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This week, we explore the art of listening and the complexities of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram with Emily Kasriel, an award-winning journalist, executive coach, and author of the new book, Deep Listening: Transform Your Relationships with Family, Friends, and Foes. Emily shares her journey of self-awareness and the importance of deep listening in our everyday interactions. She discusses her experiences at the BBC, the challenges of listening in high-stakes situations, and the powerful eight-step approach to deep listening outlined in her book. Discover how to create psychological safety in conversations, the significance of being present, and the value of curiosity in understanding others. We also examine the nuances of the Enneagram, helping listeners discern their personality types and how they can enhance their listening skills. Whether you're new to the Enneagram or a seasoned enthusiast, this episode is packed with insights that can transform your relationships and deepen your understanding of yourself and others. Key Highlights: The concept of deep listening and its importance in today's world The eight-step process for effective deep listening Personal anecdotes and reflections on self-awareness The interplay between personality types and listening styles Don't forget to grab a copy of Emily's book, Deep Listening, and join the conversation about how we can all become better listeners! Subscribe to Typology for more insights on personality and relationships!

In this week’s episode of Typology, I sit down with Dr. Terence Lester—an Enneagram Eight, author of From Dropout to Doctorate, and the visionary founder of Love Beyond Walls. Terence’s story is as powerful as it is inspiring. From his early years in Atlanta to leading a movement that uplifts those experiencing poverty and homelessness, his journey embodies both courage and compassion. Together, we explore what it means to be an Enneagram Eight in the trenches of community work—wrestling with control, burnout, and the temptation to over-function. Terence opens up about a devastating car accident that reshaped his sense of identity, his relationship with productivity, and ultimately, his capacity for gratitude. We also dive into the intersection of action and contemplation, the influence of Henri Nouwen on Terence’s life, and the healing power of reconciliation in his own family story. Along the way, Terence reminds us that leadership isn’t about posturing but about vulnerability, presence, and the willingness to walk alongside others in their pain. This conversation is an invitation to rethink how we serve, how we love, and how we grow. You’ll walk away with profound insights about resilience, healing, and the transformative power of the Enneagram.       ABOUT OUR GUEST Dr. Terence Lester is a storyteller, public scholar, speaker, community activist and author of From Dropout to Doctorate. He is the founder and executive director of Love Beyond Walls, a nonprofit organization focused on raising awareness about poverty, homelessness and community mobilization. He serves as the director of public policy and social change and as a professor at Simmons College of Kentucky (HBCU). He received his PhD with a concentration in public policy and social change from Union Institute and University. Terence has authored four additional books with IVP, including one with his sixteen-year-old daughter, Zion, titled Zion Learns to See: Opening Our Eyes to Homelessness. The other titles include I See You: How Love Opens Our Eyes to Invisible People, When We Stand: The Power of Seeking Justice Together, and All God’s Children: How Confronting Buried History Can Build Racial Solidarity.  Terence is known for nationwide campaigns that bring awareness to homelessness, poverty and economic inequality. His awareness campaigns have been featured on ML K50, CNN, Good Morning America, Essence, TEDx, TVONE, Creative Mornings, USA Today, NBC News, Black Enterprise, Rolling Out, Upworthy and more. These campaigns have been viewed by millions of people worldwide. Terence is happily married to his best friend, Cecilia, and they have two amazing children, Zion Joy and Terence II.  Learn more about Dr. Lester by visiting his website at www.terencelester.org or follow on social media at @imterencelester or @lovebeyondwalls. 

