Uncomfy: Sticking with Moments That Challenge Us

As a columnist for the New York Times, David French is used to public criticism. And he's used to sometimes getting things wrong, too. “At 55, I want to be a better person than I was when I was 35 or 25 or 15. So, if we're actually growing as human beings, we should be able to point back to multiple things that we concretely got wrong.” French shares the story of changing his mind on a hot button issue and telling the world about it in an article titled, “Why I Changed the Way I Write about Police Shootings.” He also offers insights on how to navigate the shame and embarrassment that can come when you have to admit you’re wrong. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: David French’s New York Times profile - https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french David French’s book, Divided We Fall: America's Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation - https://www.amazon.com/Divided-We-Fall-Americas-Secession/dp/1250201977 David French’s September 2024 speech he gave at BYU - https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/david-french/why-america-went-crazy-and-how-you-can-stay-sane/ David French’s article on why he changed the way he writes about police shootings - https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/police-shootings-david-french-changed-writing/ Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast Bluesky - https://bsky.app/profile/uncomfypodcast.bsky.social X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod

Tracy Saad spent her whole life avoiding politics, until the 2019 Lebanese revolution made her have a change of heart. She joined a nonprofit effort to educate and register voters where she faced the discomfort of realizing she had a lot of learning about politics to make up for and had to get comfortable saying, "Can you simplify that for me, please?" Fueled by this experience, Saad, a lifelong expat and CEO of Commence Games, created Commence Games, which designs card games for political engagement that are fun for all ages and perspectives. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!?????? Related Links: Commence Games Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/commence.games/ Commence Games Website - https://www.commence.games/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

After a series of mistakes on the field led to an embarrassing loss for the middle school boys’ soccer team he coaches, Shawn Tucker found himself wrestling with feelings of shame, self-blame, and the temptation to deflect his discomfort onto others. Rather than giving in to anger or excuses, Shawn chose to sit with his feelings of embarrassment, using the moment to learn and reassess his priorities. Shawn Tucker is a professor of Humanities at Elon University and author of several books, including Humility: An Approach. He listened to Uncomfy and reached out to us to share his story—and you can, too! Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Shawn Tucker’s book, Humility: A Practical Approach - https://www.amazon.com/Humility-Practical-Approach-Shawn-Tucker/dp/1948218453 Shawn Tucker Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/shawnlocotucker/ Top of Mind episode on Humor - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-funny-or-offensive-why-its-so-hard-to-draw-the-line-in-humor Follow us on social media!   Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

When an articulate critic in a Facebook group challenged his long-held Conservative beliefs, Brian Parrish, exhausted by years of echoing the same arguments and encouraged by his brother, chose to begin engaging openly with opposing perspectives. This encounter sparked a journey of self-reflection and learning, transforming his approach to dialogue with people he once saw as the enemy. Brian Parrish is host of the podcast Parrish the Thought. He listened to Uncomfy and reached out to us to share his story—and you can, too! We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!?????? Related Links: Parrish the Thought Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/parrishthethoughtpodcast/ Parrish the Thought Podcast Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2899743416752915/ Parrish the Thought Podcast Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/parrish-the-thought/id1348128086 Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -?https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Meet the teams behind Top of Mind and Uncomfy in this special crossover episode, where we share stories of sticking with a challenging perspective while working on the shows. We are exposed to a lot of nuanced viewpoints as we put podcast episodes together, which gives us the perfect opportunity to practice what we preach: choosing to lean into discomfort instead of lashing out or shying away. We’ve found clarity about our own beliefs, empathy for the people around us, and also developed the skills to tackle tough conversations. Tune in to Top of Mind to practice engaging with important, complicated topics. Check out Uncomfy, too, where we’re sharing stories of people choosing to engage in an uncomfortable moment instead of stepping back. And if you’ve had an “Uncomfy” experience lately, share it with us by emailing uncomfy@byu.edu. Guests: Top of Mind producers - Alayna Beck, Caleb Leach, Vanessa Goodman, and James Hoopes. Uncomfy producers - Samuel Benson and Henrique Prado. Related Links: What Does it Mean to Be White in America?: https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-what-does-it-mean-to-be-white-in-america The Changing Ways We Decide Who Gets into College and Why it Matters: https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-the-changing-way-we-decide-who-gets-into-college-and-why-it-matters Why We’re So Anxious About Retirement in America — And How We Can Fix It: https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-why-were-so-anxious-about-retirement-in-america-and-how-we-can-fix-it What Can We Do About America’s Money in Politics Problem?: https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-what-can-we-do-about-americas-money-in-politics-probl Spending a Day with People Who Think You Hate Them – Jefferson Shupe: https://www.byuradio.org/e14-spending-a-day-with-people-who-think-you-hate-them-jefferson-shupe

