Wild No More, the Animal Domestication Podcast

Sara and Maria discuss goldfish as pets and as invasive species, goldfish abuse and goldfish intelligence.---Articles used in this episode:General goldfish domestication history: https://www.pnas.org/doi/suppl/10.1073/pnas.2005545117/suppl_file/pnas.2005545117.sapp.pdfMore general info, including US government distribution of goldfish: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/history-of-goldfishGenetic basis of morphological diversity in domesticated goldfish: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982220305480Feeding goldfish turmeric: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352513423002442Pearl essence: https://cosmeticsandskin.com/cdc/pearl-essence.phpMeteor goldfish: https://registerforum.org/20522/opinion/a-moral-dilemma-of-breeding-and-meteor-goldfish/Carrot the goldfish-koi hybrid: https://www.iflscience.com/giant-goldfish-hybrid-as-heavy-as-a-10-year-old-is-a-reminder-not-to-dump-your-pets-66317Australian goldfish migration: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/ginormous-goldfish-are-invading-australian-rivers-180960177/Distance goldfish migrate in Australia: https://phys.org/news/2016-08-gold-evidence-spawning-migration-football-size.htmlGoldfish spawning and parthenogenesis: https://www.agassizharrisonobserver.com/news/up-to-the-gills-in-goldfish-large-invasive-fish-a-problem-in-b-c-waters-expert-2014494Samuel Pepy’s goldfish observations: https://the-history-girls.blogspot.com/2016/04/samuel-pepys-and-goldfish-by-karen.htmlNapoleon’s goldfish: https://sainthelenaisland.info/goldfish.pdfRouhani’s goldfish statement: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35861954PT Barnum’s claims about introducing goldfish: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/the-great-goldfish-invasion-how-an-exotic-carp-took-over-america/264420/Goldfish fishery in Lake Erie: https://www.mlive.com/news/2016/04/great_lakes_goldfish.htmlJudas fish technique in Hamilton Harbour (Ontario): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0380133023002460Whole genome duplication in carp and goldfish: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-021-00933-9Chordin gene and its role in fantail goldfish: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-24444-7Goldfish gulping trend: https://americanhistory.si.edu/explore/stories/1939-year-goldfish-gulpingGoldfish scooping in Japan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfish_scoopingSwiss legislate keeping at least two goldfish: https://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/fishkeeping-news/swiss-legislation-to-affect-aquarium-hobby/Parkinson’s disease modelled in goldfish: https://faseb.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1096/fasebj.6.12.1521741Goldfish driving a terrestrial vehicle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOb--M5pi6Y—Music used in this episode: Nashville Vibes by Andy Warner https://tunetank.com/track/6477-nashville-vibes/

Sara and Maria discuss pigeons as domesticated animals and as a feral menace.--Stupid dove nests subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/stupiddovenests/?rdt=38535Neanderthals eating pigeons: https://phys.org/news/2014-08-ancient-pigeon-bones-reveal-secrets.htmlPigeon intelligence: https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-asymmetric-brain/201907/the-surprising-neuroscience-pigeon-intelligenceAncient Mesopotamian dovecotes: http://www.anthropology.uw.edu.pl/15/bne-15-02.pdfPigeons in ancient Rome and the Near East: https://www.asorblog.org/2017/11/28/not-just-birds-pigeons-roman-byzantine-near-east.htmlPigeon and thrush dung: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jpln.202300152The last known population of wild rock doves: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004222008926Thailand Laugher and Arabian Trumpeter images: https://www.pigeontype.info/2018/08/31/thailand-laugher-pigeons/Arabian trumpeter sound: https://youtu.be/bQif1fSBhe8Stargard shakers: https://youtu.be/GxkxTyDk3s8Homer’s reference to the silver doves of Messina: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Homer_-_Iliad,_translation_Pope,_1909.djvu/67Parlor rollers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiQOb6dMN28Tumbler pigeon: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sKzhk2zR340Mike Tyson’s pigeon spending habits: https://www.essentiallysports.com/boxing-news-how-much-are-mike-tysons-pigeons-worth/Pigeon pants (diapers): https://www.pigeonrescue.org/faqs-2/where-can-i-get-pigeon-pants/Pigeon contraception: https://www.audubon.org/magazine/cities-are-testing-birth-control-solve-pigeon-problemsWeight of pigeon poop per bird per