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Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who are trying to become the best version of themselves in the world.
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As a map of our interior world, the Enneagram is meant to bring about or enable spiritual transformation. But what does it look like when we are far enough down our path to see a difference? Our guest, actor/musician and Enneagram three Josh Radnor illustrates that vision today. Josh talks to Ian about growing in his compassion for himself and others, transforming from an unevolved three to an evolved three, recognizing the tension that plays out as a three with a four wing, and what spirituality looks like for him right now. JOSH RADNOR, most famous for his role on the long-running hit sitcom HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER, also has an impressive body of dramatic work. Josh wrote, directed, and starred in Sundance feature hits LIBERAL ARTS and HAPPYTHANKYOUMOREPLEASE, and co-starred alongside Katheryn Hahn in Jill Soloway’s AFTERNOON DELIGHT, which also premiered at Sundance. Josh has also starred in numerous plays on Broadway. On television, he starred for two seasons on PBS's MERCY STREET and on NBC’s one-hour drama RISE. He is in a band with musician Ben Lee, called Radnor & Lee, and they just released their second album GOLDEN STATE. You can also see him alongside Al Pacino as the Nazi hunter Lonny Flash in Amazon's HUNTERS.
We're kicking off season 4 with a great episode! Today, Enneagram Four pop star Tori Kelly and former professional basketball player André Murillo join me to talk about how the Enneagram has impacted their relationship.  Right out of the gate the conversation goes deep into how the Enneagram fosters a better understanding of the needs of their friends and family, encourages them to respect each other’s strengths, and helps them navigate the different ways they each approach emotions. Tori Kelly is an American singer, songwriter, actress, and record producer who first gained recognition after posting videos on YouTube as a teenager, and appeared as a semi-finalist on the ninth season of American Idol in 2010. Thereafter, she independently released her self-produced debut EP in 2012, Handmade Songs by Tori Kelly. Since making her debut with 2015’s Unbreakable Smile, a widely acclaimed album that entered the Billboard 200 at No. 2, Tori has lit up the pop landscape with her breathtaking vocals and full-hearted songwriting.  Over the past year, she’s continued to captivate with her sophomore effort Hiding Place: a passion project whose R&B-tinged take on classic gospel won Best Gospel Album at the 2019 Grammy Awards.  And though Hiding Place marks a stylistic departure from Kelly’s work in the pop world, each song shows the steadfast commitment to uncompromising artistry that carries through her music.   Her husband, André Murillo is a former German-American professional basketball player who was raised in Lake Forest, California. He started his basketball career at Hamburg Towers in the German Pro A Basketball League then played for the Sea View League MVP. He currently has a passion for writing and sharing his personal life experiences.
When I first heard an Improver wrote a book titled, The Lazy Genius Way, I had to get her on the show.  How on earth does an Enneagram One, who typically can’t stop working to perfect the world and relax, come to embrace laziness? In today’s episode, author Kendra Adachi explains why it’s so important to be a genius about the things that matter, but to be lazy about things that don’t.  She also talks about the impact the Enneagram has had on growing in self-awareness, helping her recognize and find compassion for her inner critic, and adopting simple practices to help break out of the trap of her personality.  
What makes a great leader? We typically think of a strong leader as someone who knows where they are going and how to motivate others to get there.  But how do you effectively lead your team if you don’t have a clear vision of your future? On this edition of Typology, Michael Hyatt explains what a Vision Driven Leader is and why a strategic vision is the most essential ingredient in leadership, not just in business but in all aspects of our lives. Known for his New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestselling books advising leaders in the area of productivity and goal achievement, Michael is uniquely qualified with over 40 years of experience as an entrepreneur and executive to discuss the make-or-break factor in successful leadership: vision. In this podcast, you’ll discover: What a vision script is and why it’s so important How an irresistible, clear vision can rally your team How to avoid distractions and focus on opportunities that connect with your vision Listen to this great episode then make sure to grab your copy of The Vision Driven Leader: 10 Questions to Focus Your Efforts, Energize Your Team, and Scale Your Business.
This week I’m thrilled to welcome podcast goddess and Enneagram Five, Elizabeth Evans. Having previously wrestled with a scarcity mindset that kept her wrapped up in her mind, she shares her powerful story of how she flipped the script of her fear and stepped into a mindset that led her to become a successful, female business owner.  An expert in storytelling, Elizabeth shares how she integrates the Enneagram into her business, opens up about how she manages her “go-to” fears, and explains how she taps into the superpowers that come with being an Enneagram Five. Elizabeth is a podcast producer, economics fanatic and founder of Elizabeth Evans Co.  Her 360 boutique podcast studio helps creatives strategically build their show from conception to launch. Her uniquely created podcast methodology has helped world-renowned artists, best-selling authors, award-winning musicians, and impactful influencers to create transformative podcasts full of timeless, quality conversations that empower listeners into extraordinary action.  For more information about Elizabeth Evans visit her website and don't forget to check out her recently launched Podcast Society.
How many teams do you belong to?  Personally, I am part of numerous teams. Be it my marriage, my friendships, my church, my AA group, or my business, I use the Enneagram with each of my teams to reduce conflict, improve communication, and promote cooperation. It’s an invaluable tool for building stronger teams. In this episode, guests Tim and Beckie Farrant join me to talk about how they apply the Enneagram in business, in leadership, and in marriage. Beckie is a wildly successful DIY blogger and top producer for DoTERRA Essential Oils.  Tim has over 20 years in pastoral ministry and is the author of “She’s Selling What?!”  Together, they walk us through the ways they support each other and their teams using the Enneagram.
