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The Social Mobility Podcast is a series of conversations with individuals who advocate for, work within or represent social mobility from a range of sectors, including education, business, charity and the media. Together with host Tunde Banjoko OBE, guests discuss the importance of advancing diversity and equality, and explore what can be done to address socio-economic inequality.
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Malcolm Gomersall is Chief Executive Officer at Grant Thornton UK, where he has held a number of senior leadership positions - including Head of London Audit and Tax, and Head of People and Client Experience. He became Chief Operating Officer in 2019 before being elected CEO by the firm’s partners in 2024. In this episode, Malcolm reflects on how his own upbringing shaped his career, sharing candid stories - from changing his accent to being told to iron his shirts - and how these experiences...
Kerry Dryburgh is bp’s EVP for People, Culture & Communications and the company’s chief human resources and communications officer. In this episode, Kerry shares her personal social mobility journey. From leaving school at sixteen, to becoming an architect of the employee experience at bp – influencing strategy, performance, culture, and transformation. Hear how her decision to take on an apprenticeship sparked a career that today influences people, programmes and policies in ...
Peter Scott is the Global Co-Managing Partner, and Managing Partner EMEA of law firm Norton Rose Fulbright. Peter joined the firm as a trainee solicitor in 1997, and became a partner 10 years later. He was a member of the City of London Socio-economic diversity taskforce, a group of 30 cross-sector leaders aiming to enhance socio-economic diversity at senior levels across the UK's financial and professional service sectors, and a judge of the Women and Diversity in Law Awards. Your hos...
Paul Lewis is the Firmwide Managing Partner of one of the biggest law firms in the UK, Linklaters. He’s been at the firm since he joined as a trainee solicitor in 1998 and was one of their youngest Partners ever. With his Oxford Law degree and his success at Linklaters, you’d be forgiven for thinking Paul grew up in that world, but how he actually comes from a small Welsh village and went to comprehensive school. In this episode, Paul tells us how the leadership team at Linklaters all play a ...
Matthew Crummack is the current CEO of Domestic & General, a firm you might have never heard of before, but that is present in all our homes. D&G is the UK's leading specialist warranty provider for kitchen appliances, TVs, and more. Matthew has over 25 years of experience working at companies including GoCompare, lastminute.com, Expedia, and Nestlé. In this episode, Matthew tells us how education changed his family’s trajectory. He talks about his focus on flexibility, diversity and ...
Shirine Khoury-Haq is CEO of The Co-operative Group – the first woman to hold the position in the history of the business. Shirine is a powerhouse and has held significant leadership roles in both the US and the UK. In this episode, Shirine tells us about climbing up the corporate ladder as a woman and her choice to be outspoken about her perceived difference in a world full of men. How she and Co-op foster diversity and inclusion for a more robust business. And she reminds us that the...
Lee Elliot Major OBE is the UK’s first Professor of Social Mobility at the University of Exeter. He has spent a lifetime researching how to uplift who he calls children from under-resourced backgrounds. Lee previously served as the Chief Executive of the Sutton Trust and played a key role as a founding trustee of the Education Endowment Foundation. His most recent book, "Equity in Education", introduces a pioneering equity-centred approach tailored for schools. In this episode, Lee tells us a...
Danuta Gray is the Chair of Direct Line Group and a Non-Executive Director of the fashion brand, Burberry. She started her career in the tech sector before holding a series of board roles. In this episode, Danuta explains how, despite her working-class background, she’s been given a number of opportunities which she credits for her success in business, and explains how she’s now working to pay that forward for others. She also explains how she is keen to get more women into leadership r...
Jon Lewis is CEO at consulting, transformation and digital services business Capita. Previously he was the CEO of Amec Foster Wheeler, and before that he had a 20-year career at Halliburton where he held a number of senior roles. In this episode, Jon explains why he’s always been passionate about meritocracy - why we in the UK need to start focussing more on potential instead of formal qualifications. He tells us how he’s fostered a strong, purpose-led culture in Capita since his arrival in 2...
Brian Duffy is the CEO of Watches of Switzerland. Previously, he served on several boards across the fashion, retail and sports sectors including several subsidiaries of Ralph Lauren. Brian is an ICAS Chartered Accountant and holds an Honorary Doctorate from Glasgow Caledonian University. Brian tells us about his childhood growing up on a council estate on the outskirts of Glasgow. He grew up with very little, but it was his drive and ambition to achieve more in life that got him to where he ...