year: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4494298/Pigeons as research model animals: https://academic.oup.com/socpro/article-abstract/55/1/72/1640224Jiguet et al., 2019, Urban pigeons losing toes due to human activities: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006320719306901Pigeon crop milk, signalling pathways (oxytocin etc.) and also stats on pigeon meat consumption in China: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0032579123002043Pigeon racing in Belgium, from 1818 to now (with doping!): https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8880243/Pigeon racing at the 1900 Olympics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeon_racing_at_the_1900_Summer_OlympicsChinese government cracks down on gambling on pigeon racing: https://www.pigeonsfci.net/news-detail-661f3a242f2a3.htmlPigeon racers in the Mishnah: https://www.sefaria.org/English_Explanation_of_Mishnah_Rosh_Hashanah.1.8.2?lang=biThe most expensive pigeons ever sold: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54953594Fastest pigeon racing stats: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/63785-fastest-pigeon-racePigeons in warfare: https://bjmh.gold.ac.uk/article/download/808/930Pigeons in the Franco-Prussian war: https://scholarworks.harding.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1115&context=tenorPigeons smuggling contraband into Brazilian prisons: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/01/pigeons-mobile-phones-brazil-prisonProject Pigeon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_PigeonCher Ami, the decorated war pigeon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher_AmiPigeons can detect breast cancer in medical images: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4651348/Orthographic learning: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1607870113Visual pattern recognition: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1439-0310.1989.tb00495.xPainting style discrimination: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1901/jeab.1995.63-165Pigeons prefer Bach to Stravinsky: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1985-00463-001Pope’s dove of peace: https://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/29/popes-dove-of-peace-attacked-by-seagull-of-irony/—Music used in this episode: Nashville Vibes by Andy Warner https://tunetank.com/track/6477-nashville-vibes/

Sara and Maria discuss the silk industry (sericulture) from its origin in Ancient China to modern times and some unexpected uses for silkworms.---References used in this episode include:China Silk Museum 2019. “China focus: world’s earliest silk fabrics discovered in central China’s ruins.” http://chinasilkmuseum.com/info_180.aspx?itemid=27699Gong et al., 2016. “Biomolecular evidence of silk from 8,500 years ago.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0168042Sun et al., 2012. “Phylogeny and evolutionary history of the silkworm.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22744178/American Museum of Natural History 2009. “The secret of silk.” https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/traveling-the-silk-road/take-a-journey/xian/silkHunt 2011. “Late Roman silk: smuggling and espionage in the 6th century CE.” http://traumwerk.stanford.edu/philolog/2011/08/byzantine_silk_smuggling_and_e.html via the Wayback Machinevan Mallery, 1595. “‘Emperor Justinian receiving the first imported silkworm eggs from Nestorian Monks,’ Plate 2 from ‘The introduction of the Silkworm’ (Vermis sericus).” https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/659738Laumonier 2020. “Medieval silkworm farming: a global perspective”. https://www.medievalists.net/2020/07/medieval-silkworm-farming/The Royal Palaces [of Sweden]. “Silk cultivation at Drottningholm.” https://www.kungligaslotten.se/english/articles-movies-360/drottningholm-palace/2020-10-14-silk-cultivation-at-drottningholm.htmlHeumann and Nadim, eds. “Silk culture: the history of silk farming in Prussia.” https://animalsasobjects.org/story.silk-culture/Burner Creek 1986. “Bombyx mori and Americans: or, here we go round the mulberry bush.” https://rbscp.lib.rochester.edu/2407Lullingstone Castle Silk Farm 2025. https://www.lullingstonecastle.co.uk/lullingstone-silk-farmDong et al., 2018. "Differences in gut microbiota between silkworms (Bombyx mori) reared on fresh mulberry (Morus alba var. multicaulis) leaves or an artificial diet" https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2018/ra/c8ra04627aDaimon et al., 2008. “ß-fructofuranosidase genes of the silkworm, Bombyx mori” https://www.jbc.org/article/S0021-9258(20)71550-4/fulltextNyamu et al., 201x. “Sericulture as a