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This Does Not Compute features candid interviews with leaders and experts in the fields of cybersecurity, internet governance, space policy, intelligence, and other areas of technology policy.
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In the last episode of the podcast, host Jim Lewis talks to Arun Gupta, a venture capitalist, lecturer, entrepreneur and author of ‘Venture Meets Mission’. They discuss the landscape of venture capital and government collaboration, tech innovation and overcoming a risk-averse culture.
Byron Tau joins the podcast to discuss his new book “Means of Control: How the Hidden Alliance of Tech and Government is Creating a New Surveillance State,” which reveals the shadowy networks of ad-tech startups, data brokers, and government contractors that share or sell sensitive personal information. Tau and Caitlin Chin-Rothmann discuss how private companies and government agencies are analyzing patterns in movement history, financial transactions, and social media communications—and how these actions might implicate privacy and civil liberties in the United States.
In this episode Jim Lewis speaks to former FCC Commissioner Michael O’Rielly about the future of spectrum allocation, the outcomes of the World Radio Conference, and how the U.S. can still strike a balance between innovation and safeguarding national security.
In this episode, Joan O’Hara and Miranda Lutz of the XR Association join host Caitlin Chin-Rothmann to discuss how immersive technologies could transform a range of sectors, including healthcare, defense, education, and gaming. Joan and Miranda explain why the United States needs a national XR strategy to support research and development, promote digital literacy and awareness, and increase regulatory certainty around data privacy.
In this episode, Jim Lewis and Caitlin Chin-Rothmann talk to Mark MacCarthy about his new book “Regulating Digital Industries: How Public Oversight Can Encourage Competition, Protect Privacy, and Ensure Free Speech.” They discuss the need for a new regulatory body for digital platforms, the future business model of the internet, and why 2025 will be the year of tech regulation.
Caitlin Chin-Rothmann sits down with Dr. Courtney C. Radsch, director of the Center for Journalism and Liberty at the Open Markets Institute, to discuss the state of the news media in an evolving technological landscape. Caitlin and Courtney cover recent developments related to Canada’s Online News Act, the California Journalism Preservation Act, and the U.S. Journalism and Competition Preservation Act, as well as responses from Meta and Google. In addition, they consider how the rapid adoption of generative AI could potentially affect journalists and the sustainability of news.
In this episode Jim Lewis talks with Dr. Christian Weedbrook, founder and CEO of Xanadu, a leading Canadian quantum computing company. They discuss the current status and future direction of the quantum industry, the promise of photonics-based quantum computers, and the global competition for quantum-savvy talent.
In this episode, Caitlin Chin-Rothmann and Julia Brock join Megan Shahi, director of technology policy at the Center for American Progress, to discuss how social media companies can prepare for the 2024 global election cycle. They examine how a range of platform policies—including local trusted flagger programs, language support, civic engagement strategies, and generative AI guardrails—can affect how voters view and understand information online.
For in-depth recommendations on these topics, check out Megan’s recent report “Protecting Democracy Online in 2024 and Beyond.” https://www.americanprogress.org/article/protecting-democracy-online-in-2024-and-beyond/
In this episode, Caitlin Chin sits with Jason Steinhauer, a public historian and bestselling author of "History, Disrupted: How Social Media and the World Wide Web Have Changed the Past." Caitlin and Jason discuss how policymakers and technology companies can incorporate lessons from history to address modern challenges like artificial intelligence, online disinformation narratives, and more.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks to Shannon Corless, the Assistant Secretary for the Office of Intelligence and Analysis (OIA) at the Department of Treasury. They discuss the role of OIA in the broader federal government, economic and financial security, financial intelligence, and more.
In this episode, host Jim Lewis speaks with Richard Downing, Deputy Assistant Attorney General at the U.S. Department of Justice. Richard and Jim discuss the current state of the CLOUD Act, the e-Evidence Act, access to digital evidence, and the future of data transfers between the U.S. and EU, among other topics.
In this episode, Caitlin Chin sits down with Anupam Chander, the Scott K. Ginsburg Professor of Law and Technology at Georgetown University Law Center and an expert on the global regulation of new technologies. Caitlin and Anupam share early thoughts and predictions on Threads, a new conversational app designed by Meta. In addition, they discuss how recent developments with the EU-U.S. Data Privacy Framework, Digital Markets Act, Ireland’s Data Protection Commission, and Federal Trade Commission could impact Meta's future in the European Union and United States.