Dominic Carter is EVP, Publisher of The Sun, a role he’s only recently taken on, following his time as Chief Commercial Officer at parent company News UK. He’s also a Trustee of the charity NABS, the support organisation for the advertising and media industry. Born to a Nigerian mother and British father, Dominic comes from a working class background, and spent his early education in Nigeria before moving to boarding school in England. As an award-winning advocate for diversity and incl...
Tracy Garrad is the CEO at AXA Health. Tracy joined AXA from HSBC where she held a range of senior management roles. Prior to that she was at Abbey National and Santander. Tracy grew up on a council estate in the North of England and after the death of her mother, she says she was forced to leave education to care for her younger siblings. In this episode, Tracy tells us how a chance encounter when she was 17, changed her life and gave her the confidence to succeed. Tr...
John Boumphrey is the Country Manager for Amazon's business across the UK and Ireland. John has been at Amazon since 2011 and worked across several roles including three years in Seattle as Vice President for the company’s Consumables Programs. John grew up in the North West of England and says he had a “great childhood” with a huge emphasis on education. After studying foreign languages at University, John started his career working in management consultancy where he says he lear...
Ed Couchman is Regional General Manager, DACH, Netherlands, Nordics and UK at social media company Snap Inc. Ed previously spent 6 years at Facebook and before that, he worked in senior tech roles, including at Channel 4. Ed tells us about his working class background growing up in a town on the outskirts of Birmingham and reflects on a recent visit to his old high school. He also shares some of the initiatives Snap has brought in to ensure its Diversity, Equality and Inclusion strategy is a ...
Nick Mackenzie is the CEO of the UK’s leading pub retailer and brewer Greene King. Prior to joining Greene King in 2019, Nick ran businesses across the world including spending 17 years with Merlin Entertainment. One of Nick’s top priorities when he joined the business was making it a more diverse and inclusive workplace, from the pub floor, through to top tier management. Nick explains how he’s made it his mission to create “more opportunities for more people” within the business, through a ...
Steve Murrells is the CEO of the Co-op Group. He joined the organisation as the lead on food in 2012 and now heads every facet of the organisation’s business. Steve has a long history in retail, starting with an A Level Entry Scheme with Sainsbury’s when he was a teenager. Since then he’s climbed the ranks, working in various retail roles. In this episode Steve talks about his vision of an inclusive Co-op, where there’s no racism and no pay gaps. He’s campaigned on many issues including viole...
Alderman Vincent Keaveny is Senior Alderman of the City of London Corporation and a partner at the international law firm, DLA Piper. Vincent has held the office of Alderman for the Ward of Farringdon Within since October 2013 - then in 2018/19 he became Sheriff of the City of London. From November, he will take up a new position as Lord Mayor of London. As a lawyer, Vincent specialises in banking and capital market transactions and is Chair of Samuel Wilson’s Loan Trust, a charity which gran...
Charlotte Duerden is the UK Country Manager for American Express. Charlotte has worked for Amex since 1999, holding various roles in the UK, Australia and New Zealand. She has a keen interest in pushing equality within the workplace, with initiatives like The Women’s Charter and has a strong sense of community and service to others. Charlotte featured on a list of top 100 role models and while she’ll tell you she’s uncomfortable with the title ‘role model’, it set her on a mission to do even ...
Christine Hodgson CBE is Chair of Severn Trent Plc, and before that spent more than 20 years as Chair of Capgemini UK. She has a portfolio of non-executive roles in the private, charity and education sectors. She’s a senior independent director at Standard Chartered Bank, Chair of the Careers and Enterprise Company, Chair of the Blackpool Pride of Place Partnership, and works with the Prince of Wales charity Business in the Community. Through her work in Blackpool, Christine has learnt the im...
Nick Owen is Chair of Deloitte UK, a trustee of Teach First and Macmillan, and a council member of Heart of the City. Nick’s interest in the importance and value of education began at school. He sees it as a massive contributor to social mobility, and backs this up with stark figures and statistics, and explains how the pandemic has eroded much of the progress we’ve made over the past 10 years. In an effort to play its part, Nick says Deloitte’s recruitment processes and apprenticeship scheme...
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