What Came Next

Content warning: gender-based violence, abuse, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, and rape. Alison Jones-Lockwood is a mother and victim advocate in Colorado. Her career in aiding survivors began years ago while she was in college, and continues to this day. Although her journey recently pivoted when she became Executive Director of the Rape Crisis Center for Northern Colorado, at the time of our recording she worked with EVAWI or End Violence Against Women International. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful Alison was able to offer such a broad perspective of the advocacy arena, as well as a detailed account of what’s coming next for EVAWI, as the organization works to change the criminal justice and legal landscapes for victims. Although the importance of advocacy work is always relevant, this conversation is especially timely considering October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. Sources: How the Indy Star and Rachael Denhollander took down Larry Nassar. (2018, January 25). CNN; CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/larry-nassar-indy-star/index.html Investigative Journalist Digs Deeper to Tell Overlooked Stories. (2023, December 5). CSUNshine Today. https://csunshinetoday.csun.edu/community/investigative-journalist-digs-deeper-to-tell-overlooked-stories/ Miller, T., & Armstrong, K. (2015, December 16). An Unbelievable Story of Rape. ProPublica. https://www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an-unbelievable-story Resources: SAVA Center: https://www.savacenter.org/ End Violence Against Women International: https://evawintl.org/ Metropolitan Organization to Counter Sexual Assault: https://mocsa.org/ For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources 

Content warning: sibling abuse, sexual harassment, voyeurism, stalking, rape, narcissistic abuse, professional abuse, self-harm, and suicide. As shared in part one of her story, Amanda is a mother, mental health compliance professional, and advocate. Nearly twenty years ago, Amanda was employed by a fixture in the family court whose deviousness would be unearthed in 2007 when he faced charges for alleged voyeurism. Her experiences surviving professional abuse, sexual harassment, and suspected voyeurism at the hands of this renowned forensic psychologist have been motivation in Amanda’s mission to ensure the mental health industry fosters safety and wellness. In this episode, Amanda bravely shares what she was subjected to within the walls of this psychologist’s office, and what came next within her healing journey after freeing herself of the abuse. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Amanda‘s time, energy, professional perspective, and the awareness about professional abuse she is cultivating today and within her work. Resources: Simon, C. (1998). Mad House: Growing Up in the Shadow of Mentally Ill Siblings. Penguin Publishing Group. Zahariades, D. (2017). The Art of Saying No: How To Stand Your Ground, Reclaim Your Time And Energy, And Refuse To Be Taken For Granted (Without Feeling Guilty!). What Came Next, Episode 21 [Tina Swithin] One Mom's Battle: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tina-swithin-one-moms-battle/id1674051643?i=1000618845906 Sources: Congress Criminalizes Video Voyeurism. (n.d.). Women’s Congressional Policy Institute. https://www.wcpinst.org/source/congress-criminalizes-video-voyeurism/ White, T. (2018). Few video voyeurism cases result in prison sentences. WPRI 12 News. https://www.wpri.com/target-12/few-video-voyeurism-cases-result-in-prison-sentences/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: sibling abuse, sexual harassment, voyeurism, stalking, rape, narcissistic abuse, professional abuse, self-harm, and suicide. Amanda is a mother, mental health compliance professional, and advocate. Nearly twenty years ago, Amanda was employed by a fixture in the family court whose deviousness would be unearthed in 2007 when he faced charges for alleged voyeurism. Her experiences surviving professional abuse, sexual harassment, and suspected voyeurism at the hands of this renowned forensic psychologist have been motivation in Amanda’s mission to ensure the mental health industry fosters safety and wellness. In this episode, Amanda bravely shares what she was subjected to within the walls of this psychologist’s office, and what came next within her healing journey after freeing herself of the abuse. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Amanda‘s time, energy, professional perspective, and the awareness about professional abuse she is cultivating today and within her work. Thank you again to CBDistillery and Mint Mobile for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to visit CBDistillery.com and use code WCN for 20% off. And to get your Mint Mobile customer offer and your new 3-month premium wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month, go to MintMobile.com/WCN. For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, and physical, emotional, mental, and financial abuse. Allyn Amerongen is a mental health advocate, podcaster, and survivor of narcissistic abuse. Allyn just launched her new podcast, When Heaven Meets Hell, to highlight her experiences and healing. She also hopes to offer listeners resources and tools to thrive after their own abusive experiences. The Broken Cycle Media team is thankful for Allyn’s perspective, energy, and work in the advocacy space despite all that continues to comes next for her amidst her healing journey.   Allyn’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/allyn.amerongen When Heaven Meets Hell podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-heaven-meets-hell/id1757647021 For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode! Don’t forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to TryMiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Again, that’s TryMiracle.com/WCN to treat yourself.

