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Why I'll Never Make It - An Actor's Journey

Author: Patrick Oliver Jones

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Weekly conversations and insights on the fine line between setback and success in the performing arts. Fellow creatives share their own journey as artists and the lessons learned along the way with host Patrick Oliver Jones, an actor who knows first-hand the ups and downs we all face.
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The church plays and school musicals of Carrie's childhood eventually gave way to on-camera acting and her desire to become a "black girl James Bond." So she was introduced to stunt work and martial arts classes, giving her a whole new set of skills that she also created careers of themselves. That's when she also discovered WeAudition and it online video community for actors. Sign up for the WINMI newsletter and get 25% off a WeAudition membership.  We also talk about her travels abroad and the interesting stereotypes and fetishes she had to confront in other countries as well as America.  Learn more about CB Seed - https://www.cbseed.org/ Follow Carrie - Website / Instagram / Twitter / IMDB ————— Season 5 offers plenty of ways to connect with me and the guests as well as opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 25 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.  
Carrie Bernans is the perfect person to kick off Women's History Month. She is a strong individual who knows who she is, what she wants, and usually how to get there. That’s not to say it’s been all smooth sailing for her, either personally or professionally, but she never lost her faith or belief in what’s possible. She isn’t just an actress, she’s also trained in martial arts, stunt work, and body movement in addition to theater. Growing up she not only performed in plays and dance recitals but also competed in track and field. She’s been a world traveler and now speaks six different languages. There is simply no way to pigeonhole Carrie into this box or that genre. And it is this variety in her life and her work that has created so much opportunity for her, particularly landing roles in Black Panther and Avengers: Endgame. Sign up for the WINMI newsletter and get 25% off a WeAudition membership.  Learn more about CB Seed - https://www.cbseed.org/ Follow Carrie - Website / Instagram / Twitter / IMDB ————— Season 5 offers plenty of ways to connect with me and the guests as well as opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 25 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and John Bartmann is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.  
In part two of my conversation with Brie Eley, she talked about her latest project that has been such a mountaintop experience for her and we get into her organization that promotes and supports black actresses, providing them with opportunity and community but also showcasing the vast diversity among these black actresses. Topics discussed: The High Republic - a new digital series from STAR WARS Pew Research - social media and Black Americans Nielsen Company - 2019 Diverse Intelligence Series report on African Americans Any actresses interested in learning more about Here and Ready and how to build a profile, head to the Actor Portal: Here and Ready Talent Database for Black Actresses  Get the WINMI Newsletter - join.whyillnevermakeit.com Follow Brie - Website / Instagram / Twitter / IMDB ————— Season 5 offers new ways to connect with me and the guests as well as new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 25 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Borrtex is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.  
When it comes to being an artist, Brie Eley is the very definition of a multi-hyphenate. She is a classically trained actress and improviser, spent more than 10 years in marketing and small business development, and she creates, produces, and directs independent productions. As Black History Month comes to a close, Brie joins me to talk about the wide variety of projects in her career, the daily grind of being an actor, and the persistence that we all need to keep going. Because no matter how busy we get or how many projects we may take on, finding real success can still be tough and elusive. Rules for Using Social Media - Jeremy Gordon, casting director Get the WINMI Newsletter - join.whyillnevermakeit.com Follow Brie - Website / Instagram / Twitter / IMDB / Here & Ready ————— Season 5 offers new ways to connect with me and the guests as well as new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 25 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions, and Chad Crouch is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.  
One of the hardest lessons for any actor to learn is to not take constant rejection personally. Adrienne Walker and I continue in part two of our conversation with stories from our own struggles and failures in the audition room and on stage. We also get into her YouTube Series called 32 Bar Cut as she seeks to help others navigate this tricky business. But first, I did a little deeper into something she said about bringing her blackness into the audition room and try to gain a better understanding of what that means to her.  join.whyillnevermakeit.com  Follow Adrienne: Website / Instagram / Twitter / IMDB  ————— Season 5 offers new ways to connect with me and the guests as well as new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist:  Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot    Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License. John Bartmann music is public domain.
