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A weekly conversation on the Strong Towns movement hosted by Charles Marohn. The podcast blends fiscal prudence with good urban design to highlight how America can financially strengthen its cities, towns and neighborhoods and, in the process, make them better places to live.



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The Strong Towns approach to housing has some obvious tensions with NIMBYism, but what about YIMBYism? That’s the topic for discussion on the table for today’s episode of the Strong Towns Podcast, because while our approach has more in common with the YIMBY (“Yes in My Backyard”) crowd than differences, there are some nuances that are worth addressing. And if you want to take a serious deep dive into the Strong Towns approach to housing, then you’ll be glad to know that Escaping the Housing Trap: The Strong Towns Response to the Housing Crisis is going to be released tomorrow—so order your copy now! ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Order your copy of Escaping the Housing Trap: The Strong Towns Response to the Housing Crisis today! Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
This week on the Strong Towns Podcast, host Chuck Marohn is joined by Alex Alsup of Regrid, an organization that, among other things, has put together the only 100% complete national parcel map for the United States. Alsup chats with us about this 10-year project and some of the data and analyses Regrid has gotten out of it—including what percentage of property in any given jurisdiction is locally owned, and the implications of these numbers. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Check out the national parcel map here. Click here to read Regrid’s “Owned Away From Home” report. Find Alex Alsup via LinkedIn or his Substack, The Chargeback. Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X). Pre-order your copy of Escaping the Housing Trap: The Strong Towns Response to the Housing Crisis today!
As the U.S. enters another election year—one that is certain to be contentious—we know that many Americans are going to be engrossed in the conversation about national politics. And many of our readers want to know where Strong Towns stands on the issue. In this week’s episode of the Strong Towns Podcast, host Chuck Marohn responds to this question, and promises one thing above all else: we will remain dedicated to our mission, no matter what. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Strong Towns is a bottom-up movement for change across North America. Join today! Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
On this week’s episode, Chuck chats with Barkha Patel, the Director of Infrastructure for Jersey City. Patel has pioneered changes in her city that have dramatically reduced traffic fatalities—in fact, this month marked seven years that Jersey City has gone without traffic deaths. If you’ve been around Strong Towns for a while, you’ve heard us talk about her before, and we’re excited to announce that she’ll be delivering the keynote speech at the 2024 National Gathering. Don’t worry, we’re not going to steal any of that thunder for today’s conversation (Get your tickets, though, if you want to hear that speech at the Gathering!): instead, we wanted to hear a bit more about Patel herself and how she came to do the amazing, transformational work that she’s become known for. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Get your tickets for the 2024 National Gathering today! Check out the 2023 Local-Motive Tour stop “Turn That Stroad Into a Street (or Road),” featuring Patel. “Jersey City Achieved Zero Traffic Deaths on Its Streets. Here’s How They Did It,” by Asia Mieleszko, Strong Towns (June 2023). “How To Get Your Fire Department on Board With Narrowing Streets,” by Asia Mieleszko, Strong Towns (November 2023). Barkha Patel (website). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
Bike Talk is a radio show dedicated to the idea that we need to prioritize bikes as a form of public transportation, and they recently invited Chuck to appear on an episode. It was a great conversation, and so we’re sharing that audio with you today here, as well. They discuss why it’s important to have empathy in discussions about transportation and street safety, and why leading with empathy toward drivers is a good strategy. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Listen to the original episode on Bike Talk. Bike Talk (Twitter/X; Instagram; Reddit). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
Benjamin Herold, author of Disillusioned: Five Families and the Unraveling of America’s Suburbs, joins host Chuck Marohn on this week’s episode of the Strong Towns Podcast. Disillusioned tells the story of five families from Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Los Angeles, and Pittsburg, all of whom moved to the suburbs in search of the American dream…but instead, they’re experiencing the decline of the suburbs, rather than the benefits that were initially sold to them. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Check out Disillusioned: Five Families and the Unraveling of America’s Suburbs. Benjamin Herold (Twitter/X). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
