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Author: Katie Barlow & Joe Lockhart

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American politics is undergoing seismic changes that will alter the course of history. As hosts of Words Matter, Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart believe that facts, evidence, truth and objective reality are necessary and vital in public discourse. Katie and Joe have broad experience in government, politics and journalism -- this gives them a unique ability to explain recent events and place them in historic context. Together, with fellow journalists, elected officials, policy-makers and thought-leaders, they will analyze the week's news and get at the real truth behind all the distracting headlines. New episodes released Mondays. Produced and recorded out of The Hangar Studios, NYC.
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Our guest this week is a celebrated historian and the award-winning author, co-author or editor of more than 30 books. Most of these works are focused on American presidents or people we know because of presidents.Douglas Brinkley is the Katherine Tsanoff Brown Chair in Humanities and Professor of History at Rice University, a CNN Presidential Historian, and a contributing editor at Vanity Fair.  Katie and Joe talk to Professor Brinkley about the power and consequences of a president's words.
Final Word: Toni Morrison

Final Word: Toni Morrison

2019-08-1500:04:18

Last week we lost one of the most influential and celebrated novelists in American literary history Toni Morrison. A novelist, essayist and Princeton Professor, Morrison wrote nine major novels -- all of which earned extensive critical acclaim. Among dozens of other awards and achievements, she won both a Pulitzer Prize and American Book Award in 1988 for her novel Beloved. And in 1993, Toni Morrison became the first black woman of any nationality to win a Nobel Prize.The citation for her award in literature declared Morrison to be an author “who in novels characterized by visionary force and poetic import, gives life to an essential aspect of American reality.” In 2012, Toni Morrison was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Barack Obama.In commencement address at Rutgers University in 2011, Toni Morrison encouraged graduates to seek a meaningful life -- something she herself had certainly achieved. 
Is the federal government doing enough to fight domestic terrorism? This week we talk to one former senior law enforcement official who says no. For nearly two decades, Daryl Johnson was senior domestic terrorism analyst at the Department of Homeland Security and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Back in 2009 he wrote a DHS Report on “Rightwing Extremism” that was widely circulated in the law enforcement community and was leaked to the press.Instead of taking action, Republicans on Capitol Hill attacked his findings.Johnson explains how and why Donald Trump's election changed the pattern of extreme white nationalists and what can be done about it.
Shannon Watts is the author of Fight like a Mother – How a Grassroots Movement took on the Gun Lobby and Why Women will Change the World.Until December of 2012 Shannon Watts was a stay-at-home mother of five and former communications executive.The day after the Sandy Hook tragedy, Shannon Watts started a Facebook group with the message that all Americans can and should do more to reduce gun violence.That online conversation turned into a grassroots movement -- Moms Demand Action which now has a chapter in every state and is part of Everytown for Gun Safety, the largest gun violence prevention organization in the country with nearly 6 million members.She is also an active board member of Emerge America, one of the leading organizations for recruiting and training women to run for office.
Can Racism Win in 2020?

Can Racism Win in 2020?

