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Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who are trying to become the best version of themselves in the world.
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I’m thrilled to welcome today’s Typology guest, PROPAGANDA. Prop is a Christian Hip Hop and spoken word artist/poet, political activist, husband, father, academic, emcee, and an Enneagram Three. He and his wife, University Professor Dr. Alma Zaragoza-Petty, also host a podcast together called The Red Couch Podcast where they cover everything from pop culture to important social issues – all with the unique perspective, insight and wit only they can bring. In this episode, we have a candid conversation about how the Enneagram has helped him identify his interior struggles and what “doing his work” looks like.  You’ll learn: What Prop loves about being a Three What triggered Prop to start “doing his work” Specific rituals Prop practices to keep him in the moment For more information on PROPAGANDA, visit https://prophiphop.com or follow him on social @prophiphop.
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Jill Phillips.  Jill is a singer, songwriter and therapist based in Nashville who has been immersed in the Enneagram for some time now. She has a lot of wisdom to share, especially as it relates to the nuances of being a Six. Today we’ll touch on: Enneagram stances and how they impact the lens through which each type views the world Ways the Enneagram integrates with other things, such as therapy or recovery The Enneagram Six’s defense mechanisms for managing fear and anxiety Tune in to this great episode.
We all walk around thinking toxic thoughts but just because we think something doesn’t make it true.  Our thoughts are charged with emotions and energy, but they are not our enemies. If you treat them as though there is some kind of demonic force inside your head, you’re actually investing them with power they do not have.  They are not in charge of us. We are in charge of our thoughts and we have the ability to change our own narrative. In Part Two of my interview with Jennie Allen, we examine the toxic thoughts of an Enneagram Seven and how important it is for all of us to not give our thoughts too much power.
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome author, Jennie Allen. Jennie is the founder and visionary behind IF:Gathering, an organization that equips women with gospel-centered resources, events, and community so they may learn more about who God is and disciple others. A sought-after speaker, Allen has taught at Women of Faith, Catalyst, and Q conferences. She is the author of several books, including Restless, Anything, and Nothing to Prove, and her latest book, Get Out of Your Head: Stopping the Spiral of Toxic Thoughts, just released on January 28th. In part 1 of this 2-part episode, Jennie and I talk about how understanding her own strengths and weaknesses as an Enneagram Seven has played a pivotal role in learning to trust others in leading her organization while allowing her to lean into her own gifts to find happiness and success in both her professional and personal life.
Each Enneagram Type is beautiful and in its healthy expression is truly fantastic.  When Threes are healthy, they no longer find it important to credentialize their achievements, they become more community-minded and interested in helping others succeed. In Part Two of my conversation with former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam, we continue our discussion on the dangers Enneagram Threes face when they over-identify with the role they play in their job and allow perception to matter more than reality.
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend and former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam.  Bill began his career in business joining his father, Jim Haslam, who was the founder of the petroleum company Pilot Corporation.  He was the CEO of the E-commerce and Catalog Division for Saks Fifth Avenue from 1999 to 2001, Mayor of Knoxville, TN from 2003-2010, and is co-owner of the Tennessee Smokies Minor League Baseball Team. He also happens to be an Enneagram Three. In part one of this two-part episode, Bill and I talk about what it’s like to live and lead as an Enneagram Three.
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome Lisa-Jo Baker,  a former attorney and longtime Community Manager at (in)courage, podcast host, best-selling author of The Middle Matters, Never Unfriended and Surprised by Motherhood. She’s also an Enneagram Two. At their best, Enneagram Twos truly radiate the unconditional, altruistic love of God. They just sort of signal love out into the world in a way that no other type can. But they also have a hard time being able to stop meeting the needs of others which can empty their tanks and lead to resentment. Today, Lisa-Jo shares what has changed for her at mid-life, what led her to embrace the superpowers and the kryptonite of an Enneagram Two, and how she knows when it’s time for her to refuel.
We love providing you with new content and great guests each week.  But, as you might imagine, the interviews often spark a lot of questions from our listeners.  In fact, we receive tons of questions every single day. So, today we’re diving into 2020 with something we’ve been talking about for quite a while...we'll be reading and answering some of your questions on the air.  We’re super excited to finally roll out our first “Mailbag Thursday,” and we hope you are too.  Keep those questions rolling in and maybe we’ll answer your question on the next Mailbag Thursday. Thanks for listening!
Happy New Year! This week on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome my friend, Betsy Miller. Betsy is the Director of Finance for Storybrand and also serves as the chairman of the Board of Directors for RESCUE: Freedom International, an organization that is a leading force in the rescue and restoration of survivors of human trafficking. Betsy and I take a look into the mind of an Enneagram Six, or The Loyalist.  Enneagram Sixes tend to doubt the commitment of others, have difficulty making decisions without outside input, and always consider the worst-case scenario. Tune in as we explore the Loyalists' basic fear and provide some great tips to help Sixes learn to accept anxiety and doubt on their journey toward health.
The Enneagram allows us to build and sustain healthy relationships by appreciating and understanding our own motivations and behaviors as well as those of our friends and family.  In today’s episode, the Cron family gathers over the holidays to discuss how the Enneagram has helped them grow closer and better understand each other. Listen as they share how their family finds balance and appreciation among each other.   
This week we’re taking a break to enjoy the holidays with our friends and families.  So, we're replaying last year’s episode where we give suggestions for the perfect Christmas gift for each Enneagram type.  We wish you a fabulous couple of weeks and we’ll kick off 2020 with some great new interviews.  Happy Holidays!