While making plans for his upcoming film, things got a lot more complicated and uncertain for filmmaker Nicholas Ma when his collaborator insisted on carrying out their production in a city that was both unfamiliar and potentially unwelcoming to Ma. Would he choose to walk away? Nicholas Ma is the director of the new film, Leap of Faith, and producer of the award-winning documentary, Won’t You Be My Neighbor. He is also the son of world-renowned cellist, Yo-Yo Ma. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!?????? Related Links:??? Leap of Faith website - https://leapoffaithmovie.com/ Leap of Faith Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/leapoffaithmovie/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -?https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

After having had hundreds of conversations with people across the political aisle, one persistent conversation partner would test David Kaufman’s resolve to stick with it. David Kaufman is a Conservative political commentator from South Carolina who has participated in more Braver Angels Red/Blue one-on-one conversations than anyone else. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!?????? Related Links:??? Braver Angels 1:1 Conversations: https://braverangels.org/online/1-1-conversations/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -?https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

While contracting with a nonprofit, Carrie Hill made the choice to stop looking away from the difficult reality of child abuse in her community. Hill, a PR/marketing consultant and co-creator of InPowered, shares her pivotal moment of realization and the importance of educating the public. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Carrie’s company, CHill Consulting Agency - https://chillconsultingagency.my.canva.site/chill-consulting-agency Carrie’s Tik Tok, @stopdivorcedrivenpoverty - https://www.tiktok.com/@stopdivorcedrivenpoverty The Friends, nonprofit supporting the Children’s Justice Center of Salt Lake County - https://www.friendsofcjc.org/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X -?https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

At a conference on race, Christine Saxman, a White woman, faced a tough moment when another attendee, who was Black, questioned her intentions and efforts. How did she respond? Saxman, who co-authored Being White Today: A Roadmap for a Positive Anti-racist Life, shares how this conversation sparked deeper self-awareness and shaped her path as a racial justice and equity advocate. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Christine’s Website –?https://christinesaxman.com/ Christine’s LinkedIn -?https://www.linkedin.com/in/christine-saxman/ Christine's Book, Being White Today: A Roadmap for a Positive Antiracist Life -?https://www.amazon.com/Being-White-Today-Positive-Antiracist/dp/1475870558 Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -?https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

After a heated debate left him questioning his approach, Jefferson Shupe attended an immigration rally, where he expected hostility but found something entirely different: people with fears, hopes, and stories that echoed his own. Shupe, author of The Bathwater Brigade, shares the challenges of confronting his own biases and the surprising empathy that emerged from stepping outside his ideological bubble. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Shupe’s book, The Bathwater Bridge – https://bathwaterbrigade.com/ Top of Mind episode on immigration and America’s labor shortage - https://www.byuradio.org/top-of-mind-immigration-and-americas-labor-shortage-are-guestworkers-the-solution Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

A college research project on Thomas Jefferson, which involved analyzing and defending opposing viewpoints, made Michael Birdyshaw have to face some uncomfortable truths. This experience would shape her teaching methods and her approach to coaching, emphasizing the importance of curiosity, compassion, and critical thinking. Michaela Birdyshaw is a leadership and communication coach and host of the podcast, “And All the Things.” We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Michaela’s Website – https://myjoycoach.com/ Michaela’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/myjoycoach/ More from Michaela - https://linktr.ee/JoyInc Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Finding herself in a middle seat on a flight home, Jazzalyn Livingston was engaged in a conversation with her seatmate. What started as a casual conversation quickly shifted to topics like gun rights, community and police violence. Despite initial discomfort and assumptions based on political differences, Livingston, who serves as National Program Director for the One America Movement and co-founder of Black Girls Leadership Academy, chose to listen carefully and set her assumptions aside, leading to an unexpected realization of shared values. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: One America Movement – https://www.oneamericamovement.org/ Faith Over Division Tour – https://www.faithoverdivisiontour.org/ Black Girls Leadership Academy - https://www.linkedin.com/company/black-girls-leadership-academy/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

