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Author: Steven Moe

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We talk with people living lives of purpose and having a positive impact in our world. We take time to listen to them as they reflect on their life journeys and what has shaped them into who they are today.
151 Episodes
Last night I had the privilege of interviewing Jezza Williams and hearing some of his story.  This was recorded in front of a live audience of about 120 in the Christchurch Botanic Gardens and was a Canterbury Employers Chamber of Commerce "Next Generation" event.  The interview is relatively short as it was one of several things that evening - but we covered a lot!  Be watching out in 2020 for a complete episode where we can dive deeper with Jezza but I think you will agree that what he shares on this is inspirational.  I personally loved being taught about the power of the word "inclusivity" as opposed to "accessibility" and will go into the future with a new way of thinking as a result. Website: A bit thanks to the sponsors Vodafone as well as Canterbury Employers Chamber of Commerce and the team that organised this and made it such a high quality and easy event - in particular Tash.   Bridget Williams interview mentioned: For more interviews visit  
Sacha is a multiplatinum selling singer, songwriter and musician who has also founded SOLE Music Academy.  In this interview we talk about her life story, her love of music, the role her Grandfather played in her singing, competing in Jazz competitions from a young age and why she thinks music is so important.  We also talk about the origins of SOLE Music Academy, what it is aimed at doing by empowering young people in their music careers and the plans for the future.   I really enjoyed this conversation and know you will too.  Please check out the website for SOLE Music Academy which has a link to the PledgeMe campaign currently running. PledgeMe: Spotify: Profile and bio: Full song which had an excerpt sung in interview: For more interviews visit      
Steve founded Honoris a year ago and in this episode we catch up on how that venture is going as well as learn about his life and what it is like to design buildings.  We also hear about his early days in England, what led him into the career he has pursued and what led him to New Zealand.  What might a building of the future be like when AI has been integrated into it fully?  I really enjoyed this conversation with Steve and am sure you will as well. Website: LinkedIn: Email: For many more interviews visit   
Tamara came in for an interview yesterday and we also recorded some songs - here they are!  There are several songs played on this episode using three different flutes as well as lots of insights into playing flute in between.... her band Mundi are amazing - check them out!  She also impromptu composed a short song called "Rata" as one of the pieces. For more content visit For more on Tamara visit And TedX event performance - where we first met:    
Matthew is the manager for the Christchurch branch of Big Brothers, Big Sisters.  In this interview we learn about his childhood and life journey, the role that mentoring has played in his life and what BBBS is involved in.  We also talk about what training they give to new mentors - skills that are relevant to all of us.   I really enjoyed my conversation with Matthew and know you will as well - if you do, check out some of the other episodes in the back catalogue at Website: Hawaiian resilience study mentioned: Email:    
Enette is an expert in Leadership and System Change based in Canada.  In this interview we talk about how that system change happens but also discuss stewardship and legacy. We also learn about her work in health care reform and what led to her making the decision to pursue what she does now with Level 8 leadership.  I really enjoyed our conversation and all the variety of topics we touched on, including what she most appreciated about her Grandparents and what it means to be a French Canadian.  It's a very wide ranging conversation! Website: Thanks to The Canterbury Club for making a room available for this interview and also to Peter McKaskell for connecting me with Enette.  His business is here   For more interviews visit   
This is very short extract from a conversation I had with Nathan Seaward where he shared a story that I thought others might appreciate as well.  If you are faced with a decision then this might be one thing to think about! The full interview with Nathan will come out soon. For more interviews visit  
Rebecca connects people and through that weaves community across traditional divides.  She does this through starting her own initiatives as well as supporting others with theirs.  The number of people she mentions in this interview who have helped her or been involved in different things is an indication of the value she places on community - just have a look at the 24 names and links below for evidence!  In this interview we hear about her life story and trace back to her childhood, what motivated her to start her social enterprise Krama & Co., the impact of attending an Impact Lunch and the connections that led to starting Giving Seeds of Love after the attacks of 15 March as well as her thoughts about the future.  