Content warning: substance abuse, substance use disorder, infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, assault, attempted murder, and gun violence. As shared in part one of her story, Jessie Buttafuoco is a mental health professional, advocate, speaker, and co-victim of gun violence from Long Island, New York. Her journey in the media began at an incredibly young age, as the result of a vicious attack and attempt against her mother's life in 1992.  Shortly thereafter, pieces of Jessie's family story would be covered by what felt like every media outlet. However, Jessie's own experiences navigating the media, growing up in the public eye, and healing from prolonged trauma have gone largely unshared. Her goals in imparting more of what came next in her personal journey are to bring awareness to the impact and potential detriment of non-consensual media coverage, to offer support to other survivors, and to change the legislative landscape for future generations. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful that Jessie was willing to share so much of her over 30-year journey within the true crime landscape with our audience today. Jessie's website: https://www.jessiebuttafuoco.com/ Jessie’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jessiebuttafuoco Jessie’s Podcast, Live Your Life Kween: https://open.spotify.com/show/3ueLsPkZA2bj2I9Qk85Xfz Sources: Haidt, J. (2024). The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. Penguin Press. Efron, Z., Hudgens, V. and Seeley, D. (2006). Start of something new [Song]. High school musical soundtrack [Album]. Walt Disney. For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: substance abuse, substance use disorder, infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, assault, attempted murder, and gun violence. Jessie Buttafuoco is a mental health professional, advocate, speaker, and co-victim of gun violence from Long Island, New York. Her journey in the media began at an incredibly young age, as the result of a vicious attack and attempt against her mother's life in 1992.  Shortly thereafter, pieces of Jessie's family story would be covered by what felt like every media outlet. However, Jessie's own experiences navigating the media, growing up in the public eye, and healing from prolonged trauma have gone largely unshared. Her goals in imparting more of what came next in her personal journey are to bring awareness to the impact and potential detriment of non-consensual media coverage, to offer support to other survivors, and to change the legislative landscape for future generations. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful that Jessie was willing to share so much of her over 30-year journey within the true crime landscape with our audience today. Jessie's website: https://www.jessiebuttafuoco.com/ Jessie’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jessiebuttafuoco Jessie’s Podcast, Live Your Life Kween: https://open.spotify.com/show/3ueLsPkZA2bj2I9Qk85Xfz For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: stalking, cyberstalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, domestic violence, and murder. Something Was Wrong Season 19 featuring Amy's episodes began airing January 11th, 2024 and finished airing February 8th of the same year.  In the five episodes, Amy's tenacity and resiliency became resoundingly clear as she and her loved ones recounted all they faced amidst years of stalking and cyber stalking. Through what felt like a never-ending criminal justice and legal battle, Amy would eventually put her stalker, Morrison, behind bars, and she would share in hopes of finding more of his victims. She returns today to share about all that's come next in the parole process since Season 19 ended, and all that she continues to work for in honor of other victims of stalking. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Amy's continued candidness and advocacy, as well as the time, energy, and awareness she's offered our listeners. Something Was Wrong Season 19: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/season/19/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Mint Mobile and Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to get Mint Mobile's new customer offer and your new three month premium wireless plan for just $15 a month. Go to mintmobile.com/wcn. See Mint Mobile for details. And remember to upgrade your sleep with MiracleMaid. Go to TryMiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free three piece towel set and save over 40 percent off!

Content warning: infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, stalking, cyberstalking, physical, emotional, mental, and financial abuse. Dr. Kathi Miner is an organizational psychologist, professor, author, and survivor from Southern California. After losing her mother at a very young age, Kathi gained a poignant view of the universe and her desired place in it. As a result, she would eventually become a professor of women’s studies and psychology. She also forged her own family with her ex-husband. However, after finding out about his egregious infidelities and seeking a divorce, Dr. Miner’s entire world would be turned upside down when she began to face incessant narcissistic abuse upon leaving her ex. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely thankful that Dr. Miner was willing to join us today to offer so much of her time, personal perspective, professional expertise, and advocacy.  Dr. Miner's website: https://kathiminerphd.com/ Dr. Miner's Book: Dr. Miner's TikTok: http://www.tiktok.com/kathinminerphd Dr. Miner's Instagram: http://ww.instagram.com/kathiminerphd For more information about narcissistic abuse, listen to SWW Data Points: Narcissistic Abuse (featuring Vanessa Reiser, LCSW): https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-data-points-narcissistic-abuse-featuring-vanessa-reiser-lcsw/ For further resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Greenlight and Miraclemade for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget that you can sign up for Greenlight today and get your first month free when you go to greenlight.com/WCN. And don't forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to trymiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free three piece towel set and save over 40% off.

