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Discovering a more authentic expression of life in Christ, apart from institutional religion. This podcast asks honest questions about the origin and validity of institutional church practices.
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Welcome to episode 28 of The UnSunday Show. At its core, The UnSunday Show is a podcast about the system we call church. To a very large extent, this system has come to us via church history, religious tradition, and theological distinction, not from the New Testament. Mike talks about that system we've inherited in this episode. He also makes an exciting announcement about the future of The UnSunday Show. Push Play and join the conversation.
Welcome to episode 27 of The UnSunday Show podcast. Way back in episode 9 we talked about 1 John 1:9 and what John meant when he said if we confess our sins [God] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. We concluded that John was targeting unbelievers within the group - those who were sin deniers and outside of the family of faith. But what about those of us who believer? What if we sin? Have we lost fellowship with God? John addressed that in chapter 2 of the same letter.  In this episode, I am bringing over a recent episode of my Grace Grace Cafe Podcast where I talked about that topic. It's in chapter 2 of 1 John, not chapter 1 where John addresses the topic of believers when we sin and he doesn't tell us to confess our sins over and over but to remember what is already ours in Jesus, total forgiveness of all of our sins, past, present, and future. Now that's good news! Grab your favorite beverage and push Play.
Welcome to episode 26 of The UnSunday Show. I recently launched a new UnSunday Show Facebook page. You can get to it by going to https://www.facebook.com/unsunday/. I want to give a shoutout to all of you who have given that new page some likes. It's one more way to keep in touch and keep current with what's happening here at The UnSunday Show. Today's episode is a look at William Tyndale and his authoring of the New Testament in the English language. He wanted the people of his day to have a New Testament in their own language so they could read and interpret it for themselves instead of having to rely solely on the church hierarchy of the day to tell them what it meant. In his desire to remain true to the Greek text, he translated a handful of words according to their true meaning as opposed to the church's long standing definitions. Particularly, he translated ekklesia as congregation, not church. He translated presbuteros as elder, not priest, agape as love, not acts of charity, and metanao as repent, not penance. But this didn't go over well with the church of his day because it exposed the true meaning of these words the church had been keeping from the people for hundreds of years. As a result, Tyndale was strangled and then burned at the stake for refusing to compromise with the top-down authority figures in the church and water down his translation of the New Testament. Let's talk about it...
Welcome to episode 25 of the UnSunday Show. Let's talk about your options when living in a Christian sacral society where conformity to the church's rules is required on the threat of punishment and death for non-compliance. Such was the environment the Anabaptists found themselves in as the Reformation progressed. Like their Roman Catholic counterparts, the church the Reformers created had the power of the State behind it, along with the full weight of the military to enforce the church's top-down rule. "Jesus was not killed by atheism and anarchy. He was brought down by law and order allied with religion - which is always a deadly mix. Beware those who claim to know the will of God and are prepared to use force, if necessary, to make others conform." - Barbara Brown Taylor Let's talk about it...
Welcome to episode 24 of The UnSunday Show. Since I've been absent for a while, I thought it would be a good idea to have a short refresher on some of the topics I've talked about in the past before moving on. In this episode I ask the question, "Who put pastors in charge?" How did we get so pastor-centric and pastor-dependent? Let's talk about it...
Welcome to episode 23 of The UnSunday Show. In this episode, I turn our conversation to how church became church by introducing Constantinianism and how through the Roman Emperor Constantine and his impact on Christianity as the official religion of Rome essentially moved the church from being one segment of society, where personal faith determined membership, to being all of society where personal faith fell by the wayside and membership included everyone in a geographical region as evidenced by infant baptism. Under Constantine, the church became a "Christian Sacralist" State where the church and State were one and the church now wielded the sword of the State to coerce conformity to the new State religion.
Welcome to episode 22 of The UnSunday Show. This episode is a short return to the topic of how we view church informs our view of other things. In this case, the gospel. I wanted to mention a couple of things that I didn't get to in episodes 19 and 20 and present them to you as an addendum of what Greg and I talked about in those episodes. Thanks to all of you who have reached out to me. It's always good to hear from you.
Welcome to The UnSunday Show. We turn 21 today with this, our 21st episode! That means were legal in all 50 States and around the globe. Partay! As most of you know, I co-host another podcast called The Grace Cafe Podcast with my wife. We recently interviewed J.D. Zomer from The Jesus Unfiltered Podcast and I asked J.D. if I could post that conversation here as well because while there is some overlap, this podcast reaches a slightly different group of people and I want them to hear it as well. Our conversation covered things like the Holy Spirit and Craig's List, J.D.'s Religion Free Ministry in the Dallas area, the Jesus Unfiltered Podcast, and the soon-to-be-launched Religion Free Movement. Religion Free Movement is something you're going to want to hear about and I'll let J.D. explain it in his own words. Enjoy!
Welcome to episode 20 of the UnSunday Show. This episode is a continuation of my conversation with Greg McInturff from the previous episode as we continue our dialog regarding ways our view of church informs our view of what God is like, either good or bad. In this second part, we talk specifically about the downsides of formal church membership and Bible verses that get taken out of context and used to guilt us into staying in an institutional environment when the Lord may be leading us out of that setting. Grab your favorite beverage and listen in!
Welcome to episode 19 of the UnSunday Show. My friend Greg McInturff joins me in these next two episodes as we talk about how our view of church informs and/or mis-informs our view of God. Now that I'm a Christian, is God really satisfied with me? Am I enough? Am I doing enough? Should I be doing more and giving more? Is God watching and waiting for me to mess up? Often, the moralistic messages we hear from pulpits weigh us down and make us feel condemned or ashamed because they are heavy on performance and light on grace. We hear a lot about our failures but little to nothing about our identity in Jesus. Institutional religion is performance based and employs the tools of guilt, shame, and condemnation to keep us on a performance treadmill in order to ensure the longevity of the institution. Many have had enough of this kind of system and are walking away from the institutional church in search of a more authentic experience and have come to realize that this type of performance based Christianity has given us a wrong view of what God is like. Join Greg and I in part 1 of this topic as we begin a discussion about how church informs our view of God, either for good, or for bad. Enjoy!
Welcome to episode 18 of The UnSunday Show. This episode is a conversation I had earlier today with my friend, Bonnie Petroschuk about her recent journey out of the institutional church and into Ekklesia. In her own words, Bonnie was known as "Mrs. Church" and was shocked by her own journey as she began to see and understand the significant differences between the two and realized she could no longer stay in the institutional system. I think you'll be encouraged by Bonnie's story and parts of it will be like your own. You'll find Bonnie's blog at: http://goodnewsofgodsgrace.blogspot.com/ We also talked about, and I recommend: The Growing in Grace Podcast Clash of the Covenants: Escaping Religious Bondage Through the Grace Guarantee, by Michael C. Kapler Enjoy!
Welcome to episode 17 of The UnSunday Show. I've listened to two different podcasts over the last couple of weeks that asked the question, "Can fallen pastors be restored?" One was from a former mega-church pastor who had an emotional affair with someone and in the process of working through that, several people surfaced with other charges of arrogance and pride that led to his being removed from that position. The second was an interview with a former pastor who admitted to having an affair and both podcasts were asking the same question, can a fallen pastor be restored? I believe this question is symptomatic of a larger problem that plagues most institutional churches in the west. It assumes there is a valid top-down position of authority in the Ekklesia and in both of these podcasts, restoration meant climbing back into a role of being in charge. It's another indication that Christ's words, "it shall not be so among you" with regards to top-down authority in the church he's building, have become meaningless to us. I also continue my interaction with Jon Zens' book, A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick? Here are a couple links to my articles I reference in this episode. Why Is There a Pulpit? The Pastor-Driven Church Let's talk about it...
Bringing Moses to Church