In this episode, guest host Clete Johnson discusses the strategic security imperative for spectrum reallocation with former White House and NTIA leaders: senior vice president at BGR Robin Colwell, executive director of Open RAN Policy Coalition Diane Rinaldo, and partner at Wilkinson Baker Knauer LLP Evelyn Remaley. Robin, Diane, Evelyn, and Clete discuss the need for the United States to move urgently to allocate more mid-band spectrum for licensed commercial 5G use.
For additional resources on this topic, check out the following CSIS publications:
The National Security Benefits of Reallocating Federal Spectrum for Licensed 5G Use (Clete Johnson, CSIS): https://www.csis.org/analysis/national-security-benefits-reallocating-federal-spectrum-5g
Spectrum Allocation for a Contest with China (James Lewis, CSIS): https://www.csis.org/analysis/spectrum-allocation-contest-china
The Strategic Imperative of U.S. Leadership in Next-Generation Networks (Clete Johnson, CSIS): https://www.csis.org/analysis/strategic-imperative-us-leadership-next-generation-networks
In this episode, Caitlin Chin speaks with Nathan Freed Wessler, deputy director of the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, about how technological advancements have shifted the U.S. government's relationship with the private sector. Nate and Caitlin talk about how government agencies access cell phone location data and face images, as well as some related privacy, civil liberties, and free speech considerations.
For additional resources on this topic, check out:
Surveillance for Sale: The Underregulated Relationship between U.S. Data Brokers and Domestic and Foreign Government Agencies (CSIS): https://www.csis.org/analysis/surveillance-sale
New Records Detail DHS Purchase and Use of Vast Quantities of Cell Phone Location Data (ACLU): https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/new-records-detail-dhs-purchase-and-use-of-vast-quantities-of-cell-phone-location-data
Privacy & Technology (ACLU): https://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy-technology
In this episode, Caitlin Chin sits down with Emily Chi and Jenny Liu of Asian Americans Advancing Justice – AAJC, an DC national nonprofit whose mission is to advance civil and human rights for Asian Americans and to build and promote a fair and equitable society for all. Emily and Jenny discuss how false or harmful online narratives can affect the Asian American community in a variety of contexts, including elections and pandemics. In addition, they analyze various policy approaches to address the structural problem of race-based harmful or false online content, including cultural representation within technology companies, educational initiatives in schools, community-based outreach, and legislation.
In this episode, Caitlin Chin speaks with Di Cooke, a visiting fellow with the International Security Program at CSIS, about the rapid growth of synthetic media in many forms: videos, images, text, and audio. Caitlin and Di discuss the role of digital literacy trainings, platform accountability, and regulations to promote the potential benefits of AI while mitigating risks relating to disinformation, privacy, intellectual property, and ethics.
In this episode, Jim Lewis speaks with Kate Weber, Google’s Interim Global Lead for Emerging Tech Policy, and Vincent Vanhoucke, Distinguished Scientist and Director of Robotics at Google. They discuss Google’s PaLM-SayCan project, the implementation of robots into everyday life, incorporating common sense into language models and robots, and AI policy frameworks.
In this episode, CSIS guest host Caitlin Chin joins Evan Greer, director of Fight for The Future, to discuss recent proposals to ban TikTok. Caitlin and Evan talk about how a national TikTok ban could cut off a form of free speech and expression online and why some advocates are calling for federal antitrust and privacy legislation to improve the digital ecosystem more broadly. In addition, they discuss the role of advocacy to promote inclusive technology policy and what actions Congress and the Biden administration might take going forward.
In this episode, Jim Lewis speaks with Al Thompson, Vice President of U.S. Government Affairs at Intel. They speak about the implementation of the CHIPS Act, Intel’s semiconductor goals, regaining U.S. semiconductor leadership, the future of the chip shortage, and more.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Chris Boyer, the Vice President of Global Security and Technology Policy at AT&T. They discuss U.S. progress on 5G implementation, recent legislative and executive developments in cybersecurity, Open RAN integration, and more.
This episode was recorded in October 2022
In this episode, Jim Lewis speaks with John Smee, Senior Vice President of Engineering at Qualcomm Technologies. They speak about semiconductor regulations, the CHIPS Act, innovation and competition, American 5G implementation, and much more.
In this episode, Jim Lewis speaks with Mihoko Matsubara, Chief Cybersecurity Strategist at NTT Corporation in Tokyo. They discuss the current state of Japanese cybersecurity, relations with China, public-private partnerships, cyber threat perceptions, and more.
In this episode, Jim Lewis and Greg Allen speak with Walter Scott, Chief Technology Officer at Maxar Technologies. The episode discusses innovations in space technology, the geopolitical implications of these innovations, and more.