2019-08-0500:49:051

Over the last few weeks, Donald Trump has left no doubt that he is a racist. He has also made it clear -- race will be perhaps THE biggest issue in 2020. The question is: Can racism win?This week Katie and Joe talk to Keith Boykin. Keith is a CNN political commentator, New York Times best-selling author, and a former White House aide to President Bill Clinton. Keith teaches at the Institute for Research in African-American Studies at Columbia University in New York and previously taught at American University in Washington, D.C. He is a co-founder and first board president of the National Black Justice Coalition.
This week we sit down with Lauren Moxley, the host of The Ginsburg Tapes Podcast -- which chronicles Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s oral arguments before the then all-male United States Supreme Court from 1972 to 1978 —before she became #Notorious RBG.The Ginsburg Tapes allows the listener to be a fly on the wall for some of the most important cases in American jurisprudence as future Justice Ginsburg challenged laws treating men and women differently. In between the actually Supreme Court recordings, Lauren puts the cases, the law and even the Justices themselves in historical context and explains how as a lawyer, RBG really did change the World.
Few know more about the origins of the FBI's Russia investigation than our guest this week, former Justice Department and FBI senior official James A. Baker. From 2014 to 2017 Mr. Baker was general counsel of the FBI and was involved in the initial and some of the most important aspects of the investigation into Russia's attack on the 2016 presidential election. We talk to Jim Baker about that, Robert Mueller's testimony and if our government is doing enough to ensure that the 2020 election is free from foreign influence.
As Special Counsel Robert Mueller prepares to testify in front of Congress the week, Katie and Joe previewed his testimony with National Security expert Jeremy Bash in last week's episode.Some things are worth repeating. So in case you missed this important preview, here it is again.From 2009 to 2011, Jeremy served as Chief of Staff at the CIA under Director Leon Panetta and from 2011-2013 as Chief of Staff at the Department of Defense under then Secretary Panetta.A graduate of Georgetown and Harvard Law School Jeremy was the policy director for national security issues 2000 Gore-Lieberman Campaign and also served as the Chief Minority Counsel for the House Intelligence Committee under Ranking Member Congresswoman Jane Harman.
Katie and Joe talk to two journalists to go beyond the tweets and find out what's really going on race and immigration in Donald Trump's America.Eugene Scott covers identity politics for the Washington Post. He joined the Post from CNN Politics, where he covered the 2016 presidential election and was the senior reporter on the website’s breaking news team. He’s a regular on-air contributor, providing analysis on MSNBC, CNN, CBS and NPR. Eugene is a graduate of the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill and Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.Molly O’Toole is an immigration reporter for the Los Angeles Times based here in Washington. Previously, she was a senior reporter at Foreign Policy covering the 2016 election and Trump administration. Molly has covered immigration and security from Mexico, Central America, West Africa, the Middle East, the Gulf, and South Asia.
Barbara Jordan was a lawyer educator politician and a leader of the civil rights movement a Democrat and Houston native. Jordan was the first African-American elected to the Texas Senate after Reconstruction and the first southern African-American woman elected to the United States House of Representatives.On July 25th 1974 Congresswoman Jordan delivered a televised opening statement as the House Judiciary Committee began consideration of articles of impeachment against President Richard Nixon. It is regarded by historians as one of the greatest speeches in all of American history. Congresswoman Jordan offered a passionate and powerful defense of the United States Constitution. A document, she noted, did not include people like her when it was written and completed in 1787.Congresswoman Jordan also provided thoughtful and well documented explanations of our system of checks and balances which were designed to stop any politician from abusing their power. She stuck to the facts and the law and noted the seriousness and the solemn duty she and her fellow members were about to undertake. As she quoted extensively from the founders Congresswoman Jordan explained that those who had drafted and ratified the Constitution anticipated actions like Nixon's and had created the check of impeachment to guard against such executive overreach and abuse of office. So this week we give Congresswoman Barbara Jordan the Final Word.
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Darcie Harris

I was 51% in favor of impeachment until Joe articulated that McConnell would run the show & Robert's would preside. That changed my mind! Thanks for intelligent discourse.

Apr 26th
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Lori Brooks

So, why have you just skipped over Elise leaving? Is she taking a break or has she left the show?

Mar 2nd
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Lori Brooks

Thank you for all you have done. I hope that you are able to continue with this podcast. I like the no nonsense views that have been discussed.

Feb 19th
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David Perkins

sounds like steve and elise are both gone? plans? rotating hosts? finding sponsors?

Feb 19th
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Nonya Bizness

well ~that~ was dramatic! steve basically said ask me anything- except why mr. starbucks thinks a 70% tax on income over $10B is "ridiculous", and who the tax would negatively impact other than himself. sounded like he literally threw the mike and hit the door. wow. i would argue that it is ridiculous to assert that this tax would ~negatively~ impact anyone who exists on such a rarified and charmed plain of existence. at that level of money hoarding, the tax would have ZERO negative impact on the quality of the lives of these handful of people- that is utterly indisputable. it ~might~, however, negatively impact their ability to control the quality of the lives of a nation, and a planet. words do matter, and steve had none to defend or even explain schultz's position. this podcast has illuminated and informed on my position regarding schultz. thank you.