The Enneagram provides nine consistent, fairly predictable ways for us to understand and tell our narrative of how we operate in the world and make sense of our lives. It’s a tool that helps us enter into a conversation with ourselves about the recurring themes and patterns of behaviors that are self-defeating or hurtful to others. One of the themes that operates as a thread in each of our lives is shame. Next to love, I believe shame is the most powerful force in the universe, but in the wrong direction. In today’s profoundly moving, heart-changing episode, author and psychiatrist Dr. Curt Thompson joins me for a deep conversation about shame and how it plays out as a human experience for all nine types. In this episode we cover: The definition of shame… what it does as opposed to what it is Ways shame manifests in each Enneagram type How we can begin to heal shame through community About Curt Thompson, M.D. Curt Thompson, M.D., is a psychiatrist in private practice in Falls Church, Virginia, and founder of Being Known, which develops teaching programs, seminars, and resource materials to help people explore the connection between interpersonal neurobiology and Christian spirituality which lead to genuine change and transformation.  Dr. Thompson is the author of Anatomy of the Soul and The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves. Thompson graduated from Wright State University School of Medicine and completed his psychiatric residency at Temple University Hospital. He is board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He and his wife, Phyllis, are the parents of two children and reside in Arlington, Virginia. He serves as an elder at Washington Community Fellowship in Washington, D.C.
Today, psychologist, author, and spiritual director Chuck Degroat joins me for a killer episode about the nine faces of narcissism.  And we’re not talking about people with full-blown narcissistic personality disorder per se. We’re talking about narcissism on a continuum and what it looks like when each Enneagram type is manifesting a narcissistic style or type. Each of us is somewhere on that narcissistic spectrum.  In this episode you’ll learn: What narcissism actually is How narcissism shows up in all nine types, and What the healing path is for all nines types to keep narcissism in check.
Earlier this season, Molly Fletcher and I talked about her struggle to relax and turn it off. At the end of our interview, I asked her to come back after she had done some work and really dug into the Enneagram. Now, seven months later, she joins us to share how time and reflection have truly helped her slow down and shift her focus to chasing fulfillment rather than achievement. What does that look like for an Enneagram Three? Tune in to find out. Molly Fletcher is a popular keynote speaker who shares the unconventional techniques that helped her thrive as one of the first female sports agents in the high stakes, big ego world of professional sports. As a highly sought-after motivational speaker, she delivers game-changing messages to top companies, trade associations, and teams worldwide. Molly spent two decades as one of the world’s only female sports agents. She was hailed as the “female Jerry Maguire” by CNN as she recruited and represented hundreds of sport’s biggest names, including Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz, PGA TOUR golfer Matt Kuchar, broadcaster Erin Andrews, and basketball championship coaches Tom Izzo and Doc Rivers. She currently serves as a National Trustee member for the Boys & Girls Clubs of America and on the board of directors for the Intercollegiate Tennis Association (ITA) and the national advisory board for the Positive Coaching Alliance (PCA).
What better way to wrap up our series on Enneagram and Parenting, than with a rich conversation with parenting experts, Amy and Jeffrey Olrick, Ph.D. Dr. Olrick is a clinical psychologist who has worked with children and families for over 20 years. Amy is an author and human rights advocate whose work and writing has been featured in the Guardian and USA Today. Together, they run GrowingConnected.com, offering scientifically grounded and faith-informed resources for parents. Today we discuss: How the Enneagram can help parents identify and live into their strengths What the 6 Needs of Every Child are and how they feather with the Enneagram Co-parenting to meet the needs of your children with balance Tune in for some great parenting insights on connecting with your children.
Author of Get Out of Your Own Way: A Skeptic’s Guide to Growth and Fulfillment, Dave Hollis joins me to talk honestly about the lies human beings tell themselves and how those lies feather with the Enneagram.  Together, we review the most common lies people tell themselves, offer tips for neutralizing those lies, and discuss the importance of rewriting our stories to become the best, truest version of our selves. Dave Hollis is one half of the dynamic, powerhouse duo that is Rachel and Dave Hollis. The former Disney distribution chief, responsible for the relaunch of the Star Wars franchise, the Avengers series, and mega-hits like Frozen and Beauty and the Beast, left his prestigious post at Disney to lead The Hollis Company alongside wife Rachel Hollis. Their work exists to afford people the opportunity to change their lives and comes in the form of live events, film and television projects, top-rated podcasts, product lines at retail, digital education and more. For a chance to win a copy of Dave Hollis’ new book, subscribe to my email list here.
This week Dr. Russell Moore joins Ian Cron for a rich discussion on morality and authenticity. Dr. Moore is president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, the moral and public policy agency of the nations’ largest Protestant denomination.  He is an ethicist, theologian, award-winning writer, and head of the moral and public policy agency of the SBC.  The Wall Street Journal has called Moore “vigorous, cheerful and fiercely articulate.” He’s also the author of several books. In this episode we talk about: How the Enneagram helps him in his work What is his current existential angst Ways he reconciles his world when he feels misunderstood  
The Enneagram is a great tool for integration for yourself, but I’d like to encourage you to think of it as a tool that can really impact family dynamics, including strengthening your relationships with your children. When families integrate the Enneagram into their daily lives, not only do parents begin to better understand and distinguish the needs of their children, but children can also learn to recognize their own needs as well as the needs of their siblings.  Having this level of understanding creates so much room for empathy and grace for each other. One of the questions I hear most often as it relates to the Enneagram and families is, “How old should my child be before they start learning the Enneagram?”  And though I’m not prepared to provide a specific age, I do think it’s important to explore the Enneagram as a tool for young people. So, today, I’m excited to share with you my conversation with our youngest guest ever…Justice Skinner.  Justice is the eldest son of our very own, Anthony Skinner, and happens to be an Enneagram Six.  This interview is full of wisdom and clarity for Enneagram Sixes of all ages.  I hope it also gives you a glimpse into the way the Enneagram can operate in a family-system.   P.S. Looking for tips on parenting with the Enneagram? Subscribe to my YouTube channel to catch my next series on Enneagram and Parenting beginning April 27th.
