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Success isn't a linked to a dollar amount and happiness takes many forms. Many of us spend decades trying to figure it out which molds we are supposed to fit in. conventioNOT's co-hosts are longtime friends and experts at challenging and encouraging each other to follow their own true passion.

Join Mike & McD as they explore life's vulnerabilities, quirky challenges and interview guests with unconventional and successful lives. Both of the guys agree that over the years, we've realized humans are often programmed with ideas that becoming successful guarantees a happily ever after story.

Unfortunately, these two things aren't as closely related as we'd like and this show is designed to discuss the ways that real people are proving that pursuit of passion beats chasing cash every day and every time.

Both of our hosts are entrepreneurs and listeners of our podcast are intrigued by successful strategies and deep self-evaluation. Mike and McD lead conversations about unconventional routes of becoming happy.

By now, thousands of episodes have been downloaded and there are a few 'expert' episodes, where conventioNOT producers invite previous guests back to discuss subject that matter most to them.

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Lacey Trost is clearly one of our favorite guests in recent history. Her story and humility are one of a kind as far as conventioNOT guests go. After growing up in Florida, she and her wife undertook one of the biggest goals of many youngsters in America: moving away from home.  The thing is, Trost was just getting started down her list of personal goals  then and she hasn’t looked back since. She opens up with Mike and McD about the struggles of Imposter Syndrome and her drive to succeed. Unlike many of our guests - she isn’t dedicated with her title or her salary. She’s focused on doing the right thing and helping others around her.  And she’s serious about it.  Lately, she’s turned her focus to fertility and some of the policies that trouble same-sex couples who are trying to have a baby. There are plenty of people in the world who react to atrocities like those she’s discovered… but Lacey isn’t wired that way. She decided to act.  This episode isn’t all serious sperm speculation though… our listeners will love Lacey’s kind heart and hear some really funny stories about Beer Pong tournaments and the growing up in Florida. If you haven’t subscribed to conventioNOT or found your way to us through Lacey’s camp, you can quick-launch your favorite podcast app at www.conventionot.com 
The guys catch up one on one for their annual summer-ending episode. It gets a little deep, including a how-to-travel guide when living out of state, new show formating and some really deep discussion about recent losses in Mike's life. It's not all heavy-hearted, Mike and McD save space to dive into seeing boobs on a plane, couples travel ideas and even a secret or two that longtime listners  will probably pick up on. We're committed to publishing more of these 1:1 style shows over the next year.  If you haven't subscribed yet, click the button on whichever podcast chanel you prefer. We're on all of them!
Graham Meriwether started his career as a filmaker in an interesting way, chasing bodies around the streets of Detroit. Even though the young documentatian hadn't found his calling, he knew that he was inspired enough to create content that mattered.  By the time he turned his focus to his bigger films like American Meat and Farmers For America, he'd filmed countless dead bodies and foraged the Detroit Police Department's Delta Zones and produced content for The Julliard School of Dance.  American Meat eventually became his first theatrical release and It contrasts industrial feedlots with Joel Salatin's Polyface Farms, a model where rotational grazing and local distribution give hope that a different, more humane and environmentally conscious way to farm may indeed save the day…and our future. In 2010, Meriwether founded the non-profit organization, Leave It Better Foundation, whose mission is to empower youth to make the Earth a better place. They have helped build 10 gardens in New York City schools, and taught over 2,000 students compost, plant and harvest through their own community garden in the Bronx. They even distribute cameras to schools so students can document their journeys. It's an incredible story that Meriwether tells - and it's pretty inspirational. If you are new to conventioNOT or our guests, be sure to listen to the end to hear about his upcoming work and a few other exciting interviews featuring Mike and McD. conventioNOT is available wherever podcasts are. Subscribe today. 
Johnny Gillespie is a true revolutionary. To state it simply, he has developed a system to teach people how to move more efficiently and safely. He also has has a decorated educational career and even runs and Yoga Certification Program at his facility, Empowered Wellness Studio in Wilmington Delaware. The thing is... he doesn't fit the mold. And he's proud of it. Mike and McD are eager to get their questions out about how and why he's followed the path that he has. It's easy to see how Johnny inspires people - and he's kind enough to talk about the journey.  The episode is about more than just yoga and Johnny gets deep about his desires, his drives and the types of humility that he teaches. A hardcore Philadelphia original, his love for all things Philly keeps him grounded and he shares about the battle to stay that way - even while suiting up and heading out on the ice week after week.  Subscribe and listen to the show wherever you download podcasts. We're on that platform :) You can also click on http://conventionot.com to launch your favorite show app.    
Dave Regan has been able to experience more than one life in his years. Growing up in the times and neighborhoods that built the America we walk in today, Dave’s journey includes nights on horseback, saddling up a chopper and logging trip after trip.  The thing is - he was doing these things while spending his days building the ads that spread Detroit's auto industry across the country. After living a full life as an adman, he turned his trail toward becoming an educator, helping to lead the industry into the next frontier. Today he spends his hours teaching advertising students at Michigan State University, where he's been for nearly 20 years. Guess what? He touches on all these things in the episode - and we've left a couple things out in this written synopsis. You'll have to listen to hear the full story. Listeners who stick around til the end won't be disappointed. conventioNOT is on all podcast channels. Quick launch your favorite app by clicking here. 
