We Are Vineyard

Advent – LOVE with Geno OlisonShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, Geno Olison, leader of our VUSA Black Pastors and Leaders Association, shares a devotion he has prepared on the theme of Love from 1 John 4:7-14, Romans 5:8, John 3:16, followed by the song “Behold,” the title track of Vineyard Worship’s newest album release, created in partnership with Heaven and Earth, Vineyard Columbus’s worship and songwriting community. We’ll see you in February 2024 with new episodes! Show Notes:  Behold Heaven and Earth Worship Vineyard Worship Vineyard USA Associations

The Law and The Gospel with David ZahlShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, Caleb Maskell, Associate National Director of Theology and Education, talks with David Zahl about being raised in a family where faith and reliance on God was modeled and they had freedom to find their own path with God. They also talk through three topics that have marked David’s life and writing: mercy, the law and the gospel, and low anthropology.  David Zahl is the founder and director of Mockingbird Ministries, editor-in-chief of the Mockingbird website, and co-host of both The Mockingcast and The Brothers Zahl podcasts. He and his family live in Charlottesville, Virginia, where he also serves on the staff of Christ Episcopal Church. Zahl is the author of Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What To Do About It and

Preaching In The Vineyard: Preaching as a Team with Julia PickerillShow Podcast InformationThis episode of We Are Vineyard is a continuation of our miniseries on preaching hosted by Adam Russell (Lead Pastor of Vineyard Campbellsville in KY and Director of Vineyard Worship) and Ted Kim (Lead Pastor of Evanston Vineyard in IL). Today’s guest is Julia Pickerill, co-Senior Pastor of Vineyard Columbus. In this episode, Julia shares about the unique teaching team approach employed by Vineyard Columbus, and how it fulfills their desire to provide their church with a diverse set of teaching voices. Julia talks about the pros and cons of the team approach, how they ensure the church is hearing a cohesive voice, and how a church might approach developing a teaching team.    Show Notes:  Register for the 2024 Vineyard USA National Conference: Seed & Soil  Listen to Julia’s talk at the 2021 National Conference: The Way On   Vineyard History and Identity Resources:  The Way It Was by Carol Wimber  The Quest For The Radical Middle by Bill Jackson  Empowered Evangelicals by Rich Nathan and Ken Wilson “I’m a Fool For Christ”– John Wimber’s testimony

In this episode of We Are Vineyard, Jay talks with Dr. Henry Cloud about his early life and how he became interested in psychology and leadership development. Dr. Cloud shares about helping people to build leadership muscles in a variety of environments, the role gaps serve in training, and developing leaders in their personhood. He also describes the factors involved in the makeup of a good leader and what happens when some of those elements aren’t as developed as others. Finally, he talks about how to grow in self-awareness as a leader and shares some thoughts specific to the Vineyard.  Dr. Henry Cloud is an acclaimed leadership expert, clinical psychologist, and New York Times bestselling author. His 45 books, including the iconic Boundaries, have sold nearly 20 million copies worldwide. He has an extensive executive coaching background and experience as a leadership consultant, devoting the majority of his time to working with CEOs, leadership teams, and executives to improve performance, leadership skills, and culture. Dr. Cloud founded and built a healthcare company starting in 1987, which operated inpatient, and outpatient treatment centers in forty markets in the Western U.S. There, he served as Clinical Director and principal for ten years. In the context of hands-on clinical experience, he developed and researched many of the treatment principles and methods that he communicates to audiences now. After selling the company, he devoted his time to consulting and coaching, spreading principles of hope and life change through speaking, writing, and media. Throughout the same years and until the present, he has devoted much of his career to leadership performance and development, blending the disciplines of leadership and human functioning to help CEOs, teams, organizations, and family entities. Dr. Cloud also hosted a national radio show for 15 years airing in 200 markets in the U.S. Dr. Cloud completed his undergraduate degree at Southern Methodist University, his Ph.D. in clinical psychology at Biola University, and his clinical internship at Los Angeles County Department of Mental Health. He is an avid golfer, and actively involved in philanthropic efforts focusing on poverty and holistic relief in the U.S. and the Developing World. He lives in Los Angeles with his wife, Tori, and their two daughters, Olivia and Lucy. Show Notes:  Hear more from Dr. Cloud and Jay at Vineyard USA’s 2024 National Conference  Henry Cloud's website Why I Believe by Dr. Henry Cloud  1973 US Open  Vineyard USA’s Pastoral Health webpage   Vineyard History and Identity Resources: 

