Thrill Of The Hill

This is a podcast about hill farming in Scotland, brought to you by the Scottish Farm Advisory Service. Scotland’s Farm Advisory Service is funded by the Scottish Government. Our podcast covers a range of topics which help support your farm or croft to be more profitable and sustainable.

Happening Organically - Supporting Organic Farming in Scotland

Thrill of the Hill is back for season 6! Armed with a new team, new ideas and a range of new speakers, Alex takes on the hot topics impacting the farmed upland environment.   Organic farming is woven through Scotland’s landscapes, from the rolling fields of Aberdeenshire to the upland pastures of Argyll. Rooted in principles of soil health, biodiversity and local resilience, organic systems work with nature rather than against it—building fertility through crop rotations, clover leys and composts, and managing pests with balance instead of chemicals. The result is more than just food without synthetic inputs; it’s a way of farming that supports wildlife, protects water and strengthens rural communities. From certified producers under the Scottish Organic Producers Association (SOPA) to advisory work led by the Soil Association, organic farming in Scotland continues to evolve, combining tradition, innovation and environmental stewardship to meet the challenges of modern agriculture.   In this episode, we sit down with two special guest speakers, Debs Roberts joins us from SOPA and David MacKay joins us from the Soil Association to walk us through the benefits of going organic, the process and how the market is developing in Scotland and further afield - in a conversation that is more collaboration than clash of the titans. We also talk about the announced return of the Agri-Environment Climate Scheme (AECS) and David reflects on his time at Scotland's first Nature Friendly Farming Summit.    Want to get in touch with Debs or David? Contact SOPA via telephone at 0300 7729795 or email at info@sopa.org.uk. Contact Soil Association via telephone at 0131 3708150 or email at contact@soilassociation.org. Related FAS ResourcesOrganics Discussion Group from the Farm Advisory ServiceRelated Other ResourcesScottish Organic Producers Association (SOPA)Soil Association

11-20
54:30

Flying Blind - Conservation Management for Bats with Harry Fisher

Thrill of the Hill is back for season 6! Armed with a new team, new ideas and a range of new speakers, Alex takes on the hot topics impacting the farmed upland environment. Bats are a defining—if often unseen—part of Scotland’s working landscapes. From the edges of upland pasture to lowland hedgerows, shelterbelts and farm ponds, these nocturnal insect-eaters weave through dusk and darkness, helping to regulate moths, midges and beetles while signalling the health of our wider environment.  Species like the common and soprano pipistrelle, brown long-eared bat and Daubenton’s bat use farms for roosting, commuting and feeding, linking woodlands, water and field margins into living networks. Yet changes in building use, loss of hedgerows, brighter yard lighting and reduced insect abundance can make life harder for these protected mammals and the benefits they bring. In this episode, ecologist and environmental consultant Harry Fisher from SAC Consulting Ltd walks us through practical, farm-ready actions: keeping and restoring hedgerows as flight corridors; creating or managing ponds and wetlands; planning yard lighting to reduce glare and skyglow; timing roofing and renovation work to protect roosts; and planning activities through the calendar year. We’ll also look at simple additions like bat boxes, how to spot signs of bat activity, where to find advice, and how agri-environment options and local projects can help with costs and guidance. Want to get in touch with Harry? Contact him via telephone at 01292 525090 for advice on surveys, roost considerations during building works, and habitat improvements suited to your farm.Related FAS ResourcesBats and Biodiversity | Helping farmers in ScotlandOther Related ResourcesHome - Bat Conservation Trust

10-16
42:02

When the Rivers Run Free - Restoring Our Waterways with Struan Candlish

Thrill of the Hill is back for season 6! Armed with a new team, new ideas and a range of new speakers, Alex takes on the hot topics impacting the farmed upland environment. The water environment is one of the defining features of the Scottish landscape, shaping both its character and its ecological richness. Rivers, lochs, wetlands and coastal waters weave through glens and straths, carving valleys, feeding fertile soils and sustaining a remarkable variety of wildlife. They provide vital habitats for species such as salmon, trout and eels, which have long been part of Scotland’s natural and cultural heritage, while also supporting birds, mammals and plants that thrive in and around freshwater. But historic practices meant to improve productive activity and improve our management of water has proven detrimental some species, obstructive them from travel up and downstream, meaning that overtime, our rivers have become less dynamic and alive. In this episode Struan Candlish from the Ayrshire Rivers Trust talks us through the actions needed to restore our rivers and the benefits and incentives for farmers, crofters and land managers. Want to get in touch with Struan? He can be contacted at Ayrshire Rivers Trust via email enquiries at struan@ayrshireriverstrust.org.Related FAS ResourcesScotland's Priority Catchments | Helping farmers in ScotlandAlternative watering for field grazed livestock | Helping farmers in ScotlandWater Margins | Helping farmers in Scotland

