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Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy

Author: Channel 4 News

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How can you change the world? Join Krishnan Guru-Murthy and his guest of the week as they explore the big ideas influencing how we think, act and live.
104 Episodes
Jamie Oliver is one of Britain's most-loved chefs. He became famous as a chef on TV and since then has become a best-selling author, started a lot of restaurants and become a campaigner.   He is perhaps best known for trying to revolutionise school food. His business group has just achieved 'B Corp' sustainability accreditation in recognition of their social and environmental performance.   Jamie talks to Krishnan about why he has a passion for changing not only the food world but for reaching across social barriers in society, how his dyslexia has affected him during his career and his thoughts of the government's obesity strategy.    Warning: Contains strong language    Producer: Rachel Evans
Pankaj Mishra is a multiple award-winning Indian writer, essayist and novelist who has been challenging traditional ideologies for over 30 years. His latest book ’Bland Fanatics: Liberals, Race and Empire’ argues that modern democracies are heading towards moral and ideological bankruptcy and coronavirus is the latest example. He tells Krishnan why democracy is unravelling, the importance of open debate and why we all need a dose of seriousness.
Chris Daw QC is a high-profile criminal barrister and author of 'Justice on Trial'. He thinks our justice system needs to be scrapped and reformed - from legalising drugs to stop sending offenders to prison. At the end of a Channel 4 News special week when we have focused on the criminal justice system with the 'Secret Barrister', Krishnan speaks to Chris about why he wants to completely change the way we think about crime and punishment. Producer: Rachel Evans
Nick Mohammed is an actor, comedian and writer. His most recent work is the workplace sitcom 'Intelligence', based in GCHQ, also starring David Schwimmer from Friends. He talks to Krishnan about bringing back the traditional British sitcom, his worries for the live-comedy scene and how to navigate the grey area between comedy and offence.  Producer: Rachel Evans
Werner Herzog is a world-renowned German film director, screenwriter, author, actor and opera director.   He has produced, written and directed more than sixty feature and documentary films and published more than a dozen books.   His latest film, Family Romance LLC, is a tragiccomedy shot like a documentary, which tells the story of a Tokyo company that offers stand-ins for absent family and admirers.   Herzog talks to Krishnan about drawing the lines between fact and fiction, history repeating itself and why he doesn't watch many films.    Producer: Rachel Evans
Amrou Al-Kadhi also known as Glamrou is a writer, drag performer, filmmaker and author. Their memoir, 'Life as a Unicorn: A Journey from Shame to Pride and Everything in Between' is out now.   In this special episode, we return to a conversation we first had with Glamrou back in February when they talked to Krishnan about their challenge to merge their queerness with their Islamic heritage, going to Eton and getting into drag.  And we catch up with them again now to hear about how lockdown has affected them and their reaction to the growing debate on transgender people and Black Lives Matter.  
Atlanta-born Killer Mike and New Yorker El-P make up American hip hop duo Run the Jewels and they've just released their fourth album 'Run the Jewels 4'. Despite being written last year, this fire-fuelled album highlights stark realities of the world in 2020.   In a two-person special episode, they talk to Krishnan about optimism, protest, creativity and RTJ4.
Emma Dabiri is an author, academic, and broadcaster. Her debut book, Don't Touch My Hair, was first published in 2019, which combines her personal experiences and analysis of 'the complex visual language of African hair'. She talks to Krishnan in the about the language of identity, the history of race and why she now loves her hair. 
David Proud is an actor, writer and producer. He is probably best known for being the first adult with a visible disability to appear regularly in Eastenders.   He was born with spina bifida and uses a wheelchair. He talks to Krishnan about the need for more disabled actors on our screens, the mechanics of discrimination and how coronavirus has affected the disabled community.    Producer: Rachel Evans 
Jamaican-born comedian and presenter David Whitely, created his own fame on social media under many aliases. But he’s best known as BBC 1Xtra DJ ‘Sideman’.  As demonstrations calling for racial justice erupt across the UK and beyond, he speaks to Krishnan about challenging racial stereotypes, his journey from instagram to radio and why black lives always matter.
Ruth Davidson was leader of the Scottish Conservative Party from 2011 to 2019. She stood down in August 2019 - giving several political and personal reasons for her decision. Still serving as an MSP, she speaks to Krishnan about her mental health during lockdown, complexities within Conservative politics and what she thinks of Dominic Cummings. Producer: Rachel Evans
Nels Abbey is a British-Nigerian satirist, writer, media executive and author of 'Think Like a White Man'. As protests erupt across the world following the alleged murder of George Floyd, he talks to Krishnan about his own experiences as black man in Britain, his thoughts on the political response to the demonstrations and comparing racism in the UK and America. 
Adam Goodes is a former Australian Football League player of Aboriginal descent. He became a controversial figure in Australia following a racist incident against him during a AFL game.   After that, he faced taunts and boos from AFL crowds, which ignited a race row across Australia.    He's now left the sport and is a private businessman but continues his anti-racism advocacy.   His story is now being told in a new documentary called 'The Australian Dream', which explores what Adam's experience shows about modern day Australia.    You can also watch the interview on the Channel 4 News YouTube channel.   Warning: Strong and racially sensitive language.    Producer: Rachel Evans
Deborah Frances-White is a comedian, author and screenwriter. She's probably best known for 'The Guilty Feminist', which is a hugely successful podcast and brand.   She talks to Krishnan about facing up to your own privileges, the lessons she's learnt from living with a Syrian refugee and why she's glad her IVF didn't work.   Producer: Rachel Evans
Rutger Bregman is a Dutch writer and historian known for shaking up social norms. Last year, he attracted global attention at the World Economic Forum in Davos when he turned on his wealthy audience and called out those who avoid paying taxes. He has also argued for a universal basic income. His latest work ‘Humankind’ offers a roadmap for how we might organise society differently, based on the idea that deep down most people are actually decent human beings. He talks to Krishnan about his Ten Commandments to living your life in a good way, his arguments for a universal basic income and his observations of humanity during the coronavirus lockdown. Producer: Rachel Evans
Helle Thorning-Schmidt was Prime Minister of Denmark from 2011 to 2015. Until very recently she was the CEO of the charity 'Save the Children'.   She talks to Krishnan about why we need to find common ground on political battle lines, her experience as a female political leader and her life-long quest for a fair society.   Producer: Rachel Evans
Dr Adam Rutherford is a geneticist, author and broadcaster.  He hosts the BBC Radio 4 programme 'Inside Science' and has published books related to genetics and the origin of life.   In his most recent project, he confronts the use of science to strengthen racist ideologies.   He talks to Krishnan about how if we understood genetics and history correctly they could become powerful allies against racism.    Producer: Rachel Evans
Frankie Bridge is best known for being a singer, formerly a member of the girl group, The Saturdays and previously S Club Juniors.    She freely speaks about her struggles with mental health from breakdown to hospitalisation to self-acceptance in her new book, 'Open: Why Asking for Help Can Save your Life'.   Right now, she is trekking a desert in Namibia with Krishnan himself to raise awareness for mental health.   But before they set off, Krishnan spoke to her about her ongoing journey with depression and anxiety, how being a child star affected her and her advice to people in similar situations.   Warning: Contains references to suicide and depression. If you or someone you know are feeling emotionally distressed, you can find help and support here -   Producer: Rachel Evans
Adam Kay is the author of one of the most successful books of the last couple of years, 'This is Going to Hurt', which is based upon his diaries from his former career as a doctor before he quit medicine.    He wrote down his often hilarious experiences as a way to cope with the stresses and emotions of his job.   He talks to Krishnan about how the world of medicine needs to change, challenging politicians and his worries for the future of the NHS.   Producer: Rachel Evans
Paul Krugman is a Nobel prize-winning liberal economist, author and New York Times columnist.   Ahead of the 2020 Presidential debate, his new book 'Arguing with Zombies' tackles common misunderstandings in the world of economics.   Krugman talks to Krishnan about what are these Zombie ideas, comparing American and British politics and why Brexit isn't a catastrophe.    Producer: Rachel Evans
Comments (13)