While the goal of every actor is to perform, our day-to-day job is actually auditioning. As we continue Black History Month here on the podcast, Adrienne Walker from The Lion King on Broadway joins me for a very open and candid conversation about being in such an iconic show. We also touch on some very important issues: auditioning as a black actress and the need for authentic black voices in theater. But we start off talking about The Lion King, when it and Broadway are coming back, the show’s history both culturally and theatrically, and the pressures she faced in taking on the role of Nala. join.whyillnevermakeit.com Follow Adrienne: Website / Instagram / Twitter / IMDB ————— Season 5 brings new ways to connect with me and the guests as well as new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot    Music used in the episode by John Bartmann and is Public Domain.
In the second half of our conversation, Erin Cherry focuses on her weekly show Sundays with a Cherry on Top, a health and lifestyle show that showcases Black Culture in all its forms. She also joined playwright Mfoniso Udofia, Ngozi Anyanwu, and Chinyere Anyanwu as a founder producer of NOW Africa. This playwrights festival seeks to introduce, and sometimes reintroduce, artists and academics to the masters of African Dramatic Literature, both classic and contemporary. Thank you for joining me and Cherry for these episodes. Stay tuned next week for my conversation with Adrienne Walker from The Lion King. join.whyillnevermakeit.com Follow Cherry: Website / Instagram / YouTube ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.  
For almost a year now Actors have had very little in the way of exercising and using our creative muscles, so in this episode I wanted to remind us of the craft and joy of acting. As Black History Month continues here on the podcast, who better to discuss the ins and outs of acting with than Emmy-winning actress Erin Cherry. join.whyillnevermakeit.com Cherry, as she prefers to be called, coaches and teaches actors at Maggie Flanagan Studio in New York City. It’s a Meisner based acting program, which basically aims to help actors get out of their head and behave instinctively to the surrounding environment. Well, Cherry put her training and coaching to good use in the Amazon Prime show After Forever. In 2019 she received her first Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Digital Daytime Drama Series.  In part one of our conversation, Cherry talks about her first love, theater, and the amazing experience she had sharing the stage with Andre DeShields. She talks about making that transition from the stage to the screen and how us actors can handle the consistent self doubt and rejection we face.  Follow Cherry: Website / Instagram / Twitter  ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Borrtex is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License. And John Bartman's music is Public Domain.
The life of any actor is one of going in and out of employment. But for Geoffrey Owens back in 2018, his side job was captured in a photo and spread across the Internet. In part two of our conversation for Black History Month, Geoffrey opens up about what led to his job at Trader Joe’s. We talk about the importance of work and how hard it can be for Actors to find it. join.whyillnevermakeit.com Follow Geoffrey: Website / Instagram / IMDB ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Bortexx is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.  
Throughout his career Geoffrey Owens has been an actor, director, and teacher. But for more than 35 years he has been known as Elvin from The Cosby Show. As we kick off Black History Month here on the podcast I sat down with Geoffrey to talk about his own history as an actor, the lucky breaks that have come his way as well as the hardships he’s faced, the photo that surfaced in 2018 of him working at Trader Joe’s, and what it means to be so singularly identified with one show. join.whyillnevermakeit.com Links and References: Huxtable family watches "I Have a Dream" • Carsey/Werner Production • Alvin Poussaint Interview • Claire sets Elvin straight  Follow Geoffrey: Website / Instagram / Twitter ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes on Supercast Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Instagram and Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions, Kevin MacLeod, and Chad Crouch is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.
I think it’s fair to say that artist are an emotional bunch in general. We feel things deeply and react with conviction. And that goes for the wonderful and exciting emotions but also goes for the heavy and worrisome emotions as well. In part two of my conversation with Ashley Monique Menard, she reveals the yen and yang of her confidence and her self-doubt, she compares her dating life to Broadway, and has a few choice words for perfectionism.  Join WINMI to listen to the Final Five episode: join.whyillnevermakeit.com Don't forget to check out EGCC.edu for free college course and degree programs. Thank you for joining me for part one of my conversation with Ashley. Come back next week when I talk to Cosby Show actor and theater coach Geoffrey Owens. Follow Ashley: Website / Instagram / Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes and videos Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers All this and more can be found at the website: whyillnevermakeit.com  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Borrtex is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.  