This week I continue my insightful conversation with singer-songwriter, Amanda Cook. Amanda is a worship leader at Bethel Church and with Bethel Music, GMA Dove Award Winner for Inspirational Album of the Year, and winner of three Covenant Awards from GMA Canada, including Female Vocalist of the Year, Song of the Year, and Praise and Worship Song of the Year for You Make Me Brave. In this episode, Amanda and I explain: the gift and grip of grief the Fives’ defense mechanism of isolation the importance of staying present in the moment This conversation brings so much light and clarity to the construction of the Enneagram Five’s personality.  You don’t want to miss it.
This week on Typology, I welcome a very special Enneagram Five who has done her work and beautifully wraps her words around her experience as a Five.  Our guest, Amanda Lindsey Cook is a singer-songwriter, worship leader at Bethel Church and with Bethel Music, GMA Dove Award Winner for Inspirational Album of the Year, and winner of three Covenant Awards from GMA Canada, including Female Vocalist of the Year, Song of the Year, and Praise and Worship Song of the Year for You Make Me Brave. In this episode, Amanda Cook: Shares how music helps her connect with her feelings Describes the important practice of embodiment Reveals the sacred rhythm of an Enneagram Five Our conversation was so rich, we made this a two-part episode.  So, tune in next week as we continue our dive into the attic of Amanda’s mind. And to add to this amazing episode, I’m super excited to announce that Anthony and I are taking Typology on the road.  I’ll be hosting the first-ever LIVE recording of Typology at the Balboa Theater in San Diego on March 21st. I’ll share more details in the upcoming weeks but in the meantime, mark your calendars for the ticket pre-sale opening next Wednesday at 12:00 pm Central Time. Stay tuned on TypologyPodcast.com or on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter.
In Part two of my conversation with John Mark Comer—author, speaker, pastor, and Enneagram One—we continue our discussion about the Enneagram and why it’s so important to eliminate hurry from our lives. When you think about it, when you feel listened to and attended to, you feel loved by a person. But when we rush from one thing to another, we are unable to focus our attention on those we love most and our relationships are negatively impacted. If instead, we learn to live in a different space than hurry, the love, peace, and serenity we’re really after will follow.
What do you pay attention to? When each of us walks into a room, the focus of our attention is different.  An Enneagram Two might look for who they can connect with, an Enneagram Four might focus on what’s missing in the room, and an Enneagram One might notice what needs to be fixed.  But who is that Two not connecting with?  What is in the room that the Four is not appreciating?  And what is right in the room that the One doesn’t need to fix? Today on Typology, I begin my conversation with John Mark Comer—author, speaker, pastor, and an Enneagram One—about the importance of “paying attention to what is” and how the Enneagram has taught him to stop and ask the right questions in order to grow and mature throughout his own spiritual journey.   And don't miss next week, when we continue our conversation in Part Two!
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Al Andrews. Al is not only a great counselor, author, and speaker, but he is also the director of Porter’s Call, a non-profit offering counsel, support and encouragement to recording artists and their families. Al gives voice to what it’s like to be a healthy two and how important it is for each of us to face our sorrows in order to heal from our brokenness. We also touch on: What makes a truly great helper The superpower of a Two The dark side of a Two And you’ll also hear some great self-awareness questions for Twos to ask themselves on their journey toward health.
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my good friend, Andrew Peterson—award-winning singer-songwriter and author. His newest book, Adorning the Dark, just released on October 15, and his 20th Anniversary Behold the Lamb of God Tour is going on now through the end of December. As two Enneagram Fours, Andrew and I get personal about the strengths and weaknesses of our type and how it has impacted our lives over the years. In this episode, you’ll hear about the Enneagram Four’s: True gifts to the world Inner critic and how it plays out in daily life Characteristic traits and what to watch out for You’ll also learn an important tip of what NOT to do when a four is melancholic.  It will change how you approach the fours in your life.  
This week on Typology, I’m thrilled to welcome my good friend, Donald Miller—best-selling author of Building a StoryBrand, creator of the brand new Business Made Simple University, and Enneagram Type 3. Don and I have talked about the Enneagram before—mostly from a business perspective. But in this episode, I invited him to get personal and vulnerable, and he graciously obliged. Learn how self-awareness helped Don move from: Insecure to confident Feeling like an outsider to knowing he’s accepted “Unreal” to “real” Living from a victim mentality to owning his own success and happiness You’ll also get to hear about his powerful formula for interrupting self-limiting thoughts (You’ll want to apply it to your own life today!) and I reveal a massive mistake people make along their journey to self-awareness. I hope you’ll listen in. P.S. At the start of the episode, Don mentions that when he finds a particularly helpful book, he immediately goes looking for an online course. As a visual learner, experiencing the content through videos helps him better integrate what he’s learned. If that sounds familiar, Enneagram Made Simple is perfect for you! And here’s an amazing bonus: When you buy Enneagram Made Simple, you get ongoing access to Business Made Simple University—an online learning platform Don and his team at StoryBrand have just launched to help you develop yourself both personally and professionally—all for just $275/year. I’m genuinely excited for you to join me on this journey. Let’s figure out this thing called life—together.
This week Ian welcomes back Becca Stevens--author, priest, and founder/president of Thistle Farms.  Last week, they began to explore Becca’s resistance to the Enneagram. But today, Ian walks Becca through the process of discovering her Enneagram type. This episode is full of great insights for anyone looking to figure out their type. So, regardless of where you are in the process, what type you are, what type your friends are or your spouse is, you're going to find a lot of really helpful information by the end of the show.   
This week on Typology, I’m excited to welcome my friend, Mark Batterson—author of 17 books including The New York Times bestseller The Circle Maker, founder and lead pastor of National Community Church, and an Enneagram 3. In this episode, I invite Mark to get personal about his ministry and his marriage. Learn what the Enneagram taught Mark about: "Performing" grace The cure for the fear of failure How we identify and connect with others when we revealing our own challenges and struggles At the end, I also share a few growth tips for threes and Mark talks about his new book, Double Blessing: How to Receive It. How to Give It.
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Lexie Oosse