Feb 17th
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Lori Brooks

Nonya Bizness I watched an AMAZING interview with Bill Gates on the "Verge" where he explained that there is a much better way to get money from the super rich (including himself). He explained that the 70% tax would have several major flaws and that a better solution is to tax the "wealth" of the super rich. For example, their properties, vehicles, stocks and bonds, and money in various banks. Check it out. I have the utmost respect for Bill Gates and his wife.

Feb 22nd
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Lisa Skondras

I think the way Adam handled this interview was completely juvenile. Perhaps he can't hold a candle to Steve Schmidt intellectually so being antagonistic was his only option. Steve Schmidt is one of the clearer voices speaking truthfully about what is going on in politics and the Trump administration and I look forward to see where he goes with Howard Schultz and beyond. Sadly, I will not be tuning in to Words Matter any longer.

Feb 17th
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Natalie Willis

wow I sure lost a lot of respect for Steve Schmidt. what a big fucking.baby. guess all that $CHILTZ money has clouded his judgement.

Feb 14th
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deborah sammons

Well, lots of us won't be back after this display. Obviously neither of you (Elise or Adam) are prepared to interview Steve who may well be one of only 3 individuals astute enough to speak accurately to the current disastrous state of the state in which we find ourselves thanks to this administration. Elise may mean well but is clearly too simplistic and Adam is a jerk. As Steve said, this was BS

Feb 13th
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Robert Bruce

https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-schmidt-storms-off-own-podcast-when-asked-about-advising-howard-schultz

Feb 11th
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Kevin Lee

I'm out. Elise and Steve are the reason I listen. Drop dead, Adam.

Feb 11th
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David Perkins

whats up..does he have a campaign he's going to?

Feb 10th
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CD Neal

holy cow. welp glad the podcast will continue.

Feb 10th
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Darcie Harris

I'm posting this comment here because I don't know how else to communicate with Steve Schmidt. I have the utmost respect for you Mr. Schmidt, and always listen carefully to your thoughts and opinions. I hope Howard Schultz does as well, and that you will encourage him to run for President as Democrat, NOT an Independent, which would surely hand the 2020 election to Trump. My understanding is that he has been a lifelong Democrat, so it's unimaginable that he would put ego before country.

Jan 30th
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deborah sammons

Darcie Harris And all thinking people said AMEN

Feb 18th
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Mel Vis

Steve Schmid you've admitted Palin was a mistake. Running Howard as an independent would be another.

Jan 30th
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Barb Griffith

So happy to hear Steve back on a podcast. I agree with all you said Kevin. A very good podcast.

Jan 22nd
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Kevin

Nice to hear Steve's thoughts on the current Democratic Primary field, as well as where he thinks we're headed in 2019. His analogy of driving drunk is quite on the money for our current state of affairs. Also, the MLK clips were beyond moving.

Jan 21st
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Glenn Gilliam

not hardly, she's a ding bat

Jan 11th
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Arthur Harlan Williams

Glenn Gilliam well she's certainly got you scared that you have to resort to misogynistic name calling... and that's probably good... you apparently need to be afearing the power of grandmothers

Jan 16th
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John Morrell

I'm 64, almost 65. I guess I'm an ossified Republican. I struggled to l listen through this discussion. Nevertheless, I'm intrigued by what these individuals are saying, that there could be a way to get through, to retain many of the values I hold onto as superior, that is not under the umbrella of Republican.

Dec 26th
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Kevin

Excellent episode. Cannot recommend it enough

Dec 17th
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Johnny L

good podcast, but 🖕#fucktrump #charlatan

Dec 14th
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