Content warning: sexual assault, rape, abduction, murder, and serial murder. Charlie Shunick is a Louisiana educator, co-victim of murder, and advocate for missing persons and their loved ones. The devastating mid-2012 disappearance and murder of her sister, Mickey, altered her life forever. Since then, it is Charlie’s tenacious spirit that has carried her through and enabled her to use her voice for justice and ethical advocacy. Although the road has been difficult and at times debilitating, Charlie has navigated the media, the criminal justice system, and the aftermath of losing her beloved sister, with incredible grace. The Broken Cycle Media team is so thankful that Charlie was willing to share her journey, and her incredible perspective of the true crime landscape throughout it.  Sources: National Missing and Unidentified Persons System: Reports and Statistics. (n.d.). https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/library/reports-and-statistics Resources: Missed Australia: https://missed.org.au/ Shunick Missing Persons: https://www.shunickmp.com/ Resource Association for Missing People: https://ramissingpeople.org/ Texas Equusearch Search & Recover: https://texasequusearch.org/ National Missing and Unidentified Persons System: https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/ Project Cold Case: http://projectcoldcase.org Charlie Shunick: Charlie's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/grrrlcharlie Shunick Missing Persons on TikTok: http://www.tiktok.com/shunickmissingpersons Shunick Missing Persons on Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/shunickmissingpersons For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: domestic violence, family violence, child-to-caregiver violence, sibling abuse, cultic abuse, religious abuse, abortion, and mental illness.  Mary Garden is a mother, educator, journalist, author, survivor, and advocate from New Zealand. She was born into a family with a great deal of history and many layers of generational trauma that normalized abusive behavior from as early as she can remember. However, it wasn’t until escaping her family home, eventually forging her own family, and healing through writing and speaking, that Mary truly began to understand the impact of her journey. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Mary’s advocacy, openness, and grace while discussing the ongoing tragedy of familial and sibling abuse.   Mary’s website: https://www.marygarden.com.au/  Mary’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/garden.mary  My Father’s Suitcase: A story of family secrets, abuse & betrayal - and breaking free https://www.marygarden.com.au/deliveries For additional resources & a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Babbel for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget, get up to 60% off your Babbel subscription - but only for our listeners - at Babbel.com/WCN - Rules and restrictions may apply.

Content warning: stalking, emotional abuse, mental abuse, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, and rape. Susanne Gold-Smith is a mother, creative, advocate, and survivor from New York. Her ability to transcend tragedy and prevail after heartache are defining characteristics apparent in each of her endeavors. However, her personal journey took a dark turn after she was allegedly stalked and sexually assaulted by a private investigator. The event would launch her down a precarious legal path and an onslaught of efforts to seek justice. All that continues to come next in Susanne’s battle is a testament not only to her personal strength, but also to what the criminal justice system requires of victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for her time, energy, and the advocacy she is curating by sharing and bringing awareness today. Susanne's website: https://www.susannegoldsmith.com/ Not This Time by Susanne Gold-Smith: https://youtu.be/e0trndqFhRI?feature=shared The Safe Center: https://www.tscli.org/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Don't forget Ice Cold Case is available now. Listen for free on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Content warning: stalking, emotional and mental abuse, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, and rape.  Susanne Gold-Smith is a mother, creative, advocate, and survivor from New York. Her ability to transcend tragedy and prevail after heartache are defining characteristics apparent in each of her endeavors. However, her personal journey took a dark turn after she was allegedly stalked and sexually assaulted by a private investigator. The event would launch her down a precarious legal path and an onslaught of efforts to seek justice. All that continues to come next in Susanne’s battle is a testament not only to her personal strength, but also to what the criminal justice system requires of victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for her time, energy, and the advocacy she is curating by sharing and bringing awareness today. Susanne's website: https://www.susannegoldsmith.com/ The Safe Center: https://www.tscli.org/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Greenlight for sponsoring this episode. Sign up for Greenlight today and get your first month free when you go to greenlight.com/wcn. 