CSIS guest host Caitlin Chin sits down with Lisa Macpherson, a senior policy analyst at Public Knowledge, to discuss how the news industry has been affected by digital transformation, particularly as large technology platforms increase their market share of online advertising. In addition, they examine policy frameworks to support the news industry—including negotiation models such as the U.S. Journalism Competition and Preservation Act (JCPA) and Australia’s News Media Bargaining Code, as well as alternative proposals such as tax credits for local newspapers, non-profit status for media outlets, taxes on large digital platforms, and public broadcasting services.
In this episode, guest host Caitlin Chin joins Lydia X. Z. Brown and Ridhi Shetty of the Center for Democracy & Technology to discuss why automated surveillance technologies can pose disproportionate harms for disabled individuals. They discuss how algorithms are often built around ableist norms and standards, and why the rise of automated surveillance technologies across numerous use cases—including remote proctoring, social media tracking, and worker productivity monitoring—both reinforce risks of discrimination and present new legal and policy challenges.
In this episode, guest host Caitlin Chin, a Fellow in the Strategic Technologies Program, speaks with Zach Meyers, a Senior Research Fellow at the Centre for European Reform. They preview the forthcoming Digital Markets Act and Digital Services Act in the EU, analyze transatlantic trends related to competition in digital markets, and discuss opportunities for EU-U.S. alignment on antitrust principles and enforcement.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Carol Kuntz, adjunct fellow at CSIS and adjunct professor at Georgetown and George Washington Universities. They talk about Kuntz’s latest report on the development, best practices, and implications of the purposeful manipulation of genomes.
In this episode, guest host Caitlin Chin and Fellow in the Strategic Technologies Program, speaks with Kirk Nahra, Partner and Co-Chair of the Cybersecurity and Privacy Practice at WilmerHale and Adjunct Associate Professor of Law at American University. They talk about developing federal and state privacy legislation in the United States, recent enforcement trends in the United States and European Union, and the importance of clear boundaries on data use for businesses.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Jeff Greene, Chief of Cyber Response and Policy on the National Security Council. They talk about the development and implementation of Executive Order 14028, ransomware, open-source software security, public-private cooperation, and more.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks to Director of the Defense Innovation Unit (DIU), Mike Brown. They discuss aligning national security innovation to the work in the private sector, specifically a “fast follower” strategy to adopting commercial technology.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Andrei Soldatov, investigative journalist and Editor of Agentura.Ru, about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. They discuss the cyber elements of the conflict, the history of Russian military operations, Russian intelligence throughout the invasion, and the perspective of the Russian people, among other issues.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks to Jane Horvath, Chief Privacy Officer at Apple. They discuss privacy legislation, including cross-border data flows and the prospects of a federal data privacy law in the U.S. They also explore antitrust regulations, such as the Digital Markets Act (DMA) in the EU and the Competition and Antitrust Law Enforcement Reform Act in Congress and their potential impacts on security. This podcast is made possible thanks to the support of Apple.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Joanna Burkey, Chief Information Security Officer at HP Inc. They discuss public/private collaboration and cybersecurity from the enterprise perspective, focusing on small and medium businesses, incentives, the workforce, the role of Federal agencies, and learning from the Log4j vulnerability. This podcast is made possible thanks to the support of HP Inc.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Shane Tews, non-resident senior fellow at American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and President of Logan Circle Strategies. Jim and Shane talk tech regulation—from data privacy and protection to antitrust regulation and innovation. This podcast is made possible thanks to the support of Apple.
Glenn Solomon, Managing Partner at GGV Capital, and Jim Lewis talk about how every company, from pizza shops to clothing brands, is turning into a software company. They also discuss the importance of being a data-driven company, the transition from open-source software to commercial product, and the SaaS model.
Jim Lewis talks with Tracy Young and Ralph Gootee, co-founders of PlanGrid. PlanGrid is a software tool that digitizes construction plans and was acquired by Autodesk in 2018. They discuss their roles as visiting partners for Y Combinator, the acquisition process, and look ahead at the future of the startup world.