This week on Typology, I sit down with Ginny Yurich—author of Until the Streetlights Come On and Homeschooling: You’re Doing It Right Just by Doing It. Together, we revisit the freedom of childhood play, explore how modern parenting has shifted, and talk about why kids today desperately need more time outdoors. Ginny, an Enneagram Two, shares candidly about her own parenting journey—what she’s learned about boundaries, mutuality, and the deep desire to feel appreciated. She also introduces her initiative, 1,000 Hours Outside, which is inspiring families around the world to reclaim the simple, sacred gift of unstructured outdoor play. Whether you’re a parent, grandparent, teacher, or simply someone reflecting on your own childhood, this conversation is a powerful reminder that nature has the ability to heal, connect, and transform us.     Connect with Ginny 1,000 Hours Outdoors Podcast  Instagram  Facebook Website Homeschooling: You're Doing It Right Just By Doing It Until the Streetlights Come On  

In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Alicia Michelle—an Enneagram One and host of The Christian Mindset Coach podcast—for a meaningful conversation about emotions, perfectionism, and the journey toward self-compassion. Alicia shares her story of discovering her true type, the freedom that comes from quieting the inner critic, and her practical ADD method (Acknowledge, Discern, Decide) for processing emotions. Together, we explore the importance of emotional literacy, how different types experience emotions, and why learning to govern our inner world is key to growth. Whether you’re new to the Enneagram or eager to go deeper, this episode offers fresh insights and practical tools for navigating your emotional life with greater clarity and grace.  

Ever feel like the world’s volume knob is stuck on “too loud”? In this week’s episode of Typology, I’m joined by my friend Sarah Boyd—an insightful Enneagram Four and author of the brand-new book, Turn Down the Noise: A Practical Guide to Building an Emotionally Healthy Family in a Chronically Overstimulated World. Sarah has walked through seasons of deep beauty and deep challenge—including her own cancer journey—and she’s here to share how those experiences have shaped her understanding of creativity, meaning, and the role our emotions play in living a full, authentic life. We talk about how overstimulation impacts both adults and kids, why recognizing our limitations matters, and how setting healthy boundaries isn’t selfish—it’s essential. Sarah offers thoughtful, practical ideas for creating a home where emotional health can thrive, even when the world outside feels overwhelming. If you’ve been craving a little more peace, presence, and emotional resilience in your daily life, this conversation is for you. In this episode, we explore: The beauty and necessity of emotional experiences How to navigate life in a chronically overstimulated world Simple, powerful practices for parents to nurture their kids’ emotional well-being The freedom that comes from self-care and clear boundaries Thank you for tuning in. We hope you enjoy this enriching episode!

What happens when a peace-seeking Enneagram Nine becomes the voice of one of the most beloved animated characters in children’s television? Find out as we dive into the world of the Enneagram with special guest Mike Nawrocki, co-creator of VeggieTales and the voice of Larry the Cucumber. In this engaging conversation, we explore the unique traits of Enneagram Nines, known as the Peacemakers. Mike shares insights from his journey in creating beloved children's content, including his latest project, The Dead Sea Squirrels, which is now a growing book series and animated show. We discuss the motivations behind Nines, their tendency to avoid conflict, and the importance of claiming one's voice and presence in the world. Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just curious about personality types, this episode offers valuable perspectives on self-awareness, personal growth, and the power of creativity. Don't miss this opportunity to learn more about the Enneagram and how it can enhance your understanding of yourself and others!     ABOUT MIKE NAWROCKI As co-creator of VeggieTales, co-founder of Big Idea Entertainment, and the voice of Larry the Cucumber, Mike Nawrocki has been dedicated to helping parents pass on biblical values to their kids for over three decades.  Mike is the offbeat brain behind Silly Songs with Larry, and has lent his screenwriting and directing talents to dozens of VeggieTales episodes, as well as both of the properties’ theatrical releases, Jonah and The Pirates Who Don’t Do Anything. His most recent project, an early reader book series entitled The Dead Sea Squirrels, has been adapted into a 13-episode animated series now streaming on Minno, with more books and a season 2 of animation currently in the works. Mike also serves as an assistant professor of film and animation at Lipscomb University in Nashville, TN, and co-hosts the weekly podcast, “The Bible for Kids.” Website: https://mikenawrocki.com/ and Amazon Author PageFollow on: Instagram | Facebook     

