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The Unbeatable Mind Podcast with Mark Divine

Author: Mark Divine / The SEALFIT Network

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Mark Divine is the founder of SEALFIT and Unbeatable Mind and the host of the Unbeatable Mind podcast. Mark is a Retired Navy SEAL Commander, NYT Best Selling author, speaker and entrepreneur. The podcast deals with a wide variety of subjects, from philosophical, emotional and meta-physical to self defense, fitness and elite physical performance. They all form a part of Mark's 5 mountain training path to develop your Mental, Physical, Emotional, Intuitive, and Kokoro (Heart) self. Find out more at
321 Episodes
 In this two-part interview, Mark is talking to his old friend Dr. Kirk Parsley. Doc Parsley is a former SEAL who is now an MD who specializes in sleep. He realized that most of us are getting less sleep than we need and are kind of seeing sleep as “the enemy” or a waste of time. As a result, he developed his “sleep cocktail” for SEAL patients and has now developed it for all of us as the Sleep Remedy. Learn how: Lack of sleep just accelerates the aging process Working out while being sleep deprived is counterproductive—no benefits Sleep is a part of life that we must accept—16 hours awake and 8 hours of sleep for recovery Listen to this episode to get a better understanding of how your sleep is important to how you deal with this VUCA environment.
Tim Grover is the founder of ATTACK Athletics. He has trained Michael Jordan, among other professional athletes, and is the author of Relentless: From Good to Great to Unstoppable and his most recent book Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness. He talks with Mark about his experience training both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant and how you can become a true winner every day.   Hear how: Your physical and mental foundation must be strong—so you can trust your body and performance. Everyone knows how to compete, but only a few know how to win. Winning takes a different approach. “Steps” to anything are constantly shifting—they are infinite. There are no steps to winning—they are constantly changing with more steps to come. Embracing your “Dark Side” is not what you think. It’s an internal fuel that lights your fire when nothing else will. Listen to this episode for some insight on how top performers win no matter what.
Greg McKeown is famous for simplifying his life and calling on others to do the same in his book Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less. His newest book is called Effortless: Make It Easier to Do What Matters Most. He is also the host of the podcast “What’s Essential.” Greg and Mark talk today about his journey and learning that the best choice doesn’t always have to be the hardest. Hear how: Training your mind to ask “How can I make this effortless?” brings results like never before It's best to “Yield to Win”— it’s not always about going the harder way Defining “What does done look like?” already simplifies the next step Listen to this episode and hear how going effortless brings you exactly where you need to be.
Today Mark talks about the five developmental plateaus for you to traverse on your hero’s journey as a leader. Listen in as Mark explains all Five Plateaus and how our overall goal is to reach the Fifth Plateau—so we can become fully connected and inclusive. Hear about the Five Plateaus: Survivor – Instinctual and very centered on the individual Protector – Extends concern to a tribe or small group—both egocentric and ethnocentric Achiever – Ambition and drive for success Equalizer – Ethnocentrism and some world-centrism Integrator – Fully world-centric Listen to this episode to gain insight on where you are in the five developmental plateaus so you can further reach your leadership potential.
Mark talks with his old friend Carmine Di Sibio who was part of Mark’s class at Colgate University and went to work for Arthur Young, which became a part of Ernst & Young. He’s worked at EY for over 35 years and is the current CEO and Global Chairman of the company. Today he talks with Mark about his career and business leadership. Hear about: Business accountability and how companies must disclose their ESG (Environment, Society, and Governance) Diversity and inclusion and how businesses navigate through the current social climate Blockchain and bitcoin and how cryptocurrency is affecting the financial landscape Listen to this episode to get insight into how a successful business leader navigates through the ever-changing VUCA world.
Tom Jones is a former Marine combat veteran and a well-known extreme athlete in the Muay Thai and ultra-endurance communities. Tom talks to Mark about his childhood traumas and how he overcame all that to become the exceptional athlete and individual that he is. Hear about: Tom’s experiences with Chuck Norris and being his sparring partner How he survived his childhood traumas and pushed himself beyond his limits His concern for the ocean and how Laird Hamilton helped train Tom to become the record-setting stand-up paddleboarder he is today Listen to this episode for some expert insight on how you can push your mind and body beyond what is possible.
