watch our podcast with Kam Waters: https://youtu.be/S3DXB8AvPMs  — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-6:20 Intro, post-election takes, & why are there so many angry men out there Chapter 2) 6:21-16:44 The tragedy in New Orleans & comparing Democrats and Republicans Chapter 3) 16:45-27:41 The loss of the public’s trust in the government, on the perpetrator in New Orleans, & how men are affected by society’s cultural norms Chapter 4) 27:42-38:11 Disconnection and loneliness, if the government invested in helping people that need help, & on the unconditional love from dogs Chapter 5) 38:12-54:54 Corrupted incentives, how people change, how systems function or fail, & on the documentary Christspiracy  Chapter 6) 54:55-1:03:39 On the film “The Joker” with spoilers, the isolation of individuals in society, on Jeremy his YouTube channel, & Wayne and his dogs Chapter 7) 1:03:40-1:13:00 On having a connection with a person or a nonhuman animal, Wayne’s difficult time in school, & Jermey in military-type school Chapter 8) 1:13:01-1:20:46 What some of these angry men have in common, North Carolina's military bases, factory farms, and slaughterhouses, on the “crimes” of helping animals, & on crimes that hurt animals Chapter 9) 1:20:47-1:34:10 There’s a higher law and extremists perverting that with violence, on the public perception of Luigi Mangione, & how both domesticated and wild animals are vulnerable  Chapter 10) 1:34:11-1:38:41 On Wayne befriending a factory farm owner & on the Gaia Hypothesis (by James Lovelock) Chapter 11) 1:38:42-1:46:24 Lessons we can learn from these angry men and how to stop this violence from happening again, subscribe to Jeremy’s Youtube channel (link above), & like and comment on Jeremy’s and Wayne’s YouTube channel  Chapter 12) 1:46:25-1:46:41 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Movies mentioned: “Zone of Interest” (2023) “Christspiracy” (2024) “The Joker” (2019) “Joker: Folie à Deux” (2024) “Top Gun” (1986) “The Smell of Money” (2022) “What The Health” (2017) “Jaws” (1975) —

On the virtues of making friends with your enemies. — Watch “Operation Deathstar”: https://youtu.be/wlSE1X-hSqQ  Watch Rick testifying at the Smithfield Rescue Trial“One of the defense’s star witnesses, a turkey farmer who had one of his animals taken by activists, explains to the prosecutor why he supports what they do. He does an impressive job repelling her questions. #SmithfieldTrial” -Marina Bolotnikova https://x.com/mbolotnikova/status/1578806031102009349/video/1  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-4:59 Intro: a phone call because the FBI was at an animal sanctuary, investigating Circle Four Farms in 2017 (Operation Deathstar link above), & charges against rescuers Chapter 2) 5:00-8:54 Learning after being criminally charged, on the Smithfield Rescue Trial in Utah, & on Norbest Turkey rescue charges Chapter 3) 8:55-21:05 Meeting and befriending Rick Pitman, why people do what they do, & on FOIA requests and animal welfare at the slaughterhouse Chapter 4) 21:06-28:32 Sharing criticisms, sharing personal things in common, & Rick testifying at the Smithfield Rescue Trial in Utah (video link above) Chapter 5) 28:33-33:30 Important lessons learned, let us know what lessons that you learned, & thank you all for the support! Chapter 6) 33:31-33:46 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis —

I confront Vegan Gains on his “problematic” views. It goes ok. Sort of. — Follow Vegan Gains: https://www.patreon.com/vegangains https://www.instagram.com/vegangains.real/ https://www.youtube.com/@VeganGains https://www.facebook.com/VeganGainsOfficial https://www.twitter.com/VeganGains — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-11:29 Intro, Youtuber Vegan Gains: Richard Burgess, controversial views on sexual harassment/abuse & the #MeToo movement in activist movements, & specific cases Chapter 2) 11:30-30:34 Having a broad conversation sexual harassment/abuse & the #MeToo movement, & trying to not talk about specific cases Chapter 3) 30:35-35:15 Extreme positions in activist movements Chapter 4) 35:16-46:59 On the Israel/Palestine war Chapter 5) 47:00-1:02:06 Wayne on his awkward laughter, reacting to inappropriate behavior, on power dynamics, calm assessments of evidence compared to extreme conclusions of evidence, & Richard’s interpretation of the evidence Chapter 6) 1:02:07-1:13:43 On restorative justice, on having thoughtful conversations, where views originate Chapter 7) 1:13:44-1:24:43 Wayne on why Richard is so interesting, & on why people react they way they do: concerns, bias, &/or conformity Chapter 8) 1:24:44-1:37:39 On the public disruption of Wayne and Peter Singer, Richard’s controversial opinions on the way people react or don’t want to debate, & on having hard conversations Chapter 9) 1:37:40-1:46:56 Can people have agreements after having conversations, on the empathy of human and nonhumans, & tendencies of human culture Chapter 10) 1:46:57-1:49:58 Richard’s final thoughts, on meditation, & Gummy the cat and Oliver the dog Chapter 11) 1:49:59-1:50:15 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Books Mentioned: “Humanity: A Moral History of the Twentieth Century” by John Glover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Glover  —

