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This is the audio of our conversation with four founders of tech companies which was part of Tech Week 2022.  Thanks to Hannah, Elliot, Chris, Jack and Aislinn for being part of this! Very often we just hear the glamorous part of the journey of Founders of tech start-ups. In this zoom session we heard some of the other parts too - no sugar coating, no glitz, just the reality of being an entrepreneur. Sharing were four founders who are each at different stages of the journey – one just raised money recently (Elliot Taylor of ThroughLine), two who have raised last year and are in growth phase (Jack and Chris of Komodo) and one who has recently exited (Hannah of Indigo & Iris). As all these founders incorporated elements of purpose and impact into their business models we will also be hearing about the “Tech for Good” aspects to what they each do. To do this we hear from each guest on their journey and challenges in an interview format hosted by Aislinn Molloy (Senior Solicitor at Parry Field Lawyers with an expertise in capital fundraising) and Steven Moe (Partner at Parry Field Lawyers and Seeds podcast host). Capital raisiing guide mentioned: Capital Raising | Parry Field Lawyers   
In the latest Impact Call for April 2022 we heard from: 00:00 - Introduction to call 05:09 - Kirsten Patterson on IOD 15:52 - Maria English on Impact Lab 27:22 - Ros Rice on Community Networks Aotearoa 44:38 - Final thoughts 46:13 - End Kirsten Patterson (KP) is the Chief Executive of the Institute of Directors of New Zealand (IOD) – was great to hear more about this organisation that has 10,000 members and some of the resources available on their site and the initiatives and training and conferences they run. Maria English the CEO of Impact Lab – interesting to learn background to the work they do in helping organisations measure impact and how they go about doing that Ros Rice the Executive Officer of Community Networks Aotearoa sharing about their recent initiative to provide governance training “Tick for Governance” in the form of a series of 10 modules at a reasonable price – including the first one being free – and loved hearing about the whimsy in the videos https://www.communitynetworksaotearoa... End Video More content at 
Nicola Patrick has led an interesting life and in this episode we hear all about her journey.  We have a bunch of diversions along the way to talk about social enterprise, growing up in Takaka, working for the Ākina Foundation, rights of rivers and a lot more too.  We also focus in on an upcoming Expo that Thrive Whanganui are coordinating - you can find out more about it at their Facebook page below. Recent story about Te Awa Tupua: For more content visit   
The 300th episode!  Thanks everyone for helping get to this point - in this one it's a bit different as I am in conversation with Andy Dickson who interviewed me for his podcast, 'Down to Earth Conversations' which he called "Law, Seeds and Maximum Impact".  We talk about my background and history and I share some of my journey - hope you enjoy this!!   Check out his podcast: Photo by former guest Stephanie Defregger Here is description of episode by Andy: In this episode I had the privilege of sitting down with lawyer, writer and podcaster Steven Moe.  Steven is someone whose life reflects his desire to see change in the world.  He loves to support other change makers, as well as role modelling fresh ways of approaching situations. We talk about his podcast, The Seeds, and he shares how and why it came about. We also explore how he functions as a lawyer who wants to do good in the world. We talk about the ways businesses can structure themselves to have a positive impact on the world, and about being stewards who pass on to the next generations something worth having.  We discuss Steven's writing and why he serves on boards and advisory groups and how he does all of that while having a family.  There's a bit of everything in this kōrero! Check out The Seeds at for podcast links as well as articles and other bits and pieces.  Follow The Seeds on Facebook or Instagram And download a copy of Steven's latest book: Laying Foundations for Reimagining Business for free at ___ Connect with me at or at: Facebook:  Instagram: @downtoearth.conversations Email:   Music by Strahan: Spotify: Strahan Facebook:  or Instagram: @strahanmusic  or  @commoners_communion      
In this conversation with Michelle Berriman we hear about her purpose driven work, her fascinating background and what has led her to New Zealand.  We also talk about a report that the Fundraising Institute of New Zealand have just released prepared over two years on giving, wills and bequests (downloadable here) called 'New Zealand's Willpower'.   Her bio: Michelle has been causing disruption and transformational change in the NPF sector for over 25 years, Michelle is motivated by creating change and making a difference to those facing adversity and wants everyone to be given the chance to be the very best version of themselves. Michelle is the currently the Executive Director of FINZ. Michelle has work in a variety of roles within the charity sector, prior to a move into fundraising and development she was a youth/community development worker supporting children looked after by the state, running community-based youth projects, and working in juvenile lock-down. Michelle’s natural ability to forge long lasting and meaningful relationships has delivered positive results for the many organisations she has worked for. Michelle has a passion for events, conceptualising ideas, and bringing a new flavour to existing programmes within organisations. FINZ:  The report:  For more interviews see 