business.” https://infonet-biovision.org/products/sericulture-businessZhao et al., 2024. "From phyllosphere to insect cuticles: silkworms gather antifungal bacteria from mulberry leaves to battle fungal parasite attacks" https://microbiomejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40168-024-01764-6Tanaka et al., 2009. “Highly selective tuning of a silkworm olfactory receptor to a key mulberry leaf volatile.” https://www.cell.com/AJHG/fulltext/S0960-9822(09)01034-3Zhang et al., 2019. "A determining factor for insect feeding preference in the silkworm, Bombyx mori.” https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3000162Khosropanah et a., 2021. "Biomedical applications of silkworm (Bombyx Mori) proteins in regenerative medicine (a narrative review).” https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/term.3267Tansil et al., 2011. “Intrinsically coloured and luminescent silk.” https://advanced.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/adma.201003860Nisal et al., 2013.”Uptake of azo dyes into silk glands for production of coloured silk cocoons using a green feeding approach.” https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/sc400355kWu et al., 2021. "Nanocellulose reinforced silkworm silk fibers for application to biodegradable polymers.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264127521000903Mi et al., 2023. “High strength and ultra-tough whole spider silk fibres spun from transgenic silkworms” https://www.cell.com/matter/fulltext/S2590-2385(23)00421-6Andersson et al., 2016. “Silk spinning in silkworms and spiders” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5000687/Kraig Biocraft Laboratories https://www.kraiglabs.com/Cook 2017. “Silkworm foods.” https://www.wormspit.com/wormfoods.htmPanthee et al., 2017. Advantages of the silkworm as an animal model for developing novel antimicrobial agents” https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/microbiology/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2017.00373/fullWang et al., 2023. “Effects of different diets on the growth and development of young silkworms.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1226861523000985Song et al., 2023. “Phytol from Faeces Bombycis alleviated migraine pain by inhibiting Nav1.7 sodium channels.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378874123000296Patil et al., 2013. "Utilization of silkworm litter and pupal waste-an eco-friendly approach for mass production of Bacillus thuringiensis.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960852412020111 ---Music used in this episode: Nashville Vibes by Andy Warner https://tunetank.com/track/6477-nashville-vibes/

Dogs! Sara and Maria delve into canine prehistory, discuss dogs as pets, dogs as food, dogs as working animals and more. Maria's deepest fear is revealed.—Correction — the man who ran poodles in the Iditarod in the 1980s was named John Suter, not Sutton.—Wikipedia 2025. “Domestication of the dog.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication_of_the_dog and its referencesRange et al., 2019. “Wolves lead and dogs follow, but they both cooperate with humans.” https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-40468-yMarshall-Pescini et al., 2017. “Importance of a species’ socioecology: wolves outperform dogs in a conspecific cooperation task.” https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1709027114Stingray 2023. “Domestic dog gene causes black-coated wolves, gives competitive advantage.” https://buckrail.com/domestic-dog-gene-causes-black-coated-wolves-gives-competitive-advantage/Yamnuska Wolfdog Sanctuary 2025. https://www.yamnuskawolfdogsanctuary.com/Lahtinen et al., 2021. “Excess protein enabled dog domestication during severe Ice Age winters.” https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-78214-4Janssens et al., 2018. “A new look at an old dog: Bonn-Oberkassel reconsidered.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305440318300049Grimm 2017. “These may be the world's first images of dogs—and they're wearing leashes.” https://www.science.org/content/article/these-may-be-world-s-first-images-dogs-and-they-re-wearing-leashesFedje et al., 2021. “Karst caves in Haida Gwaii: archaeology and palaeontology at the Pleistocene-Holocene transition.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379121004285Range and Marshall-Pescini 2022. "Comparing wolves and dogs: current status and implications for human ‘self-domestication’.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661322000183Cook et al., 2016. "Awake canine fMRI predicts dogs' preference for praise vs food.