What’s the role of philanthropy when it comes to building strong towns? How do we get philanthropy involved, and how do we make good investments? How do we access federal programs and bigger resources effectively? This is a tension within our conversation, and to help us unpack it, we invited two experts who are well-aligned with these issues onto the podcast: Kelly Jin, the Vice President for Community and National Initiatives at the Knight Foundation (where she leads a $150 million active grant portfolio, and $30 million in annual grant-making), and Stephen Goldsmith, the Derek Bok Professor of the Practice of Urban Policy and the Director of the Data-Smart City Solutions program at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. Goldsmith also directs the Project on Municipal Innovation, the Civic Analytics Network, and the Mayoral Leadership in Education Network. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Kelly Jin (LinkedIn). Stephen Goldsmith (Twitter/X). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
Journalist and author Sam Quinones returns to the Strong Towns Podcast for the third time to discuss a recent, moving article he’s written for The Free Press: “Opioids Decimated a Kentucky Town. Recovering Addicts Are Saving It.” It’s the story of Hazard, a small town that was hit hard by the decline of coal mining and the rise of the opioid epidemic—and yet its residents aren’t letting their town go down without a fight. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES “Opioids Decimated a Kentucky Town. Recovering Addicts Are Saving It,” by Sam Quinones, The Free Press (February 2024). Sam Quinones (Twitter/X). Sam Quinones (website). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
This week’s episode of the Strong Towns Podcast is all about parking reform, and here to talk with host Chuck Marohn on the matter are Tony Jordan and Chris Meyer. Jordan is the president of the Parking Reform Network, a bottom-up nonprofit that’s working to educate the public about the impact of parking policy on climate change, equity, housing, and traffic. Meyer is the legislative assistant to Senator Omar Fateh, who was crucial in introducing a bill—the first of its kind in the nation—to eliminate parking mandates statewide in Minnesota. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Parking Reform Network (website). Chris Meyer (Twitter/X). Tony Jordan (LinkedIn). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
On this week’s episode, host Chuck Marohn talks with Eric Goldwyn, a leading urban scholar and program director at the Marron Institute of Urban Management, as well as a Clinical Assistant Professor in the Transportation and Land-Use program at the NYU Marron Institute. He is known for his pioneering research on urban issues, fostering collaboration to improve city living, and he’s here to talk with us today about the importance of transit for the future of cities, as well as the importance of local government (and the fact that local government is more than just an appendage of state and federal government). ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES “Slow Boring x Transit Costs Project Event,” by Kate Crawford, Slow Boring (March 2023). Transit Costs (website). Eric Goldwyn (Twitter/X). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
One of the most egregious highway expansion projects we’ve encountered is the I-35 project in Austin, Texas. A lot of good people have been fighting it for a long time, and on this week’s episode of the Strong Towns Podcast, host Chuck Marohn will be talking with two of them: Adam Greenfield and Bobby Levinski. They’re both part of the grassroots movement Rethink35, which is working with other local organizations to file a lawsuit against the Texas Department of Transportation over their plans to expand I-35. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Learn more about Rethink35’s work on their website. Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
On this week’s episode, Chuck talks with Dr. Shima Hamidi of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, who, in November 2023, wrote about the study when it first came out, and we’re excited to now have Dr. Hamidi on the podcast to tell us about her work, in her own words. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Read the study: “A National Investigation on the Impacts of Lane Width on Traffic Safety.” Check out the study’s homepage. Shima Hamidi (Twitter/X). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