Stephanie Defregger is a photographer who captures stories and the essense of a person through her photos.  In this interview we discuss her background and growing up in Munich, her move to New Zealand and her work as a photographer.  We particularly discuss storytelling and the role of photos as well as the significance of certain 'thin places' where each of us feel connection and grounding.  I really enjoyed this conversation and am sure you will as well - if you do there are 298 others in the back catalogue at  Website: Email:  Her pechakucha talk: Impact unconference talk:  
Each month I host an "Impact Call" by zoom - this is the audio of the latest one featuring some amazing speakers about what they are currenty up to! If you'd like to join the more than 650 that get notifications about upcoming calls and news as well let me know by email to ... Our speakers are: - Sue McCabe the CE of Philanthropy New Zealand | Tōpūtanga Tuku Aroha o Aotearoa will share about their new initiative Match | Te Puna Taurite which is about to launch and provide “a more equitable, accessible and collaborative funding system” - Michelle Berriman the Executive Director of FINZ New Zealand who are releasing a research report soon.  - Kaye Maree Dunn will share about He Kōrero – from these podcasts focus on Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the way different practitioners apply its intent and principles in their respective mahi. This mahi includes kaupapa Māori research, education, climate change, homelessness and community development. Link He Kōrero - Te Tiriti Podcasts - Community Research Index: 00:51: Intro 04:09: Sue McCabe from Philanthropy New Zealand 13:19: Kaye Maree Dunn from  29:13: Michelle Berriman from Fundraising Institute of New Zealand  For more episodes visit 
10 Lessons Learned

10 Lessons Learned


Am curious - what advice would you give a new grad starting out in your role? Am really pleased to have Sophie Tremewan join our team this month to share in our focus on purpose driven organisations, getting legal structures right, draft contracts where they are legally safeguarded and help them raise capital from investors. Sophie is also becoming a property law expert through her work with Judith Bullin – useful skills! Am so glad to work with an amazing team which is growing, and are the only reason I am able to do the things I am involved in. Thank you Aislinn Molloy, Michael Belay Sophie Tremewan and Emma Hayes! There are 10 pieces of advice I had for her as she starts out (really reminders for myself … ): Add value. Always ask ‘how can I make things better’, by doing more than is expected or requested. If you are asked to write a memo, draft the cover email that you know is going to be needed as well. If you mention a resource to someone over a coffee or on a call, follow up by emailing them a link later. If a client has a problem, think about whether they are asking the right questions or if there are other issues they haven’t though about yet. Be proactive. Be curious. Law school prepares you to think logically but not to deal with the reality of legal practise. There are going to be questions you get asked that you don’t have the answers to. Some of them will seem very dull (“What is the origin of section 22 of the Trusts Act 2019?”). But every question is a chance to learn something new, so approach them like greeting an old friend with enthusiasm and curiosity and soon enough you will discover that answering those dozens and hundreds of questions will build up over time into a foundation on which you can stand firm. Be efficient. Learn to use time well and in particular look for those bits of time that are wasted. Have a commute? Perfect time to call prospective clients who want to talk. Have an interest in a subject area? Why not write a white paper about it and become known as an expert in that and reach out to others you admire to ask for their views. Be creative. Following on from that last one always be looking to infuse your work with creativity too. Add a quote from a poet to that article you are writing. Spend time thinking about the cover image on the guide “Capital Raising key legal issues”. We are lawyers, but we can be creative in how we express ourselves too. I like how Seth Godin puts it this way: “The distance from can to will keeps getting larger. You can connect, lead, see, speak, create, encourage, challenge and contribute. Will you?” I did a short episode on creativity here. Seek impact. We are lucky to meet amazing founders and purpose driven people and get to help catalyse impact for them to achieve things and that is a great privilege. Actively consider the areas you want to become known for and become an expert in that. Becoming an impact driven lawyer is possible (a short talk on that here). Assumptions are dangerous. Be careful when relying on an assumption about an answer, what a client wants, what someone implied or how long something will take to prepare. You'll get experience over time but until then always be wary about assumptions. Own mistakes. Yes they will happen. Acknowledge them and apologise and learn from them, but then move on and don’t let them drag you down over and over by playing on an internal repeat loop. I once emailed a "reply all" by mistake that went to 8,000 people! When I interviewed Michael Mayell for seeds podcast here he described mistakes as the compost from which success will grow. I really like that. Relationships are key. Think of it like a spiderweb where we are all interconnected in some way – everyone in that web has value and one day you may be able to help them (or they could help you). You are a leader. Think of yourself as a leader right from the outset because you are – at the very least lead one person, yourself. So start there and that mindset will help you grow and contribute… Have fun. I started my career in 2001 so have been doing this a while. It’s important to not let the pressure of work outweigh the having fun part . . . What advice would you have for a new grad starting in your role? I'd like to know!
