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In this episode we discuss the process of recruiting, identifying culture fit and managing trust with a remote workforce and how these components impact the security profile of a company. The discussion begins with identifying an appropriate recruiting process for a remote workforce and measuring the appropriate candidates to hire in a remote workforce scenario. We also dive into how this remote work environment has opened up a potentially broader skillset that previously may not have been available for open opportunities. Lucinda defines for us Trust in the Workforce: Capability, Reliability, Intent and answers the question of which of these three criteria is coachable.Malcolm discusses the security implications and and how these things have not changed a whole lot while determining where specific controls may have failed and the importance of continually managing expectations for security and applying awareness while reinforcing training. Further the discussion dovetails into how effective security performance management provides the transparency of these controls. Guests:Lucinda DuToit, VP of Human Resources, DigineerHosts:Malcolm Harkins, Chief Security and Trust Officer, CymaticChad Boeckmann, Founder/CEO, TrustMAPPSponsor: TrustMAPP (
In this episode we invite special guests Drew Spaniel, Lead Researcher, Institute for Critical Infrastructure Technology (, James Russell, Worldwide Group Leader, Wireless Connectivity Specialists and IoT Security Team, Microchip Technology ( and Paul Phillips, Principal Embedded Solution Engineer, Microchip Technology. We also hear from privacy expert Kirk Nahra, Partner and Co-Chair of Privacy and Cybersecurity Practice at WilmerHale. This second episode in a multi-part series is packed full of information and trends related to IoT cybersecurity regulation and emerging practices. We hear from experts on the Europe and UK regulations as well as garner perspective from Kirk Nahra who lends insight from a legal and privacy standpoint on consumer best practices for IoT cybersecurity regulation. Topics covered include:Emerging regulatory requirements for IoT cybersecurity in United KingdomRelevant guidance from NIST in the U.S.Impact of IoT cybersecurity regulatory requirements for both manufacturers and retailersHow companies can integrate IoT cybersecurity in the real worldFuture looking trends and considerationsGuests:Drew Spaniel, Lead Researcher, Institute for Critical Infrastructure TechnologyJames Russell, Worldwide Group Leader, Wireless Connectivity Specialists and IoT Security Team, Microchip TechnologyPaul Phillips, Principal Embedded Solution Engineer, Microchip TechnologySpecial Commentary by:Kirk Nahra, Partner and Co-Chair of Privacy and Cybersecurity Practice at WilmerHale. Hosts:Malcolm Harkins, Chief Security and Trust Officer, Cymatic( Boeckmann, Founder/CEO, TrustMAPP( TrustMAPP (
In this episode we invite special guests Drew Spaniel, Lead Researcher, Institute for Critical Infrastructure Technology ( and James Russell, Worldwide Group Leader, Wireless Connectivity Specialists and IoT Security Team, Microchip Technology ( In this episode we dive into the unique aspects of IoT Security and how the culture of security is so critical across engineering teams who previously designed and built systems that were not connected to internet services. With a new shift and massive influx in IoT devices, specifically concentrated in the industrial IoT market, understanding the culture of security - specifically IoT security is more important now than ever. This episode covers:Where to begin to start measuring IoT SecurityQuantifying Impact on business with regard to IoT cyber hygieneIoT Rise of DisruptionCommitment versus ComplianceBridging intracompany communication breakdownsGuests:Drew Spaniel, Lead Researcher, Institute for Critical Infrastructure TechnologyJames Russell, Worldwide Group Leader, Wireless Connectivity Specialists and IoT Security Team, Microchip TechnologyHosts:Malcolm Harkins, Chief Security and Trust Officer, Cymatic ( Boeckmann, Founder/CEO, TrustMAPP ( TrustMAPP (
On this episode of the podcast Benny Lakunishok, Co-Founder of Zero Networks, join Malcolm Harkins and Chad Boeckmann to explore the industry's continuous adoption and adaption of prevention -> detection -> prevention technologies. The group dives into the maturity of machine learning and where the industry is overall as well as how adoption of new technologies is imperative to maintain adequate risk posture over time while serving the best interests of business.Guest: Benny Lakunishok, Zero Networks (LinkedIn)Hosts:Malcolm Harkins, Chief Security and Trust Officer, Cymatic ( Boeckmann, Founder/CEO, TrustMAPP (
In this episode, Malcolm Harkins and Chad Boeckmann speak with John Brennan, Partner at YL Ventures. This episode provides a perspective of how venture capital firms are reacting to and supporting their cybersecurity portfolio companies during an unprecedented pandemic in our modern time. In this episode we discuss trends of security teams and John discusses advice their firm is providing to other cybersecurity startups. Further in the discussion Malcolm and John discuss the context of business risk with regard to pandemic response and how this type of risk can take different forms but also shape varying perspectives. The is the first time our podcast has gained perspective directly from a venture capital firm and the episode is information packed with guidance for both the buyers and vendors in managing the business of security. Guest: John Brennan, YL Ventures ( Harkins, Chief Security and Trust Officer, Cymatic ( Boeckmann, Founder/CEO, TrustMAPP (