Opposition to animal sacrifice was central to Jesus’s teachings. That’s the argument documentary maker Kam Waters makes in his provocative documentary Christspiracy. And he has incredible, fascinating evidence to support his thesis. If you have Christian family, or if you’re simply curious about the true origins of Christianity and Christmas, this is the perfect documentary to watch this holiday season. — Watch: https://www.christspiracy.com  Follow Christspiracy, links below. — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-10:15 Intro, Kameron Water: one of the directors of the documentary Christspriacy, Kameron on why religion matters, how the film Christspriacy developed, a vegan “identity,” & the religious identity Chapter 2) 10:16-20:28 Wayne’s interest in spirituality, Kameron on his religion, on their companion animals, & on the death of animals Chapter 3) 20:29-35:06 Kameron on religions, different connections with animals as food, finding new connections with animals not as food, & activism’s connection to faith Chapter 4) 35:07-48:10 On Kameron’s family’s journey to not eating animals, Kameron’s journey to not eating animals, enriching religion and faith with ethical veganism, & on Seventh-Day Adventists Chapter 5) 48:11-1:00:07 The source of not hurting animals in Chrispiracy, on John the Baptist, & on James’s spiritual leadership after Jesus Chapter 6) 1:00:08-1:17:29 Tempered radicalism, why Jesus and animals have not been discussed before, on Costco and Whole Foods animal welfare lies, & understanding systems Chapter 7) 1:17:30-1:32:36 Why Jesus and James cared about animals, wrong translations of the bible, & Jesus’s quoted scriptures of others about not killing animals Chapter 8) 1:32:37-1:41:48 How animal rights activists can talk to Christians about animals, follow @ Christspiracy on all social media, & thank you to all activists that take direct action for the animals Chapter 9) 1:41:49-1:42:05 Outro video - Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe. Acknowledgments to the Podcast Team: Joe Allman, Adam Durand, & Chloe Leffakis — Follow Christspiracy: https://www.instagram.com/christspiracy/  https://x.com/christspiracy  https://www.tiktok.com/@christspiracy  https://www.youtube.com/@christspiracyfilm  https://www.facebook.com/christspiracy  Follow Kameron: https://www.facebook.com/kameron.waters  https://www.instagram.com/kameronwaters/  https://www.facebook.com/kameron.waters  https://x.com/kameronwaters  https://www.linkedin.com/in/kameron-waters-8329042a/  https://www.youtube.com/@kamh2os —

The bizarre story of the mass reindeer slaughter at Christmas – and what we can do to stop it. — Follow Rich: https://www.instagram.com/notasnatureintended/  https://richcampaigns.myportfolio.com/  — The Simple Heart on Substack - Subscribe to Wayne Hsiung's newsletter to learn more about the #RightToRescue at https://www.simpleheart.org! — Chapters: Chapter 1) 00:00-11:26 Intro, Rich Hardy: author of  “Not as Nature Intended” & on the hidden reindeer slaughter business Chapter 2) 11:27-19:49 Who buys reindeer as meat, bunnies in the fur industry, & exceptions in the laws  Chapter 3) 19:50-28:44 How Rich learned about the hidden reindeer slaughter business, the public reaction to growing transparency of animal agricultural industries and cognitive dissonance, & how Rich became an investigator Chapter 4) 28:45-45:37 Why Rich became an investigator, on investigations and mental health, & advice on balancing activism and mental health Chapter 5) 45:38-56:09 Looking at the big picture in activism and life, Rich on veganic farming, & animal agriculture contaminating vegetable agriculture Chapter 6) 56:10-1:03:04 How social justice movements change society & feelings and communication of humans and animals Chapter 7) 1:03:05-1:13:35 Rich on learning about people during investigations & Big Ag corporations lying about animal agriculture Chapter 8) 1:13:36-1:27:13 Rich’s other investigative work, on rabbit and quail factory farms, & on communicating (and dishonesty) with people Chapter 9) 1:27:14-1:39:26 Workers caught in the systems, on antibiotics used in the animal agriculture industries, & laws for animals that are not enforced Chapter 10) 1:39:27-1:45:01 Is there accountability in democracy and government, Rich’s advice on how to become an activist and investigator, & follow Rich in Instagram, link above. — Books Mentioned: “Not as Nature Intended” by Rich Hardy https://www.waterstones.com/book/not-as-nature-intended/rich-hardy/9781789650631  The Harry Potter series —