Raesha Ismail has grown up with multiple identities and we discuss her life story on this episode.  Born in New Zealand but with strong connections back to India and being a Muslim has meant many rich cultural influences on her journey.  What is it like to grow up in Christchurch?  And what are the type of questions we should be asking others we meet who might not fit a neat box?  We also talk about her work today as a counsellor, the loss of her brother in the March 15th attacks, and how that led her to join the Sakinah Community Trust which is a woman led charity of widows and others who lost siblings or parents and who are doing good work on uniting communities.  Check out their upcoming events to mark the anniversary.  This is one of almost 300 episodes so check the others out at    Sakinah Community Trust: Counselling work: The Big Sick trailer we discussed: For more interviews visit  
James Stewart founded Gemelli Consulting to work on impact focussed projects.  In this interview he shares his personal journey, from being challenged about how he would use his privilege early in his life and the change that resulted ad led to seeking out purpose.  We also talk about his unusual business model – profits get given away.  Finally we talk about a white paper he has just released which is focussed on the housing crisis and one possible solution to that.  I enjoyed this conversation and if you do as well check out some others at    White paper: Gemelli Consulting:
In this converation with the Christchurch City Missioner Matthew Mark, we find out about his background and motivations as well as the work they do with the homeless and others in need.  That is a lot more people than you might think.   Matthew also shares about his own background and why this work is so important to him, and how we can support what they do.   Christchurch City Mission: Christchurch City Mission  For more interviews visit 
This is a very short 5 minute excerpt of the conversation with Nobuko Okamoto about Kintsugi, the Japanese art of repairing broken pottery using gold - we reflected on what it might mean for each of us and our lives and parts that might be broken.   "The thing that strikes me about this technique of Kintsugi is that if we think about our lives, so often there are broken parts in our lives - and it is easy to push them aside and say "I don't want to deal with that brokenness" or that pain or whatever it is.  And the model that you are using is to say, "we can repair things and we can regognise that there is brokenness but that there can be beauty in the brokenness" - and by using Gold it is actually emphasising the places where the pottery was broken - and sometimes in our lives, well we don't want to talk about the broken things but in the same way we can be repaired, we can be fixed as well, and it can be something that even is celebrated, that it actually leads to some new life for this object ... or this person. It is a beatiful thing." Facebook for more by Nobuko:  Photos by Nobuko Okamoto of work she has done - visit her instagram for many more amazing ones.  For more interviews visit 
Nobuko is an artist who uses the Japanese method of Kintsugi to repair broken pottery.  In this interview we talk about the process of doing that but also what it represents about us as humans as well.  We also go into her background and life in Japan, being a professional snowboarder and what brought her to New Zealand as a teenager and then later in life as well.  If you have any broken items of pottery that is special then she is the best person to reach out to!  If you enjoy this conversation then have a listen to some of the almost 300 others in the back catalogue.   Nobuko Okamoto Instagram : nobu.kintsugi  Facebook:  Stuff article: 
Sid is part of the founding team of Neighbourhoods, which is focussed on the role of reputation in an online world.  Before we talk about that initiative we dive into his past growing up in India, joining the banking system, abandoning that for several years including time at the Ghandi Ashram, thinking about the true meaning of wealth, finding that distributed ledger technology could be used to measure reputation and what Neighbourhoods is.  I think it has real potential and am a supporter of the Project and have invested a small amount too.  This is the longest of the interviews recorded because we talked about so many different topics - if you enjoy this style then make sure to check out one of the others in the back catalogue at because there are almost 300 of them.   Website: Neighbourhoods | A design philosophy for Holochain hApps. White Paper: White Paper v.1 - White Paper ( Twitter: Neighbourhoods (@Neighbour_hoods) / Twitter  The article on Captain Planet... Remembering Captain Planet, 30 years on | The Spinoff Edmund Hillary Fellowship: Edmund Hillary Fellowship ( Index of topics 00:00 - Intro 02:40 - Childhood influences and cultural context growing up in India 10:04 - the impact of language on culture and communities 13:37 - the impact of neoliberalism and globalisation 21:57 - Discussing Caste system and impact 26:05 - first job in trading and experience 33:45 - Fissures in thinking about role of capitalism 38:24 - time at Ghandi Ashram and new paradigms of thinking from time there 55:55 - meaning of wealth and deeper thinking on this 1:04:02 - the implications of distributed ledger technology and ability to keep track of reputation 1:10:56 - Holo Chain and this enabling agency and new ways of social coordination 1:13:36 - some examples and tools Neighbourhoods provides 1:17:17 - what you need to create a Neighbourhoods Community 1:20:50 - plugging in and now and in the future 1:27:25 - impact of reputation on credit and accessing money 1:31:21 - comparison of Neighbourhoods to current social media platforms 1:34:03 - real world examples and scaleability of use 1:38:25 - Vision for future and how to define success 1:42:44 - Links to find out more 1:43:15 - reflections on the Edmund Hillary Fellowship