Bringing Moses to Church

2019-06-0500:36:49

Welcome to episode 16 of The UnSunday Show! I'm taking a short break in this episode from my interaction with Jon Zen's book because I'm recovering from pneumonia and I don't have much of a voice right now. So instead, I'm bringing over one last episode from my old Ekklesia Podcast and I'm calling it Bringing Moses To Church, because I think that's what we do and in so doing, we cause a lot of confusion about how God views us, where we stand with God in any given moment, and how we view God. In this episode I touch on some foundational topics like: Christ's ekklesia (or church) never existed historically until Acts 2.  Why does God look so different in the Old Testament? The Old Covenant pointed to the New Covenant. The Old and New Covenants cannot be mixed. They are incompatible with one another. The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant obsolete. Stop bringing Moses to church! The Old Covenant was temporary and historically time-bound. The Old Covenant produced a physical people where only some within it knew the Lord. The New Covenant produces a spiritual people where everyone in it knows the Lord. To be in Christ is to be in the New Covenant. -Enjoy!
Welcome to episode 15 of The UnSunday Show. In this episode I continue my interaction with Jon Zens' book, A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick? as I look closer at the top-down authority structure of the clergy/laity system. In my opinion, this system is not neutral but adds an intentional, built-in layer of division within the body of Christ. The pastor-centric, top-down clergy/laity systems in most institutional churches is a product of church history. There is no New Testament warrant for its existence. In fact, the New Testament clearly mitigates against it. The result of 2,000+ years of the clergy/laity system is that we can't function apart from the pastor. The pastor is central to the extent that the identity of the entire local church is wrapped up in the person of the pastor in charge and if he or she fails to show up on a Sunday unannounced, we don't know what to do. We even assign ownership of our local churches to the one pastor in charge. This expresses itself in phrases like, "I go to pastor John's church" or "Pastor Jim started a new church." This system of complete dependence on one person was first introduced by Ignatius of Antioch in the early 2nd century when he said, "Let no one do anything in the church apart from the bishop. Holy communion is valid when celebrated by the bishop or someone the bishop authorizes. Where the bishop is present, there let the congregation gather, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the church." Here are some links related to this episode: Rethinking Religion, Part 3: The Clergy/Laity Distinction A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick? - by Jon Zens Enjoy!
Captain and Commander?

