excellence, actually

We talk a lot on this podcast about the principles that underlie true excellence, so we’re especially excited when we see those core ideas exemplified in the real world. On today’s podcast, Steve, Brad, and Clay each pick one sports moment from this past weekend that illustrated a lesson (or three) about healthy competition, unpacking what you can learn from the Tigers and Mariners going 15 innings, A’ja Wilson’s third WNBA title, and the Chicago Marathon. All in all, we ended up with seven lessons about how to compete the right way.*Pre-Order Our New Book, "The Way of Excellence," Today—And Get Great Bonuses!To get a limited first edition copy plus great exclusive bonuses, pre-order The Way of Excellence from Amazon, Barnes and Noble, or Bookshop,org, and then fill out this form with your order number to receive your bonuses today.Whether you are pushing your limits at the gym or on the track, practicing guitar, coaching or leading a team, honing a craft, practicing medicine, or finally taking on that big creative project, this book will help you create, contribute, maximize your potential, and be the best and most authentic version of yourself.Steve Kerr, nine-time NBA champion and coach of Team USA, read an early copy and called it "an absolutely beautiful book...it captures a lot of what I believe as a coach."Pre-orders are a huge help to us and the best way to support our work. They are also a great deal for you. As an "excellence, actually" listener, if you pre-order today, you'll get access to incredible exclusive bonus materials—including a professionally produced 90-minute masterclass, a workbook with interactive exercises for each chapter, a comprehensive reading list, and more. It's an absurdly good value.1. Click to pre-order The Way of Excellence2. Fill out this form with your order number to receive the bonuses.*Click here for an AI-generated, unedited transcriptIf you have a question for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, we're exploring the transformative power of curiosity, which is one of the most effective tools elite performers use in high-pressure situations. We'll explain how shifting from a mindset of fear or rigid confidence to one of open curiosity can change your biology and psychology, unlocking new levels of performance—whether you’re stepping up to a heavy barbell or presenting to a boardroom. It orients the brain way from a threat-based "avoidance" mindset, and towards a challenge-embracing "approach" mentality. Drawing on neuroscience, psychology, and real-world stories from elite athletes and performers, we're giving you practical tools to keep you curious in high-stakes moments.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z5-KGTToE5cGVHJQtfE2d5gF0aLYjKin-Ww8ADEzztw/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a question for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying "excellence, actually," do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCastsYouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is personal development and self-improvement making us better—or just more self-absorbed? In today's episode, we wade into the debate sparked by a recent New York Times article (link below) about whether the world of betterment is actually helping with personal growth, or just creating inward navel-gazing? We discuss how to think about the role of individual agency in a world of structural challenge, the pitfalls of hyper-optimization, and why nuance (and community) matter more than ever. We explore how to use self-help as a tool—without letting it take over your life. Whether you’re a self-improvement skeptic or a die-hard devotee, this conversation will give you new ways to think about growth, agency, and what it really means to be excellent, on both an individual and collective level. "Is Today's Self-Help Teaching Everyone to Be a Jerk?" by Emma Goldberg: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/25/style/self-help-books-columns-readers.htmlUnedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mzKxdG-NcdRbzUsKH6IEMLGt3z5Z7Fln00AN1T4hN3U/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying "excellence, actually," do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCastsYouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Forget everything you’ve been told about toughness. On today's episode, we're taking on many of the macho myths that dominate sports, business, and social media. Is “pushing through the pain” just stupidity in disguise? Are Instagram’s chest-thumping “tough guys” actually the weakest of all? We'll unpack the lies we tell ourselves about grit, reveal why real resilience is nothing like what you’ve been sold, and give you the tips and strategies to build a toolkit that facilitates true toughness. If you’re ready to ditch the clown show and discover what toughness really takes, this episode is for you.