Quantum computing is closer than we think, and we need to have a deeper understanding of this technology. Jim Lewis sits down with Zaira Nazario and Ryan Hagemann from IBM to discuss the technical fundamentals of quantum computing, its policy implications, and how the global stage can prepare for the next generation of computing.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Ronald Deibert, Director of The Citizen Lab at the Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy, at the University of Toronto. They discuss his new book RESET and work at The Citizen Lab, the challenges presented by surveillance capitalism, upcoming regulation attempts across the world, and needed next steps to ensure a better internet.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Brian Hendricks, Vice President of Policy and Government Relations at Nokia. They discuss the state of the 5G industry, the opportunities presented by Open RAN, and the role of policy and financing in helping to promote open and secure telecom networks around the world.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Benji Hutchinson, Vice President of Washington D.C. Office and Federal Business and Brent Bombach, Director of Government Relations at NEC Corporation of America. They discuss the emerging opportunities for facial recognition use in the private sector, how the issue of facial recognition is being considered by Congress in the context of privacy discussions, and how the U.S. compares to other nations around the world in the way it has been deploying the technology.
Jim Lewis talks with Mihoko Matsubara, Chief Cybersecurity Strategist at NTT Corporation in Tokyo and a key player in Japan's cybersecurity efforts. They discuss the state of cybersecurity in Japan, how the Japanese government had been preparing for the Olympics, and the way COVID-19 and work-from-home creating new cyber risks for Japanese citizens and businesses.
In this episode, host Jim Lewis talks with Aaron Cooper, Vice President of Global Policy at BSA | The Software Alliance. They discuss how the debate around digital privacy is evolving in the U.S., how Congress is thinking about the issue, and the impact COVID-19 is having.
In this episode, host Jim Lewis talks with John Boyd, Assistant Director of the Office of Biometric Identity Management (OBIM) at DHS. They discuss how DHS has been thinking about using technologies like facial recognition to support their work, the impact COVID-19 has had on the drive to improve biometric identification, and the opportunities and obstacles DHS sees in the future.
In this episode, host Jim Lewis talks with Greg Allen, Chief of Strategy and Communications at the DoD Joint AI Center (JAIC). They discuss the role of the JAIC in helping the Defense Department improve its capacity to leverage AI, how the Pentagon is working with private industry to develop new technologies to promote national security, and where future opportunities lie for AI at DoD.
On this episode of The Technology Policy Podcast, Jim Lewis sits down with David Hanke, one of the intellectual architects of the Foreign Investment Risk Review Modernization Act (FIRRMA). FIRRMA strengthened and modernized the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) in order to better address the national security concerns associated with certain foreign investment transactions. They discuss Hanke’s work on FIRRMA as a lead policy advisor to Sen. John Cornyn; the importance of robust foreign investment review and export control policies for the 21st century to safeguard America's innovative and technological advantages; prospects for export control reforms that cover emerging technologies; and the United States' complex and evolving relationship with China.
In this episode, Jim Lewis talks with Colonel Donald Bray, former Acting Cybersecurity Director of the U.S. Army and current Director of Cyber Operations at Raytheon. As the leader of Raytheon's cyber training efforts, Col. Bray works closely with the Department of Defense to train its cyber mission forces. Jim and Col. Bray discuss the training program and how it has improved DoD's cyber capabilities; how attitudes towards cyber among the military branches have changed over time; and how cyber recruitment, training, and operations are likely to evolve in the future.
Quantum computing has been an ethereal concept for years, but what is it really? China is investing heavily in its development, but is the United States really falling behind? Jim Lewis sits down with Michael Brett, CEO of QxBranch, to dispel some of the common myths about quantum computing. They discuss how the U.S. can harness quantum’s potential, and how to face current challenges to American innovation.
Host Jim Lewis interviews Admiral Michael McConnell, former Director of the National Security Agency, and the second Director of National Intelligence. As head of the NSA during the early days of the internet, he helped set the path for how the U.S. intelligence community responded to the opportunities and risks of emerging digital technologies. They discuss how the nature of surveillance transformed with the emergence of the internet, how U.S. vulnerability to cyber threats has changed over time, and what needs to be done to confront the growing cyber threat posed by our nation’s adversaries.
In this episode Jim Lewis interviews William J. “Bill” Lynn, CEO of Leonardo DRS, a leading defense contractor, about his time as the Comptroller and Deputy Secretary of Defense. At the Department of Defense (DoD) he created a new kind of partnership between companies in the defense industrial base (DIB) through the DIB program and helped reorient DoD to treat cyber as a fifth domain.
In this first episode, host Jim Lewis interviews John Hamre, President and CEO of CSIS and Former Deputy Secretary of Defense. He was one of the first to recognize the strategic implications of cybersecurity and cyber conflict, and who helped lead the DoD in its early approaches to emerging cyber issues. He discusses the hacking incidents that first alerted policymakers to the cyber threats faced by the U.S.; the obstacles and successes in working with other agencies, Congress, and the private sector to address cyber threats; and how to chart a path towards developing structures and doctrines to manage cyber risks.
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