Overloaded Security Leader? In this episode Michael Lines joins Chad Boeckmann and Malcolm Harkins in a discussion about tactically prioritizing security efforts and what it means to get real traction. This episode explores supplier risk versus third-party risk and how this relates to overall business objectives and outcomes. Further discussion evolves into the problematic challenge of a new CISO where results must be achieved now and how to set-up a "trading" system internally to curtail budget and achieve progress without unnecessary investments in more tools that can at times cause more complications than benefit. In summary this episode explores how to overcome the overloaded mindset as a security leader. Listen now!Guest: Michael Lines, CISO ( Malcolm Harkins, Chief Security and Trust Officer, CymaticChad Boeckmann, CEO TrustMAPP (d.b.a Secure Digital Solutions)Sponsored by TrustMAPP (
In this episode co-hosts Malcolm Harkins, Security and Trust Officer at Cymatic and Chad Boeckmann, CEO at TrustMAPP, speak with Jason Lish, Privacy, and Data Officer at Advisor Group about mentoring the next security leader and creating a back up for existing cyber security leadership. The discussion evolves into skill types, as well as organization maturity and fitting the right leader profile with the appropriate security program stage a company may be currently managing. Both Jason and Malcolm leave our listeners with wisdom and guidance to consider on the topic of "Build or Buy" the next security leader.Jason Lish: Harkins: Boeckmann: to you by our Sponsor: TrustMAPP
The podcast is back with fresh new content. In this episode Chad Boeckmann talks cybersecurity value, business engagement and contemplating risk versus measuring risk with Malcolm Harkins. The security team of course must align to the business but just as important the business must align with security. So how do we accomplish this? What approach is best practice?  Do you need to quantify all the risk? How do I design my control environment to meet all the demands of the business while reducing assessment and compliance fatigue? All these questions and more are answered in our discussion. LinkedIn:
In this episode Chad Boeckmann interviews Adam Stone about the new California Consumer Privacy Act of 2018 (CCPA).  The discussion leads off with the comparison of GDPR to CCPA some similarities and differences between the two. The latter half of the interview dives into a role-play of scoping a business for CCPA compliance. Adam guides our listeners through a qualification process to determine the scope and breadth of CCPA privacy compliance  based on a series of qualifying questions and describes the basis for asking these questions. LinkedIn:
Kristin Judge brings a very interesting background in counseling, teaching, public service and leadership to drive cybersecurity awareness and learning to the masses. Ron Woerner and Kristin have a conversation about the qualities of a good leader and how this can translate into driving change and awareness across the cyber security landscape. Kristin stresses the importance of having a mentor and mentee relationship no matter the level of your current role. In the second half of the podcast Kristin takes us through the development of the Cybercrime Support network and the benefits this offers to people impacted by cybercrime where traditional law enforcement may not necessarily be the appropriate avenue or have the right tools to respond to the crimes that occur through electronic interactions.LinkedIn:
Bob Zukis, CEO of Digital Directors Network and Professor at USC Marshall School of Business, took time out of his busy schedule to talk about cyber risk and board awareness with Chad Boeckmann on this episode. Bob discusses the results of a panel survey from the NACD (National Association of Corporate Directors) annual summit in Washington DC relative to cyber security and cyber risk. Bob talks about the urgency for Board's to address cyber risk as part of the regular agenda and warns if companies do not begin to take this initiate regulators will enforce action to do so. Ensuring transparency of a governing board to address cyber risk is the heart of the matter and having the necessary skills on the board to adopt and manage cyber risk at eh board level is ultimately where organizations need to focus. We continue the dialogue on trends for this adoption and the estimated timeframe for cyber risk expertise to sit on boards across all public companies. If you are a corporate director with fiduciary risk, you really should listen closely to this episode to understand how to address the cyber risk challenge at the board level.Digital Director Network (DDN): https://www.digitaldirectors.networkTwitter: Marshall Profile:
Ron Woerner connects with Joyce Brocaglia, CEO of Alta Associates and Founder of Executive Women's Forum. Joyce covers the importance of investing in one's own career and how to grow into a leadership CISO role to gain the proverbial "seat at the table" with the business. Further discussion leads to describing the importance and approach to building diverse and competitive teams in cyber security and privacy. Joyce takes us through the history of the Executive Women's Forum now on its' sixteenth year. Finally Joyce answers the question: "What do business leaders need to know and understand to build and run a cyber security program?"Executive Women's Forum: Associates:
If you have written off your local library you may be underestimating the true value it can deliver that "automatically" brings you privacy. Take a journey on this very special episode to uncover the treasures The New York Public Library holds and also specific privacy rules around the use of any library's resources. Bill Marden is our guest and he also is an excellent tour guide providing specific details of how The New York Public Library is an institution consisting of research, museum-quality artifacts and multi-media resources. Bill covers case law around privacy of library resources as well as the history itself of The New York Public Library. This is the most cultured episode of the season!
