Underground Strategy

In this edition of Underground Strategy, Max Lauker and Tony Garcia welcome historian Karen Horn, who brings her extensive research on prisoners of war (POWs) to the podcast. Karen shares insights from her books, In Enemy Hands and Prisoners of Jan Smuts, exploring the lives and experiences of POWs from WWII. Through her detailed research and personal interviews, Karen uncovers stories that reveal both the resilience and humanity of those who endured captivity.During this engaging conversation, Karen discusses her unique approach to historical writing, focusing on the stories of individuals to convey the larger experience of POWs. She shares some memorable anecdotes from her interviews, reflecting on the humor, resilience, and challenges that POWs expressed during her research. From Italian POWs in South Africa to South Africans captured by the Germans, Karen’s work offers a rich look at the human element of wartime.As POWs remain a constant through centuries of conflict, Karen’s stories resonate in today’s context, reminding us of the enduring complexities of war. We look forward to having her back.Karen's books are available in South Africa in all good book stores, and abroad at:Prisoners of Jan Smuts: https://amzn.eu/d/2zaQO9MIn Enemy Hands: In Enemy Hands: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1868426513 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Episode 3 of our limited series on Number 788, hosted and produced by South African media figure Desmond Latham. Known for his History of South Africa podcast, Desmond brings his deep experience and sharp perspective to this series, guiding listeners through the pivotal events that shaped Max Lauker’s journey into Swedish special operations.In this episode, Desmond and Max dive into the transition from intense training to high-stakes operations, revealing some of the unorthodox, unsanctioned missions that came Max’s way. Max recounts his time in the UK for close-protection training, where he found himself unexpectedly assigned as security detail for a Russian oligarch—complete with food-tasting duties to safeguard against potential poisoning. It’s a unique look at the blend of humor and tension that marked the early years of his career.Moving on to Latin America, Max describes his initial assignments in Panama, where he was tasked with preparing for future operations and forging local and international connections. Desmond’s insightful questions help unravel the complexities of conducting off-the-books missions abroad, from extractions in Venezuela to joint operations with Colombian forces. These experiences gave Max a foundation in adaptable, real-world tactics, shaping the way he approached later sanctioned missions.The episode wraps up with a discussion of the political dynamics behind Sweden’s special operations. Desmond and Max discuss the significance of Sweden’s proactive role during the Balkans deployment, a pivotal assignment that strengthened Sweden’s credibility within NATO-aligned intelligence circles and set the stage for a strategic shift in their operations.In the next episode, Max will delve deeper into his boots-on-the-ground experiences in the Balkans, leading into deployments in Afghanistan and Iraq.Links:Desmond Latham’s Blog: https://desmondlatham.blog/History of South Africa Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2uDa0tQjGe3GpFKDGjMMAm?si=2d2812af232742daNumber 788 on Amazon: https://a.co/d/is4FcIx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Max and Tony are back, tackling a classic debate: are we all carrying too much kit? In this episode, they dig into the question of what’s truly essential versus what might just be extra baggage. From old-school rain gear to today’s “must-have” gadgets, they share insights on how to find the right balance without diving into a laundry list of gear. The conversation might make you rethink that overstuffed bag!They also catch us up on the latest from Underground Strategy. Recent War Diaries features have brought fresh voices to the fold, with former diplomat Peter de Clercq sharing insights on global conflict zones and cybersecurity expert Hex diving into the digital battlespace. If you haven’t read these new narratives yet, now’s the time to catch up in the War Diaries section.Beyond that, there’s plenty in the works: Tony is collaborating with retired Brigadier General Sereko on memoirs that cover over 40 years of service, while Max is deep into his next book, including a compelling project with South African veteran Bob Newland on his time with the London recruits.Stay tuned for some exciting podcast episodes as we head into the holidays. And, if you have suggestions for themes or guests, reach out—your input could inspire an upcoming episode!And don’t miss the Sunday SitRep! This quick-read, biweekly newsletter keeps you updated on recent military developments. Subscribe on our website to get the latest delivered straight to your inbox.Until next week, keep it light on the kit and ready for action!Links:War Diaries - https://undergroundstrategy.com/narratives/Combat Diaries - https://undergroundstrategy.com/combat-diaries/Sunday Sitrep - https://undergroundstrategy.com/sunday-sitrep/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome back to the second episode of our limited series on the making of Number 788, hosted and produced by South African media figure Desmond