Our love for food and flavors is pretty evident in the conventioNOT episode archives. Mike and McD have interviewed cookbook authors, pit masters and chefs more than a few times.  The only thing tough about bringing chefs Chris Warsow, Lawrence LaPianta & Will Branch for this expert roundtable was narrowing them down for the episode. We even pulled this one off without a technical hitch.  Those familiar with the show have heard their origin stories and these three showed up ready to break down all things food and even get a little personal about the challenges facing their businesses, insight for the future and their favorite gadgets.  Mike and McD talk a lot about expert episodes - and this foundational collection of food guests lives up to the hype. Available now anywhere you stream podcasts. 
Closing 2020, an idea was born: to let our listeners hear some of the behind-the-scenes commentary about the many guests who decide to share their time and record stories about the details of their lives. This episode is the second rendition of our favorite clips from previous guests and conversations. You'll find some really cool snippets from the detailed stories we get to hear nearly every week.  New conventioNOT listener? This one is a nice primer to the other episodes of our show. Make sure you subscribe and review us on your podcast channel.  You can find us anywhere you listen to podcasts - or by quick launching your favorite app at http://conventionot.com  
Jay Shuang is one of the most humble social media influencers  you will meet. @shanghaisole is his handle on Instagram and if you think this guy is just another sneaker head, think again. A fifth-grade teacher and stellar guy, Jay uses his network and late-budding shoe addiction started as an obsession during undergrad to connect and inspire with his students and the world.  McD is again enthralled with the depth of this guy's knowledge and Mike takes a couple swipes at the hobby of stacking sneaker boxes. Neither of them are phased and Jay goes on to explain how and why he does what he does.  The international school that Jay teaches and coaches at comes up - and we learn a bit about where Mike's roots came from as well as the background on these types of learning institutions. Even thought he might have been the youngest teacher when he got hired, Jay has brought his influence and love for all things shoe to his people. It's truly an amazing tale.  To Jay, it's all about relationships. To our listeners, you'll have to tune in to hear these awesome stories and details about Jay becoming who he is.  Subscribe and listen to the show wherever you download podcasts. We're on that platform :) You can also click on http://conventionot.com to launch your favorite show app.
Brett M Cooper's early career in global businesses is nothing to shake a stick at. He focused on process, lean organizations and the actions it takes to be highly profitable. Through his time, he noticed that something was often overlooked: the social skills required by leaders to motivate people.  Fair warning, McD and Brett start to really nerd out on their commonalities before Mike interrupts and brings the two back from outer space - and some kind of deep space nine discussion. Thankfully, this makes space for Brett to talk about his passions as a dad, an author and the person who is responsible for thousands of professionals who have worked with his business, Integris Performance Advisors. conventioNOT listeners don't need to be part of a big company with deep pockets to take advantage of Cooper's teachings. After listening to the show, you'll find that he gives a FREE offer to get an e-book or audio book copy of his new book, Solving the People Problem: Essential Skills you Need to Lead and Succeed in Today's Workplace.  The book, co-authored with his business partner, Evans Kerrigan, is chock full of real advice from experienced people. Mike and McD learn pretty quick that Brett's patience, candor and demeanor are all part of his superpowers.  Subscribe and listen to the show wherever you download podcasts. We're on that platform :) You can also click on http://conventionot.com to launch your favorite show app.
Just typing out Neel Agrawal’s resume would burst the character limit on most Podcast platforms that stream conventioNOT’s episodes. Thankfully, the Lord Huron collaborator joins Mike & McD in an exhilarating biography that spans Neel’s youth, lugging a violin case in cold Michigan winters, hustling through law school, becoming a world-class musician and even playing on stage at Coachella. Hard to believe that this social justice warrior can make time to do what he does - until you hear the details about what fuels him. Intersectionality is a newer buzz word that Agrawal explains well and embodies even more passionately. It’s not just another cheesy title invented by the conventioNOT production team. Neel has spent his life battling the challenges of intersectionality. His calm passion and unbelievable effort to stay disciplined is really something special.  Our listeners who love a name-drop or two might be shocked on some of the musical accolades that his network has acquired. It seems that Neel’s life isn’t so much focused on the things he’ll acquire on this earth. He explains with incredible candor on why that’s true and how he keeps his contributions to the world. Fair warning… this episode gets very deep. Neel’s not your typical jurist doctor turned professor turned researcher turned rockstar. There really isn’t a typical bone in his body. Tune in or click on http://conventionot.com to launch your favorite show app.
Our hosts have spent a lot of interesting times together. Now and again, a story slips out about yesteryear and Mike or McD recall memories from shared times.  Over the holidays closing 2020, an idea was born: to let our listeners hear some of the behind-the-scenes commentary about the many guests who decide to share their time and record stories about the details of their lives. Our team doesn't take these times lightly - and there's even a variance of opinion or two that come out as we look back on snippets from conventioNOT's archive.  Listen up. Our repeat listeners will hear a story or two that they may have forgotten. If you're new to our podcast, tune in to hear some really cool and inspirational stories.   
