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The Space Between is a leading astronomy and science communication podcast hosted by Kolby Van Camp and Dawson Wagner. Each week, we dive into the wonders of the universe, exploring astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, and more, through curiosity-driven conversations with scientists, thinkers, explorers, and communicators.
Our mission is simple: make complex ideas about space accessible, engaging, and human. From Nobel Prize-winning physicists to rising voices in the astronomy community, The Space Between bridges cutting-edge science with everyday curiosity.
Our mission is simple: make complex ideas about space accessible, engaging, and human. From Nobel Prize-winning physicists to rising voices in the astronomy community, The Space Between bridges cutting-edge science with everyday curiosity.
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In this episode of The Space Between, we dive headfirst into one of the hottest debates in modern cosmology: the true age of the universe and what new data from the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) means for our understanding of cosmic expansion. Headlines are screaming “crisis” and claiming the universe is expanding at two different speeds—so what’s fact, what’s speculation, and what’s just sensational storytelling?We explore the “Hubble Tension,” the discrepancy between early-universe and late-universe measurements of cosmic expansion, and why JWST’s confirmation of Hubble’s data is such a big deal. At the same time, we break down how the science gets spun in the media—why articles about “two universes” or “multiple speeds” of expansion may capture clicks, but miss the nuance of what astronomers are actually saying.Expect a blend of astrophysics, philosophy, and some critical media literacy as we ask: how should we talk about cosmic uncertainty without losing public trust in science?---Articles:The unthinkable confirmed - James Webb and Hubble prove that the universe is expanding at two different speeds, throwing cosmology into crisisNew measure of the universe's expansion suggests resolution of a conflictNASA's Webb, Hubble Telescopes Affirm Universe's Expansion Rate, Puzzle PersistsWebb telescope confirms the universe is expanding at an unexpected rate---JOIN OUR LIVE SHOW ON EVERY FIRST SUNDAY OF THE MONTH AT 9p CENTRAL TIME (GMT-5) AT THIS LINK!https://riverside.fm/studio/kolby-van-camps-studio-eMegKFollow us on Instagram! https://instagram.com/spacebetweenpodOrder Kolby's new album! https://kolbyvancamp.hearnow.com/portraits-volume-ii
In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby, Dawson, and special guest Bernie Michaels dive into the hidden patterns of chaos and the strange gravitational dance of black holes. Bernie, a self-proclaimed chaos math savant, unpacks how tiny changes can lead to cosmic-scale consequences — from galaxies colliding to the unpredictable orbits that shape the universe.We explore whether black holes act like strange attractors, how fractals might be written into the very fabric of spacetime, and whether the universe’s most terrifying objects might also be the birthplace for all life as we know it. Along the way, we wrestle with questions of order versus disorder, philosophy versus physics, and whether humanity’s own chaotic minds mirror the cosmos.It’s a conversation that swings between hard science, big-picture wonder, and playful curiosity. Buckle up — the void is stranger (and more beautiful) than it seems.---JOIN OUR LIVE SHOW ON SEPTEMBER 7 AT 7p CENTRAL TIME (GMT-5) AT THIS LINK!https://riverside.fm/studio/kolby-van-camps-studio-eMegKFollow us on Instagram! https://instagram.com/spacebetweenpodOrder Kolby's new album! https://kolbyvancamp.hearnow.com/portraits-volume-ii
Far from Earth, the Moon presents explorers with an unforgiving puzzle: two weeks of searing daylight followed by two weeks of frozen night. For any future habitat, this isn’t just an inconvenience—it’s a survival crisis. How do you keep the lights on, the air flowing, and the water unfrozen when the Sun disappears for 354 hours at a time?In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby and Dawson explore a surprising solution: thermoelectric power. By harnessing the Moon’s brutal extremes—searing heat by day and deep cold by night—engineers are discovering ways to turn temperature swings into electricity. Could this ancient effect, the Seebeck phenomenon, be the hidden key to powering humanity’s next great frontier?From South Korean simulations to NASA-backed “thermal wadis” carved from lunar soil, we dig into the science, the innovation, and the strategy behind building a self-sustaining lunar base. How does thermoelectric power stack up against solar farms and nuclear reactors? Is it a clever backup—or the seed of a truly independent lunar energy grid?And perhaps most important of all: what does mastering lunar night survival teach us about living beyond the Moon—on Mars, or in the deep cold of interplanetary space?---ChatGPT Deep Research: https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_68abed4419888191b73dbde78972918fUniverse Today article:https://www.universetoday.com/articles/simulation-of-a-thermoelectric-power-generation-system-with-multiple-heat-storage-for-lunar-habitatKyle Hill, Lia Incident:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GYg7Y_W7s---Follow us on Instagram! https://instagram.com/spacebetweenpodOrder Kolby's new album! https://kolbyvancamp.hearnow.com/portraits-volume-ii