Information security poverty line - Ron and George discuss the segment of teams who can succeed and those are are handicapped. Diving deeper George uncovers his current project for a book he is writing titled "9 Habits to Be Cyber Secure". Ron inquires with George about cultivating good habits for a community of professionals. As an industry we tend to focus on the technology and typically pay less attention to people and process. Looking at different aspects of improving cyber security such as psychology and neuroscience to improve behaviors of the community. Growing people into the habits gradually over time to improve the overall cyber security posture for both organizations and individuals.  
Are you ready? This is an action packed, information filled episode with Allan Alford the CISO for Mitel. Allan covers 4 key points to achieve GDPR "alignment" and takes us through the journey of accomplishing these four key phases as a CISO. Towards the latter half of the episode we dive into evolution of relationship between privacy and security while looking into the future role of the CISO. Don't miss this one!Allan is on LinkedIn:
Chris Hadnagy joins Ron Woerner on this season 2 episode 6 titled Hacking the Human. A master of social engineering, Chris starts the episode with real-world scenarios that interesting and entertaining based on real-life social engineering exercises he has conducted. Further in the episode Chris shares valuable insight into understanding people and the value of becoming an active listener - specifically as a leader. Ron dives into the inevitable of being phished with Chris providing insights on responding to phishing attacks and improving protection in the future. Linkedin: @SocEngineerIncWeb:
Ben Rothke joins Ron Woerner on this episode to discuss Ben's experience that lead to his book titled Computer Security: 20 Things Every Employee Should Know (McGraw-Hill). Ben addresses the question "what has changed in 20 years" and also reviews some best practices that are very relevant today. Focusing security on the data is where the conversation should start and build out cybersecurity capabilities from there. As cybersecurity is no longer an option, it is a cost of doing business, this episode speaks to the necessity and potential trade off of investing in cyber security. Ben follows up with the top skills a person should have to be a great cyber security practitioner.Ben Rothke's website: http://www.rothke.comAuthor of: Computer Security: 20 Things Every Employee Should KnowTwitter: @benrothke
Adam Shostack is the author of the book titled Threat Modeling: Designing for Security (Wiley, 2014). He also is a co-author of The New School of Information Security (Addison-Wesley, 2008). Adam is a veteran in the cyber security industry having spent over eight years with Microsoft where he focused on threat model tools and techniques. In this episode Ron and Adam discuss the ROI of threat modeling as well as address the fear security practitioners sometimes have with the agile development process. Adam leaves us with his top three items business leaders must know! Don't miss it. Reach Adam on Twitter:@adamshostack Threat Modeling Book:
What is DevSlop you ask? Tanya Janca take us through the landscape of DevSecOps (application security in a DevOps environment) and compares this to more traditional approaches to security and application development lifecycles. Tanya addresses the requirements for a success lifecycle process no matter the model and takes us through how to be successful with application security design principals. Tanya and Ron discuss training resources as well. Follow Tanya on Twitter at:
Robert Baldi joins Ron Woerner on the Business of Security Podcast Series for a discussion about Cyber Security Audit and using the audit capability as a way to leverage change and enhance overall security performance. Robert joined Equifax in 2018, in the wake of the massive 2017 data breach there.Robert discusses using a mathematical formula for risk and translating this back into the investments for a Board discussion. Collaboration between security, audit and risk teams is key to success of all three parties. 
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