Co-hosts Mike and McD get back to basics with our first episode of the year. The guys don't usually get into politics, but they do share the happenings in their lives and the things we want to accomplish in 2021.  They're thankful for 2020's wins and curious about quarantine challenges state by state and dive into a couple goals - including Ryan's lates bourbon trip and new mastermind group. Most people are streaming more TV now... and listeners get a treat to hear about what we're watching and why. A couple predictions from McD later, it seems like we've got 2021 all figured out - with just 11 months to go! This might be an episode for seasoned listeners - or a chance to get to know our cohosts as they enter the third year of the show. you can find us anywhere - or quick launch your own favorite app by clicking on http://conventionot.com
Will announces himself as a cofounder of Corridor Sausage. The thing is, listeners will find depth in discussion very quickly that plunges through choices, successes, disasters and a company to company merger.  Mike and McD aren't strangers to Will - they all started their adult lives in East Lansing at Michigan State University. After a couple decades without catching up, the experienced Chef breaks down his growth as a person, business owner and creator. If you're in the midwest, you can find his sausages in a bunch of stores. If you're considering a trip here, he even gives a few hints on where you might find some of the best food in Detroit.  We couldn't think of a better guest to finish off the 2020 conventioNOT season with. All of the people that make the podcast work are grateful for our listeners and contributors. We try to keep the show popping and we hope you'll take a minute to subscribe and rate and share the show.  Hit our quick launch link by clicking on http://conventionot.com 
Javid Jah's early infatuation with lettering and his culture isn't necessarily a rare thing about this lifelong creator. conventioNOT listeners will be pleasantly surprised in the honesty and transparency about how he took the angles he has in his career.  Almost every creative has depth behind their work. Javid's career as a muralist, street artist and now working with living spaces all combine to a cornucopia of beauty. This written explanation of what gets spoken on this episode just doesn't do it justice.  Take a few minutes to digest this episode. The nuggets of advice and pure vulnerability are really something special. conventioNOT is available on any podcast channel or by clicking the link http://conventionot.com 
Matthew Yahes from Extend Your Team has stacked years of self-starting experience into his resume. After beginning his career with one of the Big 5 Consulting firms - he quickly realized that his power in starting from scratch was real. So much so, that when he entered his first startup, he was able to be the center of the machine for a nationwide restaurant franchise.  It didn't get to the spot of development his efforts had intended - but it started to teach him the valuable lessons that he shares on this episode. What Mike and McD pickup on quickly is that Matthew isn't one for taking a soft entry. From a recent investment into an e-commerce business, to a new love for kiteboarding, Yahes gets really honest with the guys and shares some sage advice to conventioNOT listeners. You'll have to tune in to hear more.  We're available anywhere you can listen to podcasts - and by quick launching your favorite app from our homepage: www.conventionot.com  
Jorden Rieke is an essential worker. She battles day and night in her ICU to help care for the communities around her. Many clinicians fairly end their efforts at the end of each shift. For Jorden, her efforts are just beginning. Now an insulin dependent diabetic and advocate, she learned about fighting her health during the earliest days of her education at Case Western University in Cleveland. In classic conventioNOT format, the guys get after some personal details with Rieke, trying to understand what fuels her.  WARNING: It's pretty hard to sit through this episode and not be inspired. You'll probably want to listen in the morning. 
Marvin Williams, Mike and Ryan have known each other for more than 20 years. In 1999, covered in Spartan Green and the smell of youthful exuberance, this trio came together in the streets of East Lansing, Michigan. Marvin and McD have worked through several businesses together and are currently scaling Williams' company, Logical Owl. Most of our listeners know quite a bit about different projects and companies that our hosts hustle on - but Mike and Marvin haven't caught up much in the past decade. This episode is really dives deep with a mid-career entrepreneur who shares honestly. Don't spend your time checking out some some self-help guru who has spent several years speculating on how and why the world works the way it does. conventioNOT brings another qualified expert on creating something from scratch.  True to that point, one of Marvin's first pieces of advice is to STEAL what you can. It's not necessary to reinvent the wheel in business. Let us be clear, this dude isn't suggesting corporate espionage. He's suggesting to get in where you fit in and on this episode, he's brutally honest about. You'll have to listen to hear more and we want our subscribers to decide why Marvin and his endeavors come up as winners time and time again.   
At the heart of conventioNOT Podcast's focus is a love for greatness. Time and again our listeners hear from guests who blaze new trails in industry, break gender barriers or just flat out create something that hadn't existed before.  The Underwear Episode puts over 150 years of experienced contributors (and their nether regions) together to discuss various brands they've been testing. True, there are plenty of jokes and awkward pauses in this one, but we really are applying a serious tone to upping one's game down below.  Certainly, Tommy John, SAXX, LuLu Lemon or Seperatec had nothing to do with us creating this one and our consistent fans should expect some really specific descriptions of at least one of these contenders. The guys even get into the costs and preferences of materials.  You'll have to turn in to hear which pair(s) that the guys ultimately recommend and we thing think it's really worth tuning in til the end. Also featuring our returning guest, Dan Sinnott.