09-18
53:46

Getting Your Fill When Out on the Hill - Livestock Nutrition Planning

Thrill of the Hill is back for season 6! Armed with a new team, new ideas and a range of new speakers, Alex takes on the hot topics impacting the farmed upland environment. Scotland’s upland farms and crofts are home to hardy cattle and sheep breeds, producing high-quality meat and supporting rural communities in some of our most challenging environments. Yet, feeding and nutrition in these landscapes can be complex, with variable forage quality, harsh weather and limited grazing options influencing livestock health, fertility and productivity. Getting nutrition right is key to maintaining body condition, improving breeding success and ensuring the long-term sustainability of hill farming systems. In this episode Dr Cara Campbell from SAC Consulting Ltd discusses the fundamentals of upland nutrition for cattle and sheep, and offers practical advice on feeding strategies around bulling and tupping to help farmers achieve the best results for their herds and flocks. Want to get in touch with Cara? She can be contacted at SAC Consulting Ltd via email enquiries at cara.campbell@sac.co.uk.Related FAS ResourcesBeef Nutrition:https://www.fas.scot/livestock/beef-cattle/beef-nutrition/Sheep Nutrition:https://www.fas.scot/livestock/sheep/nutrition/ 

08-25
35:02

Between a Rock Rose and a Hard Place

Thrill of the Hill is back for season 6! Armed with a new team, new ideas and a range of new speakers, Alex takes on the hot topics impacting the farmed upland environment. Often overlooked and easily mistaken for its more common relatives, the Northern Brown Argus butterfly is a small but significant species found in parts of Scotland. Closely tied to very specific habitats and entirely dependent on the rock rose plant for survival, its presence is a clear indicator of healthy, species-rich grassland. In this episode Harry Fisher, host of the Natural Capital Podcast sheds light on the efforts to protect this elusive butterfly, we explore the unique ecology of the Northern Brown Argus, why it matters, and what its story tells us about biodiversity, land use, and conservation challenges in Scotland — and why saving a single species can sometimes mean saving a landscape. Want to get in touch with Harry? He can be contacted at SAC Consulting Ltd via email enquiries at harry.fisher@sac.co.uk. Related FAS ResourcesTechnical Note (TN712): Land Management for ButterfliesMonitoring Pollinators On Your Farm | Helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory Service

07-17
34:55

Planting MOREwoods - The Woodland Trust

Thrill of the Hill is back for season 6! Armed with a new team, new ideas and a range of new speakers, Alex takes on the hot topics impacting the farmed upland environment.In this episode outreach adviser Charlie Owen from the Woodland Trust discusses the MOREwoods scheme set up by the Woodland Trust. The scheme is there to allow land owners to access partial funding and advice which may will lead to planting trees on their land. Set up in 2010 the MOREwoods Scheme has supported 3000 landowners achieve their goal of planting more trees. Feeling inspired and want more info please visit the Woodland trust website and head to the Plant trees section to find out more. Plant Trees on Your Land with MOREwoods - Woodland Trust  Related FAS ResourcesFarm Woodland resources for farmers from Farm Advisory ServiceOther Related ResourcesPlant Trees on Your Land with MOREwoods - Woodland Trust 

06-19
35:21

Finding the Next Generation - The Scottish Land Matching Service

Thrill of the Hill is back for season 6! Armed with a new team, new ideas and a range of new speakers, Alex takes on the hot topics impacting the farmed upland environment.Scotland has a vibrant and dynamic farming industry, merging traditional practices with new innovations, yet barriers and challenges to entering and exiting the industry remain. Established in 2019 in response to industry concerns over the lack of new entrants across the sectors, the Scottish Land Matching Service (SLMS) offers a range of free services, providing advice and guidance, tools and signposting and a comprehensive database of individuals seeking opportunities in farming. In this episode Ian Davidson OBE gives us an overview of SLMS, what it does, who it works with and who it is looking for, highlighting some of the opportunities and successes through the initiative – across farming and crofting. Want to get in touch with Ian? He can be contacted at the Scottish Land Matching Service via email enquiries at slms@nfus.org.uk Note: This episode was recorded in March 2025Related FAS ResourcesNew Entrants resources for farmers from Farm Advisory ServiceSpecialist Advice | Helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory ServiceRelated External ResourcesScottish Land Matching Service | Opportunities in Scottish Farming