In this episode of We Are Vineyard, Jay talks with Jim Herrington about reconciling his call to ministry with some traumatic early experiences, and the career path that led him to leadership coaching and starting The Leader’s Journey. Jim shares about some of the ideas they’ve further cultivated since writing the first version of The Leader’s Journey and some of the things he learned throughout the process that changed the way he sees the world. Jay and Jim also discuss the difference between discipleship and spiritual formation, and the value of counselors and pastors having a counselor to talk to. Finally, Jim shares some insight for the Vineyard based on his involvement with the 2020 Reorg process.  Jim Herrington has been a pastor for 48 years and served as a denominational executive, pastor to pastors, and congregational coach since 1989. He has worked with hundreds of congregations from a variety of traditions around the challenges of personal and congregational transformation. He is the co-founder of The Leader’s Journey: Coaching for Wholehearted Leadership. He and cofounder, Trisha Taylor, help leaders and organizations grow their emotional intelligence so that they can be the healthiest, most effective versions of themselves by offering three key services: coaching, leadership development, and organizational consulting. Dr. Herrington speaks regularly in conferences on the topics of spiritual formation, adaptive leadership, family systems, and missional theology. He is a graduate of the University of Arkansas, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, and Houston Graduate School of Theology with a Doctor of Ministry in Spiritual Direction and Formation. Herrington lives in Houston and has been married to his best friend, Betty, for 47 years. They have five children and six grandchildren. Show Notes:  The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard 

In this episode of We Are Vineyard, Jay talks with Michael Cusick about being raised in a family with an extensive history of addiction, the circumstances that brought his brokenness and trauma to the forefront of his life, and how God rescued his marriage. Michael shares about starting the Restoring The Soul ministry, engaging people’s brokenness, and why sin management is not the best approach. Finally, Michael shares a profound story of redemption and he and Jay talk about how pastors can support each other.  Michael Cusick is a Licensed Professional Counselor, spiritual director, speaker, and author of two books including Surfing for God: Discovering the Divine Desire Beneath Sexual Struggle and Somebody's Daughter: An Experiential Guide. Having experienced the restoring touch of God in a deeply broken life and marriage, Michael’s passion is to connect life’s broken realities with the reality of the gospel. In addition to leading Restoring the Soul and equipping Christian organizations around the world, Michael formerly served as an adjunct professor at Denver Seminary and full-time professor at Colorado Christian University. He holds an MA in Biblical Counseling from Colorado Christian University and an MA from the College of Education at the University of Denver. Michael lives with his wife Julianne in the foothills of Colorado where he enjoys the Rocky Mountains and a host of other outdoor activities with friends and family. Michael is also the host of the popular Restoring the Soul podcast which reached over 300,000 downloads in 2022 alone, with listeners in over 81 countries, totaling over 1.8 million downloads in just 6 years of podcasting.   Show Notes:  Sacred Attachment by Michael Cusick (releasing January 2025) The Ascent Of A Leader by Bill Thrall, Bruce McNicol, and K...

In this episode of We Are Vineyard, Jay talks with Trisha Taylor about navigating her call to ministry as a woman and how she found her "in" as a counselor. They chat about the role of authenticity in transformation, some of the common internal issues that pastors need to explore for change to occur, and ways to support your pastor as a leader. Trisha also shares some of the unique gifts and challenges that she’s noticed among Vineyard people.  Trisha Taylor is a counselor, author, consultant, and speaker based in Houston, TX. Counseling is a key component of Trisha's ministry and she enjoys working with individuals, couples, and families. She works to provide a safe place where people who are hurting or confused can find God's grace and wisdom. Trisha is a co-author of The Leader's Journey: Accepting the Call to Personal and Congregational Transformation, which challenges leaders to see their congregations as living systems and to respond to leadership challenges with emotional maturity, leading as Jesus did, from the inside out. She is available to lead workshops and seminars or to provide consultation and coaching to help individuals and teams find a new way of thinking and leading in the contemporary church. As both a minister and a counselor, Trisha holds a Texas state license as a professional counselor and is a fellow in the American Association of Pastoral Counselors. She graduated from Baylor University (Psychology, 1985) and Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (Counseling, 1988). She has been married to Craig since 1985 and they have two adult children. Show Notes:  The Leader's Journey website  Faithwalking Tod Bolsinger’s books Managing Leadership Anxiety by Steve Cuss 