What happens when your deep longing to love and be loved gets tangled up with your need to be needed? In this week’s episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with the wonderful Emily Zeller—a licensed marriage and family therapist, certified Enneagram practitioner, and a one-to-one Enneagram Two. Emily brings such honesty and heart as we talk about desire, boundaries, and the tender places in all of us that crave connection. As we explore the unique energy of the Enneagram Two and unpack the three subtypes—self-preservation, social, and one-to-one—we ask questions we can all sit with: When have you confused being loved with being needed in your own relationships? What would it look like to offer love without trying to earn it in return? If you’ve ever wrestled with seeking validation, struggled to set boundaries, or simply wanted to understand yourself or a loved one better, you’re going to feel right at home in this conversation. This episode isn’t just for Twos—it’s for anyone longing to grow in self-awareness and bring more compassion and balance to their relationships. 🎧 Listen in and join us as we reflect, laugh, and get real about what it means to be human. And as you listen, consider: where in your life is love inviting you to simply rest and receive? Follow Emily on Instagram: @iamemilyzeller Learn more at: zellertherapy.com 👉 Subscribe to Typology wherever you get your podcasts and share this episode with someone who needs it.

Welcome to this enlightening episode of Typology! Join us as we explore the life and journey of Sister Monica Clare, an Enneagram 6 and author of the memoir A Change of Habit: Leaving Behind My Husband, Career, and Everything I Owned to Become a Nun. In this episode, we explore: Sister Monica's experiences growing up in a chaotic environment and how it shaped her Enneagram type. The unique challenges and joys of being an Enneagram 6 in a religious community. The intersection of spirituality and personality, and how the Enneagram informs her spiritual practices. Insights from her journey in Al-Anon and the lessons learned about control and boundaries. The role of fear and anxiety in decision-making and how she navigates these feelings in her leadership role. Sister Monica shares her candid reflections on her path to becoming a nun, the importance of community, and the spiritual practices that ground her amidst uncertainty. Don't miss this heartfelt conversation filled with wisdom, humor, and inspiration!   ------------------------------- Connect with Sister Monica Clare on TikTok: @nonsenseforthepeople Grab a copy of A Change of Habit today!

In this episode of Typology, we welcome Tracey Gee, an Enneagram 3w2 and author of the new book, The Magic of Knowing What You Want: A Practical Guide to Unearthing the Wisdom of Your Desires. Tracey shares her journey of discovering the Enneagram in her late 20s while navigating the challenges of vocational ministry and familial expectations. She reflects on how understanding her Enneagram type has transformed her approach to life, particularly in recognizing the difference between societal scripts and her authentic desires. We dive into the nuances of desire, want, and longing, exploring how these concepts can be intertwined yet distinct. Tracey shares the importance of self-awareness and the role of spiritual practices in uncovering what truly lights us up. Additionally, we touch on the unique challenges each Enneagram type faces when it comes to understanding their desires, and how to move from confusion to confidence in pursuing what truly matters. This episode is packed with insights and practical exercises to help you connect with your authentic self.

In this episode of Typology, we welcome Doug Lynam, an Enneagram 3w4 and author of the new book "Taming Your Money Monster: Nine Paths to Money Mastery with the Enneagram." Doug shares his fascinating journey from Marine Corps officer to Benedictine monk and now money manager, exploring how the Enneagram can provide insights into our relationship with money.  Join us as we dive into the unique "money monsters" associated with each Enneagram type, discussing how childhood narratives shape our financial behaviors and the importance of authenticity in achieving a healthier relationship with money.  Doug also introduces his innovatie approach that combines the Enneagram with attachment theory, offering practical tools for overcoming financial challenges.  No matter your type, this episode is packed with valuable insights and humor that will help you understand your financial habits and how to master them.  Don't miss this enlightening conversation that promises to change the way you think about money and personal growth.  Learn more about Doug at www.douglynam.com Grab your copy of Taming Your Money Monster Subscribe to Typology for more insights on the Enneagram and personal growth.

