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A curiosity driven podcast about wisdom, learning and the personal and systemic implications of the transition we are in. Hosted by Amit Paul and Nils von Heijne. For extended shownotes visit: https://worldofwisdom.substack.com/
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Jenny Grettve founder of the Economic Institue For Feminine Futures, author of the upcoming book Mothering economy came by the podcast. We spoke of why, with all our innovative capacity, it is so difficult to create a caring and kind economy? This is a conversation on many levels that zooms in and out of the economic, educational and systemic work Jenny is involved with. We also speak of how to invest in love, what it takes to come into alignment with ones values and what it would take for us to just stop. Other ways to find out more of Jennys work: website, WhenWhen Agency Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.
Jim Wallenberg is a company advisor, speaker, change leader. We spoke about engagement, working in different capacities in a company, how it is possible that many people still seem to think that engagement in a company is some random magic or luck and not a result of hard work. We also spoke about how to not get hired as a manager and what it takes to get compliance. This is a fun, tangible conversation about some the topic of leadership, management and how we get things done together. Enjoy! Host Amit Paul
Paul Weinfield (Spotify, webpage) musician, coach, teacher and more. Paul wrote a text about the heroes journey that grabbed Amit. This is a wonderful conversation about things like surrender, growth, truth, what it means to be human. But not in a high flying, abstract way, this is tangible, close and personal. Check the links if you're curious about Paul's work. Enjoy the conversation! Host: Amit Paul
Glenda Eoyang is the founder of the Humans Systems Dynamics Institute (hsdinstitute.org). They have been working on human systems development for several decades teaching courses and developing tools for agency and collective action in the liminal times we are in.
This is a gem of a conversation. Glenda provides some valuable frames from the institutes work on how to manage and navigate in the current times and we speak about difference, paradigm shifts, questions that make a difference, baker folds, non-linear dynamics and stances we can take to be of service to the transformation. Enjoy!
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This is a bit of a change of pace. Jonathan Chadwick (who was a guest in EP 101) offered me to think out loud and structure my thoughts which I accepted gladly. The outcome is this open, explorative conversation where I get ot unfold and compost some ideas that can hopefully generate resonance and inspiration in you. Host Jonathan Chadwick. Guest: Amit Paul. If you want to connect with Amit you can find more about him on amitpaul.com. Enjoy.
Bruno Petrušić (LinkedIn, X) who is a theologian and part of the Economy of Francesco. We spoke about the big questions in life, theology's place in the societal transformation. Finding new ways. We spoke of what it's like to drive change within an institution like the catholic church. We addressed what the church also is and how it may help in finding new ways. We also spoke about different ways of relating to the world and what happens when care and the relational becomes a central value. And why that belongs in the economy and business particularly. This is a wonderful conversation. Enjoy!
Sara Lindeman, Thomas Holm and Amit Paul speak about the upcoming Waves Gathering in Finland, focusing on creating a unique space for exploring new worldviews and approaches to change. The gathering is an invitation for navigating destabilization without despair, integrating various forms of knowledge, and fostering collaboration and emotional intelligence. This is an invitation for embodied epistemic humility aka wisdom and the significance of meeting the situation rather than merely intellectualizing it. Tickets still available!
This episode deep dives into the masculine and feminine, energetically, hormonally and culturally. Adriana Forte (LinkedIn, C-lab Substack) brings depth and philosophical rigour as well as the latin perspective to Amits Icelandic, masculine Nordic one. We speak of what a dance between the masculine and feminine may lead to, we speak of hormonal rhythms and torrents. We speak of just how much of women is left discarded in modernity. We speak of grief and the potential that may be unlocked when men stay and women step out. This conversation is potentially transformational. It is excellent an it is pointing at one of the core problems of our
Karl Sjöblom (LinkedIn) is an entrepreneur, an expert in the new ISO 56001/2 and founder of Eicorn. We spoke of innovation, business transformation. Key takeaways from the conversation was the 8 boxes we need to work with to reliably innovate: leadership, vision, inclusiveness, timeline, skills, resources, commitment and communication. If we strategically address these the likelihood of success in any innovation project increase. We speak of where companies usually fail and why it is not in the doing but in the stopping the real gold lies. Other links: ISIP and Innovationsledarna. Enjoy!
1Melanie Rieback (LinkedIn) founder of Radically Open Security and well known ambassador of steward ownership is a guest on this episode on the podcast. This is a different episode in kind. It is a story of transformation. We journey into a lifetime, touch on composting identities, it is a story of deep commitment to service, of courage, of listening and of following ones calling. The type of story we need more of. This episode is different, it is one where Amit Paul offers space for a journey of radical transformation. Enjoy.
Adrian Wagner involved with both Complexity partners and the Pocket Project. We go deeply and concretely into the ins and outs of navigating complexity. We speak of the importance and power of micro-empathic moments. We also speak alot at the right level of granularity. How activism could be be reframed as finding a point where 'they' cannot hate 'us' anymore because we're involved with mutual local action. We speak about how precision is love and inquire into what would happen if we took god just a little more seriously than ourselves. This is a gem of a conversation. Enjoy! And here is the link to the release of the book (30th june2025)
This time Amit Paul speaks into some insights that he has found during spring. He speak of retiring survival in order to be able to fully live. Amit speaks of the sensous and that the posture of attuning to the moment is a more constructive attitude. One that sparks agency and action. He explore the crisis of meaning and propose that it’s a crisis of intimacy and Amit Paul explore the distinction between surrender and submission. All of this is an invitation to a new posture towards transformative work one in which attention is your instrument, submission is your stance and the only thing that may look like a goal is becoming intimate with reality. Links: Waves Gathering, website, innrwrks.
Gustaf Tadaa is a thinker, speaker, artist and entrepreneur. His and his wife Malins last exhibition Andetag (Instagram, website) is exhibiting in Stockholm spring/summer 2025. This is a beautiful conversation around how everything is made up, the traps of language, why we should think about teaching kids semantics. We also talk about how trauma therapy is a creative activity not a discovery. How important stories are to shape the world we live in and we end up talking about taxes why that would be a way to really shit the current state of the world. This conversation is wide ranging, concrete, provoking and really useful. Enjoy!
This is a beautiful conversation with Erik Fernholm (linkedIn) co-founder of 29k as well as the IDGs. We speak of emotions, happiness, what it takes to compost, why solutions cannot be perfect. We speak of listening and self-compassion. Why turning towards that which we reject can sometimes be the thing we need to do, even though it's hard. What it is and takes to start ones journey of working with life. Why we are still worthy of love, no matter what. This is a really beautiful one. Both an opening and a scaffold. Enjoy!
Sam Jockel (LinkedIn) came on the show. The founder of ParentTV and the producer of SEEN the film. Our conversation touched in on what parenting may be, both for yourself and for your kids. How does one become a parent? We speak of trauma as something that didn't happen rather than what happened and we speak of what it takes to recover warmth. How seeing your kids, being with them is what parenting is about rather than what you do. This is a wonderfully deep, personal and concrete conversation. It comes with a strong recommendation to actually see the film. It'll be worth it.
Neil Smyth (LinkedIn) founder of Alkemio and I spoke about collective action problems, agency and ownership. Neil is a veteran in the steward ownership space and is also active building the platform Alkemio towards collective action . We speak of the simple but profound transformations that hold the possibility to upend the world we live in. Neil speaks of the start up as a tool for effecting change, we speak of agency as a coordination problem, the principles for how to coordinate and what happens when we center around a problem, not an organisation. Here's the link to Alkemios legal structure. Enjoy!
Adam Widawski (LinkedIn) is an educator and philosopher. Currently working for the think-tank Mindshield. We speak of the immense potential of our times. Why learning is an orientation to life that's served us well. We speak of technology and it's incredible pull as well as the importance of getting inspired by perspectives from the margins. We speak of the silent violence, the obfuscation and fragmentation as well as the possibility our connectivity holds. How do we deal with the demonic pull of technology? How can we combine passionate rebellion with a capacity for finding center and an ableness to direct our attention and retain some agency?
Ola Jönsson (LinkedIn) founder of Coest among other things came by the podcast. We spoke of profit and company growth as a part of but not the goal of companies. We spoke of identities and how they are important and how they interact. What it takes to start from scarcity - why are people that haven't prove extractive capacity as trustworthy in our society? What are Coests investment principles? Why are so many people driven by money and much more. This is a conversation on how to transform business into what we need it to be in our times. Enjoy!
Michael Haupt (LinkedIn) recovering corporate technician, regenerative practitioner and father and I had a wonderful conversation. We spoke about why systems change requires a fundamentally different approach than the one most of us currently take. We also touched on the framework he is developing of 9 mental models for navigating the times we are in. We also spoke of collapse and why our times both are and are not unique. We spoke of why much of what's happening now is expected. Why practice is so important and why shifting our behaviour is at the core. This is a rich and tangible conversation that invites useful perspectives. Here are some of the resources Michael mention: Mental Models, Collapsology, Evolution of Consciousness. Enjoy!
Audrey Fillion (EP224), Ria Baeck (EP155), Adrian Wagner gathered for the second part of the first ever World of Wisdom roundtable. We spoke of evaluation, scaling, micro-moments of empathy and scaling. Beyond scaling up we also need to scale deep and wide. And how we can do that through technology. This deep conversation also touches upon the path dependency of our tools, what it takes to generate healthy soil and most of all what happens when "we take god a bit more seriously than ourselves. Enjoy!
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33:40 participatory futures
32:58 The etymology of question, the root, quest
40:44 This is similar to backcasting
Exploring the future from an everyday perspective
Culture as the water that we swim in