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27521302/Axelsson et al., 2013. "The genomic signature of dog domestication reveals adaptation to a starch-rich diet.” https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11837Vonholdt et al., 2017. "Structural variants in genes associated with human Williams-Beuren syndrome underlie stereotypical hypersociability in domestic dogs.” https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1700398Guo et al., 2009. "Left gaze bias in humans, rhesus monkeys and domestic dogs.” https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10071-008-0199-3Waller et al., 2013. “Paedomorphic facial expressions give dogs a selective advantage.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0082686Kiviranta et al., 2021. “Persistent fontanelles in chihuahuas. Part I. Distribution and clinical relevance.” https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jvim.16151Jasiński 2020. “Dog in ancient Rome.” https://imperiumromanum.pl/en/article/dog-in-ancient-rome/MacKinnon and Belanger 2006. “In sickness and in health: care for an arthritic Maltese dog from the Roman cemetery of Yasmina, Carthage, Tunisia.” https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=8u4mDwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA38&ots=y_uvJo2FEZ&sig=e2Aa9ET8ycDWaJbwutWFjS7GwcQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=falseJohnston 2019. “The world of medieval dogs.” https://www.historytoday.com/miscellanies/world-medieval-dogdomWikipedia 2025. Guinefort. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuinefortWatson and Coombe 2019. "How the Victorians engineered the dog breeds we love today." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/history-of-modern-dog-breeds-invented-in-victorian-era/11019320Walsh 1878. “Dogs of the British Islands.” https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/78797#page/7/mode/1upGorvett et al., 2021. “The eccentric dog breeds that vanished.” https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20211105-the-bizarre-dog-breeds-time-forgotWikipedia 2025. Chiengora. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChiengoraCoren 2002. “The pawprints of history: dogs and the course of human events.” https://books.google.ca/books?id=ndYgity6bNwC&pg=PT246&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=church&f=false pp. 246-247Wikipedia 2025. “Hawaiian poi dog.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_Poi_DogWikipedia 2025. “Dog meat.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meatBBC 2016. “Yulin dog meat festival begins in China amid widespread criticism.” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-36583400H.R.6720 — 115th Congress (2017-2018). “Dog and cat meat trade prohibition act of 2018.” https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6720Pitulko and Kasparov 2017. “Archaeological dogs from the Early Holocene Zhokhov site in the Easter Siberian Arctic.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352409X16303157Berington and Berington 2025. “All about the dogs. Frequently asked questions.” https://www.seeingdoublesleddogracing.com/dog-faqs.htmlReamer 2022. “Here’s what happened to John Suter, the musher who rand poodles in the Iditarod.” https://www.adn.com/outdoors-adventure/iditarod/2022/03/06/heres-what-happened-to-john-suter-the-musher-who-ran-poodles-in-the-iditarod/Wikipedia 2025. “Pekingese.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PekingeseStoeckel et al., 2014. “Patterns of brain activation when mothers view their own child and dog: an fMRI study.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0107205Wikipedia 2025. “Dogs in warfare.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogs_in_warfareWilliamson 2019. “Dogs of the conquistadors.” https://warhistory.org/@msw/article/dogs-of-the-conquistadorsReeve et al., 2021. “Dog owners’ survey reveals medical alert dogs can alert to multiple conditions and multiple people.” https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0249191Nagasawa et al., 2015. "Oxytocin-gaze positive loop and the coevolution of human-dog bonds.” https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1261022Kaminski et al., 2017. "Human attention affects facial expressions in domestic dogs." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-12781-xBen-Aderet et al., 2017. "Dog-directed speech: why do we use it and do dogs pay attention to it?" https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2016.2429Mood 2019. “Remembering Chaser, the ‘smartest dog in the world.’” https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/remembering-chaser-the-smartest-dog-in-the-world/—Music used in this episode: Nashville Vibes by Andy Warner https://tunetank.com/track/6477-nashville-vibes/