On this week’s episode, Chuck Marohn talks about a trip he made to the Minnesota state capitol, where he was invited to take part in a press conference in which a bill was launched. Strong Towns is a bottom-up, member-based movement, and so getting involved in legislative action is not normally something that would be on Chuck’s docket. So, why make an exception this time? Simple: because this is a bill that states that no city in Minnesota shall mandate parking requirements. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Watch the full press conference here. Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X). Cover image source: Wikimedia Commons/SimonP.
At Strong Towns, we try to avoid using the word “sprawl” as a shorthand term in our content—and we’d even go so far as to say that sprawl isn’t the problem we’re trying to solve in our communities. All that said, are there any instances where sprawl is actually good? Hear Strong Towns President Chuck Marohn discuss this with Joe Minicozzi, principal of Urban3. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES “Sprawl Is Not the Problem,” by Chuck Marohn, Strong Towns (April 2016). Urban3 (website). Joe Minicozzi (Twitter/X). Chuck Marohn (Twitter/X).
Alright, it’s not exactly “live,” but while visiting Austin, Chuck Marohn couldn’t resist stopping by a Buc-ee’s to marvel at this Texas-sized gas station. It’s emblematic of the overbuilt, spread-out, auto-oriented infrastructure plaguing states like Texas and so many others—but even in Buc-ee’s massive parking lot, there is hope to be found, in the form of comments from Strong Towns members. These are the people who have taken the first step toward fighting a hundred years of bad city development. Will you join them by becoming a member today?
On this special Member Week episode of the Strong Towns Podcast, Chuck Marohn reflects how, despite being sick, his spirits were bolstered this week by the efforts of advocates he’s observed doing amazing work in their cities and towns. We get to support these local heroes through programs like Local Conversations and the Community Action Lab—and your donations are what support us so that we can continue making these programs happen. So, will you help us in making all of this possible by becoming a Strong Towns member today?
Different people are sensitive to different things around them, and this Member Week, we’re asking you to challenge yourself to become a little more sensitive to the things that are happening in your community. What do you see when you look around you? Crumbling infrastructure? Poor urban design? Dangerously designed streets? Insurmountable municipal debt? You can see what’s happening. Now it’s time to do something about it. Start by joining this movement of bottom-up action to change the trajectory of our cities and towns: become a Strong Towns member today.
On this episode of the Strong Towns Podcast, host Chuck Marohn talks with friend, author, and expert on fragile states, Seth Kaplan. His new book, Fragile Neighborhoods, offers a bold new vision for addressing social decline in America, one zip code at a time. It discusses the importance of revitalizing our local institutions and introduces the reader to some of the people and organizations who are doing just that—along with practical lessons for those who want to do similar work. ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES Get your copy of Fragile Neighborhoods: Repairing American Society, One Zip Code at a Time. Chuck Marohn (Twitter). Seth Kaplan (website). Learn more about the 2023 Local-Motive Tour.
On this episode of the Strong Towns Podcast, host Chuck Marohn chats with Conor Semler, an associate planner with Kittelson and Associates. Semler was involved in the development of both the National Association of City Transportation Officials’s Urban Bikeway Design Guide and the Federal Highway Administration’s Separated Bike Lane Planning and Design Guide. He's also played a role in putting together a decision-making framework that changes the way engineers, planners, and other transportation professionals approach street design. Tune in to hear him talk about this innovative approach to transportation planning, and more! ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES “Parking or Pedaling? New Tool Helps Communities Weigh Tradeoffs on Their Streets,” by Kittelson & Associates. Chuck Marohn (Twitter). Learn more about the 2023 Local-Motive Tour.
Strong Towns founder and president, Charles Marohn, was invited to the Lit with Charles podcast to discuss Jane Jacobs’ seminal work, The Death and Life of Great American Cities, and the impact it has had on urban planning and the building of cities. If you love Jane Jacobs or want to learn more about her views and how Strong Towns advocates are working to make them a reality, you will want to explore this conversation. We have provided a full transcript to go along with the audio version, which we share here with the permission of the Lit with Charles podcast.
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Joe A. Finley II