In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Chris Janssen, a USA Today best-selling author and board-certified coach, to explore the intersection of the Enneagram, recovery, and personal growth. Chris, an Enneagram 4, shares her journey of sobriety and the insights she gained from her experiences. Together, we discuss the unique challenges that Enneagram 4s face, particularly in relation to addiction and the feeling of being different. Chris opens up about her struggles with self-acceptance and the importance of grace in the recovery process. Tune in as we dive into: The role of the Enneagram in understanding addiction The significance of grace on the recovery journey How to navigate criticism and self-worth as a creative The power of community in recovery settings Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey, this episode offers valuable insights into embracing your true self and finding healing. Don't forget to check out Chris's new book, "Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want," available wherever books are sold. Subscribe to Typology for more episodes exploring the human personality through the lens of the Enneagram! May you have love, joy, peace, healing, and rest. Until next time!   Connect with Chris Janssen here: www.chrisjanssencoaching.com

How do our early stories shape who we become, and what would it look like to embrace healing and grace along the way? In this heartfelt episode of Typology, we welcome Melanie Shankle, an Enneagram 9 with an 8 wing and author of Here Be Dragons: Treading the Deep Waters of Motherhood, Mean Girls, and Generational Trauma. Melanie opens up about the impact of a turbulent childhood, the people-pleasing patterns that followed, and what it took for her to confront her past with honesty and compassion. Together, we explore how writing her book became a profound path of self-understanding and generational healing. Whether you’re reflecting on your own childhood, parenting, or your inner growth as an adult, this honest and hopeful conversation invites you to embrace grace, compassion, and deeper self-awareness. Tune in and discover that healing often begins when we dare to face the stories we thought we had to hide.  

This week on Typology, I sat down with the brilliant and buoyant Margaret Feinberg—author, teacher, and Enneagram 7 with an 8 wing. We talked about her new book, The God You Need to Know, and what it means to experience the Holy Spirit’s presence—not just in the highs of life, but in the valleys too. Margaret opened up about facing surgery just before her book launch, navigating the exhaustion that comes with being “on” all the time, and how her joy had to be redefined in the midst of cancer. We also explored how ADHD traits can show up in Enneagram Sevens, what it’s like being married to a Type 5, and how learning to rest isn’t easy when you live in a world that never slows down. Margaret also offered a fresh perspective on the Holy Spirit—not just in the New Testament, but throughout Scripture. It’s a conversation about joy that makes room for sorrow, faith that’s been through the fire, and a Spirit who meets us in the mess. As you listen, take a moment to consider: What does true rest look like for you? Has your understanding of the Holy Spirit grown or shifted over time? Can you recall a time when joy and suffering existed side by side in your story?    

This week on Typology I had the joy of sitting down with author Hanna Howard, an Enneagram Four with a Five wing. Hanna’s not only the author of the young adult fantasy novel Our Divine Mischief, but also a great example of how our Enneagram type shapes the stories we tell — on paper and in life. We talk about what sets a 4w5 apart — that mix of emotional depth and intellectual curiosity. While a 4w3 may lean toward image and achievement, Hanna shares how her Five wing draws her inward, toward reflection, research, and a rich world of ideas. Hanna opens up about her lifelong search for authenticity — that familiar Four longing to feel significant — and shares a moment from her college years when a single line from Twelfth Night put words to that ache for belonging. Of course, we talk about Our Divine Mischief — Hanna’s alternate-history fantasy set in a magical version of Scotland. At its core, it’s a story about belonging, something every Four knows well, complete with a wish-granting dog (yes, really). It’s a rich conversation about creativity, personality, and the longing we all carry to belong. I hope you enjoy it. And if you’re looking for a beautiful read, check out Our Divine Mischief. 🎧 Listen wherever you get your podcasts. And as always — stay curious.  