Today on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome author Brian McLaren. Brian is an author, speaker, activist and theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good.           Brian is a faculty member of The Living School, which is part of the Center for Action and Contemplation, and he co-leads the Common Good Messaging Team, which is part of Vote Common Good. He is also an Auburn Senior Fellow and a leader in the Convergence Network, through which he has developed an innovative training/mentoring program for pastors, church planters, and lay leaders called Convergence Leadership Project.  His most recent projects include an illustrated children's book (for all ages) called Cory and the Seventh Story and The Galapagos Islands: A Spiritual Journey.  And he’s currently working on Faith After Doubt (Spring 2021) and Do I Stay Christian? (Spring ‘22 In today’s episode, Brian discusses how the Enneagram has: helped him understand the ways that he sabotages himself Allowed him to have grace and appreciation for each of his children Given him permission to become a friend to himself You’ll also hear how Fours can use their gifts to find their way out of the tunnel at the end of the light.
The Enneagram is complicated and nuanced, but human beings are infinitely more complex than the Enneagram. And today’s episode proves just that. Our guest, ABC News correspondent, Paula Faris, exudes a lot of energy from a few different Enneagram types.  Listen as Ian walks Paula through the Typing Interview Process to help her tease out the types she most strongly resonates with, then offers some “homework” for really unearthing her type on her own. Paula Faris is a senior national correspondent at ABC News and host of the popular podcast Journeys of Faith with Paula Faris, which gives an intimate look at how some of the world’s most influential people lean on faith and spirituality in the best and worst of times. An Emmy Award-winning journalist, Paula previously was co-anchor of the Good Morning America weekend edition, as well as a co-host of The View.
This week we continue our conversation with author, speaker, and pastor Louie Giglio. Louie is the Pastor of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus.  He and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords, Passion Publishing and the Passion Global Institute. Louie is the national-bestselling author of Not Forsaken, Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback, and several others. In Part Two, Pastor Louie gets vulnerable and shares his story of healing as an Enneagram Three. Today we cover: How to recognize when you’re heading into dangerous territory for yourself What it’s like when an Enneagram 3 hits their wall Tune in as we continue to reflect on the inner story of an Enneagram Three.
I'm thrilled to welcome Pastor Louie Giglio to the Typology Studio. Louie is the Pastor of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement, which exists to call a generation to leverage their lives for the fame of Jesus.  He and his wife Shelley lead the teams at Passion City Church, sixstepsrecords, Passion Publishing and the Passion Global Institute. Louie is also the national-bestselling author of Not Forsaken, Goliath Must Fall, The Comeback, and several others. Louie just recently learned his Enneagram type, so this week we address his questions and reflect on the inner workings of an Enneagram Three. In Part One, we touch on: How to determine your dominant wing Using the Enneagram as a “lane detection system” Balancing the task list with true self-reflection And don’t miss next week as we take an even deeper dive into the world and the redemption of those who identify as an Enneagram Three.
What happens when an Enneagram 9 stops overthinking and starts making decisions? Enneagram Nines have an incredible ability to see all sides of any given circumstance, but that commitment to find the best option consumes an enormous amount of mental energy and can leave them exhausted and stuck. However, when Nines learn to stop overthinking they can start spending more time on things that matter and that bring more peace, love and joy into their lives. Today’s guest, author Anne Bogel, gets to the heart of decision-making as an Enneagram Nine and shares what perfectionism-driven overthinking looks like and suggests a few disciplines that Nines can use to get out of analysis paralysis. Anne Bogel is the author of Reading People and I’d Rather Be Reading and creator of the blog Modern Mrs. Darcy and the podcasts What Should I Read Next? and Óne Great Book.  She’s been featured in O, the Oprah Magazine, Real Simple, Bustle, Refinery, The Washington Post and more.  Bogel’s popular book lists and reading guides have established her as a tastemaker among readers, authors, and publishers. Her latest book, Don’t Overthink It offers practical strategies on replacing negative thoughts with positive thought patterns that will make an immediate and lasting difference in how you deal with questions both big and small.
We received such a great response from all of you after our first “Mailbag Thursday,” that we’re doing it again. Today, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions from the bag for Ian to answer. Topics covered include: Whether trauma in adulthood can lead to type repression What the countertype 4 really looks like Resources on how different types process grief Tune in to hear what Ian has to say about these topics plus a few more. And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air, leave us a comment on social OR submit your questions right here.
I’m thrilled to welcome today’s Typology guest, PROPAGANDA. Prop is a Christian Hip Hop and spoken word artist/poet, political activist, husband, father, academic, emcee, and an Enneagram Three. He and his wife, University Professor Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty, also host a podcast together called The Red Couch Podcast where they cover everything from pop culture to important social issues – all with the unique perspective, insight and wit only they can bring. In this episode, we have a candid conversation about how the Enneagram has helped him identify his interior struggles and what “doing his work” looks like.  You’ll learn: What Prop loves about being a Three What triggered Prop to start “doing his work” Specific rituals Prop practices to keep him in the moment For more information on PROPAGANDA, visit https://prophiphop.com or follow him on social @prophiphop.
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Debbie Fuller