No shocker at Medford. At the end of the day, engineers and planners in the US will kiss Boomer NIMBY a$$ because that's what pays the bills.

Apr 14th
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Joe A. Finley II

Overall decent commentary. As I've said previously, episodes are better when Chuck is interviewing other people versus going on his diatribes about walking & cycling Progressives. But don't get it twisted, Chuck: when cycling advocates say "give us the bike lane" on a 40 mph section of stroad, they're not saying "and nothing else." They're saying "give us SOMETHING after decades of giving us NOTHING & let that be a STEPPING STONE towards grade-separated infrastructure, like cycle tracks."

Apr 14th
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Joe A. Finley II

"Robert Moses is somebody we can all relate to." No, Chuck, he's somebody YOU can relate to! Ramming highways through black, brown and poor neighborhoods that DIDN'T have a Jane Jacobs to stand up for them. Intentionally building parkways so as to EXCLUDE buses, which black, brown and poor people were more likely to use. Lobbying to de-fund public transit projects and shift, pun intended, funding to roadway projects. "But he also built nice parks and beaches." Yeah, but for WHO?!

Feb 22nd
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Feb 5th
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Joe A. Finley II

I'm literally cutting this garbage podcast episode at your rant about 85th Percentile principals. Your previous rant mentioned lowering city speed limits as one effective measure and then, with the 85th Percentile rant, you shift, pun intended, into worrying more about free-flowing freeway traffic! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING/ELIMINATING CITY TRAFFIC INJURIES & FATALITIES! The whole point of speed cameras is to be the invisible hand that REDUCES the 85th Percentile to safer speeds! Try again!

Dec 30th
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Joe A. Finley II

You're hurting my brain, Chuck! "People are slowing down for the camera(s)." -That's LITERALLY what the speed cameras are designed to do! "Advocates think that speed cameras are a good 'Band-Aid' until decades-long street redesigns can funded and implemented... advocates 'don't understand' that street redesign is more effective than more speed cameras." -People pay you for this "profound logic"??!!

Dec 30th
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Joe A. Finley II

"I don't have a counter-argument to that." Probably the truest thing you've said in your life! The idea is to slow city traffic EVEN MORE, not compare it to super-speeders going 100 vs 110 mph.

Dec 30th
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Joe A. Finley II

Chuck, with all due respect, NOBODY is being 400 sf SFHs in Boston or NYC or San Francisco! The "cities" you rattled off are TOWNS the size of a postage stamp! Your "method" works THERE--we need medium density, and we need it yesterday in the BIG cities and their satellite suburbs.

Sep 29th
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Joe A. Finley II

Haha, Conservative Chuck is butt hurt that some reporter mislabeled him as a "Progressive"! He's like, "No, no, really I fluff Moderate NIMBYs!!"

Sep 29th
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Joe A. Finley II

This 1000%! More guest engineers, planners and green infrastructure advocates--less Conservative Chuck rambling.

Jun 10th
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Joe A. Finley II

HUGE shocker! Chuck The Conservative whitewashing SVB's misdeeds! SVB wasn't some poor mom & pop local bank--they were a MAJOR player, largely in the tech sector, that LOBBIED to have mid-sized banks not have to have a X amount of cash-on-hand, proportional to the big dogs (Chase, BofA, WF, etc.). And, what do you know? They didn't have X amount of cash on hand; investors freaked a bit; depositors freaked more and created a run on the bank; and it's Good Night SVB! Karma's a Whaaaaaat?! Here's a thought: if you're going to change regulations to suit your risky habits... make sure you MINIMIZE that risk! There, just did your whole podcast segment! Though I will say, more interesting than "why I think '15-min cities' is a dumb concept but you should believe in it anyway."

Apr 13th
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Joe A. Finley II

Yes, Chuck, we get it: you hate Progressives, Liberals and POC, usually in that order. unfortunately as a Center-Right pundit that puts you in a bit of a conundrum as, much like the other commenter here, you find yourself left behind by a Party that has shifted further and further to the Right, eschewing once proud, but still half-baked, principles of "Fiscal Conservatism" for parading Confederate flags and chanting to hang the sitting Vice President because he won't do "their" bidding. Meanwhile, you are chagrined at the Liberals and Progressives who follow you, whose principles of reducing car dependency and increasing bike-ability and walkability you espouse.

Mar 28th
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Mary Ostyn

Wow, wow, wow! I very much appreciated the balanced insights in this episode. I am a person who feels party-less these days, with some strongly held beliefs that lean liberal and others that are labeled conservative. 15 minute cities make a lot of sense to me for all sorts of reasons. But I want that as an option, not a requirement. And I want to still be free to visit my kids who live elsewhere if I wish. So much discussion these days lacks nuance, and is incredibly divisive. I so much appreciate the time you took to really investigate and explain the reasons that people believe what they do. I sincerely wish that we all as citizens of the world could manage this type of civil, logical discourse on more of the hotly debated topics in our world.