Dani Merritt's creativity always helped deliver respite in a challenging world. Growing up in a tough environment around Cleveland, Ohio, Elusion Clothing Brand's founder stumbled a little before she started printing thousands of pieces of clothing and creating a brand that melds with professional athletes and hype beasts worldwide.  The thing is, Elusion isn't another fly-by-night brand that's built on the back of social media. It's been around since the days of myspace and it's hard to imagine some of the challenges that Dani alludes to in this show. When she dove into creating comics decades ago, she never thought that her artwork would lead to build the type of conscious community that she supports today.  conventioNOT's listeners and drama fans will find a couple cool stories about working with NFL players, challenges with investment commitments and some of the inequities that Merritt and her husband face on a daily basis while running the company. This hour-long gem is a very special episode. Join Mike & Scrilla with Dani Merritt - available wherever you listen to podcasts or by clicking on http://conventioNOT.com
Ramping back up for the fall season, Chris, Mike & McD spice it up with what some of us thought was a normal Sunday afternoon. This was until Chris drops some news that he is afraid he might lose his job for his behavior.  Still a little confused, Mike & McD quickly learn that he's playing with them and Chris' love for surprises comes quick with the introduction of a song he's been working on about the show.  It's live on all of the streaming services - but you can hear the new show music hear first on this special transitional show. It's a new time at conventioNOT Podcast and we're excited to continue to grow. Make sure you check out the new artwork and the story of how it came to be on the latest episode.  Available now wherever you listen to podcasts, or quick launch your own podcast app by clicking on http://conventionot.com  Episode Transcription:  Chris Harris  00:08 What's up, everybody? Thanks so much for listening. On today's episode, I've got a surprise. And that surprise is I wrote a song for the podcast and Mike and Ryan have no idea. Yeah, that's right. I wrote a song for the podcast. And Mike and Ryan have no clue. So I'm going to surprise him. And we'll see how it turns out. Anyway, sit back, relax, and enjoy these tunes. Peace. Hey, it's good to see you guys again.   Michael Sinnott  00:46 Hi, Chris. Hi, Ryan. Happy Sunday.   Ryan McDevitt  00:51 Sunday show day. That's right show day. I know y'all I so you know,   Chris Harris  00:58 guys, I don't really like work too much on the weekend. It's kind of a lie, but it's also kind of true. Um, but sometimes my job requires me to actually do some work on the weekend. And what I have for y'all today is kind of wild. I'm hoping I don't lose my job. So let's just start with that. Right?   Michael Sinnott  01:19 Definitely start with that. Nothing better   Ryan McDevitt  01:22 than firing up a Sunday if   Michael Sinnott  01:24 for my personal interest you really got me interested when you said I hope I don't lose my job because of this. I'm like, wait, what what are we doing? What are we about to do here? Exactly. Now I'm listening.   Chris Harris  01:36 So um, I know we didn't like talk beforehand. I'm off you know OFF AIR about kind of what I was going to show you but I wanted to really just get your natural reaction when you see some of the stuff I'm dealing with at work and then we can maybe have a discussion Oh, wow, that worked for you.   Michael Sinnott  01:53 Well, hold on real quick Chris you got to give a five second reminder to maybe some of our guests who don't know you as well as as others do, like just give them a quick title, your synopsis or your title and role.   Chris Harris  02:08 Okay, well, my title is podcast host who's probably about to get fired. I was gonna say you know,   Michael Sinnott  02:14 where are you   Chris Harris  02:19 Alright, here we go. Let's roll with it. hope this works   Michael Sinnott  02:27 so I'm nervous because I know where Chris works I just I'm trying to like fill the sand a little bit because I don't my man here he's he's very diverse. Um, I don't know if he's messing with us or what but   [Intro]  McD is all business  I know Mike got my back  $crilla on the track  [Chorus]  ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute  I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute  I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  [Verse]  Immaculate how I be rapping it  When I be spitting, you know that you loving it Covet it, nothing above it  So you can go run with it  Now let’s get back to it  Back to the basics  Carving out spaces  Practice patience for situations and all vibrations I want all my eyes can see and imma beat you there I aim for variety like a sneaker head  I’m game ready  Keeping that thang steady  Climbing over the dragon  Now who wanna bang with me?  Will you grow and change with me?  Go through the same with?  For those that don’t grow  They known to remain shifty I’m working with all I’ve got  So when you see me, you know what I’m bout  [Chorus]  ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute  I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute  I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  [Verse]  I do this for the people, people like school teachers Who think out the closet for causes that do reach us And spark the young engineers  Who interfere with what society’s instilled in here You keep me grounded dog  And hold me down like my yogis hitting that’s downward dog Then it’s back to business when I’m with my counterparts No sitting down, so we walking around  Real talk, they talk about us, we the talk of the town It’s our chance, we contrast, but I ask  That you pay attention while you listen to this podcast I’m working with all I’ve got  So when you see me you know what I’m bout  [Chorus]  ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you Can turn your hustle to an institute I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  [Outro]  Yeah  Shoutout to Wailer  Carter  Anna  Junior  McD  Mike  $crilla  Mayhem Music     Michael Sinnott  05:34 what? I don't? I don't know what to say. I'm like,   Chris Harris  05:40 I know that was a lot to just throw it.   Michael Sinnott  05:44 Move scrilla I was not ready for that at all.   Ryan McDevitt  05:48 I kind of thought something had happened in your life. That was a negative. And so, no, it's just the   Chris Harris  05:57 positive. And so what happened?   Ryan McDevitt  06:00 What do I think is that I teared up about the middle middle of that. So maybe maybe now that I've got myself together, I could give a little bit of an idea about what that is. So a long time ago, we started to work together, right? It's really been, it's almost been a year that we've been working together. Not Not Not Not too much. Further will be a year. And Chris, we asked him to put together an opener for the song. And I think both Mike and I realized about a month ago that we had never had such a piece of work created for ourselves. I don't know to buy a piece of artwork or to listen to a song. But man, even Carter and whaler got shout outs there.   Michael Sinnott  06:46 Yeah, man. Yeah, I you know, I'm rarely at a loss for words. And even when I am at a loss for words, that I just fill the space with words until I know what I was gonna say. But like, dude, my wife is not in the room right now. So she's not gonna feel jealous of like, how touched and like, dude, and not just touched emotionally. But how in the hell do you do that? How could you do that? How can you talk that fast? Like, I need to listen to that so many more times. Because my, my slow ass I caught the obvious stuff, the hook the hustle into an institute like, dude, Chris,   Chris Harris  07:33 I think we can play it one more time. What am I yeah,   Michael Sinnott  07:36 what am I supposed to say? I mean, that was good.   Chris Harris  07:40 So let me explain sort of like what,   Michael Sinnott  07:42 yeah, walk us through your process, man. How did you do that?   Chris Harris  07:47 So, of course, the three of us talk like multiple times throughout the week. And I can't remember if it was Ryan, or Mike that brought it up first, like, Hey, you know, just putting that that bugging year again about the song. And I got to thinking, and I had already actually started on one version of this introduction song. But then I just scrapped it. So yesterday, I just had his creative juices flowing. And I said, You know what, I'm going to write this song today. And I was driving around. And typically, I tend to write a lot of songs when I'm driving, not actually while I'm driving, but I just pull over to the side of the road. So really, you know, I was, yeah, yeah, I will pull over to the side of the road. But before I even started to write, I needed a track. And for the viewers, I have a production company with my partner Dan solo bits. It's called mayhem music. So we make a lot of songs for TV and film. And I remember there was something that we pitched to men's wearhouse they wanted this beat that kind of sounded like a roots kind of vibe. And we hadn't used it. So I was like, Yo, I'm going to use this for the convention not trapped. And instead of Dan was actually out of town, so he couldn't get me back. So I had one of my other producer friends, Billy creat recreate that actual track. So Dan was like, Yo, I can get it to you at night. But I'm like, Nah, I need it right now. So my other producer friend recreated dance work with me.   Michael Sinnott  09:16 I mean, that's no, that's no easy task in itself. That's absurd.   Chris Harris  09:23 But I got good people. You know what I'm saying? Clear, he recreates the track. And I'm just going on to drive and I'm just playing it and I'm just like, kind of humming I'm like, convinced. And then and then and then and then and then and then. And I don't have the lyrics yet. But I have, you know, the melody. So I'll make voice memos. And I'll get the lyrics. I'll pull over to the stuff out of row types. Have them sit there for a little bit. Once the juices kind of leave, start driving some more. Oh, oh, yeah. I want to say this, boom, pull over to the side of the row. And that's basically what I did yesterday for about two hours. Do you have a place   Michael Sinnott  10:01 you're going? Or do you literally just like drive around the neighborhoods?   Chris Harris  10:05 Um, I was running some errands. So I had like destinations. But that, you know, I'm driving. So the song isn't even done yet. I was probably about 40% done at this point. And I call the studio and I'm like, Hey, can I get in today? So the main guy that I go to Jim Stewart, he's not working, but his like, I guess, apprentice? I don't know. I don't think that's like disrespectful. Nate is working. And I've worked with Nate before. And it's like, yeah, you come on in. So I tell Nate, All right, I'll be there at three o'clock. But now there's like pressure. I'm like, I gotta finish this. But then   Ryan McDevitt  10:42 you got your appointment to go that guy music, but it's not done.   Chris Harris  10:46 Okay. Not done. But now that I have a time and I know, hey, I need to have this done by 233 o'clock. Pressure was on. And then I just start flowing. So that's what happened. And then when I got to the studio, I'm just feeling it. You know what I mean? I've just, I'm in the zone. And I'm like, Yo, I want y'all to not just like this song. But I want y'all to love this song. You know, I want to really take everything that convention that stands for and try to put it into a song. And that's Dude,   Michael Sinnott  11:18 I need the lyrics. I need it all. Like, I'm gonna   Chris Harris  11:22 I just text you the lyric,   Michael Sinnott  11:23 I'm overwhelmed. Yeah, it's this feeling that I rarely get is being overwhelmed the listeners.   Chris Harris  11:28 For the listeners, you'll be able to find this probably in about a week, actually, maybe now. You can find it on streaming platforms. If you search convention that just like the title of the POC. s in the artists will be mayhem music. So check it out.   