Nicola has recently been appointed as CEO of the Ākina Foundation so in this interview we find out all about the work they are doing in the area of impact.  They have done a lot and continue provide many resources for those interested in the intersection of purpose, profit and business.  We also hear about her life story and journeys across the world and in other roles.  If you enjoy this then check out some of the hundreds of other interviews in the back catalogue.   Website: Earlier interview with former CEO Louise Aitken in November 2018 - interesting to hear how terminology has moved on since that recording too:     
Joy co-founded One Mother to Another which is an amazing initiative providing handwritten notes and gifts to Mothers and carers in Hospitals going through a difficult time with a sick child.  Their aim is to bridge the gap between 2 strangers and offer understanding and acknowledgement of their difficulty but mostly put a smile on their face and let them know they are cared about.  Before we talk about that we also learn about her life story and what it has been like being a journalist on radio and television.  I really enjoyed learning about her journey and am sure you will too - if you do check out their website below and don't forget there are nearly 300 other interviews as well for seeds. Website: Ways to help: 
Welcome to the audio version of the White Paper that you can download here: “The Decentralised Revolution: Understanding the potential of Blockchain, DeFi, Crypto, DAOs, NFTs and the Metaverse to drive innovation, creativity and new paradigms“. You can download the paper here:  Know anyone who might like to see a copy? Sparked by the Reserve Bank of New Zealand issues papers about the future of money it uses that as a launching point to take a higher level perspective of what the future might look like. Check out other episodes in the back catalogue as well and sign up for the newsletter at 
This is a short story I wrote to encourage us when we lose sight of the value of what we are doing.   The printed version is at The Empty Square here: Thank you Julie Holck and Simon Glinvad Nielsen for publishing this and other writing.  Check out their site for a lot of great content. If you like this then would you consider sharing it with someone else?  
Oonagh Browne is an expert in Chocolate and Cacao.  In this conversation we hear about her childhood in Ireland, her moving to different parts of the world, her feeling on arriving in New Zealand, first experiences with making chocolate and why she started The Cacao Ambassador.  We find out a lot about chocolate and cacao as well!  Find out more about her work here For more interviews visit 
Oonagh is an expert on Chocolate and Cacao.  In this conversation we hear about this topic as a preview of the full episode which will come out next.   Find out more about her work here
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Dorje Mckinnon

Thanks for helping remind me what it was like to be 11. Basketball story is great!

Sep 9th
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Jonathan Lee

A few weeks ago, I sat down with Steven and had a solid, fun, recorded conversation on purpose and life. Steven recently published a legal handbook on social enterprises in New Zealand and has been doing interviews with entrepreneurs and social enterprises about their journeys on this podcast. Through mutual friends and overlapping circles we got connected quite quickly. I feel honored to have been invited to be on the podcast. The growing list of humans and their truly impressive set of accomplishments and contributions to earth and society are humbling. Steven masterfully guided the conversation from my childhood to teenager years as an immigrant, as he waives into it his own story and aspirations, and we move into my university days and during that the exposure to the greater world, its beauty, its problems, my craft, and my finding of sometimes-often bumpy pathways that have taken me where I am currently. I told him it has been years since anyone has dug that deep to my past-history and the aspirations that have been part of my constant evolution, and it was truly an enlightening articulation/process for myself as well. After our interview/conversation, I have listened to several podcasts with other interviewees and have enjoyed their stories, lessons, and journeys. I am looking forward to soaking up some more! I can definitely recommend this podcast and hope that there is great value for you too.

Jan 23rd
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