After listening to this and being somewhat of a newbie to ennegram I think I'm a self-preservstion 2, thanks!

Jan 15th
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Andrea Bartell

Oh my, I did not realize my comments were public. I apologize for the confusion! 😬 Love Typology and the insight of self awareness that it has helped to cultivate in my inner self. Thank you for the depth of vulnerability paired with laughter!

Nov 20th
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Andrea Bartell

giving the tools to empower action for things that you are passionate about, empowering you to use your giftings and talents to change the world of young parents.

Nov 15th
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Andrea Bartell

25:00 not worthy of knowing or love

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Tena L. C. Ritter

I’d love to hear from a 6 with wing of 7.

Nov 15th
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Andrea Bartell

44:00 CFO

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Andrea Bartell

35:00 business culture

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Andrea Bartell

19:30 values of the company

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Andrea Bartell

anxiety in digital age

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Andrea Bartell

38:30 Burnout for 8

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Andrea Bartell

37:00 Healing journey as a 5

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Andrea Bartell

34:00 blessing

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Andrea Bartell

47:00 adapted self

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Andrea Bartell

45:00 sin of auto pilot

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Andrea Bartell

enneagrammadesimple.com

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Andrea Bartell

not challanger- defender/protector

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Andrea Bartell

45:55 me

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Kelly Hertz

I love the shows that have couples that are different types. I would love some insight on a 2 and 3 relationship

Sep 25th
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Leah Perrien

This episode was life changing for me! As a 5w4 I've never felt more understood than when Andy talked about people "eating his face." I've never been able to put that feeling into words until now.

Sep 6th
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Sharon Ambler

Relate so much to the "5 ness" of Dr Richard. Have had my doubts based on how I've heard other 5's self describing. This has been so helpful. "Explorer" is the acurate word for my "5 ness". More active & less passive. Hope to hear more from him.

Sep 3rd
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