Content warning: child-to-parent violence, sibling abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual assault, and suicidal ideation. As shared in Part One of his updates, John-Michael Lander is a former Olympic-bound diver, actor, author, speaker, and advocate. His words and efforts have been seen everywhere from TIME magazine to the TED Talk stage; he has entitled his experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking “An Athlete’s Silence.” By sharing his story on What Came Next Episode 22 entitled An Athlete’s Silence and elsewhere, his goal is to bring awareness to predatory practices in the athletic and education worlds, as well as to change the way society receives sexual abuse victims. I am so honored he joined me AGAIN today to discuss updates in his journey. He also had the beautiful idea of flipping the script and host-swapping with Amy B. Chesler for this second part of these two episodes. The Broken Cycle Media deeply appreciates John-Michael’s time, dedication to his advocacy, and for the creativity he is bringing to these episodes. John-Michael Lander: An Athlete’s Silence: ​​https://anathletessilence.com/ John-Michael’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnmichaellander WCN Episode 22 [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete’s Silence: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000619765637 [Tabatha Ross-Brown] Believed Instead of Blamed: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000655144155 Amy B. Chesler: Keep Jesse Winnick in Prison: https://change.org/KEEPJESSEWINNICKINPRISON  Working for Justice: One Family’s Tale of Murder, Betrayal, & Healing https://amzn.to/42adAo7 Something Was Wrong Season 7: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/2dec880d-db88-4156-aa12-4f82dc496422/episodes/adb93563-71ee-484a-82a8-b74b74aec0c7/something-was-wrong-s7-e1-extreme-anger?ref=dm_sh_BeYRh06neVQMkqxYAAAP0lFnU Amy’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/amybchesler Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Maid. Just go to TryMiracle. com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free three piece towel set and to save over 40 percent off!

Episode *Content warning: extortion, sextortion, sexual extortion, sexual abuse, sexual assault, trafficking, sex trafficking, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and suicide. John-Michael Lander is a former Olympic-bound diver, actor, author, speaker, and advocate. His words and efforts have been seen everywhere from TIME magazine to the TED Talk stage; he has entitled his experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking “An Athlete’s Silence.” By sharing his story on What Came Next Episode 22 entitled An Athlete’s Silence and elsewhere, his goal is to bring awareness to predatory practices in the athletic and education worlds, as well as to change the way society receives sexual abuse victims. I am so honored he joined me again today to discuss updates in his journey. He also had the beautiful idea of flipping the script and host-swapping for the second part of the next two episodes. The Broken Cycle Media deeply appreciates John-Michael’s time, dedication to advocacy, and for the creativity he is bringing to the next couple episodes. Resources: U.S. Sextortion Laws by State: https://www.bark.us/blog/sextortion-laws/ New Jersey Coalition Against Human Trafficking:  https://www.safernj.org/ Sources: Gavin’s Law. (n.d.). South Carolina Department of Education. Retrieved July 6, 2024, from https://ed.sc.gov/newsroom/strategic-engagement/gavins-law/ John-Michael Lander: An Athlete’s Silence: ​​https://anathletessilence.com/ John-Michael’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnmichaellander WCN Episode 22 [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete’s Silence: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000619765637

Content Warning: emotional, mental, and physical abuse, narcissistic abuse, and mental illness. Vanessa Reiser is a licensed social worker, therapist, and an abuse survivor from New York. Her personal and professional histories have been deeply varied, but what remains to be constant are her tenacity and strength. She has reinvented herself and her path several times, but most especially after escaping an abusive relationship in 2020. Amidst all that came next for her, Vanessa has harnessed the media in all facets to curate healing and offer support to other survivors. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely thankful Vanessa was willing to share with us what she could about her transformative journey and all the awareness that’s come from it. Sources: VanDerBell, B. (2022, March). How Common is Narcissistic Abuse in the United States? Pysch Central. https://psychcentral.com/health/how-common-is-narcissistic-abuse-in-the-united-states#prevalence Resources:  Tell A Therapist: https://tellatherapist.net/ Vanessa’s book: https://amzn.to/3VUkiwY Vanessa’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/vanessareiserlcsw Vanessa's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@vanessareiser Narcissistic Abuse Run: https://narcissisticabuserun.com/ National Domestic Violence Hotline: https://www.thehotline.org/ Thank you again to Babbel for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget our special, limited time deal for our listeners. Right now get 55% off your Babbel subscription - but only for our listeners - at Babbel.com/WCN. Rules and restrictions may apply.