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-BVoxHDP06B6-gQSQftn8eD5iVfCkQol3gVedHF0waY/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying "excellence, actually," do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCastsYouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Before the 1993-1994 NBA season, coach Phil Jackson wanted to get his Chicago Bulls some help. They'd won the championship the previous year, but right before the season, Michael Jordan made a surprise retirement announcement. So Jackson called George Mumford—a meditation practitioner who was then teaching mindfulness in hospitals, clinics, and prisons—hoping he might be able to use the same techniques to help the Bulls deal with the stress of success and MJ's departure. Mumford would go on to work with Jackson through six NBA titles: the Bulls in '96, '97, and '98—after MJ returned—and the Lakers in '00, '01, and '02. He has since gone on to a long and successful career as a sports psychologist and performance consultant, teaching people how to stay mentally fit and resilient even amidst difficulty and uncertainty. We often discuss the importance of cultivating the ability to respond rather than react—and George Mumford has made a living out of teaching that skill to some of the world's best performers, including Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. Today, he discusses how to make yourself "flow ready," silence your "negative committee," use his 4 A's framework to deal with difficulty or pain, and manage the moment.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LeQur4snw3Qe6IPSuhG597DQwPx_9kdVhxYw94xFOWA/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying "excellence, actually," do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCastsYouTube Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As we transition into Fall, we've got a few ideas and strategies that we're trying to implement into our lives. Today we're sharing those with you, with the hope that they might also help give you some good momentum heading into the last quarter of the year. You can think of it as your Fall Performance Syllabus. We'll break down the importance of thinking through "set and setting" when beginning a task, how to nail transitional moments of your day (and overnight) with as few energy leaks as possible, and how to master the art of letting go by recognizing when you've got more work to do and when you just need to let things flow.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tEoqmZ2Y_FCFWV1eoDTOnrTbLTW-j1g8i4tPCPGWA4Q/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying "excellence, actually," do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What role should work play in your life? How hard should you be working? And how can you do it in a way that's sustainable over years, or even decades? These aren't simple questions to answer, even if both the "grind like crazy to get ahead" and the "find your bliss" sets tell you that they are. Today, we've enlisted the help of Cal Newport to discuss healthy ways to think about how hard, meaningful work might fit into your life. You'll learn the difference between hard work and work that’s hard to do, why taking lessons from exceptional outliers might hurt more than help, a three-question heuristic that’ll help you evaluate tradeoffs between work and life, and how knowing your maximum effective dose can change how you think about exertion.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ztEstpIhcaz7tCYne9QRxa4rtXH6kVnnCQEDx8rtIU0/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying "excellence, actually," do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The stories we tell ourselves shape our reality, heavily influencing our decision-making, behavior, and ability to bounce back from challenges. Which is why it's important to identify the "narrative values" that help frame the story of your life. These are the words that will impact how we show up in the world, and how we interpret what happens to us, affecting both our psychological and biological responses. Today, we discuss simple ways to identify the narrative values that are most important to you, the relationship (and important differences) between values and goals, and how to use values to help you navigate everyday life. Plus: the fascinating science showing how your brain is a prediction machine, and why acting on our values is even more important during times when we're feeling apathetic about them.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ItRYor3-fvXuMW6bFY_oqT2A4kHxFdyS8Ibrzl3Eoy0/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We spend a lot of time on this podcast talking about how to achieve success in your own personal pursuit of excellence, but we don't spend all that much time talking about what happens after that: how do you sustain it? That's the question facing Cooper Lutkenhaus, a 16-year-old who recently ran a blazing 1:42 in the 800-meter race at the USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships, who provides the launching pad for today's discussion. But it's a question relevant to any of us, whether you've already reached some heights of success or you're still climbing to get there. (And we've even got some thoughts for those who feel like they've been climbing, without success, for too long.) Today’s episode is all about the strategies and habits of turning a moment of greatness into long-term excellence. We discuss structuring practice (and play) to facilitate encouragement and engagement, navigating both short-term and long-term feedback loops, staying true to intrinsic motivation rather than external rewards, and much more.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NDKG39rLl64NR8jU0SBWbXTkaLdvJOmJjEyC13s2ioM/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Since we launched "excellence, actually," we've gotten a bunch of questions from listeners and members of The Growth Equation Academy. So today we're answering four of your most pressing questions. (1) Where is the line between productive preparation and preparation that is done purely to curb anxiety about an upcoming event? (2) How should we transition between important tasks or deep work periods without leaking energy or focus? (3) How to turn down an overactive mind-body threat or alarm system? (4) What role does the efficiency of A.I. have in our pursuits of excellence? As always, we're giving you the most effective, time-tested strategies and practices we've found to deal with each of these issues.