Far beyond the orbit of Pluto lies a silent frontier—the frozen edge of the solar system, where light fades, and time seems to stretch. In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby and Dawson explore the discovery of 2023 KQ14, an ancient, distant object nicknamed Ammonite. It's one of only a handful of known sednoids, mysterious celestial bodies that may be untouched relics from the solar system's formation 4.5 billion years ago.What makes Ammonite special? Its orbit is so stable, so distant, and so strange that it may challenge the very way we model the outer solar system. Could this object be the missing clue in the Planet Nine debate? Or is it evidence of something even more ancient; something fossilized into the gravitational architecture of our solar system itself?---ChatGPT Deep Research: https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_689eb892a0248191af6fc7bcb46044e7Clyde Tombaugh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Tombaugh ---Follow us on Instagram! https://instagram.com/spacebetweenpodOrder Kolby's new album! https://kolbyvancamp.hearnow.com/portraits-volume-ii
In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby and Dawson dive headlong into the extraordinary cosmic guests gracing our solar system in 2025—starting with 3I/ATLAS, the third confirmed interstellar object ever observed. Is it a comet from a forgotten star system older than our own… or, as some have (controversially) speculated, an alien probe with a cloaked mission? We break down the hard science, the wild theories, and everything in between as this icy wanderer makes its high-speed fly-by of the Sun.Then, we turn our gaze outward—way outward—to Ammonite (2023 KQ14), a newly discovered sednoid lurking beyond Pluto’s orbit. With a path untouched for billions of years, Ammonite could be a fossilized remnant of the solar system’s chaotic birth... or the key to cracking the mystery of Planet Nine. Either way, it’s turning heads and rewriting the map of the solar system’s edge.---ChatGPT Deep Research: https://chatgpt.com/s/dr_689eb892a0248191af6fc7bcb46044e7YouTube Clip: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G6eqH0mYfUMSkyLive 3I/ATLAS: 3I/ATLAS: A Month-by-Month Observing Guide | TheSkyLive---Follow us on Instagram! https://instagram.com/spacebetweenpodPre-order Kolby's new album! https://kolbyvancamp.hearnow.com/portraits-volume-ii
In this episode of The Space Between, Kolby and Dawson explore the cosmic family tree hiding in plain sight: the Orion Nebula, the Pleiades, and the Hyades. New research suggests these iconic star clusters aren’t just neighbors in the night sky—they’re snapshots of the same stellar system at different stages of life. From baby stars to fading elders, we dive into how clusters form, drift, and evolve, and what that says about the nature of change in the universe. Along the way, we tackle a mind-bending listener question: can black holes give birth to entire universes? And if so, are we just living in someone else’s cosmic nesting doll?---Article 1: https://phys.org/news/2025-07-astronomers-capture-birth-planets-baby.htmlArticle 2: https://phys.org/news/2025-07-orion-nebula-pleiades-hyades-common.html---Follow us on Instagram! https://instagram.com/spacebetweenpodPre-order Kolby's new album! https://kolbyvancamp.hearnow.com/portraits-volume-ii
The VLA and NRAO approved our content for release! Enjoy the second of a small series of interviews we conducted with scientific personnel this last March at the VLA and the NRAO.Kolby and Dawson sit down with the Associate Director of the NRAO, Dr. Patricia Henning, to discuss the workings of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory and the Very Large Array.
The VLA and NRAO approved our content for release! Enjoy the first of a small series of interviews we conducted with scientific personnel this last March at the VLA and the NRAO.Kolby, Dawson, and Ben sit down on-site with NRAO STEAM Education Manager and Visitor Experience and Guided Tour Manager for the VLA, Summer Ash, to discuss the workings of the telescope, her favorite projects she's been a part of, and the way the VLA operates.
Kolby and Dawson break down a recent development where two astronauts are potentially being left on the International Space Station for a significant period of time due to a technical malfunction, plus a really cool public initiative that the European Space Agency has put together to engage the public in astronomy.
Kolby and Dawson discuss fungi in space, its durability, NASA's plans for how it can be used, and whether a hypothesis that it provides access to a deeper level of understanding to the universe.
Kolby and Dawson fire up season 3 with some space news about caves on the moon, the technology needed to explore further into our solar system, and Space X's newest missile launch.
Kolby, Dawson, and Ben recap their trip to the Very Large Array.
Kolby and Dawson discuss the latest in the American governmental findings regarding UAPs and the conflicting messaging it sends.
Kolby and Dawson break down the recent landing of Odysseus on the moon, the expansion of inter-solar technology, and what that means for the future of humanity.
Kolby and Jimmy enjoy a little bit of a relax day with Dawson out of the country and discuss planets, exoplanets, movies, and more.
Kolby and Dawson discuss radio telescopes, their upcoming trip to the Very Large Array and the wonders of the Event Horizon Telescope.
Kolby and Dawson sit down with one of the UK's most prominent astrophotographers, Josh Dury - AKA Starman - to discuss his recent success, frequent collaborations with the BBC, dark sky activism, and what it takes to make it as a professional photographer of the night sky.
Kolby and Dawson sit down with one of the most prominent YouTube astrophotographers in the world, Trevor Jones from AstroBackyard, to discuss astrophotography, being a YouTuber, astronomy, and making a living out of your passions.
Kolby and Dawson sit down with 2006 Nobel Laureate in Physics and the senior astrophysicist for the James Webb Space Telescope through NASA, Dr. John Mather, to discuss JWST, putting telescopes in orbit around the solar system, the Fermi Paradox, and so much more, here on The Space Between.
Kolby and Dawson break down recent developments with AI and machine learning, how that is and could impact the space industry, and whether we as a civilization have been looking for extraterrestrial intelligence in the wrong place all along.
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