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Two Old Psychologists Talking About Stuff

Author: Dr Richard Bennett and Dr Ray Owen

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Between them, Richard Bennett and Ray Owen have accumulated over 70 years of experience working in healthcare. As clinical psychologists, they have a long history of helping people navigate the many challenges of life, providing both therapy for individuals and psychological support for organisations. In a departure from their more academic pursuits of teaching, training, and writing books, (and, let's face it, in one last desperate attempt to try and remain current) they have decided to make a podcast to share their personal and professional reflections on life.

If you're interested in wellbeing, psychotherapy, or just looking at life through a psychological lens, then there may be something here for you, especially if you're the wrong side side of fifty (or the right side, depending on your perspective).

The show will publish episodes on a monthly basis. If you want to send feedback, suggest topics for future episodes or make contact for any other reason, you can do so at [email protected]
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In this episode, Rich and Ray are joined by Paul Edwards, a retired police detective with lived-experience of seeking psychological therapy for PTSD. In an informative and often poignant discussion, Paul describes what really matters in therapy from the perspective of the person seeking help. The conversation covers the attributers of a good therapist, the small human moments that make therapy accessible, the emotional cost of sessions, and why honesty and willingness to engage in therapy matter more than anything. And, in a first for this podcast, our guest turns the tables and poses a 'Let's Ask Ray' question.If you want to send feedback, suggest topics for future episodes or make contact for any other reason, you can do so at [email protected]
Dr Duncan Gillard joins our two old psychologists to map how acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT) and contextual behavioural science (CBS) translate into work with children, adolescents, parents and schools. They unpack developmental adaptations to ACT's psychological flexibility model, why the some of the most effective interventions often happen through parents, and how flexibility skills can become teachable behaviours. Duncan outlines practical school-based approaches, notably the Connect curriculum, and how mundane conversations can target psychological flexibility in the moment. The episode balances big-picture educational policy with concrete classroom and parenting guidance for building resilience and wellbeing.Duncan's article in The Psychologist on creating psychologically flexible school communities is here, while the evidence-based, and completely free Connect curriculum can be found here.The are many more resources on using ACT with children and young people available at DNA-V International.If you want to send feedback, suggest topics for future episodes or make contact for any other reason, you can do so at [email protected]
Rich and Ray are joined by Dr Freddy Jackson-Brown, a clinical psychologist whose work straddles the fields of contextual behavioural science and artificial intelligence. Freddy speaks about how he has contributed to making psychological support more accessible to people in need through the use of AI, and we talk through some of the pros and cons of living in a world that is increasingly reliant on this new technology. This episode will help you figure out where you stand in relation to AI - are you an accelerationist, a scout, or a doomer? You'll also get to find out the answer to that question that we've all been pondering - would Ray listen to AI jazz?The Sylva family support app mentioned by Freddy can be found here. Also, you can read the Sylva validation study here.His papers on modelling RFT in neural networks are here and here.Freddy has written a couple of ACT books: Supporting the Wellbeing of Autistic Children and Young People: An Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Approach and When Young People with Intellectual Disabilities and Autism Hit Puberty: A Parents' Q&A Guide to Health, Sexuality and RelationshipsWhilst we would not normally encourage listeners to commit 'podultery' by going off and listening to other shows, if you want a deep dive into the world of AI, 'The Last Invention' is an excellent series that covers the growth of AI and many of the potential costs and benefits for society.If you want to send feedback, suggest topics for future episodes or make contact for any other reason, you can do so at [email protected]
In the first episode of the new 'invite a guest' season, Rich and Ray speak to Dr Dawn Johnson about how she applies Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT) to her experience of living with Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. Dawn speaks about her journey toward diagnosis, the impact of that diagnosis upon her, and how she has made use of ACT personally, as well as in her role as a psychologist working with other people with long-term health conditions.For anyone interested in seeking more information about Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, the Ehlers-Danlos Society is a reliable source of information and a great place to start.In the episode, we briefly touch on Ray's self-help book for people living with long-term health conditions, 'Living with the Enemy'.We also talk about the ACT Matrix, which is a way of using ACT to help make sense of a difficult situations. There is a great video introduction here, and a blank template for you to complete your own ACT Matrix here.If you want to send feedback, suggest topics for future episodes or make contact for any other reason, you can do so at [email protected]
In the final episode of Season Two, Rich and Ray discuss a core component of the Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT) approach to unwelcome thoughts, known in the trade as 'defusion'. They cover some of the reasons why our unwelcome thoughts seem so convincing and hard to ignore, and some techniques for responding to such thoughts more effectively. Our two old psychologists discuss techniques for manipulating language, for undermining the literal interpretation of thoughts, and for creating some distance from troublesome thoughts.One of the techniques discussed in this episode is an old ACT classic commonly referred to as 'Passengers on the Bus'. If you fancy seeing a somewhat more youthful Rich, together with some colleagues, doing a video demonstration of that technique, you can find that here.If you want to send feedback, suggest topics for future episodes or make contact for any other reason, you can do so at [email protected]
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