In this episode of We Are Vineyard, Jay talks with Chuck DeGroat about his entrance to ministry and when his interests started turning toward psychology and people’s lives. Chuck talks about the intersection between narcissism and pastoral health and the pitfall of pastors turning inside themselves in self-protection. Jay and Chuck discuss the policies and structures Vineyard USA is beginning to implement to help keep pastors connected and healthy, and the importance of resourcing and relationship in preventing pastoral implosion.  Chuck DeGroat is a follower of Jesus, a husband to Sara for 30 years, and father to two amazing daughters. He serves as Professor of Counseling and Christian Spirituality and Executive Director of the Clinical Mental Health Counseling Program at Western Theological Seminary Holland, MI.  He is also a faculty member for the Soul Care Institute. Chuck is a licensed therapist, a spiritual director, an author of five books, and a retreat leader/speaker. As a therapist, he has specialized in issues of abuse and trauma, pastoral (and leadership) health, and navigating issues of doubt and dark nights on the faith journey. He’s also a Minister of Word and Sacrament in the Reformed Church in America. Chuck pastored in Orlando and San Francisco before transitioning to training and forming pastors. He also trains clergy in issues of abuse and trauma, conducts pastor and planter assessments, and facilitates church consultations and investigations of abuse among pastors and within congregations.    Show Notes:  When Narcissism Comes To Church by Chuck DeGroat  Healing What’s Within by Chuck DeGroat Vineyard USA’s reporting hotline Redeeming Power by Diane Langberg

Leadership Under Pressure: Dr. Jim WilderShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, Jay talks with Dr. Jim Wilder about being raised in Colombia, South America in a high-stakes religious environment, and the point at which he had to accept that God is bigger than the one he was raised to believe in. Dr. Wilder shares about exploring trauma through the lenses of faith and psychology, the difference between education and anointing (and the need for maturity in both), and some typical factors involved in ministry failure. He also talks about the role of joy in safeguarding one’s life and ministry and the need for a separation of performance and personhood in the repair process.  Jim Wilder has extensive clinical counseling experience and is the chief neurotheologian of Life Model Works, a nonprofit working at the intersection of brain science and theology. He is also the lead developer of the Life Model, which is building contagiously healthy Christian communities through equipping existing networks with the skills to thrive. Wilder (PhD, Clinical Psychology, and MA, Theology, Fuller Theological Seminary) has been training leaders and counselors for thirty years on five continents. He is the author of over twenty books with a strong focus on maturity and relational skills. His co-authored book, Living from the Heart Jesus Gave You has sold over 100,000 copies in eleven languages. Wilder has published numerous articles and developed four sets of video and relational leadership training called THRIVE.  Show Notes:  Jim’s website:  lifemodelworks.org The Other Half Of Church by Jim Wilder and M...

Leadership Under Pressure: Jay and Danielle PathakShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, Jay and Danielle Pathak kick off a new series titled “Leadership Under Pressure.” They discuss all things related to Danielle’s world as Vineyard USA’s Associate National Director of Pastoral Health and Formation, touching on physical, financial, relational, emotional, and spiritual areas of health. Danielle shares about her process of assessing resources for personal or pastoral health that will soon be offered to Vineyard USA pastors, some of the current programs we’re testing out to address the data coming out of surveys taken by our pastors, and the many opportunities currently available to Vineyard pastors through various partnerships.  Show Notes:  Pastoral Health website  Lilly Endowment  VUSA’s Guidepost Institutional Assessment & Report  PastorServe AG Financial  Clergy Advantage  FreeWill  Soul Shepherding  Leadership Transformations  Recommended Books:  Embracing The Body by Tara M. Owens 