Today Mark talks with Katy Milkman, professor at the Wharton School and host of Charles Schwab’s “Choiceology with Katy Milkman” podcast. She’s a frequent writer of behavioral science for The Washington Post and Scientific American. Her newest book is How to Change. In this episode, she discusses temptations and improving our chances for change. Hear about: Temptation Bundling and its counterintuitive way to make you more productive The Advice Club and its benefits to help you achieve your goals The Impulsivity Problem, the Forgetting Problem, the Confidence Problem, and how to get past them all Listen in for some insights from a top behavioral expert on how you can make a positive change for yourself and others.
John Foley is a former lead solo pilot of the Blue Angels and is now a keynote speaker and consultant at John Foley, Inc. He talks with Mark today about how you can use military communication methods and team building in business. Hear how: The Blue Angels and the Navy SEALs have more in common than you think The debrief is the single most important element for high performance Just being “glad to be here” and having gratitude is so powerful Listen to this episode to get more insight into the debrief process and why gratitude is so important—especially in the current VUCA landscape.
Today Mark talks with Steven Pressfield, an acclaimed author of historical fiction and non-fiction. Among numerous other books, Steven wrote The War of Art, The Legend of Bagger Vance, and Gates of Fire, about the Battle of Thermopylae. His most recent book is A Man at Arms, about the Roman empire and the letter to the Corinthians. Steven explains his creative process when writing and how he overcomes any form of Resistance.  Hear how:       Resistance is the main obstacle to creativity and how it’s a negative force of self-sabotage     You can overcome Resistance by staring down the wolf—an act of will We all have the Hero’s Journey—that eventually leads to our Artist’s Journey     Steven has his own creative process when starting a novel Listen to this episode to find out more about how you can tap into your own creative potential.
In today’s solocast, Commander Divine talks about the virtues necessary to become an unbeatable leader. He uses his personal experience, along with the wisdom of other leaders, to explain the virtues so you can take the next step and have the courage to apply them every day. Hear how: It’s not about what you think or say, it’s your actions that are important—especially when no one else is looking Trustworthiness is the glue that holds teams together and how you can build and even rebuild trust Integrity leads to authentic communication for a much deeper connection in relationships Humility is about removing your ego from your actions and helping others—even when it’s least convenient Listen to this episode to help deepen your understanding of the virtues and solidify them as a life practice for you to thrive in this VUCA world.
Mark knows Kimberly from the yoga and meditation community. She is a somatic experiencing practitioner and a sexological bodyworker. She is also the author of The Fourth Trimester: A Postpartum Guide to Healing Your Body, Balancing Your Emotions, and Restoring Your Vitality and her newest book Call of the Wild: How We Heal Trauma, Awaken Our Own Power, and Use It For Good. Today she is talking with Commander Divine about her book Call of the Wild and how aggression can be used in a healthy way. Learn how: Taking the stigma out of trauma is part of our human responsibility Our thoughts show our physiology—so there are ways to repair in the present moment Facial expressions are just as important as speaking when trying to communicate The flip-side to anger is healthy aggression—power, drive, and knowing what you what Listen to this episode to get a better understanding of the fact that we all have more power than we think.
Rich Diviney is a former SEAL and an expert and consultant on leadership. He is also the author of The Attributes: 25 Hidden Drivers of Optimal Performance. Rich talks with Mark about his Mind Gym for performance and the many attributes necessary for leadership in the military and business.   Hear how: There is a difference between peak and optimal performance—and why you should aim for one over the other There is an irony of leadership—“If you work your job correctly, you are out of a job” Skills are great, but attributes are greater—and attributes cannot be taught Listen to this episode to find out more about optimal performance and how certain attributes are essential to leadership and the hiring process.
Commander Divine is talking with Dr. Jennifer Ashton, chief medical correspondent for ABC News and author of The New Normal: A Roadmap to Resilience in the Pandemic Era. They discuss the value of vaccination and the terrible consequences that we’ve paid by being caught flat-footed regarding COVID-19. Hear about: The most important factors when it comes to experiencing COVID severity The four elements of prevention control and how we can stop the virus from mutating Weighing the risks and benefits between COVID and taking the vaccine Listen to this episode to get further insights on COVID and how the medical system has tried to deal with the pandemic in this VUCA world.
