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Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy

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How can you change the world? Join Krishnan Guru-Murthy and his guest of the week as they explore the big ideas influencing how we think, act and live.
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Megan Phelps-Roper is a former member of the Westboro Baptist Church, an extremist American religious cult based in Topeka, Kansas. She was made famous by appearing in a series of documentaries made by Louis Theroux on the church.    Megan left the church in 2012 and has since spoken and more recently written about her experience in her book: Unfollow: A Journey from Hatred to Hope, leaving the Westboro Baptist Church.   She talks to Krishnan about her fascinating story and why the whole world needs to be aware of the dangers of division.    Warning: This interview contains themes and language some may find upsetting.
The 14th and current Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, like previous Dalai Lamas, is a figure of unification of the state of Tibet. He represents Buddhist values and traditions.  He has just released a new book, 'Our Only Home', which is a call to action for leaders and individuals to move now to combat climate change. He speaks to Krish about his worries for our planet, Tibet's relations with the rest of the world and his views on the global pandemic.  Producer: Rachel Evans 
David Miliband, has had a varied career - from working as a policy analyst in Tony Blair’s Downing Street, ultimately becoming Foreign Secretary, to heading up an international charity, working with refugees all over the world. Krishnan speaks to David in the midst of a remarkable week in US and world politics. With results and events changing hour by hour, they discuss whether this really could be the end of Trumpism and what this election could mean for democratic systems across the globe.  Producer: Rachel Evans
Kim Darroch was a lifelong Foreign Office Diplomat to rose through the ranks to become British Ambassador to the United States between 2016 and 2019.   He hit the headlines last year when a private letter he had written, saying unflattering things about the Trump administration was leaked.    He talks to Krishnan about his thoughts on the outcome of the upcoming presidential election and his fears for a post-Brexit Britain. 
Alicia Garza has been campaigning since she was 12 years old. It’s no surprise then, that when she posted a “love letter to Black people" on Facebook in 2013, it sparked one of the biggest racial justice movements in history - Black Lives Matter.   Now the principal of the Black Futures Lab, Alicia has just released her debut book, 'The Purpose of Power'.   She speaks to Krishnan about writing the rules, the power of a ballot box and making Black people the heroes of their own stories.
Olivette Otele is an historian who is currently Professor of History of Slavery at Bristol University and Vice-President of the Royal Historical Society. She is the first black female history professor in the UK.   Her most recent book, 'African Europeans: An Untold History explores a history that has been long overlooked, shedding light on questions very much alive today―on racism, identity, citizenship, power and resilience.    She talks to Krishnan about her thoughts on a summer of race protests, the complex idea of imposter syndrome and the power of young people.    Producer: Rachel Evans  
Sir Philip Pullman is an English novelist, best known for his fantasy trilogy 'His Dark Materials'.   His new book 'Serpentine' is set in the world of 'His Dark Materials' and explores a small crack he discovered in the series' character relationships.   He talks to Krishnan about why he doesn't like calling his books fantasy novels, his worries for the future of the UK and his thoughts on the J.K. Rowling debate.    Producer: Rachel Evans
Sparks, the iconic music duo otherwise known as Ron and Russell Mael. The American genre-defying band have influenced generations upon generations of musicians over the years from the glam rock of the 1970s through to indie bands of the 80s and 90s.   Ron and Russell talk to Krishnan about how they have succeeded in the music industry for half a century and why they want their songs to make people think.   Contains strong language.    Producer: Rachel Evans 
Claudia Rankine is an acclaimed American writer and poet. Her most recent book, ‘Just Us’ explores race and white supremacy through by recounting a series of radicalised real encounters with friends and strangers. She talks to Krishnan about her thoughts on the future of democracy in America, her reaction to the death of US Supreme Court Judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg and exploring complex topics through poetry. This podcast was recorded on Tuesday 22nd September 2020.  
Yotam Ottolenghi is an Israeli-English chef, restaurant owner and food writer who taught Britain to love vegetables. He has published seven best-selling cookbooks inspired by his Middle Eastern upbringing in a German/Italian family and owns six restaurants and deli’s across London. Since arriving in London over 20 years ago, Yotam Ottolenghi has made it his mission to help British people see vegetables as something other than a “necessary evil”. While not a vegetarian himself, his latest book 'Flavour' is entirely vegetable-focused. This week on Ways to Change the World, he speaks with Krishnan about cultural appropriation and the politics of hummus.
Not many environmental campaigners find their lives being portrayed on the big screen. But Erin Brockovich isn’t just any environmental campaigner.  Krishnan speaks to the woman whose story was brought memorably to life by Julia Roberts back in the year 2000 about the impact of that film, the power of community action and why water could save the planet. 
Yusef Salaam is one of the ‘Central Park Five’ who became to be known the ‘Exonerated Five’. It was case of racial injustice which shocked America three decades ago, when five Black and Hispanic teenagers were wrongfully jailed over the gang rape of a woman in New York’s Central Park in 1989. But after years behind bars, the ‘Central Park Five’ were finally exonerated in 2002.  Now one of them, Yusef Salaam, has written a novel in verse called 'Punching the Air' in collaboration with the author Ibi Zoboi, based on his experiences. Yusef talks to Krishnan about how he remembers the experience that shaped his life, why he believes racism is escapable and why 2020 is a symbolic year.  Producer: Rachel Evans
Chris Boardman became the picture of British cycling in 1992, when he won the country’s first olympic cycling medal in 72 years.   Decades later, while his face is still synonymous with British bicycles, these days it’s because he’s on crusade to make them safe and accessible for all.   As Policy Advisor to British Cycling, Greater Manchester’s Cycling and Walking Commissioner and the chairman of his own bicycle brand, Chris Boardman has dedicated his life to changing the way we view bikes.     This week, Chris Boardman speaks to Krishnan about giving up his car, pushing through the barriers of change and why Covid-19 may be the catalyst for reshaping Britain’s cycling identity.  
Sara Pascoe is one of Britain's most-loved comedians. She is also an author. Her book 'Sex Power Money' explores male sexuality, sex work and dating through the prism of evolutionary biology. Sara talks to Krishnan about why she's always been open talking about sex, why she thinks humans will always 'get better' and her thoughts on female representation on panel shows.  Producer: Rachel Evans
Jamie Oliver is one of Britain's most-loved chefs. He became famous as a chef on TV and since then has become a best-selling author, started a lot of restaurants and become a campaigner.   He is perhaps best known for trying to revolutionise school food. His business group has just achieved 'B Corp' sustainability accreditation in recognition of their social and environmental performance.   Jamie talks to Krishnan about why he has a passion for changing not only the food world but for reaching across social barriers in society, how his dyslexia has affected him during his career and his thoughts of the government's obesity strategy.    Warning: Contains strong language    Producer: Rachel Evans
Pankaj Mishra is a multiple award-winning Indian writer, essayist and novelist who has been challenging traditional ideologies for over 30 years. His latest book ’Bland Fanatics: Liberals, Race and Empire’ argues that modern democracies are heading towards moral and ideological bankruptcy and coronavirus is the latest example. He tells Krishnan why democracy is unravelling, the importance of open debate and why we all need a dose of seriousness.
Chris Daw QC is a high-profile criminal barrister and author of 'Justice on Trial'. He thinks our justice system needs to be scrapped and reformed - from legalising drugs to stop sending offenders to prison. At the end of a Channel 4 News special week when we have focused on the criminal justice system with the 'Secret Barrister', Krishnan speaks to Chris about why he wants to completely change the way we think about crime and punishment. Producer: Rachel Evans
Nick Mohammed is an actor, comedian and writer. His most recent work is the workplace sitcom 'Intelligence', based in GCHQ, also starring David Schwimmer from Friends. He talks to Krishnan about bringing back the traditional British sitcom, his worries for the live-comedy scene and how to navigate the grey area between comedy and offence.  Producer: Rachel Evans
Werner Herzog is a world-renowned German film director, screenwriter, author, actor and opera director.   He has produced, written and directed more than sixty feature and documentary films and published more than a dozen books.   His latest film, Family Romance LLC, is a tragiccomedy shot like a documentary, which tells the story of a Tokyo company that offers stand-ins for absent family and admirers.   Herzog talks to Krishnan about drawing the lines between fact and fiction, history repeating itself and why he doesn't watch many films.    Producer: Rachel Evans
Amrou Al-Kadhi also known as Glamrou is a writer, drag performer, filmmaker and author. Their memoir, 'Life as a Unicorn: A Journey from Shame to Pride and Everything in Between' is out now.   In this special episode, we return to a conversation we first had with Glamrou back in February when they talked to Krishnan about their challenge to merge their queerness with their Islamic heritage, going to Eton and getting into drag.  And we catch up with them again now to hear about how lockdown has affected them and their reaction to the growing debate on transgender people and Black Lives Matter.  
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Janice Taylor