Latham. This in-depth series explores the experiences that led Max Lauker, co-authored with Tony Garcia, to write Number 788: My Experiences in Swedish Special Operations. This episode dives into Max’s journey from early training in the Swedish Armed Forces to unexpected assignments, shedding light on the rigorous world of special operations and the mental challenges it demands.Starting with why he was inspired to finally put his experiences to paper, Max recounts his first exposure to military life and the initial stages of training with Swedish Special Purpose Units. In conversation with Des, he shares insights into the mental resilience and adaptability required to transition from basic training to an advanced special operations unit. Max recalls the reality of special operations training, breaking down misconceptions and explaining how long hours, grit, and relentless training formed the backbone of his career.This episode also delves into unique training experiences abroad with British and French forces, where Max was exposed to live operations in high-risk environments across Europe. Desmond Latham’s thoughtful questions highlight the high stakes and intensity of these early operations, revealing the human element behind the tactical roles Max played.In this candid conversation, Des guides listeners through Max’s reflections on the shift from training to real-world missions, touching on the stoic mentality required to thrive in high-stakes situations and the adjustments made when theory meets reality. The discussion sets the stage for the next episode, where Max will delve into his work hunting down terrorist networks across Europe.Desmond Latham, celebrated for his History of South Africa podcast, brings his keen insights and extensive experience to Underground Strategy. This collaboration offers a unique perspective on the experiences that shaped Number 788, making for an engaging, immersive series.Links:Desmond Latham’s Blog: https://desmondlatham.blog/History of South Africa Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2uDa0tQjGe3GpFKDGjMMAm?si=2d2812af232742daNumber 788 on Amazon: https://a.co/d/is4FcIx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Underground Strategy, we welcome Hex, a former operations officer in the South African Navy with 18 years of specialized experience in electronic warfare, now known as electromagnetic warfare. With a career rooted in cyber and electronic security strategies, Hex has a unique skill set that merges military precision with cutting-edge cybersecurity techniques.After completing his MBA, Hex made the transition from military operations to the FinTech world, where he currently serves as the Security and Fraud Manager at Kazang. His work focuses on securing micro-payments for South Africa’s informal sectors, overseeing everything from threat detection and anomaly detection to robust cyber protection protocols. Hex's goal is to bridge the gap between traditional financial services and underserved communities, bringing security to vulnerable transactions.Join us as we dive into Hex’s fascinating journey, from military tactics to modern-day cybersecurity, and how his expertise is being applied to safeguard financial services in a rapidly changing digital world.Tune in for an insightful discussion that bridges the worlds of military operations and modern FinTech cybersecurity! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We’re thrilled to introduce a new limited series on Underground Strategy—an in-depth exploration into the making and the mind behind Number 788, authored by Max Lauker and co-authored by Tony Garcia. Hosted and produced by South African media figure Desmond Latham, this series offers listeners an inside look at the origins, experiences, and challenges that shaped this compelling story of courage and covert operations.Number 788 details Max Lauker’s journey from reluctant soldier to highly skilled ranger, excelling in reconnaissance, intelligence, and covert operations. The book recounts his unique experiences during a pivotal time in history, from post-Cold War training through the War on Terror. Max shares not only his professional journey but the personal struggles and moral complexities that come with a life lived in the shadows.In this premiere episode, Desmond Latham—a well-known broadcaster and host of the top-ranked History of South Africa podcast—delves into the foundations of Number 788. As Desmond leads the conversation, Max reveals how his experiences in the Swedish Armed Forces, primarily with Special Purpose Units under the Norrland Dragoon Regiment, shaped the book’s powerful narrative. With deployments across Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, and the former Eastern Bloc, Max recounts a life dedicated to intelligence and covert operations. Desmond’s skillful interviewing brings to light the stories, risks, and human elements behind Max’s career, creating a vivid picture of the complex world of covert warfare.Desmond Latham, who has achieved over 500,000 listens on The History of South Africa podcast, brings his well-honed historical insights and broadcasting expertise to Underground Strategy. We’re delighted to work with such a respected voice in the industry, and this series marks an exciting collaboration that digs deep into the reality of modern military life.This limited series is designed to bring Number 788 to a wider audience, uncovering