05-08
28:27

Staggeringly Good: Raising The Profile of Venison in Scotland

Thrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills.Venison, an underappreciated meat in Scotland? Despite the abundance of deer in Scotland, farmed and wild, venison has never been a staple of the Scottish diet, certainly not in the same way as beef or lamb. Scottish Government reports that the amount of farmed venison in Scotland increased by around 4.9% on the last five year average, making up 16,000 animals. That figure might sound impressive, but the Venison Advisory Service suggests that accounts for only 3% of national production, with the remainder coming from wild venison. Scottish Government reports that around 3,500 tonnes of wild venison is produced in Scotland each year and The Times suggest that around two thirds of that is used in the domestic and wider UK markets. But with such plentiful supplies of venison on our hills, could we be making more of it? In this episode Anona Gow discusses the virtues of venison, its nutritional value, cooking options, perception of the sector and reflects on her new book, The Venison Kitchen. Want to get in touch with Anona? She can be contacted at The Venison Kitchen via email enquiries at hello@thevenisonkitchen.co.ukRelated FAS Resourceshttps://www.fas.scot/publication/podcast-the-thrill-of-the-hill-deer-farming-management/ https://www.fas.scot/publication/thinning-herds-thicken-forests/ Related External ResourcesThe Venison Kitchen by Anona Gow   Cook Book  Events — Pitscandly Farm Venison     Events and Farmers Markets 

02-21
27:57

First Aid on Farm with Sean Magee

Thrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills.We're all human, fragile and fallible, accidents can occur and mistakes can be made, people can be in danger, get hurt and when that happens, be in need of first aid. The National Farmers Union reports that despite accounting for only 1% of the working population, agriculture accounts for 20% of all deaths in the workplace. In this episode, qualified First Aid Trainer and practitioner, Sean Magee discusses the importance of first aid in the farm and rural environment, including what information to provide to emergency services and the processes of seeking help, how to assess the requirements of a casualty and top tips for dealing with agricultural related incidents when they occur.  If you want to get in touch with Sean, he can be contacted at CPS Activities Ltd via email at enquiries@cpsactivities.com.Related FAS ResourcesDeveloping Safe Farming Practices - Lone WorkingOther Related ResourcesFirst Aid Training - CPS Activities Ltd

01-16
41:48

Droning On

Thrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills.Technology is always progressing, and the same is true in the uplands. New innovations mean it has never been easier to collect, measure and interpret data for the benefit of farming, nature and climate change. In this episode, Environmental Consultant, Jack Zuill discusses the potential for and realities of measuring nature, using a range of technologies, from drones and LiDAR to audio capture, speculate on the future of data gathering and the importance of having specialist input in decision-making.Want to get in touch with Jack, he can be contacted at SAC Consulting Ltd on 07584 526 926 or via email at jack.zuill@sac.co.uk.Related FAS ResourcesUAVs in Agriculture | Farm Advisory ServiceNatural Capital - Drones, Data and Decision Making | Information helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory Service

12-19
41:27

What's Good For The Goose...

Thrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills.Love them or hate them, geese are a recurring feature on farms across Scotland. Views differ on the benefits of having them, some see them as a pest species, others as a necessary component of a larger biodiversity network. In this episode we sit down with Rae Mackenzie for a broad discussion on geese and goose management in Scotland. We cover their ecology and nature value, look at the international efforts being made to promote the species and the ins and outs of Scotland's own goose management support scheme.  Got questions on goose management, contact your local NatureScot office for advice and signposting in the first instance.Related FAS ResourcesNatural Capital - Islay Geese | Information helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory ServiceGoose Management in Scotland | Helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory ServiceUnderstanding Goose Control Law in Scotland | Helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory ServiceOther Related ResourcesManaging geese | NatureScot

11-22
25:06

Taking it to the Max (MSO)

Thrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills. As climate change, biodiversity decline and food security continue to build in our collective consciousnesses the drive to find a comprehensive solution intensifies. In this episode, Chris Clark from Nethergill Associates shares his opinions and approach to Maximum Sustainable Output (MSO), a concept that revolves the ideas of natural and industrial energy, reducing artificial inputs and allowing land to revert to a natural carrying capacity, whether that is livestock or crops. Chris provides a broad introductory discussion on the concept and shares his own opinions on how sustainable land management is measured and achieved. We cover mindset change, bring energy use to the forefront and unpick to what extent it compliments existing farming approaches like regenerative farming and organics. This is a great start to the conversation around MSO.   Want to get in touch with Chris, he can be contacted at Nethergill Associates on 07969 018 324 or via email at chris.clark@nethergillassoc.co.uk.**In January 2024 the UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) published the ‘Harmonisation of Carbon Accounting Tools for Agriculture’ report, which discusses the different approaches and methodologies behind measuring carbon across six of the most commonly used tools in the UK - an overview and the findings can be accessed via the link provided.Related LinksHarmonisation of Carbon Accounting Tools for Agriculture - SCF0129Carbon Calculators - Farm Advisory Service | The Scottish FarmerWhat is the Maximum Profit Potential for your Farm? (Youtube.com)