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16x-xU0RrAIx8PhBBlNWJb6RndmYnZLvjjsSjGajhWvs/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's the end of the day and you're finally ready to shut down, unplug from work, relax, or go to sleep—except your mind won't stop racing. You're wiped, but your brain and body are still vibrating. Maybe this doesn't just happen at the end of the day, but during breaks throughout it, or maybe you notice it when you've finally gotten to the weekend or a vacation and still can't turn off. This is restless exhaustion, and it seems to be the status quo of our modern world. It's a disconnect between your energy (which is low) and your activation (which is high). So the usual solution of being told to "relax" doesn't work. What you need are a set of tools and changes to your environment that help you downshift your nervous system. That's what we're giving you today. We talk about how restless exhaustion came to be and why it's triggered by the modern world, differentiate between type 1 and type 2 restless exhaustion, and give you the actionable strategies to help you navigate both and get to a state where you can actually rest.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r1LCdHT0Lq49LVrEMlAHukxcDXzWktu4Y5puScv5Tfg/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

At some point, we will all face discomfort, be it psychological or physical, at work or in a workout. But we do often get to choose how to handle that difficulty: Can we work through it? And if so, how? Or is it a case where fighting it actually makes it worse? If we can’t work through it, can we continue to perform at a high level despite the discomfort? Today’s episode is all about giving you the most effective, time-tested tools we’ve come across to help you answer those questions. We discuss how to shift your focus by zooming in and out; the self-talk trick you can use to give yourself some psychological distance; a more effective way to label your emotions so that you can better navigate them; and the surprisingly effective acceptance mantra when every other tool fails and you’ve got not choice but to take the difficult thoughts or feelings along for the ride.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1irbBlDcSa0uqLoG8w6OJtnITDnIz7Du6msCRx2EWEm8/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Just about everyone has been caught thinking that some big achievement would fulfill them—only to get there and realize it didn't. This is the Achievement Trap, and it's so sticky that even those who are well-versed in its trickery still find themselves following into its clutches. But there's another way, one that was exemplified by golf's #1 ranked player Scottie Scheffler during a recent press conference that went viral. It involves a different type of fulfillment, one that we explore in depth on today's episode. We break down what we think people got wrong about Scheffler's comments, what it reveals about our societal ideas of greatness, how to balance ambition with acceptance, and differentiate between outside-in and inside-out success.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/141phkbxVVQyiaWZSCCkL-gF8SGMZTG8GWBSBO1wuAPA/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We believe it's important to do hard things. In fact, as your may know, Steve wrote a book with that very title. But there's a difference between taking on challenges that lead to meaningful growth, and meaningless suffering for likes and validation. That difference is often lost in the performative world of social media. Today's episode is about giving you the skills to build true resilience. We differentiate between purposeful and purposeless difficulty, discuss whether or not the "comfort crisis" is real, introduce a modern affliction we're calling "Zombie burnout," detail Hans Selye's pioneering research on stress (and how its impact on our bodies is determined, in large part, by the meaning we give it), and show you how to apply concepts like "Right Effort" and "The Moat of Low Status."Buy "Do Hard Things" by Steve Magness: https://www.stevemagness.com/do-hard-things/Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13lH47HlWg0Y99fZktUPqK5R3pD-Jq8w0Vxg_98d0xbg/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today, we're taking exception with a couple ideas you often see passed around in the health and wellness space: that balance is achievable (or even desirable), and that obsession is unhealthy. To be truly excellent in a pursuit, it's going to require a level of hyper fixation or single-mindedness that is often maligned, and that will draw energy from other areas in your life. The key is to build systems into your life that keep your constructive or productive obsession from becoming destructive. We discuss the tools you need to do just that. You'll learn about the importance of separating effort from external validation, establishing daily or weekly non-negotiable activities and support systems to prevent burnout, employing the 48-hour rule after success and failures, and understanding the difference between dynamic and static balance.