A Story of the Vineyard in Song – Anabeth MorganShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, we complete our mini-series on the Vineyard USA National Conference session: A Story Of The Vineyard in Song. This week, Adam and Nicole Dill talk with Anabeth Morgan. Anabeth expands on the story she shared during the session via video about being invited to a Vineyard church, feeling like she found a sense of home, and what that experience meant to her. She also talks about what she does now as a worship pastor to prepare for those who come to church needing an encounter similar to what she experienced all those years ago.   Anabeth Morgan is a worship leader, songwriter, and one of the staff pastors at the Mile High Vineyard neighborhood churches since 2011.  She has been an integral part of Vineyard Worship as a leader, artist and writer, serving at Vineyard churches in Houston, Columbus, and Kansas City. Anabeth is deeply passionate about God’s presence and loves to lean into the Spirit of God in worship and prayer. Her ability to listen to the Holy Spirit, whether leading worship or groups of people, has given God the opportunity to do wonderful things in people’s lives. She loves sharing her intimate faith in God with others, enjoys being hospitable, and is always sensitive to the people and environment around her. Anabeth has appeared on many Vineyard albums such as Cultivation Generation, Servant Wide Awake, My Foundation, Breathe In, Sing Out and more. In December 2017 she finished writing and recording her first studio album A Place Your Glory Dwells. Recently, she has had songs “You Meet Me Here”, “Heaven’s Work” and “King of Heaven”, released through Vineyard Worship, and has published other worship songs in collaboration with other songwriters. She was married to Kyle in 2003 and they have two amazing children, Jovie and Miles. Show Notes:  Watch “A Story of the Vineyard in Song”

A Story of the Vineyard in Song – Ed PiorekShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, we continue our mini-series on the Vineyard USA National Conference session: A Story Of The Vineyard in Song. This week, Adam and Nicole Dill talk with Ed Piorek about the childhood experiences that provoked him to seek the Lord. They also discuss how the Father’s love shaped his life, leadership and church, as well as his own parenting. Finally, Ed talks about pioneering intimate language in worship and shares a fatherly word for Vineyard pastors and leaders.  Ed Piorek, known as Eddie to his friends, is a Pastor Emeritus, speaker, and author who helps people connect with the Father’s Love. With over 50 years in ministry, Eddie has a deep connection to the Father’s Love and the enormous impact it can have in people’s lives, including his own. He and his wife Janet (who has been his partner in ministry for the past half-century) embody and live out the message of the Father’s Love in their lives.   In recent years, Eddie has discovered the treasures of monastic contemplation, which has shown him how to find rest in the Father’s love amidst the ongoing rigors of kingdom ministry. His new book The Eclectic Contemplative (2020) shares his adventures on this ancient path.  When he isn’t preaching, speaking or writing, Eddie can be found surfing, gardening, reading, or spending time with his wife Janet in sunny San Clemente, California.  Notes:  Hear more from Ed on The Ferment

A Story of the Vineyard in Song – Cindy RethmeierShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, we continue our mini-series on the Vineyard USA National Conference session: A Story Of The Vineyard in Song. This week, Adam and Nicole Dill talk with Cindy Rethmeier about the early days of the Vineyard, how new songs were introduced, and some of the stories behind the original Vineyard songs. Cindy shares about how relationships influence songwriting, and navigating the balance of family life with leading worship. Cindy Rethmeier is one of the pioneering female worship leaders and songwriters of the modern worship era. She wrote some of Vineyard’s most well-known anthems (Exalt the Lord, I Bow Down) and served an integral role in children’s worship, penning the songs I Want to be Like Jesus and Good News. Cindy spent 7 years in an Anglican Church writing musical settings for prayers and seasonal antiphons for the liturgy, and her most-recent song —  co-written with Vineyard pastor and worship leader Ted Kim — is Kyrie Eléison, a lament based on a prayer of petition used in ancient Christian liturgies translating as “Lord, have mercy.” After many years in Southern California, Cindy currently lives in Tennessee with her husband of over 40 years, Steve. She has 2 children & 11 grandchildren who are the inspiration for her name songs & lighthearted, everyday-life songs.  Show Notes:  Hear more from Cindy on The Ferment I Want To Be Like Jesus

A Story of the Vineyard in Song – Brian DoerksenShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, we continue our mini-series on the Vineyard USA National Conference session: A Story Of The Vineyard in Song. This week, Adam and Nicole Dill talk with Brian Doerksen about his first encounter with the Vineyard and the doors it opened for him to pursue the faith his heart longed for. Brian shares the history behind the album “Changed By Your Glory” and the stories of how some of his most well-known songs came to be. They also discuss how he discerns his songwriting assignments, what makes a song evergreen, and some advice for newer Vineyard songwriters.  Brian is a songwriter, recording artist, and songwriting instructor (founder of ‘Unlocking Your Songs’), but most of all he loves spending time with his high-school sweetheart Joyce (they have been married for 38 years.) Brian & Joyce have 4 adult daughters and 2 adult sons with Fragile X Syndrome. His songs are known and sung internationally in faith communities of all kinds including ‘Come Now is the Time to Worship’, ‘Refiner’s Fire’, ‘Hope Of The Nations’ and ‘The River.’ Show notes:  Hear more from Brian on The Ferment   Changed By Your Glory 

A Story of the Vineyard in Song – The Making OfShow Podcast InformationWelcome back to the We Are Vineyard podcast! In today’s episode we are kicking off a mini-series about a very special session of this summer’s National Conference called “A Story of the Vineyard in Song.” In this episode, you will hear from the planning team (Adam Russell, Casey Corum, Melisa Keller, Caleb Maskell, and Nicole Dill) about why they decided to create this session and some behind-the-scenes stories about the planning process. Different members of the team also share why songs are such a cornerstone of the Vineyard Movement, how songs serve as a marker for us of time and place, and some of the songs that have been especially formational in each of their lives. Show notes: Vineyard Worship Essentials

Pastoral Succession Part 3: Branches Vineyard with Amanda ClarkShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, we continue our mini-series around pastoral succession with Super Regional Leader Joel Seymour interviewing Amanda Clark. Amanda shares about being born into a hyper-charismatic healing cult, navigating her relationship with Jesus after leaving that religious group, and her journey into ministry. Amanda and Joel talk through the things her pastor did to prepare the church for her to step into the lead pastor role, some of the challenges in her pastoral transition, and how she cared for her soul during that time.  Amanda Clark pastors Branches Church in Northern Indiana. She loves Jesus and hands-on culturally relevant ministry. She’s passionate about sharing meals around the table and building community through meaningful relationships. Amanda has been privileged to study the Bible at Northern Seminary and holds a Masters in New Testament Theology. Amanda is married to Justin, who is a talented video producer, artist, and musician. Justin and Amanda have served in ministry together since 2007, previously serving at Vineyard Community Church in Syracuse, Indiana, and The Vine in Goshen, Indiana.  When she isn’t prepping for a sermon, you might find her in the kitchen, or at the Farmer’s Market. Amanda enjoys spending time with her parents and her seven siblings, or anyone, really – she’s a people person! Show Notes:  Day of Giving: Seed & Soil  The Gospel People Don’t Want to Hear: Preaching Challenging Messages, Lisa Cressman Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church, Nijay Gupta We Are Vineyard: Tell Her Story podcast interview with Jay Pathak and Nijay Gupta

Pastoral Succession Part 2: Pearland Vineyard with Alan Allen and Kurt AttawayShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, we continue our mini-series around pastoral succession with Super Regional Leader Joel Seymour interviewing Alan Allen and Kurt Attaway. Alan shares his story of planting the church, and Kurt shares about being raised in the Vineyard and finding his way into ministry through the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. They talk about Alan calling out what he saw the Lord doing in Kurt and walking with him as they explored that calling, how they managed the family component of their relationship, and the role humility played in their transition. Finally, Alan and Kurt describe the nuts and bolts and heart work of their transition process and share some of the pain points they encountered along the way.  Alan Allen is the founding pastor of the Vineyard Church of Pearland, Texas, and currently serves as the Pastor of Care and Community.  Kurt Attaway stepped into the Lead Pastor role at Pearland Vineyard after serving on staff for 12 years. Kurt earned a BA in Psychology from The University of Texas San Antonio, which he attended on a full athletic scholarship. In 2012 he completed a Master of Arts in Marriage and Family Therapy from the University of Houston Clear Lake and spent 10 years being trained and practicing as a clinician. In addition to his role at Pearland Vineyard, Kurt currently serves on the Multiply Vineyard Team. He is married to Lauren and they have 4 children.    Show Notes:  Pearland Vineyard  Day of Giving: Seed & Soil    Vineyard History and Identity Resources:  The Way It Was by Carol Wimber 

Pastoral Succession Part 1: Matt Massey and Vineyard Cincinnati ChurchShow Podcast InformationThis episode of We Are Vineyard is the launch of a mini-series around pastoral succession. In this episode, Jay talks with Matt Massey about giving up his moralistic life to live how he wanted to in college and the ways his dad stayed engaged with him throughout his season of searching. Matt shares about his natural entrance to ministry in college, leaving a lucrative career to pursue pastoring, planting a church and then leaving it to take over a church in crisis, and refocusing the church on Kingdom ministry. Finally, Matt shares some advice both to people who are considering stepping into a lead pastor role at an existing church, and current lead pastors who are starting to plan for succession.  Matt is the lead pastor at Vineyard Cincinnati. He started his career at Procter & Gamble while at the same time volunteering with a youth ministry at Lakota High School. Following his graduation from Trinity Evangelical, he transitioned into full-time ministry. A few things that Matt enjoys include golf, learning people’s stories, mentoring young people, fantasy football, craft beer, and laughing a ton. He and his wife Kim live in Loveland, OH and have three adult daughters.     Show notes:  Old Paths, New Power by Daniel Henderson   Day of Giving: Seed & Soil    Vineyard History and Identity Resources: 

The Substance of Our Faith: Foundations for the History of Christian Doctrine with Douglas SweeneyShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, Caleb Maskell, Associate National Director of Theology and Education, talks with Douglas Sweeney about experiencing the church over the course of his academic journey, breaking down the word “doctrine”, and discovering it through our daily walk with Christ. Doug shares why he started his project on the history of doctrine with the coming of the Holy Spirit, the right and best way to draw on the riches of scripture, and how to navigate a world where so many teachers are offering different ways of thinking about scripture. Finally, Doug shares some resource suggestions for pastors who want to continue growing in their understanding of scripture. Douglas Sweeney became the second dean of Beeson Divinity School in 2019. In this role, he shepherds the institution by providing strategic leadership and facilitating its work to prepare men and women for gospel ministry. Before coming to Beeson, Sweeney taught Aquinas College, Yale Divinity School, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, the University of Heidelberg, and several other schools in the United States and abroad. He is the author or editor of more than 20 books on the history of Christian doctrine, early modern Protestant history, American church history, Christology and global evangelicalism. His latest book is called The Substance of Our Faith: Foundations for the History of Christian Doctrine (Baker Academic). It is the first of two volumes on the global history of doctrine, or the history of the teaching of the Christian faith in churches all around the world since the time of the apostles. Sweeney is an evangelical Lutheran affiliated with Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ. He is married to Wilma, and they have one adult son, David, and daughter-in-law, Stephanie.   Show Notes: The Substance of Our Faith by Douglas Sweeney  Day of Giving: Seed & Soil    Vineyard History and Identity Resources: 

God Gave Rock & Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music with Dr. Leah PayneShow Podcast InformationIn this episode of We Are Vineyard, Associate National Director of Theology and Education Caleb Maskell talks with Leah Payne about worship music. They discuss the difference between contemporary Christian music (CCM) and contemporary worship and the impact of Vineyard Worship on church music at large. They also talk about how worship music has been used outside of the church, and Leah shares a pastoral word for pastors and worship leaders.   Leah Payne is Associate Professor of American Religious History at Portland Seminary and a 2023–2024 Public Fellow at the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI). She holds a Ph.D. from Vanderbilt University and her research explores the intersection of religion, politics, and popular culture. Payne is author of God Gave Rock & Roll to You: a History of Contemporary Christian Music (Oxford University Press, 2024), and co-host of Rock That Doesn’t Roll, a Public Radio Exchange (PRX) podcast about Christian rock and its listeners and Weird Religion, a religion and pop culture podcast. Her writing and research has appeared in The Washington Post, NBC News, Religion News Service, and Christianity Today.   Show Notes:  Register for the 2024 Vineyard USA National Conference: Seed & Soil  Day of Giving: Seed & Soil