Captain and Commander?

2019-05-0100:38:12

Welcome to episode 14 of the UnSunday Show! In this episode, I continue my interaction with Jon Zens' book entitled, A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick? In Section 5 of the book, which is called Why Has Church Become So One-Part Driven?, Zens shares the following quote from David L. McKenna, "[The pastor] is like the cerebellum, the center for communicating messages, coordinating functions, and conducting responses between the head and body.... The pastor is not only the authoritative communicator of the truth from the Head to the Body, but he is also the accurate communicator of the needs from the Body to the Head." Later in the chapter he quotes C. Peter Wagner as saying, "The army has only one Commander-in-Chief, Jesus Christ. The local church is like a company with one company commander, the pastor, who gets his orders from the Commander-in-Chief. The company commander has lieutenants and sergeants under him for consultation and implementation, but the final responsibility for decisions is that of the company commander, and he must answer to the Commander-in-Chief... The pastor has the power in a growing church... The pastor of a growing church may appear to outsiders as a dictator. But to the people of the church, his decisions are their decisions." Let's talk about it! Zen's book and my blogs mentioned in this episode: A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick? (I recommend this book!) Why Is There A Pulpit? The Pastor-Driven Church Enjoy!
One Body, Many Members

One Body, Many Members

2019-04-1800:19:41

Welcome to episode 13 of The UnSunday Show. I finally bought a book that I first saw in 2008. It's called A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile by Jon Zens. It's subtitled, What Makes American Christianity Tick? I think the title says it all. It's an excellent book that I really enjoyed reading so I thought I would share it with you by way of interacting with short excerpts from it. This will be the first of several episodes interacting with this book. I'm looking forward to seeing where this takes us. My first exposure to Jon Zens was in 1995 and I had the opportunity to meet him later that same century (I've been waiting for a chance to use that "century" phrase!). If you're not familiar with his writings, I think you'll find them informative and encouraging. You can find Jon Zens on-line at Searching Together. Here's a link to the book: A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick? Enjoy!
Welcome to episode 12 of the UnSunday Show! I caught two of my friends at a weak moment and they both agreed to come on the show and talk with me about their individual journeys out of the institutional church. My conversation with Rocky Glenn and Jim Gordon centered around their reasons for leaving that religious environment, their experiences along the way, and what community looks like now, apart from religious influence and obligation. Jim and Rocky's stories are indicative of millions who've left the institutional church environment in favor of a more authentic experience apart from it, me included. We haven't left the faith or the body of Christ. One cannot leave the body of Christ without walking away from Jesus. The two are mutually inclusive. Like so many others, we've simply discovered a more genuine expression of the body of Christ apart from religious obligation and conformity to institutional rules, expectations, and traditions. You can find Jim Gordon at Done With Religion. You can find Rocky Glenn at Confessions of a Recovering Church Boy. Grab your favorite beverage, pull up your favorite chair and join our conversation. Enjoy!
Welcome to episode 11 of The UnSunday Show. Let's talk about community and accountability. Most of us think community and accountability are two sides of the same coin, or that one (accountability) is necessary for the other (community) to function. Community is the agreed upon goal and we think accountability is the bus that will take us there. But it’s not. That bus is traveling in the opposite direction. Accountability encourages people to pretend. Community invites us into the Father’s affection where we can feel safe and accepted, fully known and fully loved without any pretense. In an accountability structure, we learn to hide the stuff that’s the real us or that we think will disappoint others and God. We learn how to fake it and which masks to wear to fake people out in every circumstance. In accountability structures, we are focused on getting people to do what they don’t really want to do by way of manipulation and behavior management with corresponding rewards and punishments. Enjoy!
Welcome to episode 10 of The UnSunday Show. We've reached double-digits! In this episode I talk about two phrases in scripture that religion has successfully convinced us are spiritual disciplines: dying daily and bearing our cross. Religion has turned these into closely related spiritual disciplines where I need to be killing myself off every day and learning to hold up under the weight of life's circumstances, or bearing my cross. But is that what these phrases mean? Are bearing my cross and dying daily spiritual disciplines indicative of spiritual maturity? Let's talk about it.
If We Confess Our Sins

If We Confess Our Sins

2019-03-2100:28:33

Welcome to episode 9 of The UnSunday Show. Let's talk about 1 John 1:9 and the confession of sins. This passage says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." The question I address in this episode is does John mean believers need to repeatedly confess sins in order to experience forgiveness up to that point in time? If so, how do we reconcile 1 John 1:9 with other New Testament passages that teach the once-for-all forgiveness of sins secured on the cross? Let's talk about it. My paper referenced in this episode: Rethinking Religion, Part 6: Confessing Our Sins Enjoy!
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