Jonathan Hartley

I appreciate you feel the need to counter every proposition with some countervailing argument because it is part of some establishment set protocol Krishnan, but is there no subject where so called balance, giving equal exposure or equivalent consideration to two sides (questionable definition and category mistake aside) of an argument is just plain silly? You start to sound like a defender of big tech in this podcast, and frankly they don't need it. Nor is it sensible one of their invested experts be given the right to reply in a podcast of his own. Leaving polite comment aside , PICK A FUCKING SIDE!, because those forces set against democracy, justice (social, judicial, younameit) have, and they are winning. If not, look forward to hearing BNP spokesman given opportunity to expound in reasonable, chatty tone on the validity of racism in future podcast.

Dec 29th

Kate Holmes

Awesome and inspiring

Nov 1st

Janice Taylor

I love this. I think he's right, education in poetry would be highly beneficial in giving voices to children and their circumstances, being less about studying others and more about setting their voice, finalizing it and performing their perspective on the world, making it a teachable moment. Eye opening perspective on the government and their reaction to gang crime too and what can be done. Thank you.

Aug 3rd

Angus Cowie

Google manages to dodge qustions about tax and profits as in real life....if they were a force for good they should pay more tax and contribute to the services our electorate decide on!

May 30th

Briege Obrien

Very brave man.. what an amazing story to tell x

Jan 31st


Well done, Rachel. Don't be cowed.

Jan 17th


"when a cis woman barks at me".. is such a misogynistic thing to say, especially by a trans person.

Jan 16th

Janice Taylor

I genuinely really adored listening to her. She seems like a wonderful role model; hardworking, triumphant at overcoming her past and purely hopeful and thankful. Thank you for this.

Jan 16th

need 4 change

Loved listening to this. She's an inspiration.

Jan 13th

need 4 change

inspiring on many levels

Jan 13th

Kathleen Sheridan

favourite podcast! great choice of guests, always fascinating and a warm interview to listen to.

Dec 30th

Darren Mcdermott

2 remoaners in a row come on c4 let's think about some balance... Lammy then Albarn

Dec 6th

Chris Boud

So basically if things go well it's due to Brexit, if things go badly it's due to a myriad of factors. Shirking all responsibility.

Aug 3rd
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