In this episode of the Typology Podcast, we dive deep into the art of conflict resolution with our special guest, James Ginn, author of the new book How to Get Along with Anyone: The Playbook for Predicting and Preventing Conflict at Work and at Home. Join us as we explore the five distinct conflict styles: Avoiders, Competitors, Collaborators, Accommodators, and Analyzers. James shares insights on how these typologies influence our reactions during conflicts and how understanding them can lead to better relationships both at work and at home. We discuss: The three types of conflict: task, process, and relational. How to identify your own conflict style and triggers. Practical strategies for navigating conflicts with different personality types. The importance of emotional intelligence in resolving disputes. Whether you're a conflict resolution specialist or someone who simply wants to improve your interpersonal relationships, this episode is packed with valuable insights and actionable advice. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the notification bell for more episodes on understanding personality types and enhancing your relationships! Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 00:10 - Meet James Ginn 00:53 - Understanding the Enneagram and conflict styles 02:08 - Identifying your conflict style 02:35 - The three types of conflict 04:20 - Communication preferences in conflict 05:42 - How to approach conflict resolution 10:01 - The role of emotional triggers 11:50 - Tone of communication in conflict 20:22- The importance of assessing conflict situations 30:58 - Final thoughts on conflict resolution and Enneagram types Follow us on social media: Instagram: @typologypodcast Twitter: @typologypod Facebook: Typology Podcast Get James Ginn's book: How to Get Along with Anyone Tune in and learn how to get along with anyone!

In this heartfelt episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with Elizabeth Husserl—an Enneagram One with a Two wing and the author of the beautiful new book The Power of Enough: Finding Joy in Your Relationship with Money. Elizabeth's story begins over two decades ago when she first encountered the Enneagram. What followed was nothing short of transformational. Her work with the Enneagram didn’t just shape her inner life—it helped heal her marriage and completely reframed her understanding of wealth. In our conversation, she invites us to imagine a richer, more expansive definition of money—one rooted in connection, belonging, and wholeness rather than scarcity and striving. Together, we explore: How the Enneagram can deepen personal growth and strengthen relationships Elizabeth’s evolving relationship with money and what it’s taught her The role of financial “DNA” and how we can begin to rewrite our inherited money stories Grounded practices for living with “enoughness” in every area of life If you're curious about how the Enneagram intersects with your financial story—or simply hungry for a more soulful approach to money—this episode is full of wisdom, vulnerability, and grace. You can learn more about Elizabeth’s work at ElizabethHusserl.com, and follow her on Instagram @ElizabethHusserl for more insights.

Have you ever felt overwhelmed in your relationships or struggled with the mental load? If yes, this episode is a must-listen! In this episode, Dr. Morgan Cutlip, an Enneagram 9 and author of the new book, A Better Share reveals how understanding her Enneagram type has shaped her approach to relationships, especially with her husband, who is a Type 3. We explore the dynamics of their relationship, including the challenges of maintaining connection while navigating the complexities of life and parenting. Morgan shares her journey of reclaiming her voice and agency, which is particularly resonant for those of us who identify with the steady, reliable nature of the Enneagram 9. One of the key topics we discuss is the concept of the "mental load"—the invisible tasks and emotional labor that often fall disproportionately on women in relationships. Morgan provides practical insights on how couples can tackle this load together, fostering a more equitable partnership that leads to less resentment and greater fun! Here are a few highlights from the episode: The importance of understanding your partner's Enneagram type to improve communication and connection. How to navigate feelings of resentment and the need for appreciation in relationships. Strategies for creating a more balanced share of responsibilities at home. Whether you're a 9, a 3, or any other type, this episode offers valuable insights that can help you strengthen your relationships and enhance your emotional well-being. As always, thank you for being a part of the Typology community. 

