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The Think Inclusive Podcast (presented by MCIE) features conversations and commentary with thought leaders in inclusive education and community advocacy. Think Inclusive exists to build bridges between parents, educators, and disability rights advocates to promote inclusion for all students. To find out more about who we are and what we do, go to (the official blog of MCIE) and check us out on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.
39 Episodes
The Think Inclusive Podcast (presented by MCIE) features conversations and commentary with thought leaders in inclusive education and community advocacy. Think Inclusive exists to build bridges between parents, educators, and disability rights advocates to promote inclusion for all students. To find out more about who we are and what we do, go to (the official blog of MCIE) and check us out on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Today on the podcast, Jennifer Spencer-Iiams, Assistant Superintendent for the West Linn-Wilsonville School District, talks to us about the transformation in her district toward inclusive practices. Her book, Leading for All: How to Create Truly Inclusive and Excellent Schools, shares lessons learned from years building district schools where all students are served in their neighborhood school and classrooms with their general education peers. Leading for All: How to Create Truly Inclusive and Excellent Schools - Donate to MCIE -
Discussions around the Least Restrictive Environment (LRE) for students with disabilities are almost always tricky. For this episode, we attempt to make LRE a little more understandable. We interview Amy Langerman, special education advocate and attorney in California and Arizona. We discuss the difficulty of some parents seeking the Least Restrictive Environment for their child and how services are delivered in both states. Next, we have Amanda Selogie and Vickie Brett from the Inclusive Education Project (which is a fantastic podcast if you don’t already know about them). We also discuss LRE and strategies that you can take to help advocate for inclusive education wherever you are on your inclusion journey. Also, stay tuned for information about next season. Amy Langerman: Inclusive Education Project:
Today on the podcast, my interview with Carol Quirk (CEO of the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education). We discuss what it really takes for school systems to move to a model where 90% of all students with disabilities are included in general education classrooms. It is not only a pipe dream.  References:  MCIE The Segregation of Students with Disabilities by the National Disability Council For audio transcripts click here:
For so many of us, whether you are an educator, parent, or both, the COVID-19 pandemic has been a strain on all of us. And in late March, when word got out that Betsy DeVos was going to possibly recommend waiving part of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) because of the hardship that the coronavirus was putting on the educational system, we all got nervous.  Today on the podcast, my interview with Denise Marshall (the Executive Director of Council of Parent Advocates and Attorneys) and Jennifer Lesh (the President of the Council for Exceptional Children) where we discuss Betsy DeVos's recommendations to Congress. References COPAA CEC (Free Membership Code: CECED60) NPR: Secretary DeVos Forgoes Waiving Disability Law Amid School Closures HuffPost: To Access Online Services, New Jersey Students With Disabilities Must Promise Not To Sue For audio transcripts click here:
Today on the podcast, we are going to talk about modifying curriculum. For my students back in Pasadena, CA, according to their IEP, the team agreed that this was the best way to access the curriculum. To take a part of the standards and then modify it down to where they were able to meaningfully participate in it. I talk with Juanita Pritchard, an intellectual disabilities specialist, about how we can do this for our students who require it. Also, I wanted to share a resource before we get started. Nicole Eredics book, Inclusion in Action, gives specific strategies on how to modify the curriculum for students who are in general education classrooms. I know a lot of educators who are put into a position where they receive no training on how to do this and are just expected to "make inclusion work." If you are one of those educators or know educators who could benefit from this resource direct them to Inclusion in Action.
Today on the podcast, I interview Christina Samuels of Education Week.  We discuss Ed Week's Special Report called Special Education: Practice and Pitfalls. It takes a look at the shortage of special education teachers, how co-teaching strategies enhance the effectiveness of education for all students, and how to encourage parents and students to advocate for their needs. In 2017, the Hechinger Report published a story about how some educators feel unprepared to teach in classrooms where students with and without disabilities learn together. I wanted to know more about this story, so I invited Jackie Mader, the journalist who wrote the article to talk to me about why this issue was so important to her.
Today on the podcast, my interview with Mike McHargue, speaker and author of Finding God in the Waves, host of the Ask Science Mike podcast and contributor to the Liturgists Podcast. We talk about his recent diagnosis of autism and his thoughts about how disability, sexual identity, and faith intersect. Also, Erin Green (Co-Director of Brave Commons) shares with us what she thinks the biggest barrier to inclusion is for LGBTQ students at Christian universities.
Today on the podcast, our guest is Dr. Julie Causton, creator Inclusive Schooling, an engaging community for educators, administrators, and parents who seek to create more inclusive schools.  We discuss six strategies for families who desire for their children to be educated in an inclusive classroom.  Follow Julie and Inclusive Schooling on Facebook and Twitter!
Today on the podcast, our guest is Dr. Erin Studer, principal of CHIME charter school. We discuss how CHIME has made full inclusion work since the 90s and how they can serve as a model for what is possible for schools in the United States and beyond. Follow CHIME on Instagram and Twitter!
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Lou Brown | Progress


Today on the podcast, our first guest of the new season is Lou Brown, co-founder of TASH (an organization that advocates for human rights and inclusion for people with significant disabilities and support needs) and Professor Emeritus at the University of Wisconsin. We discuss what supports for students with significant disabilities looked like before 1975 and the progress that we have made since then.
We started something new this week and almost none of you knew about it. Our (slightly) failed experiment only strengthened our resolve. We want to hear from YOU (our podcast listeners)! What do you think is the biggest barrier to inclusion? Also, if you are brave enough to answer, what is your dream for inclusion? To leave us a message call (470) 315-0912 and we may use your voicemail on a future podcast. Don't be shy. We love that you download, listen, and share with your closest friends. Have a great week!
Today on the podcast we have filmmaker Jen Tennican. We talk to her about her most recent project, Hearts of Glass, which she sees as an opportunity to raise awareness about local, sustainable food production and the need for inclusive, fair-paying job opportunities for adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities.
Today we have Annette Jett, the executive director of the non-profit Build Inclusion that provider of employment services in the state of Kentucky. We talk about what Pre-Employment Transition Services are and how you might be able to access them in your state. This interview is full of helpful tips about transition services so you might want to take notes.
Today we have special education teacher Beckett Haight. We talk about his experience with differentiation and inclusion as an educator working on three different continents. We also discuss his recent TedX Talk, "Teaching Every Student CompSci or How to Code is Not the Answer."
Today we have acclaimed filmmaker Dan Habib. We talk about his new film Intelligent Lives, a documentary that highlights the lives of people with intellectual disabilities that will make you rethink the very nature of how we measure intelligence.
Today we have Nikki Heiman from We talk about the biggest barriers to inclusive practices in schools today. We also discuss what has been the most effective strategy for helping change educators' mindsets about inclusion.
Today we have Amanda Morin from the National Center for Learning Disabilities and the amazing online resource We talk about the transition back to school for students with disabilities. We also discuss strategies parents can use during IEP meetings when it is recommended for their child to move to a more restrictive setting.
Today we have Paula Kluth, nationally recognized author and speaker on the topic of inclusive education and autism. We talk about her latest book, Universal Design Daily, and how educators can learn to plan for all students by changing their mindset.
Today we have Kristin Wiens, an educator from British Columbia Canada and creator of Northstar Paths, a resource that has stop-motion animation and other beautiful visuals to help educators understand students with disabilities. We talk about the creation of Northstar Paths and what is next for Kristin and her outstanding illustrations.
Today we have Noah Jack, a musician on the autism spectrum. We talk about the release of his new single, Neighborhood, from his upcoming EP, All In The Family.
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