Too often we hear negative stories so it is nice to hear some good ones too. Rebecca sent me links to all the organisations and people she mentioned: In terms of Krama & Co. I talked about meeting you at Parry Field to discuss how to set it up was pivotal. I talked about Flame Cambodia and Home and Family Society I talked about Danielle Poyzer In terms of Giving Seeds of Love I talked about meeting Bel at a Seeds Podcast Impact Lunch I then talked about Jo Bailey who founded Uniting Canterbury Women along with Zahra Hussaini who is part of Who is Hussain? Christchurch and Canterbury Resilience Foundation and Also in the team is Amber Johnson who runs Naeema Arefi and very importantly Dr Hafsa Ahmed who is a trustee of the Lady Khadija Charitable Trust who we have partnered with to look at running the Giving Seeds of Love initiative next year. In talking about the project I mentioned consulting with Sarina Dickson from The worry bug. and also consulting with Jessie Kendall who practices NLP and Empower Me Now has I spoke about having a space at which is run by for the unity garden. I spoke about the Unity floral tribute. The artist is Simone Johnston from who I was introduced to years ago by Ministry of Awesome as she also has a social enterprise supporting women in Guatemala. called Mano Fair Trade We were lucky enough to have Janneth Gil follow the process and get some great photos for us.  We donated it to the Muslim Association of Canterbury and arranged for it to be then donated to the Canterbury Museum We have been running workshops and were lucky enough to be invited to run some at Al Noor Mosque over the school holidays and also for when Jane Goodall came to Christchrcuh  and met children who are part of the Roots and Shoots programme We have also run a workshop for Who is Hussain - Auckland A reflection written for Rebecca based on our conversation: Seeds of Love We talk and in every second sentence I hear Someone else who helped, another name While division was his goal, it’s clear As seeds of love are planted, unity draws near Even if life will never again be the same For in those brief moments of that day, last breaths were stolen from so many lives The way things were can’t remain or stay And yet still a smile, for come what may With empathy, love and hope still strives So let’s turn our faces together, not apart Learning to talk, uniting for brave deeds Like laughing and listening, it’s a start And maybe it will help heal each heart Giving us courage to plant more seeds      
Alina Siegfried is an Impact Storyteller, Narrative Strategist, and award-winning Performance Poet. She is passionate about arts, storytelling and narrative as a tool to inspire systems-level change.  In this interview we talk about her background and how she became a poet and what it means to draw out people's stories in order to describe the impact they are having.   Alina has been performing spoken word poetry for the past decade, under the alias Ali Jacs. She is a founder of Wellington's Poetry in Motion community, winner of the 2012 New Zealand National Poetry Slam, and in 2013 she competed in the Women of the World Poetry Slam in Minneapolis. While the poetry started out as a "full-time" hobby, Alina now taks the tools and tricks learned from the art form and helps organisations become more creative and authentic with their storytelling. Working with companies, social enterprises, non-profits, government bodies, and entrepreneurs driven to create impact, she helps with story strategy, content development, copywriting, video direction, and internal storytelling to strengthen teams and organisations to become more human. Website: Watch Alina's poetry on YouTube: LinkedIn: Facebook: Edmund Hillary Fellowship: Here is the link to the Shapeshifter video that signalled to me that it was time to come back to New Zealand! It's a cool watch if you haven't seen it... be great for listeners to be able to go on that journey if they so desire! - Alina Siegfried  
In next week's episode we will hear from Alina Siegfried a performance poet and impact storyteller.  She read this poem during the interview and so this is a preview of what is to come. I think poetry helps us reimagine our world so appreciate the chance to use this platform to share a poem like this.  This poem was written after Alina read "Big World, Small Planet" by Johan Rockstrom, director of the Stockholm Resilience Center, and Mattias Klum. Alina Siegfried Book website: Book facebook: Website: Watch Alina's poetry on YouTube: LinkedIn: Facebook: For more visit     
Angela is a speech and language therapist who works with people who have communication difficulties following brain injuries or disease through Cantabrainers Choir.  Cantabrainers helps people with neurological conditions to find their voice again.  In this interview we talk with Angela about her early days in Springfield, what it was like growing up in a small town of 80 people, the role of steam trains for her Father, how she became a speech and language therapist and what she learned in studying that, and her role today in helping people who have needs for speech and language therapy.  We also dive into what Cantabrainers Choir is and what they are involved in and the role they play for the people who attend. Website: From the website: The Cantabrainers Choir is a therapeutic choir, led by a registered Music Therapist (Kimberley Wade) and a registered Speech Language Therapist (Angela Reimer, STAR). Cantabrainers exists for people with neurological conditions such as Stroke, Parkinson’s disease, Multiple Sclerosis and Brain Injury, helping them to improve their voice and communication through singing and socialising. The choir was established by Therapy Professionals Ltd in 2012, and on 1 January 2019 the Cantabrainers Therapeutic Choir Charitable Trust took over the management of the Choir.  Through creating a sustainable therapeutic choir, the Trust enables participation, connection and enrichment of the lives of choir members, their carers and families as well as the wider community.
In this intertalk we speak 100 years after the original interview with Ron Park.  We sit down with Ron Park jr, the great grandson of Ron Park (named after his great grandfather), and reflect on what our grandparents had discussed way back in 2019 on seeds podcast. (Yes, you need an imagination to listen to this one). Video:  
Ron moved at age 8 to New Zealand from Korea and while a University student he founded Kōrure.  In this interview we talk about his memories of arriving in a new country where he did not speak the language, going through difficult times and what he learned from that, the UCE summer startup program and its impact, the business he set up, health and food supplements and Omega 3 and his work on other initiatives including the Whakamana Museum with Michael Mayell about Hemp.  I really enjoyed this interview with Ron. Bonus: At the end we also recorded a small interview which is set 100 years from now in 2119 and we reflect on what we discussed and how the world changed.  It's a quirky bonus episode you might enjoy. This was also recorded as a video here: Website: Facebook: UCE: More interviews 
John is Director of Educational Engagement at Carnegie Mellon University Entertainment Technology Centre. In this interview we talk about his early years and his background that has led to a career looking at how entertainment can intersect with education.  We also talk about John's childhood and experience in France, what he studied, why he loves lego so much, what it was like to compete at lego and the role it plays in this life today. John's website: Future of Learning Conference: A big thanks to the team who organised the conference as it allowed us to sit down with him, in particular Louisa as well as:   Hamish Duff from Recalibrate: Cheryl Doig (a former Seeds Guest) from Think Beyond: Cheryl's earlier interview on seeds:
This is a panel discussion held as part of Impact Week at the end of September 2019 where we looked at what makes Christchurch unique today, how the earthquakes, shootings and fires have shaped that identity and given it an international profile, what we love about living here and what potential there to really embrace being a true City of Impact.  The panellists were: Bridget Williams, of Bead & Proceed (a former Seeds guest) Tim Loftus, of ChristchurchNZ Abdigani Ali, of Canterbury Resilience Foundation (a former Seeds guest) Steven Moe, Partner at Parry Field Lawyers and Seeds Podcast host This is the 137th episode.  For more visit Thanks to Parry Field for the use of the venue and for the photo Safe Wongsunopparat and for recording video of the session too.  And a shout out to the many people who contributed their views during the panel Q&A period.    
Alex grew up in Norway and dreamed of being a professional snowboarder.  In this interview we learn about her childhood in that country and what led her to study Chiropractic care.  We also discover what she has learned through that study and get a few tips to care for our spines.  We then turn to focus on the business of Connect Chiropractic which takes an unusual approach in its business model having a Koha system of paying as you choose.  I really enjoyed my discussion with Alex and know you will as well. "About Connect Chiropractic": Drs Alex & Matt Wild started Connect Chiropractic in November 2018. With a mission to make Chiropractic care accessible and affordable to anyone in Christchurch, they offer a Koha (Pay as you choose) fee system. Regardless of ones financial situation they ensure that chiropractic care is always achievable, to facilitate a healthier, sustainable and more connected community. Since Connect’s conception they have subsidised over $50,000 worth of chiropractic care; and through their Community Connect Program have donated over $2,400 to local community organisations and programs. Link to Website: Link to Community Connect Program: Link to TV1 News Segment: Link to Instagram: @connectchironz This is one of dozens of interviews - for more visit      
The Future of Learning Conference took place over two days on 30 September and 1 October 2019 and this audio captures the main stage sessions.  If you enjoy this check out other interviews at  This is an extremely long episode of almost 8 hours but you can navigate to relevant parts by using this index:   2:38 - Welcome from Eruera Tarena   6:29 - Introduction and setting the scene by Cheryl Doig and Hamish Duff   17:09 - Cheryl Doig on patterns emerging in learning and X shaped learners   27:29 - Hamish Duff on skills of the future   37:11 - Panel of Kendall Flutey, Sam Johnson and Mia Sutherland - Panel on the change of the career path   1:10:24 - John Balash - Small Bets: 20 years later   1:48:54 - BOMA NZ Education Fellows (ten secondary teachers sharing the future focussed projects they have worked on)   2:22:54 - Jody Boshoff - Why emotionally intelligent conversational artificial intelligence is a game changer for learning   2:53:50 - Eruera Tarena - Future flows: Transforming our education system for an equitable future           END OF DAY ONE   3:43:42 - Provocation by Cheryl Doig and on Learning City Christchurch   3:47:05 - Mahsa Mohaghegh - The impact of artificial intelligence on education   4:15:11 - Jessica Trybus - Cool technology, solving real problems and 21st Century Skills   4:59:27 - Panel of Shailan Patel, Margaret Pickering and David Glover - How can we personalise learning to meet diverse needs   5:40:06 - Jason Swanson - Navigating the future of learning - Forecast 5.0   6:15:12 - Daisy Laveo Timo - Poetry to set the scene   6:23:37 - James Hayes - Changing the baby in the bathwater   7:06:23 - The J Team Panel - John Balash, Jason Swanson and Jessica Trybus reflecting on the conference and "Where now"?   7:30:22 - Conclusion with Hamish Duff and Cheryl Doig   7:43:55 - End          END OF DAY TWO   Future of Learning Conference: A big thanks to the team who organised the conference as it allowed us to sit down with him, in particular Louisa as well as:   Hamish Duff from Recalibrate: Cheryl Doig (a former Seeds Guest) from Think Beyond: Cheryl's earlier interview on seeds: Mahsa's interview: Jason Swanson's interview:      
Say NO to say YES

Say NO to say YES


This is a short reflection on the power of "no" to free us up to say "yes" to what really matters.   It is transcribed in full below and here: You are walking along with a dog in a field and a rabbit springs out of nowhere – the dog immediately chases after it. The dog is fast and is about to catch it when a second rabbit jumps up. The dog stops chasing the first rabbit to run after the second. As a result it doesn’t catch either. This is Steven Moe – welcome to Seeds Podcast. How we use our days The story I told at the start is based on a Chinese proverb which says, “The man who chases two rabbits catches none”. This episode is as much a form of self talk as anything – you see, sometimes I feel like I am that dog in the story and I confess to being distracted by chasing too many rabbits, otherwise known as opportunities. Each of us have 24 hours today, tomorrow, the next day. Until we don’t have any days left. What do we want to do with that time? What do we say “yes” to, and what do we say “no” to. You see by saying “yes” to one thing – and chasing it like a rabbit – you are also saying “no” to something else. So what is the bigger ‘Yes’ Too often I am given opportunities – attending an event, a dinner, taking up a position. My natural reaction is to say “yes” but I actually think the wisdom is to learn when it is the right thing to say “no”. What I mean is that every time we say “yes” to some new commitment or event of some kind we are in effect saying “no” to something else, because our time is valuable and how we use it matters. Sometimes it is important to say “no” to one thing so that you can say “yes” to something that is even more strategic or important. If we know what the bigger “yes” is, then saying “no” can make sense. As an example, if you know that your family is the bigger “yes” then that will justify saying “no” to an opportunity that would take you away from them. For example, I’m on a board of directors which meets in Auckland – dinner was planned for after a day long meeting – it would have been easy to say “Yes” to that opportunity – and there would have been real benefits in doing so too. But being home overnight was more important – the bigger “Yes” – so, I said “No”. Of course, I find it easiest to say yes to requests. I like to say ‘yes’ if I can help someone. It’s a delicate line. But the reality is that people will ask you to focus on their top priority, not on your top priority. And that’s when you end up running after too many rabbits. By saying "no" to one thing, you are able to say "yes" to that bigger picture. This principle is an echo of something else that is worth highlighting: focusing on the urgent instead of the important. How often does an email or a message come in that distracts you from doing something that is really important – inviting you to say "yes" to that distraction. The urgent – particularly in our instant age – often takes precedence over the truly important. You can’t be everything Kendall Flutey from Banqerhad some great advice at the Impact Summitrecently which is part of a 5 hour episode on seeds. It kind of sparked my own thinking on this topic. What she said was this: "You can be anything you want - you are poised perfectly right now to achieve absolutely anything. But I don’t believe we can be everything. You can’t be everything at once. So I just want to be something, and do that really well." For Seeds Podcastthere is now a great community and I put out the question to get input from some of you on the Linked In page, Facebook page and Twitter and got a few responses: Leigh Kennedy wrote the following: “What an interesting subject. Certainly not an earth shattering example, but I said no to several teaching opportunities when I was transitioning into my business. Turning down the familiar / known and its guaranteed income was pretty scary at the time. I was working with a client this week who had just gone through a similar experience. Quite empowering to recognise the 'no thanks' moments and realise how committed you are to the new direction.” Zoë Hector (whose a former guest) with the start-up Talk Town, noted: Yup - very easy to get caught up in the ‘hype’ of being a startup… and forget to actually start up… Banqer are some of my role models for focusing on their mission. So, how do we say no? Steve Jobs once said the following and you can see where it would apply to really becoming great at what you do: “People think focus means saying yes to the thing you’ve got to focus on. But that’s not what it means at all. It means saying no to the hundred other good ideas that there are. You have to pick carefully. I’m actually as proud of the things we haven’t done as the things I have done. Innovation is saying ‘no’ to 1,000 things.” It's one thing to decide you will say ‘no’ but how do you do so with grace and in a way that does not hurt another person? Probably practice will help, but "I can't take that on right now", is one gracious way to acknowledge the honour of being asked but admit that it cannot fit in. Who is asking? Of course, the request may not come from someone else. It might come from yourself. The key question is, does what you think needs to be done actually need to be done? Peter Drucker put this really well: “There is surely nothing quite so useless as doing with great efficiency what should not be done at all.” Some final thoughts So to round this out, a few things to think about: • Focus on what you want to achieve and don’t try to do everything. • Give yourself permission to say no to things that will drain you. • Look to say yes to the activities and people who will fill your cup. • Realise that in saying no you are looking to answer yes to something even bigger and more important. Say ‘no’ to feel empowered, and say ‘yes’ to what is really important. Don’t try to chase down every opportunity that may present itself. Instead, let’s let some of those rabbits get away.