After pouring years of passion and expertise into her latest book in hopes of inspiring a shift in how people collaborate and connect, Diana McLain Smith, organizational behavior expert and author of several books including her latest, Remaking the Space Between Us, was hit with a hard truth from her strategist: "People aren't buying what you're selling." The unexpected critique forced Smith to confront her own assumptions and reconsider her approach. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast, and we’ll share it! Related Links: Remaking the Space Between Us Website – https://www.remakingthespace.org/ Diana McLain Smith LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/diana-smith-bb8b505/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Tired and ready to be off her late-night flight, Piper Hendricks, founder of Stories Change Power, was caught off guard when her seatmate initiated an uncomfortable conversation, dismissing her deeply personal practice of writing letters to herself. As the discussion veered towards controversial topics, including political and social issues, Hendricks chose to engage with curiosity rather than defensiveness. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it! Related Links: Stories Change Power Website – www.storieschangepower.com Stories Change Power LinkedIn – www.linkedin.com/company/stories-change-power/ Piper’s LinkedIn – www.linkedin.com/in/piperhendricks/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Despite a successful career on Wall Street, Erik DaRosa lived with severe anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and PTSD. After suffering a dissociative episode, DaRosa made the life-changing decision to seek help, and it wasn’t until he sat across from a therapist for the first time that he began to finally share everything he’d been keeping inside. DaRosa shares how breaking his silence not only led to his healing but also empowered him to help others find their voices. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!?????? ??? From Survivor to Thriver Website – www.fromsurvivortothriver.com U-MOST - https://u-most.com/ Erik’s Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/skisherpa/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

When James Coan, a Liberal, decided to attend the Conservative Political Action Committee—one of the biggest conservative gatherings in the U.S.—his apprehension was high. Coan, co-founder and executive director of More Like Us, was on a quest to promote the idea that we are more similar than we think, despite our politically charged environment. But just showing up to the event wouldn't be enough. Coan was determined to face a task he found particularly daunting—engaging with conservative media personalities and pitching the mission of More Like Us. Initial interactions were tense and filled with uncertainty. Coan decided to stick with the discomfort. But would it pay off? We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!?????? More Like Us Website – www.morelikeus.org Similarity Hub Website – allsides.com/similarity Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Just a few months after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, the people of Newtown, CT, needed to decide what to do with the old school building. Rich Harwood, the president and founder of the Harwood Institute, was called in to help. Harwood questioned whether he was up to this enormous task, but ultimately accepted the assignment. But the complexity of making that decision was beyond what anyone could have imagined. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!?? The Harwood Institute - https://theharwoodinstitute.org/ “Enough. Time to Build.” 2024 Civic Campaign – https://theharwoodinstitute.org/build Richard Harwood’s LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardcharwood/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/??? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/??? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast??? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast??? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod??? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Meisha Lerato and her all-Black group of friends were relaxing at a hotel pool when a group of rambunctious boys began splashing and rough housing, disrupting their peace. Feeling disrespected and sensing racial undertones, Meisha decided to confront the white man supervising the boys. The encounter had the potential to escalate quickly. What happened ended up changing the trajectory of Meisha's life. Meisha Lerato is the founder of nonprofit I Am We Are. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!????? Meisha Lerato Instagram Profile - https://www.instagram.com/meishalerato/ I Am, We Are Instagram Profile - https://www.instagram.com/iamweareyouth/ I Am, We Are website - https://www.iamweareyouth.org/ Follow us on social media!?? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast?? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Preston Brightwell and Madeleine Jones, Field Directors at The Dignity Index, found themselves in a heated discussion over the use of a single word in their project's tagline—"patriotism." Preston, a conservative, and Madeleine, a liberal, discuss how their differing views on the term led to a moment of tension, assumptions, and eye-rolling that threatened to derail their project entirely. Hear them discuss how this disagreement ultimately became an opportunity to practice what they preach about dignity and curiosity. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it! The Dignity Index website – https://www.dignityindex.us/ Students For Dignity Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/studentsfordignity/ Julie’s other podcast, Top of Mind - https://www.byuradio.org/topofmind Follow us on social media! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/ Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast X - https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast

Richard Craft—former healthcare leader and host of The Men of the House podcast—shares a defining moment from his career when a casual remark to some of his employees led to a formal write-up. Richard reflects on his journey of embracing humility and taking ownership of his actions and how this experience transformed his leadership style. We’d love to hear about an Uncomfy moment you’ve experienced. Can you think of a time when you felt your perspective or worldview challenged and instead of getting defensive or bailing out, you chose to lean into the discomfort and stick with it – and you’re glad you did? Email your story to uncomfy@byu.edu or share it on Instagram and tag us @uncomfy.podcast and we’ll share it!??? Richard’s Podcast, The Men of the House – https://www.youtube.com/@RichardPCraft The Men of the House Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/themenofthehousepodcast/ Julie’s other podcast, Top of Mind – https://www.byuradio.org/topofmind Follow us on social media!? Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TheUncomfyPod/?? Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/uncomfy.podcast/?? Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@theuncomfypodcast?? YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@Uncomfy.Podcast?? X -? https://x.com/TheUncomfyPod?? Threads - https://www.threads.net/@uncomfy.podcast