Michael Sinnott  11:45 I just Alright, man. Like, I'll go back to the song in a second. But I just want to talk about you for a minute here. And I know you're not, you know, gonna like this. But what is wrong with you, man? Like, this is what this cat did on a Saturday. We didn't. There was no deadline. There's no expectations. Like, we talked about hustle on the show a lot. And I think sometimes we we, um, we don't do that word justice. Right. A lot of people have different interpretations of what hustle means. When we use the word hustle. It's very complimentary. Like To be clear, I never want anyone to think we're like, like, minimizing what they're doing on their weekends by calling it a side hustle or this or that. But like, I cannot wrap my head around the idea of creating something like that. In that time, if you told me you mowed 100 lawns yesterday, I'd be like, Damn, what kind of lawn mower did you have? Right, like, but, but all of that just came from you and your mind and like, collaborating with a couple other people that were clearly as gifted as you are like, dude, I just, it's like, he just showed me a magic trick. I'm not really that interested in it. Like, I want to figure it out. But I know I can't. So I'm just like, in awe. And Chris, Dude, that was like, that's the sweetest, like, most significant, like most amazing thing. I've I've had paintings done to my dog before that I love and like, but I've never had no song written about ours. Silly asses. Like, dude, I don't know what to say. I really don't know. And you didn't say basic job. Like, oh my god, I'm shaking. I   Chris Harris  13:35 mean, I love that you guys not only had me on here as a guest, but that you really have like, open your arms to like, include me as a new host, you know, one of the new hosts of the podcast, so it's like, Hey, man, you know, I want to just show my my gratitude and just say thanks, man, something building here. You know, I love it.   Michael Sinnott  13:56 I better try it a lot harder are doing so more impressive. I gotta I gotta I gotta carry my share row. Ryan. Ryan, are you going crazy right now? Like,   Ryan McDevitt  14:08 yeah, I can't wait to listen to it again. I know, we're I'll do another play of it for the listeners. But everybody knows that. We're just recording this live in our basements and living rooms. And so I really can't wait to break it down. I saw that those lyrics came through on the email too. And I also I heard a couple stanzas there. I can't help as the show's producer, I start to think about like, Okay, well, how would this get to play in? And so for a long time we've been using, you know, we actually had to marvelous Carter on the show, some some episodes go. And we've been using a lot of his infinite audio music. But when I listen to these super produce shows, and when I look at, we don't talk much about the numbers and we kind of have these different personalities. To be frank with our listeners where one of us cares about the numbers a ton, one of us just wants to see what the numbers are and then one of us is like, More of a content person. Now let you figure out which one is dictates themselves. However, however, what I really really was thinking about as I was listening to that is like, Oh man, I cannot wait to take stands a one, two or three to make it this kind of like blend in. So for those of our listeners today who have subscribed to us, they may or may not have noticed that there's a new episode panel, it's always been Mike and I with kind of this little kitschy fist pound thing. But today for this episode, and from now forward, we're making some changes as we go along here. And you'll see that there's a there's a new show cover out there, that includes all three of us. I lovingly call it the, you know, it's a very cartoon oriented cover, right? Yeah. So I call it the King of the Hill cover. I know you're watching. I love Mike judge shows and I watched King of the Hill kind of religiously, it holds up, by the way, always something special about a cartoon that you watch 1520 years later or share. But But man, man, I had goosebumps and then I just had tears on my cheeks. No, like, I don't know about it better way to describe that. When I was listening to it, so yeah,   Chris Harris  16:15 that makes that just warms my heart. Like for real. I mean, I tried to I mean, writing songs for people, organizations, whatever, like this kind of like what I do. And one of the things like I wanted to make sure that I did with this record was make sure that I like put all of us in here in some way. And not just us, but also people that are close to us, right? Yeah, no, there's some lines. And now there's talk about Yogi's, right out,   Michael Sinnott  16:43 and then I heard you like, talk, educate me on the dangers and   Chris Harris  16:48 Exactly. business. I mean, any mention of business, we know who I'm talking about, right? I talk about engineers, school teachers, right? So it's just like little things you can sprinkle in like that, that really give it that personal touch.   Michael Sinnott  17:05 I mean, it's it's if even if you're not my wife, I I think this is why she's still entertained by me is like she listens to music, but she doesn't listen to the lyrics. I can tell her the same story like really? Oh, yeah, yeah. I still got stories she's never heard before. And the truth is, I've told her the story like four or five times, she's just in it for the emotion, not the details. So what I'm getting at is whether you're neurotic. She doesn't listen to this episode. No, I she would hear that and be like, Yeah, no, he's right. He's right. Like, right. If you know, literally, she'll be like, if I'm focusing on the words, I don't, I don't enjoy the music as much. And I'm just like, okay, cool, like for each their own. And what I'm getting at is, whether you're neurotic, obsessive compulsive, like I kind of dabble in, and you are honing in on the words and how they come together, or just someone who like is enjoying the sound like, dude, there's that, that would be impossible to not appreciate on the first, listen, scrilla like, I just I, I can't say enough man. And I can't wait to listen to it over and over again. And like, I have to touch on something here because Ryan mentioned the new artwork. And if you don't mind, I'd love to share that process. Talk about that a little bit.   Ryan McDevitt  18:25 Yeah, and not do this episode is about the new OS, right?   Michael Sinnott  18:28 Yeah, this is. Um, so what you just got what you just got is like, you know, I don't know when when someone close to you, who knows you very well share something about you like that's, there's some intimacy there, right. And also some pressure. So like, I do want to say, Chris, how brave you are, for curating something about us and then sharing it in that manner. Like, a, I don't know if anyone out there knows it. But Ryan and I are not the easiest judges. And we're not that like, we're not super shy with our opinions about things. So Chris, I love you, man. And thank you so much for doing that and sharing that with us in that way you doubt? Hmm, I give that preamble because we've also in the artwork realm. And to be clear, I'm very, very happy with what's been created. But there's a huge difference in creating something with someone who does not know you at all. All right, and like clearly, we're not trying to put anything out on the show that looks like you know, we got it at the corner store. Um, so it takes a while to develop a relationship where you're trying to like, introduce some nuances, especially when it comes to illustrating three human beings. So, I'm gonna shout out there's a there's an app called fire. It's f IV, e rr, I think is how you find it. I think the the premise of this app, it's that Craigslist, it's a little bit more specific to like artists and kind of creative types. And they may do other stuff on there. But to be honest, you go on there, and you say, Hey, this is what I need done, you know, like, I want a portrait of my wife painted. And someone will, someone will be like, I'll do it for 15 bucks. So it's a really cool, like, open marketplace. Um, but as you can imagine that that opens things up, across the whole world, across, you know, every demographic. And from my experience, there tends to be a lot of people in other places that are willing to do like, really incredible artwork for very, very cheap. So I'm interested, you know, yeah, I'll do that I'll sign up for that. Well, what you don't appreciate is that in entering that, there's no clarity on exactly what your native, you know, your native language is going to be, um, exactly like, how, how high your expectations are going to be. So you have to kind of work through all that. And you know, you're working through all that digitally, you know, usually by text, that's actually this fiber app. It's incredibly, I'm just gonna say controlling, and that it creates its own, like social space, where you text and you message within the app. And if you text, if you if you text, something along the lines of, hey, email me, it will immediately flag you and say you're not allowed to communicate via email or any any way outside of Fiverr. So it's very like, which to me is I like that. To me. That's a it's a layer of safety. Um, but it's been about three weeks since I started this and mind you, I'm on my third fiber artists, because the first two I'm just gonna say it didn't work out. Let's just say it's probably me not. It's probably me, Matt, them. But the third artist,   Ryan McDevitt  22:09 it's an international service to write my question.   Michael Sinnott  22:11 Yeah, I mean, that I thought I kind of like, which kind of mentioned, but I didn't want to say like, yeah, yeah,   Ryan McDevitt  22:18 we're I'm getting it. India is fair to talk about that. There seems to be   Michael Sinnott  22:24 a market artists in India. Okay. I don't really know about the Philippines, but there's definitely a concentration in a very different time zone. Let's say that. I want both those markets. Yeah, I mean, and you do you do this much more regularly than I do. And this is a perfect like snapshot of the show. Let's have the guy who never deals with this stuff. Who knows nothing about artwork. Let's have Mike handle the artwork for the for the show. So you volunteered, bro? I did volunteer because that's doing a great job. I'm scared and I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, I'll go first. I'll do this first. Um, and I'm not trying to sound brave. I'm trying to sound like, reckless. Um, let's just say that about 15. At least 15 iterations later. Um, yeah, we've got a little King of the Hill cover that I'm, I mean, I don't know if I can. Well, I don't need to share it with you guys. Here. I got the final revision last night. I'm excited about it. I think it turned out well, so not only am I gonna like give my huge audible clapping to my buddy over in India, who just goes by graphes Studio. So crappy, we're gonna get you some love. Don't worry, buddy, who's just been a sweetheart to deal with. Anyone who sticks with Mike for this long is just a sweetheart. It's amazing. You too included, my wife gets the top metal but this guy did a lot for not a ton of money. And I just can't say enough about the like, I've been kind of like, you know, bitchy about it. But when all of a sudden done the amount of effort and work and like revisions, as gentlemen put into this work for the you know, the money. I'd like to I'd like to give them a bonus to be honest. Because it really is just it like the idea of that open space, like the open market where you can just get someone to do something for you. That's a very different conversation. Um, but it was a learning process for me. You know, I'm used to going into these things with a little bit more like, Where's your website? Where's yours? Send me your CV, like, what college Did you like? I'm just, I'm used to people kind of put me through that grinder. And unfortunately, sometimes I project that on to others. So it's good for me to like step away from that. To deal with some other like, people that have very different backgrounds than me, like not just culturally, but professionally as well. So yeah, that was you guys will see. And I think you'll get get a kick out of it we I mean, there were some iterations throughout that like, I'm not, maybe I'll share it, we'll share those at some point. But I don't want to like I don't want to. I don't want to disrespect the artist. What what I'm pointing out here is that there's just nuances. Right? And like those nuances are, Chris, you're laughing harder? Because I don't know, do you want to? Do you want to use a different word to describe some of the like, just use some stuff where you didn't think you'd have to like clarify it.   