the lessons, revelations, and experiences that define the book. Join us as we explore the journey of a soldier who became a silent mediator between light and shadow, forever changed by his place in the complex history of Western and Nordic special operations.Links:Desmond Latham’s Blog: https://desmondlatham.blog/History of South Africa Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2uDa0tQjGe3GpFKDGjMMAm?si=2d2812af232742daNumber 788 on Amazon: https://a.co/d/is4FcIx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 10: War and Peace with Peter de ClercqIn this episode of Underground Strategy, we had the honor of hosting Peter de Clercq, a Dutch diplomat who has spent over 35 years working at the highest levels of the United Nations, including as Deputy Special Representative of the Secretary-General for the United Nations Assistance Mission in Somalia (UNSOM). His extensive experience includes working in conflict-affected countries such as Somalia, Sudan, and Haiti, where he has dedicated his career to improving conditions for the most vulnerable populations.Although Peter is formally retired from his UN roles, he remains deeply involved in promoting inclusion, rights, and opportunities for those impacted by war. In this episode, Peter shares his insights into leadership, peacebuilding, and the challenges the UN faces in war-torn regions.We discuss how diplomacy plays a crucial role in creating the conditions for peace during violent conflict and rebuilding societies afterward. It was a great conversation, and we’re looking forward to welcoming Peter back for a follow-up episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 9: Military Logistics – The Backbone of WarfareIn this episode of Underground Strategy, Max Lauker and Tony Garcia take a deep dive into one of the most critical, yet often overlooked, aspects of military success: logistics. As the saying goes, "Amateurs talk tactics, but professionals talk logistics." Throughout history, the ability to keep armies supplied has been the difference between victory and defeat.Max and Tony explore the importance of logistics in warfare, drawing on historical examples from Napoleon's disastrous Russian campaign to the logistical challenges that crippled the German forces in North Africa during World War II. They discuss how even the most brilliant strategies can falter without a well-organized supply chain, and how logistics continues to play a pivotal role in modern military operations.Join Max and Tony, in the rear with the gear, as they highlight the unsung hero of military success and give listeners a fresh perspective on the true importance of logistics in warfare. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 9: Private Military Companies (PMCs) – A General DiscussionIn this episode of Underground Strategy, Max Lauker and Tony Garcia take a closer look at Private Military Companies (PMCs). PMCs are organizations that provide military services, from logistical support to armed security, and they've become an increasingly significant part of modern warfare.Max and Tony discuss the growing role of PMCs in global conflicts, their advantages, and the controversies surrounding them. While not diving too deep into the specifics, they explore how these companies operate, their impact on traditional military forces, and what makes them so integral to modern operations.If you've ever been curious about the role PMCs play in today's military landscape, this episode gives you a broad overview. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 7: Winter Warfare—Survival, Strategy, and SnowIn this week’s episode of the Underground Strategy podcast, we’re getting chilly as we scrape the surface of winter warfare. From personal reflections to historical examples, we touch on what makes this topic so timely and important. We’re not going all crazy in-depth, but we’re here to give you a glimpse into the challenges and strategies that come with fighting in extreme cold conditions.Will Max manage to get the name of the new NATO Secretary General right this time? Tune in to find out!What’s in this episode?We talk through some of the key points of winter warfare—how it affects both the troops and their equipment. Expect some historical throwbacks, too, like how armies through the ages have adapted to snow and ice.Whether you’re prepping for a winter deployment (or just a cold day), this episode has something for everyone. Grab your hot chocolate and settle in!https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/who_is_who_229125.htmhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Claesson Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Extra Episode: The Book is Finally Here!It’s not just any episode—this is a special edition of the Underground Strategy podcast, and it’s all about our new book! We know, we know, you’ve heard us talk about it before, but now you can actually get your hands on it. And what better way to celebrate than with a quick chat about it!Oh, and if you're looking for a good laugh and a good read, you can grab the book on Amazon. We've got links below:Grab your copy here:Amazon US: https://a.co/d/d9F1SBvAmazon UK: https://amzn.eu/d/7HILRpwWe promise it’s worth it—just for the stories we couldn't fit into the podcast!And for our dedicated listeners, since this is an extra episode, you’ll still get your regular dose of Underground Strategy every Sunday. This one's just a bonus! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 5: The Home Front in Ukraine with Kostiantyn KoshelenkoIn this episode of Underground Strategy, we are honored to be joined by Kostiantyn Koshelenko, Ukraine’s Deputy Minister of Social Policy and Digital Transformation. Kostia shares valuable insights into his role on the Home Front, offering a unique perspective on how Ukraine is navigating the challenges of war from both a governmental and digital standpoint.Kostia shares his thoughts on leadership, how digital transformation is shaping Ukraine’s efforts during the war, and the ways both the government and private sectors are tackling the immense challenges they’re facing together.You can explore more about Kostia’s experiences and strategies in his book:Management in Times of War: Leadership Examples from Ukraine’s Government and Private Sector – Available on Amazon:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Management-Times-War-Kostiantyn-Koshelenko/dp/6177982103Connect with Kostiantyn Koshelenko:Ministry of Social Policy of Ukraine | LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/kostiantyn-koshelenkoKostiantyn Koshelenko on X:https://twitter.com/k_koshelenkoKostiantyn Koshelenko on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/k_koshelenkoUkrainian Resources:Digital Ukraine:https://ukraine.uaGood Deeds - About Us:https://good-deeds.ua Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 4: Weaponry Deep Dive with Vapenkunskap (Weapons Knowledge)In this episode, we go full nerd with Vapenkunskap (Weapons Knowledge), diving deep into the details of weaponry. From the legendary Kalashnikov to cutting-edge developments, this conversation takes us across the globe as we explore the world of firearms and tactics.Check out Vapenkunskap’s brilliant insights on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vapenkunskap/We also touch on some key topics, including:The Kalashnikov: Learn more here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47Sweden’s AK 5 D: Featured on the cover of Max’s book Number 788: My Experiences in Swedish Special Operations: https://www.helion.co.uk/military-history-books/number-788-my-experiences-in-swedish-special-operations-preparing-for-nato-and-the-war-on-terror.phpThe development of the AK 5: Read more about Sweden’s standard assault rifle here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatkarbin_5Green ammunition: A fascinating discussion on environmentally friendly ammo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_bulletGreen soldiering in South Africa: Tony reflects on the country’s green approach to soldiering: http://www.enviropaedia.com/topic/default.php?topic_id=128And last but not least, don’t be like Max and Tony—read the manual before all else fails. As recommended by Vapenkunskap, check out the Swedish Mauser manual here: http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/FIREARMS/swede_m38-m41b-m96.pdfFor more on Underground Strategy, visit: https://undergroundstrategy.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Underground Strategy, we’re just kicking back and chatting about some of the military “legends” who’ve captured our attention. From the frozen fields of Finland to the revolutionary jungles of Latin America, we cover a few names you might know—and maybe one or two you don’t. Plus, will there be some singing involved? Tune in to find out.Legends We Talk About:Harry Järv – A Finnish-Swedish military officer who fought in the Winter War and Continuation War. He’s also a writer, which makes him pretty cool in our book.Erik Bonde – Swedish officer known for his time in the Congo during the UN operations in the 1960s. We dive into his iconic photo and what made his legacy stick.Che Guevara – Yeah, you know the guy. Revolutionary icon, guerrilla leader. We’ve all seen the T-shirts, but we talk a bit about his actual military career.Koos De la Rey – A Boer general from the Second Boer War. Some call him one of the best military minds of his time, but we’re just here to shoot the breeze about what made him a legend.New episodes drop every Sunday. No fluff, just two guys talking about the past, present, and sometimes singing.Listen here or wherever you get your podcasts.Follow us on:Website: undergroundstrategy.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 2: War and Money – The Costs No One Talks AboutIn this episode, we dive into one of the hottest and most controversial topics—war and money. Max and Tony break down the financial side of conflict, from the massive costs of military operations to how war impacts economies and everyday lives. We explore who profits, who pays, and the unexpected financial ripple effects that war creates. Join us for a candid discussion on the real price of warfare and the money that fuels it. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episode 1: Welcome to Underground StrategyIn this debut episode, get to know your hosts—Max Lauker, former Swedish Special Operations and Intelligence, and Tony Garcia, South African National Defence Force veteran. We kick things off with some loose talk, sharing personal stories from our military careers, discussing NATO’s latest moves, and giving you the scoop on the Arctic Ranger Regiment. It’s a laid-back start with a mix of news, banter, and a look at what's ahead for the podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.