10-23
43:34

Climate Change Catch-Up with Seamus Murphy

Thrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills.With COP26 in Glasgow well in the rearview mirror and 2030 on the horizon, serious, measurable change has to be made in the fight against climate change. With Scottish Climate Week coming up, in this podcast we hear from Senior Carbon & Sustainability Consultant and returning guest to the podcast, Seamus Murphy on the progress made by Scottish farming to address climate change. We discuss changing perceptions on climate change in the industry, the reliability of carbon markets, the need for, not just individual action but a collective led campaign to keep global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius and talk candidly about the likely impacts of not doing so. Want to get in touch with Seamus, he can be contacted at SAC Consulting on 01292 525 145 or via email at seamus.murphy@sac.co.uk.Related FAS ResourcesClimate Change resources for farmers from Farm Advisory Service (fas.scot)

09-19
46:30

Cattle Grazing Benefits: Good Messages Being Herd

Thrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills.Life as a cow is difficult and complicated, on the one hand there is a general acceptance that their non-selective grazing, trampling and dunging can contribute to diverse grassland swards, ideal habitat for ground-nesting birds etc. and promote healthy soils. On the other hand, the production of methane and relatively high carbon footprints in comparison to other enterprises can leave cattle exposed to climate criticism. In this episode we talk with conservation consultant Helen Bibby and host of the Stock Talk podcast and returning guest Robert Ramsay for a broad discussion on cattle, cattle grazing and what makes them Scotland's preferred grazing animal. Want to get in touch with Helen, she can be contacted at SAC Consulting Oban on 01631 563 093 or via email at Helen.Bibby@sac.co.uk. Alternatively, you can contact Robert at SAC Consulting Ayr on 01292 525 171 or via email at Robert.Ramsay@sac.co.uk. Related Materials https://www.fas.scot/downloads/tn686-conservation-grazing-semi-natural-habitats/ https://www.fas.scot/downloads/grazing-for-profit-and-biodiversity-grazing-strategies/  

08-22
47:42

Understanding Soil From The Ground Up with Lorna Galloway

Soil is a perennial topic, something that needs to be discussed on a recurring basis, and last time we did so was with Dr Bill Crooks some years ago now. In this episode, we hear from agricultural consultant and soil management enthusiast Lorna Galloway and talk all manner of things, from improving the uplands, raising soil pH, integrating clover, managing drainage and highlighting the support available for soil sampling under Preparing for Sustainable Farming.Soil forms the foundation of just about everything we do in agriculture, we like to think of our society as being at the cutting edge, but this is not a new idea. “To be a successful farmer one must first know the nature of the soil” – Xenophon, 400 B.C. More recently, Leonardo Di Vinci is attributed as saying “We know more about the movement of celestial bodies than about the soil underfoot”. Want to get in touch with Lorna? She can be contacted at SAC Consulting Stranraer on01776 702 649 or via email at Lorna.Galloway@sac.co.uk. FAS Related Materials https://www.fas.scot/publication/podcast-the-thrill-of-the-hill-lime-soil-health/https://www.fas.scot/publication/technical-note-tn656-soils-information-texture-liming/https://www.fas.scot/downloads/valuing-soils-practical-guidance-scottish-farmers/ https://www.fas.scot/downloads/practical-guide-soil-sampling-i-take-soil-sample/ https://www.fas.scot/downloads/farming-better-climate-practical-guide-field-drainage/https://www.fas.scot/downloads/practical-guide-understanding-soil-carbon/