Chris Harris  25:45 You know, two of us are white, one of us is black and earlier versions and look like two of us were black skin.   Ryan McDevitt  25:55 Would you nickname the version of me?   26:02 We got here this one   Ryan McDevitt  26:03 culturally culturally agnostic, the Joe Ryan could be any   Chris Harris  26:09 word that was my joke. That was   Michael Sinnott  26:11 that was gonna say Chris said it first. Chris said at first I said it, and I laughed. I laughed my ass off. I'm sorry. But it was one of these situations where you're just like, hmm, I'm not really clear on why you went in that direction. Yeah, I actually and this is, this is the type of stuff where my weird head works where like, if I knew this artist, I'd be like so. So why did you make Ryan black? You know, straight up like, was it the picture we said or was it like, was this a little flair you were putting into it? But like, No, I just I was a little bit more direct. And I the first time I was actually subtle. I was like, I think do me a favor, go and double check those pictures I sent you. The skin tones need to be corrected a little bit i think is how I set it. But then when that didn't do it because I got another one back and it was like, wait a minute. No, you're correcting in the wrong direction. Like no wait. I had to I had to write him back and say like, Sorry, brother. But one of these. One of us is one of us is black and two of us are white in the tones of the figures right now. They're not they're inconsistent with that. When I pointed that out, when I pointed that out, it came back corrected really, really quick. But it was just one of those things that I honestly in my head I'm like I love this artists man. He don't see he don't see any color like that. They're like that he didn't even notice it. It's beautiful.   Ryan McDevitt  27:51 I think you did a phenomenal job. You did a phenomenal job even if you didn't get my melanin right the first time to   Michael Sinnott  27:58 know sure I am great. Ryan will forever be in our hearts. Um, you know and I have the visual to forever be on my phone to   Ryan McDevitt  28:09 like me after far too many weeks on vacation and somewhere   Chris Harris  28:16 so look, I mean, we got the new artwork, we got the new song. I'm thinking to close the song to close the show out we play the song One more time. What do y'all think? I like it. I like it. I think this is a nice short sweet episode. That That sounds phenomenal.   Ryan McDevitt  28:30 Yes Do it. Alright, so know where to find us as Chris gets that queued up it's at convention not underscore podcast. I guess technically this is season four we got rid of the seasons we're starting to number the episodes now so you could kind of see there are many many hours that you could listen to. But let's check the song just one more time we'll close it out with that one more time. Love it   [Intro]  McD is all business  I know Mike got my back  $crilla on the track  [Chorus]  ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute  I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute  I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  [Verse]  Immaculate how I be rapping it  When I be spitting, you know that you loving it Covet it, nothing above it  So you can go run with it  Now let’s get back to it  Back to the basics  Carving out spaces  Practice patience for situations and all vibrations I want all my eyes can see and imma beat you there I aim for variety like a sneaker head  I’m game ready  Keeping that thang steady  Climbing over the dragon  Now who wanna bang with me?  Will you grow and change with me?  Go through the same with?  For those that don’t grow  They known to remain shifty I’m working with all I’ve got  So when you see me, you know what I’m bout  [Chorus]  ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute  I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute  I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  [Verse]  I do this for the people, people like school teachers Who think out the closet for causes that do reach us And spark the young engineers  Who interfere with what society’s instilled in here You keep me grounded dog  And hold me down like my yogis hitting that’s downward dog Then it’s back to business when I’m with my counterparts No sitting down, so we walking around  Real talk, they talk about us, we the talk of the town It’s our chance, we contrast, but I ask  That you pay attention while you listen to this podcast I’m working with all I’ve got  So when you see me you know what I’m bout  [Chorus]  ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional  Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you  Cause in an instant you Can turn your hustle to an institute I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  What that means is unconventional Been in the game a few  So comprehend what imma give to you Cause in an instant you  Can turn your hustle to an institute I can’t stop  I’m on top  Because I’m ConventioNOT  [Outro]  Yeah  Shoutout to Wailer  Carter  Anna  Junior  McD  Mike  $crilla  Mayhem Music
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Mark Rhodes

Excellent job guys! 3 years sober, living and working on call as a railroader.

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