Mar 15th
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Joe A. Finley II

Okay, so second half-ish follow up: two themes running through the entire commentary: 1. No, Chuck, you weren't wrong in that it was ONLY a racial issue. Perhaps the bigger issue is how you ONLY paid attention to the loudest voices, er Tweets, in the room who were perpetuating that. That doesn't negate that-it's a combination of BOTH racial and class inequality AND suburban sprawl Ponzi schemes. 2. This pie-in-the-sky alternate universe where cities can just cut off their satellite suburbs when we all know, at least in North America, how much of an outsized influence suburban Moderates have over city planning, even in "Liberal" enclaves like Boston and New York City.

Mar 11th
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Joe A. Finley II

Only 20 minutes into this, this conversation is DOA, and CLEARLY shows you learned nothing from the feedback you received on the first part in which, in typical form, you whitewash ANY racial or class undertones in planning in the USA, despite a MOUNTAIN of evidence from block busting to redlining to sundown towns. "We have LOTS of diversity in Minnesota ... Norwegians and Swedes and Germans!" 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾 Then you bring in a White female "expert" to INTERPRET for your poor Midwestern Flyover Moderate brain the sentiments of Black residents... RATHER THAN INTERVIEW SOME RESIDENTS THEMSELVES! I'll keep listening as I always do and let you know if it improves...

Mar 11th
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Joe A. Finley II

This had to be the most rambling Centrist Flyover Boomer commentary I've listened to, even by your usual standards! How's that for enough adjectives from this "Acela Corridor" Progressive? Before I even get into the meat of the commentary, about the wacky neighbors, I begin with the milquetoast argument you were making before that about block-by-block self-policing versus city ordinance and/or state regulation. This is an argument easily shut down when you consider all of the sundown towns in the US that systemically shut out POC and other disenfranchised groups. You mentioned self-policing in another commentary, talking about the small town police chief driven out of town for trying to ACTUALLY ENFORCE drunk driving laws by infrequently stationing officers outside the one major bar in town--I repudiated the argument for self-policing then, and I'm doing it again now. There could have been plenty of talk about why regulations, especially in North America, often suck, including car-cen

Feb 9th
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Joe A. Finley II

I wonder if those same people in Small Town USA who decried "heavy-handed" police tactics where nearly 100% of suspected OUI stops WERE yielding results would be just as quick to decry "stop-and-frisk"-style police tactics in poor and POC communities, where 95-97% of suspected gun/drug carrying stops have NOT yielded results. Plus, when and where else in this nation's history have we seen mob mentality override rule-of-law and decency for our fellow human beings? 🤔 🤔 🤔

Jan 18th
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Joe A. Finley II

Swing-and-a-miss (as usual) from the Midwest Moderate on NYC's Central Park! Central Park WAS housing: mostly DIVERSE Middle-Class housing, known as Seneca Village! It couldn't be more classist to say that converting ANY part of it, even 1/5, into Missing Middle (mixed-use medium-density) housing would "destroy the surrounding property values." Isn't that same attitude as most suburban Moderates when attempting to build Missing Middle housing in "their" neighborhood?! Oh, wait, it's Chuck, so...

Jan 18th
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Joe A. Finley II

More Moderate drivel from Chuck. I guess you missed the part where Mississippi's OWN Governor disparaged its capital, saying to a crowd in the suburbs something to the effect of, "At least I'm not in Jackson!" Yes, Chuck, suburban sprawl Ponzi schemes AND lopsided infrastructure investment due to racism and classism can exist simultaneously.

Jan 3rd
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Joe A. Finley II

So... basically throw out 95% of North American traffic engineers and bring in experts from the Netherlands and Denmark, because all NA traffic engineers know how to do is follow an antiquated book that tells them to widen freeways and destroy POC and poor neighborhoods in the name of "free-flowing traffic." And this engineer clown's strawman argument about the tractor-trailer crash was PATHETIC: quick-build/temp-fix DOESN'T mean half-a$$ed! He essentially admitted that signage was inadequate while gaslighting the councilors and concerned citizens by saying "Well, we did what you wanted!"

Nov 13th
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