Today Mark is talking to Cal Newport about his new book A World Without Email: Reimagining Work in an Age of Communication Overload. Cal is a well-known digital minimalist and has been known to the Unbeatable Mind tribe since his first appearance on the show talking about his book Deep Work (Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World). Today he is talking about how email can be managed and how it has rewired our brains (not for the better). Learn about: The hyperactive hive mind—we are not truly collaborating, so we end up getting stuck With emails, we force an interaction without proper facial cues and tone of voice— resulting in unnecessary misery to the recipient How our economy is now more dependant on knowledge work—yet thinking is becoming more difficult to do Listen to this episode to hear more about how you can limit your email usage and become more productive as a whole.  
Today Mark is talking to Dr. Lara Pence, who is the Chief Mind Doc for the Spartan Race organization. She is also the owner and founder of LIGHFBOX—a tool dedicated to exercise your mind and spark your curiosity. She and the Commander discuss mental health and how you can ask better questions. Learn how: There is an often-overlooked connection between movement and mental health We must ask ourselves better questions in order to get more insightful answers Focusing on our strengths is much more effective than focusing on our limitations Listen to this episode for insight on what questions to ask yourself and how you can spark your own curiosity.
Patrick Sweeney is a well-known expert on how to manage fear so that you can use it. He is known as “The Fear Guru” and is the author of the book Fear is Fuel. After a near-death experience, he decided that he needed to get past the fears that had always ruled his life. Hear how: There’s always a crisis to deal with, but you can choose to be a mouse or a leopard—let fear freeze you or use it to overcome In the civilian world, the OODA loop also has a B for “belief”—believe in yourself Breathing has always been essential to handle fear—it’s also scientifically proven Listen to this episode to start getting out of uncertainty and thrive in this current VUCA world.
In today’s solo episode, Mark talks to us about the Sheepdog mindset and how to always be prepared. You need to be able to win in your mind before the fight even happens, and learn how to find victory where it’s really at. Hear about: Making yourself an undesirable target Developing your single point focus How uncommon resolve is required for any worthy goal. Listen to this episode to get a better understanding of how to be prepared and develop the offensive mindset to visualize victory.
Today Mark is talking to Bedros Keuilian, entrepreneur, author and speaker. He is the founder of Fit Body Boot Camp, and in this wide-ranging conversation, they talk about business, mental health, therapy and learning how to become a man. Most recently, Bedros wrote the book “Man Up: How to Cut the Bullshit and Kick Ass in Business (and in Life),” about how he survived and escaped communist Armenia and an abusive relationship with his father. Listen to this episode to hear how you can deal with baggage, so that you can get everything else in order.
Today Commander Divine is talking with Peter Treagan, well-known environmentalist and the founder of the Tradewinds nonprofit organization dedicated to securing the homeland of the Kogi people in South America. The Kogi are driven to care for the environment of the planet as a whole, and they see themselves as caretakers for the natural world. Mark and Peter talk extensively about the Kogi lands and the spiritual mandate that Peter has taken on for their preservation. Listen to this episode for inspiration and a better understanding of our own responsibility for the care of the natural world.
In this solocast, Commander Divine gives us his insight on how to deepen and expand your awareness so that you fully understand yourself and cultivate excellence. Being more aware of yourself and your daily habits is essential to thriving through these VUCA times. Hooyah! Hear how: Aligning yourself with universal truths rather than relative truths will allow you to truly lead and live a life worth living Visualization not only enhances your performance but is essential to effectively complete your mission Morning and evening rituals are the bookends that bring structure to your day—giving you the required clarity and focus Listen to this episode for a better understanding of how you can truly know yourself and have more effective and meaningful results.
Comments (11)

Paul Clough

289 with Chadd Wright - great conversation and great to be made you're part of it. well done Mark. Paul the Personal Development Unplugged podcast

Dec 24th

Zarah P

Those are a lot of incorrect medical facts. I like the purpose and concept of what Mark Divine is trying to teach but those “facts” made this podcast not credible to me. - board accredited medical professional

Dec 22nd

Nathaniel Mafenyeho Simayumbula

Richly detailed information for leadership

Oct 5th

Richard Thomas


Jun 23rd

Troy Hedrick


Jun 18th

Coral Stewart

Your podcasts are my inspiration to get out of bed and walk 10 kms.

Apr 8th

Burger van der merwe

fat adapted

Jul 16th

Matty Dransmann

I don't trust this guy. He appears to me hijacking info from Christopher McDougal's book and not giving credit. Why not?

Jun 21st

Maxwell Havins

so glad these guys finally did a show with each other.

May 7th

Narayanmurthy Jayanth

agree with you Andrew , am listening to each of his podcasts daily. I have downloaded all . thank you sir

Apr 18th

Andrew Koziol

you have no idea how you've helped me to change my life. thank you sir. HOOYAH

Mar 24th
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