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10MMRRbfEuzMtB2-aDf0Wf3nfv0aJ_T-ltj8dLwl_TyU/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Here's a phrase we often come across: “Comparison is the thief of joy.” This is absolutely true! Unfortunately, we’re biologically wired to seek status and recognition, and with that evolutionary need comes comparison. It’s inevitable. So today, instead of telling you not to compare, we’re giving you the practical tools that will allow you to do it in a healthy way. You’ll learn about the game-changing distinction between being known versus being recognized that could transform how you think about status; we’ll talk about how to do build an authentic identity and value system in a world that’s obsessed with status and personal branding; and we’ll break down the ways to seek recognition that will leave you feeling inspired rather than drained.Link to an unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nv-nN6fGyBvp-WaKTYlsQ6PgjNa3TLo6fbW5L7iFve0/edit?usp=sharingJoin The Growth Equation Academy today. 40% off for a limited time!https://the-growtheq-academy.mn.co/If you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you enjoyed this episode of "excellence, actually," do us a huge favor: subscribe—and text three people about one of the insights or tools from today's show so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On the inaugural episode of our rebranded podcast "excellence, actually," Steve Magness, Brad Stulberg, and Clay Skipper discuss the rebrand of the show (previously FAREWELL), define what they mean by excellence, and show how it's available to all of us—starting with three counter-intuitive but significant mindset shifts that will help you in the pursuits that matter to you most, and that make you into the person you want to be. Not to be confused with the performative nonsense that is peddled online by grifters and influencers, these are the evidence-based systems that work for the best in the world, the tools that make them (and will make you) excellent, actually.Transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TVnQlUGqeqG8FOrMbFgJWXRvyQt9fpKmGZFhOKjdPZk/edit?usp=sharingJoin The Growth Equation Academy today. 40% off for a limited time!https://the-growtheq-academy.mn.co/If you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you enjoyed this episode of "excellence, actually," do us a huge favor: subscribe—and text three people about one of the insights or tools from today's show so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We all know we need to take breaks to allow ourselves to rest and recover, both physically and cognitively. But it can be especially hard to do when we feel like we need to keep pushing. So today, we're tackling that problem: What would it look like to design our days around sustainable rhythms rather than maximum output—and how do we do this while still meeting real-world demands? We talk about how to deal with the anxiety and guilty that can come with taking a break (and feeling behind); give you effective strategies to take both micro/daily breaks and macro/seasonal breaks; and talk about ways to think about building rest and recovery into a long-term path to sustainable success.**ANNOUNCEMENT**: Next week, the podcast will be relaunched as "Excellence, Actually." Subscribe now so that the show still shows up in your feed. If you search for the show, make sure you search "Excellence, Actually."Link to read an unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IhnkVxNQuL8u_cDf3VVT_KEVQlaiAl5z9yqI3sw4qZ8/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

How do you know when to persevere through a rough patch—and when to give up entirely? And if you do decide to push through, what are the most effective tools to bolster your resilience and get you through to the other side? That's what we're breaking down on today's episode. We'll help you recognize when to continue striving despite setbacks and when it's wiser to avoid the sunk cost fallacy, stop, and pivot. Plus: we'll get into what we get wrong about quitting in today's world more generally. Then, we'll walk you through tips and strategies to build your grit: when to zoom in vs. zoom out, how take the next play mentality, and where you can employ frameworks like "strategic laziness" or H-A-L-T.Link to an unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TD8pyDn4rYq9I6-PyxlmJpkeOgGTtaUZVA7BUP-sJEI/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Exercise isn't just a way to better yourself physically. In fact, through our years of running, competing, and working out, we've found some of exercise's greatest gifts to be the lessons it teaches us about ourselves and about life. Here we are sharing nine of our favorites that you'll find useful whether you exercise or not: how to stay patient, how to relax when things get hard, how to create some space between you and your thoughts, how to take the long view, how to be curious, how to stay out of the way when things are going well, and more.Unedited transcript: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DJZGaakGcLkHxt_laQBHEuyCkjGTlo1npCbhIlYEe7g/edit?usp=sharingIf you have a questions for us, send an email to clay.growtheq@gmail.com or call our voicemail at ‪(646) 893-9503‬.Subscribe to The Growth Equation newsletter: https://thegrowtheq.com/newsletters/geq/If you are enjoying FAREWELL, do us a huge favor: text your favorite episode to three people so they can enjoy it, too. Thanks!iTunes and Apple PodcastsSpotifyAndroidPocketCasts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.