In this episode of Typology, we take a look at the fascinating intersection of the Enneagram and relationships with our special guest, Crista Hardin, a relationship expert and author of "The Enneagram in Marriage." Christa, an Enneagram 7, brings her vibrant energy and insights to the conversation, discussing how her type influences her marriage and her work with couples. We explore the complexities of anxiety in Sevens, the importance of understanding core fears in relationships, and how different Enneagram types interact with one another. Christa shares her personal experiences, including her journey through marriage and the challenges she and her husband have faced over nearly 30 years together. Throughout the episode, we touch on the dynamics of various type pairings, the challenges and transformations that can arise in relationships, and the significance of emotional regulation and understanding in conflict resolution. Christa emphasizes the importance of recognizing our own flaws and the value of shared meaning in relationships. Join us for this enlightening discussion that not only sheds light on the Enneagram but also offers practical insights for navigating the complexities of love and partnership. Don't forget to check out Christa's podcast, "Enneagram and Marriage," and her website for more resources! You can find Christa's website, blog, freebies, and Enneagram & Marriage podcast links at www.enneagramandmarriage.com.   PREFER TO WATCH THIS INTERVIEW?  Check us out on YouTube   ==========================================================   DISCOVER YOUR ENNEAGRAM TYPE The Typology Institute Enneagram Assessment reveals more than just your type. You'll learn your dominant wing, subtype, stance, instinct, orientation to time, and much more. Take 10% off with the discount code TYPOLOGYPODCAST today.   CONNECT WITH IAN: Website | Online Courses | The Fix Follow Ian on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn and TikTok Follow Typology on Instagram and Facebook      

This week we welcome the incredible Mary Marantz, an Enneagram 4 and author of the new book, Underestimated: The Surprisingly Simple Shift to Quit Playing Small, Name the Fear, and Move Forward Anyway. In this episode, we dive deep into the transformative power of understanding our Enneagram types and how they shape our narratives. Mary shares her personal journey of self-discovery, revealing how she once identified as a self-preserving 4 and the profound impact that realization had on her life. We explore the moments in our childhoods that made us feel different, the stories we tell ourselves, and how those narratives can either limit or liberate us. Mary opens up about her experiences growing up in rural West Virginia and how they influenced her drive for perfectionism and the need to be seen and valued. Here are some highlights you won’t want to miss: The significance of recognizing our core longings and how they shape our identities. A candid discussion on the fears that hold us back, including perfectionism, people-pleasing, and imposter syndrome. Insights into how we can redefine what a "big life" means for us, moving beyond societal expectations. Mary’s wisdom and vulnerability shine through as she encourages us to embrace our stories, both the beautiful and the painful. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to understand themselves better and to find the courage to move forward. Tune in now to hear this enlightening conversation and discover how you can start to shift your own narrative!  

In this episode of Typology, we dive deep into the world of the Enneagram with our special guest, Thais Gibson, an Enneagram Two with a Three wing. Thais is a counselor, best-selling author, and co-founder of the Personal Development School, bringing a wealth of knowledge and experience to our conversation. Join Ian Cron and co-host Anthony Skinner as they explore Thais's journey of self-discovery, healing, and the challenges of being a Two. Thais shares her insights on codependency, the importance of setting boundaries, and how her experiences with pain have shaped her understanding of personal growth. We also discuss the intersection of addiction and attachment theory, revealing how our early experiences influence our relationships with ourselves and others. Thais offers valuable strategies for transforming maladaptive behaviors and fostering a secure attachment to both ourselves and the divine. Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey, this episode is packed with wisdom and practical advice for anyone looking to deepen their understanding of themselves and their relationships. Key Topics: Thais's journey as an Enneagram Two The impact of childhood experiences on adult relationships Codependency and the importance of boundaries Healing through pain and personal growth Attachment theory and its relevance to addiction Strategies for fostering secure attachments Don't miss this rich conversation that promises to inspire and empower you on your personal development journey! Subscribe for more episodes exploring the mystery of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram.