What Came Next

Content warning: substance abuse, substance use disorder, illegal commerce, physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, physical and sexual violence, torture, abduction, and trafficking. Brandon Andres Green is a father, familyman, survivor of abduction, trafficking, and torture, and immensely strong victim advocate. He faced trauma as a youth in Oklahoma, and recognizes those events as pivotal points in his personal journey. By the time he was eighteen, he had been launched down a path rife with dangerous, illegal activities. But just weeks after graduating high school, on Independence Day 2003, his freedom from a life of physical pain would be stolen from him forever. Still, Brandon remains to be a beacon of light, love, and hope for everyone who hears his story. The Broken Cycle Media team is honored he was willing to share some of his journey and what came next for him with us today. Sources: Subterranean Psychonaut by This Land Press https://thislandpress.com/2013/07/28/subterranean-psychonaut/ House Approves Updated Language in Statutes Related to Child Sex Trafficking https://www.okhouse.gov/posts/news-20240306_1 Resources: For a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to TryMiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Again, that’s TryMiracle.com/WCN and use code WCN to treat yourself!

Content Warning: physical, emotional, and mental abuse, addiction disorder, substance abuse, substance use disorder, rape, statutory rape, child abuse, sexual abuse, child sexual abuse, extrafamilial child sexual abuse, serial sexual abuse, suicidal ideation, and suicide. As shared in Part 1 of his story, Seth Gehle is a father, veteran, speaker, and victim advocate from Ohio. Seth faced ongoing sexual abuse in his youth, and recently began to share about his experiences and all that came next legally and personally. Seth’s mission is to use his story to bring awareness to society and offer hope to other survivors, and we are so grateful he is here to do so with us, especially considering April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month. Resources: If you suspect someone in your life has been sexually assaulted or abused, please contact your nearest law enforcement office or the National Sexual Assault Hotline: https://www.rainn.org/resources For more resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Sources: Seth Interviews the Officer that Helped Him: https://youtu.be/zdjTTvBb2rY?si=ClzXV3-VCtS61Ewy Child Sexual Abuse/Violence Prevention: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childsexualabuse/fastfact.html The incidence and prevalence of intrafamilial and extrafamilial sexual abuse of female children: A Study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6605793/ Characteristics of Extrafamilial & Intrafamilail Child Sexual Abuse: A Study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9777261/ Thank you again to Factor for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to head to factormeals.com/wcn50 and use code WCN50 to get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next box while your subscription is active!

Content Warning: physical, emotional, and mental abuse, addiction disorder, substance abuse, substance use disorder, rape, statutory rape, child abuse, sexual abuse, child sexual abuse, extrafamilial child sexual abuse, serial sexual abuse, suicidal ideation, and suicide. Seth Gehle is a father, veteran, speaker, and victim advocate from Ohio. Seth faced ongoing sexual abuse in his youth, and recently began to share about his experiences and all that came next legally and personally. Seth’s mission is to use his story to bring awareness to society and offer hope to other survivors, and we are so grateful he is here to do so with us, especially considering April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month. Resources: National Sexual Assault Hotline: https://www.rainn.org/resources For more resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Sources: Seth Interviews the Officer that Helped Him: https://youtu.be/zdjTTvBb2rY?si=ClzXV3-VCtS61Ewy

Content Warning: gun violence, child abuse, sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse, intrafamilial child sexual abuse, abduction, kidnapping, attempted kidnapping, suicidal ideation, and suicide. Alexis Garcia is a mother, survivor, and victim advocate from Chicago. This is the first time she has ever shared on a public platform about the abuse she faced when she was a child. Her healing journey was extensive and seemingly never-ending, as she was often met with disbelief. However, after years, she was able to see her abuser put behind bars. Still, her healing and advocacy continues as she works to break cycles in her own family. Alexis’s courage and strength amidst all that came next for her are a true example of the power of resilience. Resources: Something Was Wrong Resources National Sexual Assault Hotline Coping with the Shock of Intrafamilial Abuse Preventive Measures Against Intrafamilial Child Sexual Abuse Sources: Characteristics of intrafamilial and extrafamilial child sexual abuse Thank you again to MiracleMade for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to go to trymiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free three piece towel set and save over 40%!

Content Warning: stalking, assault, sexual assault, serial sexual assault, rape, serial rape, abduction, kidnapping, home invasion, armed assault, gun violence, and criminal threats. As shared in Part 1 of her story, Danielle Leukam is a mother, nurse, author, survivor, speaker, and victim advocate from Minnesota. In November of 2018 her entire life changed forever after becoming a victim of home invasion and sexual assault. The journey to find and convict her rapist was long and arduous, but Danielle leaned on the community and professionals around her to prevail. She continues to share all that comes next in her journey and fight for justice in hopes of bringing awareness and inspiring other survivors. Danielle's website https://www.danielleleukam.com/ Danielle's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/danielleleukam/ Danielle's Amazon Author page WISH: We Inspire Survivor Healing https://www.weinspiresurvivorhealing.com/ Thank you again to Babbel & SurfShark for sponsoring this episode.  Don't forget, you can get 55% off your Babbel subscription, but only for listeners at babbel.com/WCN. Rules and restrictions may apply. Also, remember, secure your privacy with Surfshark. Get Surfshark VPN at surfshark.deals/WCN and enter the promo code WCN for three extra months for free! For a list of related non-profit organizations and resources, please visit somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content Warning: stalking, assault, sexual assault, serial sexual assault, serial rape, abduction, kidnapping, home invasion, armed assault, gun violence, and criminal threats. Danielle Leukam is a mother, nurse, author, survivor, speaker, and victim advocate from Minnesota. In November of 2018 her entire life changed forever after becoming a victim of home invasion and sexual assault. The journey to find and convict her rapist was long and arduous, but Danielle leaned on the community and professionals around her to prevail. She continues to share all that comes next in her journey and fight for justice in hopes of bringing awareness and inspiring other survivors. Danielle's website https://www.danielleleukam.com/ Danielle's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/danielleleukam/ Danielle's Amazon Author page For a list of related non-profit organizations and resources, please visit somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to SurfShark and Factor for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to try Surfshark VPN totally risk-free with a 30-day money-back guarantee today at surfshark.deals/WCN & enter promo code WCN for three extra months for free! And remember to visit factormeals.com/wcn50 and use code wcn50 to get 50% off. 

*Content warning: suicidal ideation, love fraud, financial fraud, domestic violence, physical abuse, and stalking. As shared in Part One of Donna Hayes story, Donna is a mother, actress, singer, businesswoman, & author. Donna shares her experiences of domestic violence, divorce, and the various events that she believes led her to be a victim of love and financial fraud. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Donna was willing to share all that came next for her amidst her legal battle, as well as her journey sharing via cabaret show, book, podcast, television, and more. Donna’s Websites Donna-Hayes.com Distinguishedcoaching.com Donna’s Instagram https://www.instagram.com/iamdonna_hayes/ Donna’s Facebook https://www.facebook.com/donna.hayes.925 These Broken Roads: Scammed & Vindicated, One Woman’s Story https://amzn.to/3IfQJ2x Gotham Writing Classes https://www.writingclasses.com/ Sibylline Press https://sibyllinepress.com/donna-marie-hayes/ New FTC Data Shows Consumers Reported Losing Nearly 8.8 Billion in 2022 Scams https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/02/new-ftc-data-show-consumers-reported-losing-nearly-88-billion-scams-2022 Bureau of Justice Statistics on Financial Fraud https://bjs.ojp.gov/taxonomy/term/financial-fraud Thank you again to Magic Spoon & Better Help for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to visit MagicSpoon.com/WCN and use the code WCN to save $5 off. Also, visit BetterHelp.com/WCN today to get 10% off your first month. For additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: body shaming, domestic violence, physical abuse, verbal abuse, stalking, love fraud, and financial fraud. Donna Hayes is a mother, actress, singer, author & businesswoman from Jamaica. In the following two episodes, she shares her experiences of domestic violence, divorce, and the various events that she believes led her to be a victim of love and financial fraud. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Donna was willing to share all that came next for her amidst her legal battle, as well as her journey sharing about her trauma via cabaret show, book, podcast, television, and more. Donna’s Websites Donna-Hayes.com Distinguishedcoaching.com Donna’s Instagram https://www.instagram.com/iamdonna_hayes/ Donna’s Facebook https://www.facebook.com/donna.hayes.925 These Broken Roads: Scammed & Vindicated, One Woman’s Story https://amzn.to/3IfQJ2x For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: sexual, physical and emotional violence involving children, childhood abuse, sexual abuse of a child, rape, statutory rape, child sex abuse materials, pedophilia, human trafficking, suicidal ideation, and suicide.  As shared in Part 1 of the Something Was Wrong Season 15 Episode 5 Updates, Diana's episode,The Devil in Disguise, was released on March 2nd, 2023. In the episode, Diana (a mother, medical professional, sister, and friend to many) bravely shares about her relationship with the monster who she would eventually find out had sexually abused her daughter and niece. The episode also highlights some of what came next for Diana after the FBI unearthed the truth about her former partner's abusive behavior and trafficking attempts. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful that Diana was willing to join us today to share more about her journey and the recent justice she and some of his other victims have been given. Please note pseudonyms are used in this episode to protect guests anonymity.   This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Diana's sister, Anne Marie. SWW S15 E5 [Diana] The Devil in Disguise https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-diana-the-devil-in-disguise/ RAINN Network http://www.rainn.org RAINN Statistics on Childhood Sexual Abuse https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens United States Sentencing Commission Statistocs on Child Pornography Production https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2021/20211013_Production-CP.pdf United States Sentencing Commission on Child Pornography Offenders https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Child_Pornography_FY22.pdf For additional resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you to Factor for sponsoring this episode. Head to factormeals.com/wcn50 and use code WCN50 to get 50% off your order.

*Content warning: sexual, physical and emotional violence involving children, childhood abuse, sexual abuse of a child, rape, statutory rape, child sex abuse materials, pedophilia, human trafficking, suicidal ideation, and suicide. Season 15, Episode 5 of Something Was Wrong, [Diana] The Devil in Disguise was released on March 2nd, 2023. In the episode, Diana (mother, medical professional, sister, and friend to many) bravely shares about her relationship with the man who she would eventually find out had sexually abused her daughter and niece. The episode also highlights some of what came next for Diana after the FBI unearthed the truth about her former partner’s abusive behavior and trafficking attempts. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful that Diana was willing to join us today to share more about her journey, and the recent justice she and all of his other victims have been given. Please note, pseudonyms are used in this episode to protect guests’ anonymity. This episode is in loving memory of Diana's sister, Anne Marie.  Something Was Wrong S15 E5 [Diana] The Devil in Disguise https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-diana-the-devil-in-disguise/ For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Babbel for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget our special, limited time deal for our listeners. Right now get 50% off a ONE-TIME PAYMENT FOR A LIFETIME Babbel subscription - but only for our listeners - at Babbel.com/WCN. Rules and restrictions may apply.

*Content warning: hate crimes, bigotry, racism, gun violence, child loss, parent loss, and mass murder. Mindy Corporon is a speaker, author, founder, and CEO from Oklahoma. She attributes her personal and professional success to her loving, tight-knit upbringing. However, everything she knew to be true would be deeply challenged on April 13th, 2014, when her father and son were murdered in a hate crime. Mindy has allowed her faith and her unending fortitude born from her family, to withstand all that came next for them. This includes a legal battle to convict their murderer, the publication of her memoir, Healing a Shattered Soul, the creation of a foundation, and the unending mission to inspire others wading through the throes of grief. The Broken Cycle media team is very grateful Mindy is sharing her journey with us today, as well as for her continued advocacy work. I am also personally grateful for her sisterhood in survivorship, as we are lifelong members of the same sorority. This episode is dedicated in loving memory to Reat Underwood, Dr. William Lewis Corporon, & Terri LaManno. Mindy's website https://www.mindycorporon.com/ Healing a Shattered Soul by Mindy Corporon https://www.mindycorporon.com/healing-a-shattered-soul/ Real Grief, Real Healing with Mindy https://www.mindycorporon.com/real-grief-real-healing/ Seven Days: Make a Ripple, Change the World https://sevendays.org/our-story/the-ripple Laws Against Hate Crimes Don’t Exist in Kansas https://www.ksnt.com/news/laws-against-hate-crimes-dont-exist-in-kansas/ Hate Crime Laws and Policies https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/laws-and-policies FBI 2014 Hate Crime Statistics https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2014-hate-crime-statistics FBI 2022 Hate Crime Statistics https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics USA Today on Hate Crimes Hit Record Levels https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/05/hate-crimes-hit-record-levels-in-2023-why-2024-could-be-even-worse/72118808007/ How to Report a Hate Crime https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/report-a-hate-crime Hate Crime Prevention https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crimes-prevention Thank you to both BetterHelp & Magic Mind for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to visit betterhelp.com/WCN today to get 10% off your first month. And try MagicMind today by going to  www.magicmind.com/WCN to get up to 50 percent off your subscription if you order in the next 10 days with the code WCN, or use the code anytime to receive 20% off a one time purchase. For additional resources or a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: sexual assault, childhood abuse, trauma, true crime, and murder. This week we're taking a break from our regularly-scheduled survivor interviews to answer listeners' questions. Thank you so much for the continuous support of What Came Next, the survivors we interview, and the brands that sponsor us. Please also consider re-listening to (or sharing) some of your favorite episodes until next week! Something Was Wrong/What Came Next submissions https://somethingwaswrong.com/submissions/ What Came Next Podcast Instagram http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete's Silence https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000619765637 [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kelly-gee-what-happens-next-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000641401487 End Violence Against Women International https://evawintl.org/ For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: domestic violence, capital punishment, abduction, rape, and murder. Stacie McBride-Cox is a mother, sister, educator, and former lawyer. Her faith and fortitude were deeply tested in 1995, after the abduction and murder of her beloved sister, Tracie. Since then, The McBride family’s efforts for awareness have been seen on Good Morning America, Inside Edition, The 1990’s: The Deadliest Decade, and more.  Stacie’s poise, power, & perspective amidst all that came next for her family is truly unrivaled, and a testament to the role model she had in her big sister, Tracie. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful that Stacie was willing to share her nearly thirty-year journey of heartache and healing with us today.  Stacie’s Instagram http://www.instagram.com/staciemcbridecox Tracie Joy McBride Scholarship Fund: http://www.tjmscholarshipfund.com Gold Star Families: https://www.army.mil/goldstar/ The 1990’s: The Deadliest Decade: https://www.discoveryplus.com/show/1990s-the-deadliest-decade What Came Next Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast Thank you again to Babbel and Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Remember to visit http://babbel.com/WCN to get 55% off your Babbel subscription and start learning today! Rules and restrictions may apply.  And don't forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made. Go to http://trymiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free 3-piece towel set and save over 40% off. Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! For further resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

*Content warning: cyberstalking, stalking, death threats, and abduction. Lenora Claire is a survivor, advocate, producer, private investigator, and consultant from Los Angeles, California. Her career in entertainment and the arts skyrocketed in the early 2000’s, but were largely derailed when she began to face stalking at the hands of a perpetrator that also stalks several celebrities. Her experiences in the legal system, within the media, and in helping other survivors since have propelled her to redefine herself several times over. As a result, she serves the survivor community deeply in many different ways, no matter what continues to come next in her journey, and we are so honored she is sharing a portion of it all with us today. Lenora Claire https://www.lenoraclairellc.com/ Lenora's Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lenoraclaire Special K Investigations https://www.specialkpi.com/ Sparc https://www.stalkingawareness.org/ For more resources or a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, suicide, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse. As he shared in 'Against Big Odds // Part One,' Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach, and the current powerhouse executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving ongoing sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change present and future resources and support for all victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Kelly’s advocacy and continued efforts for survivors, as well as for this conversation.  Survivors for Change https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ Survivor for Change Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/ The Incubation of Silence https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy The Army of Survivors https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/ Child USA https://childusa.org/ “I Was One of Them:’ Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/WCN and celebrate the progress you’ve already made. Don’t forget, you’ll get 10% off your first month if you visit betterhelp.com/WCN For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673  and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone.

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse. Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach and the current executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving  sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change, present and future resources and support for all victims.  Survivors for Change https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ “I Was One of Them:’ Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ The Incubation of Silence https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy Trauma-Informed Care in Behavioral Health Services: Understanding the Impact of Trauma https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/ This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/WCN and celebrate the progress you’ve already made. Don’t forget, you’ll get 10% off your first month if you visit betterhelp.com/WCN For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673  and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone.

Content warning: gun violence, homicide, murder, and substance abuse. Evin and Melissa Marshall shared about the heartbreaking loss of Evin's father, Richard, in part one of their story. The Broken Cycle media team is extremely grateful they were willing to share more of their journey, healing, and the trauma that they continue to sift through in the wake of Richard's absence. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Richard Donald Marshall.   Food For Lane County https://www.foodforlanecounty.org/ For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: gun violence, homicide, murder, and substance abuse. Melissa and Evin Marshall's lives changed forever in late February of 2021. The murder of Evin's beloved father, Richard Donald Marshall, deeply impacted people across the country. Evan and Melissa's consequent heartbreak didn't end there though, and neither has their tenacity. Relatedly, it means so much that they were willing to discuss their journey, and all that ensued afterwards with us on What Came next. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Richard Donald Marshall.   Food For Lane County https://www.foodforlanecounty.org/ For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: abuse, child abuse, gun violence, grief, loss, death, and murder. Chaplain Peggy has been a victim and patient advocate for over twenty years. She found her calling after America faced mass tragedy on September 11th 2001. After that day, she felt forced to answer a deeper call to serve her community, especially for those members in greater need. She also is co-host on the impactful podcast, Near Death, with Nikki Boyer, on which she shares more about her grief work. This conversation with Chaplain Peggy is deeply appreciated. This is also the very first interview we have conducted with an advocate that does not identify as a victim herself, but who has brought much healing and support to the victim community. We are so very grateful for her work with victims and other patients alike, as well as this candid conversation about the intricacies of her experiences as a chaplain in the most populous county in the United States. Near Death podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/near-death/id1689779166 Peggy's Instagram http://www.instagram.com/chaplainpeggy For more resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources  

*Content warning: suicidal ideation, stalking, cyberstalking, arson, death threats, violent threats. As shared in Part One of Vanessa V.'s story, we first heard from her on Discovery’s Unraveled. However, her journey as a stalking victim started nearly two decades before her media-based advocacy journey began. Over those two decades, Vanessa experienced escalating, cyclical cyberstalking that effected all facets of her life. Still, Vanessa’s tenacity and strength shines through, as she continues to reinvent herself amidst all that comes next in her battle to be recognized and to receive justice.   Unraveled: The Stalker's Web Podcast https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/podcasts/unraveled-the-stalkers-web N.Y. Post Article on Vanessa’s Experiences https://nypost.com/2021/06/13/women-call-out-staten-island-cyber-stalker-for-revenge-porn/ For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources