Wrong Reasons with Liv and Grace

GIMH, OGM and MKKL are back to kick off Charity's season with one of our most fun episode styles - the question game!! (If you have questions about those initials you have no choice but to listen to at least the first 5 minutes of the episode) This time around we discussed which contestants are likely to think ketchup is spicy, who has possibly been to mar-a-lago (allegedly) (hypothetically) (for legal reasons this is a joke) (we always seem to have to make these disclaimers when Mason comes around), who frequently succumbs to instagram ads, and so much more. We are excited to see who ends up with Charity, who we have agreed is lovely and deserves the best. Join us next week to see if it seems like she's going to get it! Charity's season premiers on Monday, June 26th and we will be back with our regular season recaps and potentially new cover art! See you then! To follow along with our assessment of the men, check out ABC's cast bios: https://abc.com/shows/the-bachelorette/cast

We don't think that Jesse Palmer is ever allowed to describe things as "the most low energy and unexciting finale of all time," but if he was that would have been a good way to describe for this episode. Most of what we talked about was how we would have produced this episode differently and frankly better. Justice for Ariel and Gabi, and frankly also Kaity as well, because I don't think the audience has ever felt less excited for an engagement and seemingly successful relationship, and she deserves better as well. Anyways, stick around for our theory about Sean Lowe and also just to finish out this lackluster season with us! We made it through! Thanks as always for listening xoxox

We are over the moon to welcome back one of our absolute favorite guests, Anders, to discuss this weeks fantasy suite finasco (as Hannah Ann would put it). You are very much going to enjoy his witty and at times scathing takes on what went down this episode, and we probably also tossed in a couple of good insights too (no promises). Congrats to Zach for finding a new and original way to completely fuck up fantasy suites week. You have to hand it to him, he really pioneered a new way of making everyone mad at him, us included. Also, this isn't a trick to get you to stick around till the very end of the episode, but if you do listen all the way through, we do end up sharing probably our best series of "in an embarrassing turn of events" yet.

In terms of a hometowns week, this was in fact a very boring one. Full of (mostly) supportive feelings, and Zach having a good time. Not enough emotional turmoil for our tastes, and definitely not enough confessions of love. People! We are two weeks away from a proposal at this point! You have to say that you're falling in love!! (Looking at you Gabby....) Anyways, we hope you guys don't tune in for Women Tell All recaps, cause we can't promise one of those is coming, but we do discuss the new and exciting Bachelorette news!

Dear listeners, if anyone can tell us how the magician did the thing with the heart on the hand please let us know, we are very curious and convinced it may actually have been magic. Otherwise we mostly spent the episode talking about how we'd like to go to the Hungarian baths and Budapest does seem like a genuinely romantic place. It's hard to believe that hometowns week is already upon us, and it seems like Kat couldn't believe it either because she played this week INCORRECTLY with meeting the family on the horizon. Can't wait to visit everyone' families and meet Ariel's father who thinks the Bachelor is just one big orgy!! 

Our most sincere apologies for a stupid long episode this week. We're not even sure how or why it happened, but some of it can be attributed to Liv's ridiculously good mood, and also the fact that we did like 10 minutes of material on not being detail oriented. This week we fought about whether or not Brooklyn has a slut shame-y attitude towards Kat. Please weigh in and let us know your thoughts. Things are getting down to the wire now and these girls keep throwing us curveballs and making us rethink our final rankings. 

Huge disaster befalls the bachelor this week! Apparently they can't get away with traveling multiple different places in a giant group while unmasked and mingling with the public without at least one person testing positive for Covid!!! Who could have foreseen this?? Evidently not Zach because he is 10000% emotionally unequipped to handle this. Emotions run high for just about everyone this episode including us. We even got into a fight live on the air (not really, that's just clickbait to get you to listen). Cross your fingers for a swift recovery for Zach because if he has to go one more day without making progress towards finding his best friend we're genuinely concerned he's going to lose his mind. 

The cast of the Bachelor has traveled to the Bahamas this week, and we would also like to go to there. Or skiing. Or basically anywhere that isn't moving or doing a two show day on a Saturday. This week we discussed whether Kat's date to snorkel with sculptures was scary (Grace) or cool (Liv), and get to engage in our first real Wrong Reasons™️ discourse of the season. Zach continues to frankly do a good job of being the bachelor, and we are having a very nice time watching this season. Can't wait to see what disasters lie in store for him in London though... 

We hope you tuned into this podcast for a 20 minute breakdown of how similar or dissimilar Megan Fox and Angelina Jolie look, because if not you are out of luck. It does not help that Liv is uncommonly good at recognizing facial characteristics, while Grace is uncommonly bad at that. Please do not judge us for the fact that we genuinely called Zach genuine multiple times in this episode. we don't like it either. Join us to discuss the age old question of whether a museum or sky diving date brings you closer, and a very sexy pool party.

You know what team, we don't really know what to say here. We recorded this on Monday because of Grace's crazy schedule and we're publishing it on Thursday yet again because of Grace's crazy schedule. This week was not a winner for us personally #survivingnotthriving. Please enjoy this ep, at this point we can't even remember what we talked about. We're going to try harder next week lol.  

Ahhhh hello everyone!! Welcome to the start of what seems to be a promising season of the bachelor! Zach is what we call going back to basics. In our opinion, they have tried to be too cool in years past (though we hate to call Peter Weber "cool"), they should just stick to what works - a guy who loves family, football, and frozen pizza (and has a strong attachment to gender roles and the idea of the institution of marriage). Night 1 set us up for what we hope will be a very strong season, though we didn't get to go into as much detail about somethings as we would have wanted. We had limited time because Liv needed to catch a ferry, and right after we recorded the intro we got a phone call from some friends with very exciting news...  The spoiler for that is, if you listen to our podcast, you don't have to wait until the end of Zach's season to hear about an engagement. You can hear about one right now! Congratulations Nate and Claire!!!  ❤️❤️❤️

Have we got a special treat for you fools (loyal listeners)! We are back and getting amped up for Zach's season the best way we know how - by playing the question game with guest Mason Lok! Together the three of us will go through the cast bios of the women for this upcoming season, and answer essential, need to know questions about them - such as, who do we think doesn't believe in the moon landing? It's been a while since any of us have recorded the podcast, but if you bear through the chaos of it all, you'll see we got to the heart of some really important matters (who we think was at January 6th) (allegedly) (hypothetically) (for legal reasons this is a joke). If you'd like to follow along with the bios we are discussing, you can find the ABC cast bios for this season here!  If you enjoy the episode, please be sure to rate and review, like and subscribe, yada yada yada - but above all else, be sure to come back next week when it's time to start recapping the season! 

You guys holy shit. Grace just decided for kicks to check how many episodes we had before she published this and it turns out this is our ONE HUNDREDTH FREAKING EPISODE?? Imagine if she'd checked after like 3 more episode lol. It feels so fitting for this milestone to fall on a Bachelor in Paradise finale episode. There's so much to cover and we wish the episode had honestly been 2 hours longer (don't tell ABC or Jesse Palmer that we said that), but we did our best to fit everything in. Thank god we didn't know at the time this was our 100th episode, we would have gone on for another 30 minutes. Did we mention it's our 100th episode yet? We did? Oops.  THANKS FOR FOLLOWING ALONG FOR ONE HUNDRED FREAKING EPISODES.

Shoutout to Grace's dad for letting her use his phone to record this podcast, and we especially appreciate the restraint he showed in only coming silently into the room to indicate he wanted it back once. If he really wanted his phone back then he shouldn't have been such a loving and generous father during her childhood because now she thinks she can walk all over him (she did not give the phone back). We just want to be upfront and say this episode is primarily recap and less analysis. We ended up saying goodbye to most of our couples this episode and we needed to wrap up their storylines. We smiled all goofy like at lots of things Brandon and Serene said, and combusted in anger at much of what Aaron spewed out of his big mouth.  Ultimately this episode was just setting us up for the big showdown finale episode and we have to say WE CANNOT WAIT. 

We have possibly never had as many technical difficulties while recording an episode as we did during this one. Internet went out and disconnected our FaceTime call at least 900 times, so if some of our discussion seems disjointed that's why! It was especially frustrating that the internet decided to do this during our discussion of this episode specifically because this was an especially crazy one!! If there was ever any doubt about whether people are complex creatures, and life is made up of situations where it is impossible for just one person to be in the right, this episode is proof of those things. Perhaps that's too deep a read of Bachelor in Paradise, but we're doing it anyways! And for the record there is simply no way itching is low level pain. (This study linked is from 2013 so this in not new information AARON). 

What is worse: being a human taco, human burrito, or human churro? If you're not sure what exactly that means, don't worry. We discuss it at great, great length in this episode of the podcast. It is one of very few issues where Liv and Grace are on very different sides of the argument. Other prime examples of issues where they are split are the attractiveness of 6th movie Ron Weasley, Mr. Tumnus, and how to go about cutting a lemon. Pretty much nothing good happened this episode, so if you enjoy our commentary when we hate things then you are in luck! 

Honestly, it was nice to have a bit of a lull and only have one episode of BIP this week. Don't get us wrong, we love the content, but it can be a lot to keep up with! As is always the case, when we predict that we'll have a short episode cause there's not much to discuss, we end up with one of our longest episodes yet. Remember that there's not two of them so it's still worth tuning in!  We discussed how much Kate hates Logan, Danielle and Michael's boring date, and of course the whole Eliza situation in depth. Please reply to us by tagging yourself as your favorite way Kate complained about Logan being poor this episode. 

Welcome to our podcast about Grace's relationship with Liv's Grandma, our thoughts on prenups, and if we would spend $100,000 on a dog. Oh wait, did you come here to hear about Bachelor in Paradise? We're pretty sure we also talked about that... Just kidding, of course we talked about it! You're gonna hand us Hayden saying crazy stuff on a silver platter and not expect us to do a deep dive into that one? You're gonna have us watch not one, but two, absolutely wild Aaron and Genevive fights and not expect us to do a complete analysis of how the two of them communicate? There was A LOT to say on what happened this episode, though frankly, if next week's trailer is any indicator, it's only going to get crazier from here. 

This episode was sort of two-fold. It started with probably the shortest and least dramatic cocktail party ever, an incredibly predictable rose ceremony, and then a date between two people that we know like each other. The unexpected bit came with Justin's dramatic reappearance, and trust us, we have THOUGHTS on that. Anything nice we ever said about Justin, please strike that from the record. Please tune in to us complaining about him for 30 minutes straight, and to hear Liv's imitation of the vocal fry he does in what appears to be an attempt to impress women he is interested in. 

Content Warning: We spent soooo much of this episode kind of defending Shanae? Look we don't like it either. We just also don't like Logan or Kate. There were very few bright lights in this episode because Brandon and Serene are too cute for production to care about them, and screen time was instead given to infuriating situations. Also don't get your hopes up for a rose ceremony, we have to wait yet another episode for that.  Anyways, check out the trying times on instagram and thanks for listening!