I completely agree, I think it would greatly reduce the number of reoffenders. I personally think that the definition of "prisons" can be changed. It can mean being in a place that is safe from the public, but emulates the real world. I'm 24 and I think a lot of young people would agree with this. Great podcast, thank you.

Aug 9th
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Jonathan Hartley

I appreciate you feel the need to counter every proposition with some countervailing argument because it is part of some establishment set protocol Krishnan, but is there no subject where so called balance, giving equal exposure or equivalent consideration to two sides (questionable definition and category mistake aside) of an argument is just plain silly? You start to sound like a defender of big tech in this podcast, and frankly they don't need it. Nor is it sensible one of their invested experts be given the right to reply in a podcast of his own. Leaving polite comment aside , PICK A FUCKING SIDE!, because those forces set against democracy, justice (social, judicial, younameit) have, and they are winning. If not, look forward to hearing BNP spokesman given opportunity to expound in reasonable, chatty tone on the validity of racism in future podcast.

Dec 29th
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Kate Holmes

Awesome and inspiring

Nov 1st
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Janice Taylor

I love this. I think he's right, education in poetry would be highly beneficial in giving voices to children and their circumstances, being less about studying others and more about setting their voice, finalizing it and performing their perspective on the world, making it a teachable moment. Eye opening perspective on the government and their reaction to gang crime too and what can be done. Thank you.

Aug 3rd
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Angus Cowie

Google manages to dodge qustions about tax and profits as in real life....if they were a force for good they should pay more tax and contribute to the services our electorate decide on!

May 30th
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Briege Obrien

Very brave man.. what an amazing story to tell x

Jan 31st
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Kevin

Well done, Rachel. Don't be cowed.

Jan 17th
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Nick

"when a cis woman barks at me".. is such a misogynistic thing to say, especially by a trans person.

Jan 16th
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Janice Taylor

I genuinely really adored listening to her. She seems like a wonderful role model; hardworking, triumphant at overcoming her past and purely hopeful and thankful. Thank you for this.

Jan 16th
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need 4 change

Loved listening to this. She's an inspiration.

Jan 13th
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need 4 change

inspiring on many levels

Jan 13th
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Kathleen Sheridan

favourite podcast! great choice of guests, always fascinating and a warm interview to listen to.

Dec 30th
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Darren Mcdermott

2 remoaners in a row come on c4 let's think about some balance... Lammy then Albarn

Dec 6th
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Chris Boud

So basically if things go well it's due to Brexit, if things go badly it's due to a myriad of factors. Shirking all responsibility.

Aug 3rd
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