Still hoping for more episodes on type 1s. The majority seem to be about 2, 3, & 7.

May 28th
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Natasha Kovalam

Great episode! She seems to me type 3 from the very beginning. Authenticity that she talks about might actually be her virtue - she mentioned many events that had slowed her down and helped her to reevaluate things in her life. 3SP?

Apr 3rd
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Karen A. C. Goode

as an adult type 1 child of an unhealthy 4, I very much love the phrase 'your feelings are not the boss of me!"

Mar 26th
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Brittnee Love

Dear Mr. Cron (and team), I think you may have an unconscious bias against type 1s as many of your episodes include information and interviews with type 7s, 9s, 3s, 8s. I would love some more love for the 1s.

Mar 4th
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Lexie Oosse

After listening to this and being somewhat of a newbie to ennegram I think I'm a self-preservstion 2, thanks!

Jan 15th
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Andrea Bartell

Oh my, I did not realize my comments were public. I apologize for the confusion! 😬 Love Typology and the insight of self awareness that it has helped to cultivate in my inner self. Thank you for the depth of vulnerability paired with laughter!

Nov 20th
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Andrea Bartell

giving the tools to empower action for things that you are passionate about, empowering you to use your giftings and talents to change the world of young parents.

Nov 15th
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Andrea Bartell

25:00 not worthy of knowing or love

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Tena L. C. Ritter

I’d love to hear from a 6 with wing of 7.

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Andrea Bartell

44:00 CFO

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Andrea Bartell

35:00 business culture

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Andrea Bartell

19:30 values of the company

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Andrea Bartell

anxiety in digital age

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Andrea Bartell

38:30 Burnout for 8

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Andrea Bartell

37:00 Healing journey as a 5

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Andrea Bartell

34:00 blessing

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Andrea Bartell

47:00 adapted self

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Andrea Bartell

45:00 sin of auto pilot

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Andrea Bartell

enneagrammadesimple.com

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Andrea Bartell

not challanger- defender/protector

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