Lord Thomas was called to the bar in 1969 and after a long and distinguished career became Chief Justice of England and Wales between 2013 and 2017.  In this interview we talk about his early career and what led him to that role and what he is involved in today and what it is like being a peer in the House of Lords.  We also talk about the place of the Judiciary and role of the Judge.  He was the New Zealand Law Foundation’s 2019 Distinguished Visiting Fellow and visited New Zealand in September 2019 where he spoke at the Canterbury University Law School. In this interview we talk about a variety of topics including constitutional reform, being somewhere where something happens, having a young family and a busy career, changes to the practise of law since he began working, being in Chicago in the late 1960s, what it is like to be a Judge, digitising of the Courts and being involved in Constitutional changes, the role of law schools of the future, as well as joining the House of Lords. Seeds is all about hearing diverse and varying perspectives and life journeys, which is why this interview fits so well with others even if they cover the life story of a Nun, someone who has been trafficked or someone who is 6 years old.  There are many dozens of interviews in the back catalogue now at  A very big thanks to The Law Foundation as well as Canterbury University Law School for arranging this interview (in particular, Stephen Todd, Ursula Cheer, Elizabeth Toomey and Julie Scott). Full Bio: Information about the trip: From The Law Foundation description: "Lord Thomas read law at Trinity Hall, Cambridge and the University of Chicago Law School and was called to the bar by Gray’s Inn. He practiced at the Commercial Bar in London from 1972 to 1996, becoming a QC in 1984. He was appointed to the High Court of England and Wales in 1996. He was successively a Presiding Judge in Wales, Judge in Charge of the Commercial Court, the Senior Presiding Judge for England and Wales, a Lord Justice of Appeal, President of the Queen’s Bench Division and Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales (2013 - 2017). He was a founder of the European Network of Councils for the Judiciary and its President from 2008-2010. He is currently Chairman of the Commission on Justice in Wales, Chairman of the London Financial Markets Law Committee and President of the Qatar International Court and Dispute Resolution Centre. He also sits in the House of Lords. He has returned to Essex Court Chambers where he practices as an arbitrator. He is Chancellor of the Aberystwyth University and is an honorary fellow of several universities. He is a founder member of the European Law Institute and is currently a member of its Executive Committee."  
Mahsa is an expert in Artificial Intelligence working as a senior lecturer at AUT.  In this interview we talk about her background and childhood in Iran and what first got her interested in computers (at age 7) as well as machine translation and AI.  We also discuss how she ended up in New Zealand (by chance), what her first impressions were, why she founded She# as a networking platform for women in tech to connect professionals with high school and tertiary students.  We also discuss what it would take to encourage more diversity in tech and the plans for the future (anyone want to help She# expand outside of Auckland?).  I really enjoyed this interview and the diverse topics we were able to cover.  If you enjoy this you might like some of the other interviews in the back catalogue. We also discuss this Benjamin Franklin quote: "Tell me and I forget, Teach me and I remember, Involve me and I learn" From She# Facebook page: "We aim to encourage women in Computer science, computer engineering, IT, and tech-related fields to develop academically and professionally, to network and learn with each other and to foster the advancement of women in high-school, university and industry." She Sharp: Facebook: AUT page: About Anita Borg: About Margaret Hamilton (Apollo missions software engineer): Future of Learning Conference: A big thanks to the team who organised the conference as it allowed us to sit down with him, in particular Louisa as well as:   Hamish Duff from Recalibrate: Cheryl Doig (a former Seeds Guest) from Think Beyond: Cheryl's earlier interview on seeds:    
Comments (3)

Dorje Mckinnon

Thanks for helping remind me what it was like to be 11. Basketball story is great!

Sep 9th
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Jonathan Lee

A few weeks ago, I sat down with Steven and had a solid, fun, recorded conversation on purpose and life. Steven recently published a legal handbook on social enterprises in New Zealand and has been doing interviews with entrepreneurs and social enterprises about their journeys on this podcast. Through mutual friends and overlapping circles we got connected quite quickly. I feel honored to have been invited to be on the podcast. The growing list of humans and their truly impressive set of accomplishments and contributions to earth and society are humbling. Steven masterfully guided the conversation from my childhood to teenager years as an immigrant, as he waives into it his own story and aspirations, and we move into my university days and during that the exposure to the greater world, its beauty, its problems, my craft, and my finding of sometimes-often bumpy pathways that have taken me where I am currently. I told him it has been years since anyone has dug that deep to my past-history and the aspirations that have been part of my constant evolution, and it was truly an enlightening articulation/process for myself as well. After our interview/conversation, I have listened to several podcasts with other interviewees and have enjoyed their stories, lessons, and journeys. I am looking forward to soaking up some more! I can definitely recommend this podcast and hope that there is great value for you too.

Jan 23rd
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