07-25
36:19

A Damming Conclusion? Part II

THRILL OF THE HILL | A Damming Conclusion: Part II with Davy McCrackenThrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills. Beavers and their presence in Scotland continues to divide the agricultural community, for some they generate hope for a more nature-rich Scotland and more dynamic landscape, for others they cause damage and threaten the viability of various farm enterprises. Last year we heard a passionate take on the issue from Euan Walker-Munro who articulated the frustration felt by many in the industry. In this episode we hear from Professor Davy McCracken and cover the positives around beaver reintroduction, the ecology of the species and the opportunities brought by them. We also discuss what to do if the challenges caused by beavers are too much, what his experience was with getting a license and the need for collaboration and knowledge transfer on the issues faced.Want to get in touch with Davy, he can be contacted at SRUC on 01292 525 299 or via email at Davy.McCracken@sruc.ac.uk. Those with questions for NatureScot can make contact via beaver@nature.scot.Related FAS Resourceshttps://www.fas.scot/publication/thrill-of-the-hill-a-damming-conclusion/https://www.fas.scot/publication/beavers-translocation-ecology-and-mitigation/ https://www.fas.scot/publication/living-alongside-beavers/https://www.fas.scot/publication/accommodating-beaver-impacts-on-a-farm/https://www.fas.scot/publication/mitigating-beavers-impacts-on-a-farm/ Related External Resourceshttps://www.nature.scot/professional-advice/protected-areas-and-species/protected-species/protected-species-z-guide/beaver/beaver-mitigation-scheme 

06-25
50:49

The Farm Business Survey Part 2

THRILL OF THE HILL | Farm Business Survey: Part II with Sascha Grierson Thrill of the Hill returns for season 5, with an exciting line-up on new and returning guest speakers and specialists in their fields and on their hills.  With change on the horizon, being on sure footing can be the difference between having a successful business and not. The Farm Business Survey is Scotland's way of establishing the state of our farming communities, benchmarking business performance and generating the data that drives decision-making at the policy level. It is a free service, not costing anything other than time and provides a participant with a set of management accounts, providing valuable insights into your business, it can also be a useful way of collecting the data for those increasingly important carbon audits! It's a win, win, win for those serious about data and keen to progress their business in an informed, measured way.For those interested in participating in the survey, or if you have any questions for Sascha and the team, you can get them on 07557 661316 or alternatively you can email scottishfarmbusinesssurvey@sac.co.uk. Related FAS ResourcesThrill of the Hill - The Farm Business Survey | Information helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory Service (fas.scot)Whole farm benchmarks | Helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory Service (fas.scot)

05-30
49:06

Made it by a Hare

THRILL OF THE HILL | An iconic Scottish species and of high conservation interest, the mountain hare has a lot going for it. Years of hard work to create the managed uplands we know have also contributed to the betterment of the species and a combination of predator control and careful heather management means that it has found a home in our hill expanses. In this episode of the podcast we are joined by Robert Raynor from NatureScot and Scott Newey from the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust for a discussion on the species, its place in the uplands, conservation initiatives and the outlook for the uplands in general.Related ResourcesProtected species: hares | NatureScotMountain hares - Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust (gwct.org.uk)

03-31
34:04

Fire Action Planning and Control

THRILL OF THE HILL | Fire can be an effective management tool in the Scottish uplands, and if controlled and utilised responsibly, can be helpful in rejuvenating our upland heaths. However, fire can also be devastating for many rural businesses and with a number of factors at play, including, climate change, water scarcity, public access and total accidents, wildfires can and do happen, with ever greater intensity. In this episode of the podcast we are joined by Bruce Farquharson from Scottish Fire and Rescue and discuss prevention of wildfires, the role of muirburning and the benefits of having a fire action plan should the worst happen!Related FAS MaterialsPreventing Wildfires on Agricultural Land | Helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory Service (fas.scot)

02-29
32:50

Species in Hot Water

THRILL OF THE HILL | In a year two weather extremes the water environment has shot up the agenda for many, drought conditions put a lot of pressure on farmers and nature in the summer and heavy rains push many farmers and riverbanks to breaking point this autumn. While Scotland's rivers generally end up at the sea, they start in the uplands and catchment management with appropriate sensitivity to watercourses and riparian habitats can have huge impacts downstream and across the landscape. With recent developments, it makes sense to bring back some former contributors for a broad discussion on the challenging circumstances some species find themselves and reasons to be optimistic.In this episode we welcome back Struan Candlish, two years since the Ayrshire Rivers Trust were on the podcast. We discuss the plight of species like Atlantic salmon, get an update on the Wellwood Project and other nature restoration work in Ayrshire.Hosted by Alexander Pirie, Edited by Malcom MacDonald, Produced by Beth Errington, Executive Producer Kerry Hammond, in association with The Scottish Government.Related FAS ResourcesThrill of The Hill - Spawning Success | Information helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory Service (fas.scot)Protecting Atlantic Salmon | Helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory Service (fas.scot)Water Margins | Helping farmers in Scotland | Farm Advisory Service (fas.scot)Other ResourcesAyrshire Rivers Trust | working to improve and preserve our rivers

02-06
52:30

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