In theater or really in any performing art, we have certain genres or types of characters and stories that fit us better than others. And today’s guest Ashley Monique Menard found her niche in comedy. But often, even what we’re good at doesn’t really begin to blossom and grow until we really hone that craft and work on it. So in part one of our conversation we’ll talk a lot about that comedy, how it’s helped her find and strengthen her voice, but also how an honest assessment of her talents and limitations was key in finding the best ways for her to shine. One of those ways was going back to school to learn more about business and writing and marketing, and she’s doing it all for free. And she’ll share how you can do it for free as well: EGCC.edu Thank you for joining me for part one of my conversation with __________. Come back for part two in just a couple of days. Follow Ashley: Website / Instagram / Twitter  Join WINMI: Website / Memberships / Instagram / Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes and videos Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers All this and more can be found at the website: whyillnevermakeit.com  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Borrtex is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.
As the host of NPR‘s the big listen, Lauren Ober was basically podcasting about podcasts and through that became a bona fide podcast expert. Maybe you’ve thought of starting your own podcast. In part two of our conversation, she takes us through her production process on Spectacular Failures and what it takes to make a great podcast.  Join WINMI: Website / Memberships / Newsletter Thank you for joining me for part two of my conversation with Lauren Ober. Come back next week for for my discussion with actress and comedian Ashley Monique Menard. Follow Lauren: Website / Instagram / Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes and videos Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers All this and more can be found at the newly updated website: whyillnevermakeit.com  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Borrtex is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.  
Here on Why I’ll Never Make It, we focus on the challenges and setbacks that artists face, but there is one podcast out there focusing on the Spectacular Failures of companies and organizations. Lauren Ober is the host and producer of that podcast and is also a journalist, a noted speaker, and voice coach. In part one of our conversation She and I discuss some of the parallels between being onstage and behind a mic, but we focus mainly on the rise and fall the big Broadway production company Livent. Listen to "The Curtain Falls on a Big Broadway Company" on Spectacular Failures. Thank you for joining me for part one of my conversation with Lauren Ober. Come back for part two in just a couple of days. Follow Lauren: Website / Instagram / Twitter  Join WINMI: Website / Memberships / Instagram / Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  ————— Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes and videos Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers All this and more can be found at the newly updated website: whyillnevermakeit.com  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Borrtex is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.
Welcome back to part two of my conversation with Justin Guarini! He’s already shared pivotal moments from his childhood and given us a cautionary tale of his college experience. So we pick up with his decision to stick with American Idol instead of making his Broadway debut with The Lion King.  Get Justin's book Audition Secrets and learn his tips and secrets to auditioning.  Topics discussed in this episode: Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown  Julie Andrews and her vocal surgery  Justin in Wicked  Follow Justin: Website / Instagram / Twitter Join WINMI: Website / Memberships / Instagram / Twitter  —————  Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes and videos Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  Music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Borrtex is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.
Happy New Year to you! And welcome to the premiere episode of Season Five. Today’s guest is Justin Guarini, who you probably know from American Idol but has done so much more and has a lot to teach us about becoming an artist, finding our own path, and realizing that fame isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Get Justin's book Audition Secrets or possibly win a signed copy of this book by becoming a member of WINMI as a Maker, Producer, or Artist. Sign up for one of these memberships by January 31, 2021, and one lucky winner will get Justin’s tips and secrets to auditioning.    Follow Justin: Website / Instagram / Twitter Join WINMI: Website / Supercast / Instagram / Twitter  Why I’ll Never Make It is a Top 20 Theater Podcast on Feedspot  ---------- Season 5 brings with it a new ways connect with me and the guests and new opportunities to learn and grow as an artist: Members-Only Episodes and videos Coachings and Consultations Ask questions to upcoming guests Monthly WINMI Newsletter Artist Resources and Offers All this and more can be found at the newly updated website: whyillnevermakeit.com  Thank you for joining me for part one of my conversation with Justin Guarini. Come back for part two in just a couple of days. All music used in the episode by Blue Dot Sessions and Borrtex is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International License.
Season Five Preview

Season Five Preview

2021-01-1302:45

Well, we somehow made it through 2020 and have arrived at Season Five of Why I’ll Never Make It. Covid may still be here and theaters are still shut down, but this podcast keeps rolling with great new guests and content coming your way. Here on the WINMI podcast you’ll learn how artists and creatives handle the setbacks and challenges that come with a career in the performing arts. Interviews and conversation are hosted by host Patrick Oliver Jones, a professional actor and singer for almost 30 years and a Backstage Expert who knows first hand the ups and downs we all face.  Upcoming guests include Justin Guarini from American Idol, Geoffrey Owens from the Cosby Show, Andrienne Walker from The Lion King, and Gabrielle Ruiz from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. They’ll be joined by podcasters, producers, filmmakers, composers, and even a Jeopardy champion. One of the added perks this season is a way for you to ask these guests questions and have them included in those episodes. But the best add-on feature this season are all the members-only episodes that will be released each week in addition to the regular episodes on Wednesdays and Fridays. There are three levels of membership: the Makers, the Producers, and the Artists. And each of them come with bonus content like the Final Five, Audition Stories, or other special episodes. But the Artist membership is unique in that it also includes one-on-one coachings and consultations with me, giving you more ways to learn and grow as an artist with special advice and insights just for you.  For more information on the podcast itself and everything mentioned here go to whyillnevermakeit.com. There you can also sign up for the monthly newsletter which will provide ongoing information and updates throughout the season on guests and bonus content. Season 5 has a lot in store and I can’t wait to get started!  
A look back at the year that was unlike anything we would’ve hoped for or imagined. Still, this podcast had its good moments and a plethora of fantastic guests. 0:28 - Introduction 1:10 - COVID update 3:31 - Broadway Makers Alliance & Helium Radio Networks 5:42 - Season Recap and Top 5 Guests 7:55 - My two favorite episodes 10:51 - Season 5 Preview with Justin Guarini 12:19 - Final Five: Sammi Cannold 34:44 - Members-Only episodes Follow WINMI: Instagram / Twitter / Website  ————— Donate to WINMI and gain access to members-only bonus episodes.  Don't forget to check out all the helpful offers available to you through WINMI guests and partners: resources.winmipodcast.com  WINMI is a Top 20 Theater Podcast thanks to you!  blog.feedspot.com/theatre_podcasts/  
Merry Christmas! :) In honor of the recent release of THE PROM movie on Netflix, here is a special combo episode of my conversations with star of the Broadway production, Caitlin Kinnunen (starts at 1:58), and one of the co-producers, Abigail Rose Solomon (starts at 35:18). Also, this holiday season don't miss the 12 Days of Auditions, available at donate.winmipodcast.com. Become a WINMI Producer and listen to former guests share their most memorable audition stories. Listen to Caitlin's full second season episode and audition story here. And Abigail's full conversation and Final Five from season four is here. ————— Don't forget to check out all the helpful offers available to you through WINMI guests and partners: resources.winmipodcast.com  WINMI is a Top 20 Theater Podcast thanks to you!  blog.feedspot.com/theatre_podcasts There's also another way to listen to this podcast: https://vurbl.com/station/6Wr76KvsqOG  
Today’s episode is part two of my conversation with the final guest of Season 4. Sammi Cannold is a remarkable artist and director. She was even named to the 2019 Forbes List of 30 under 30 in entertainment for her innovative and unique approach to directing for the stage. And today’s conversation is going to be focusing on a few of those productions... her remarkable staging of the musical Violet on an actual bus her 2019 New York City Center Gala production of Evita I have my own personal connection to Evita having done the national tour of the latest Broadway revival. Even our music supervisor Kristen Blodgette worked with Sammi in her production. In fact, It was that revival production that inspired Sammi to become a director in the first place. Follow Sammi: Website / Instagram / Twitter  Follow WINMI: Instagram / Twitter / Website  ————— Donate to WINMI and gain access to members-only bonus episodes: pod.fan/winmipodcast  Don't forget to check out all the helpful offers available to you through WINMI guests and partners: resources.winmipodcast.com  WINMI is a Top 20 Theater Podcast thanks to you!  blog.feedspot.com/theatre_podcasts/    
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