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Gwyneth Paltrow and goop's Chief Content Officer Elise Loehnen chat with leading thinkers, culture changers, and industry disruptors—from doctors to creatives, CEOs to spiritual healers—about shifting old paradigms and starting new conversations.

211 Episodes
Functional medicine psychiatrist Jeffrey Becker, MD, takes an uncommon approach to depression, anxiety, and mental health. Becker, who is also a cofounder of Bexson Biomedical, examines the genome, the gut, and micronutrient levels before prescribing drugs to a patient. He was an early advocate of ketamine-assisted psychotherapy for treating depression. “We are absolutely the nexus of body, mind, and spirit,” says Becker. Today, he talks about the chemical, biological, emotional, and spiritual components of mental health. And he gets into a deeper conversation with host Elise Loehnen about consciousness. “There’s a lot of programming that has reduced our consciousness to a level that allows us to survive,” Becker says. When we honor the layers of our existence, he believes we can remove some of the limits we often struggle with in everyday life. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
Ending the War on Self

Ending the War on Self


“The cause of all suffering is what we’re thinking and believing,” says Byron Katie. Katie is a legendary spiritual teacher, the author of Loving What Is, and the creator of a self-inquiry method that she calls “the Work.” Today, Katie guides Elise Loehnen through the Work in her life. The process involves asking four basic questions that can turn a negative belief on its head. Katie reminds us that emotions are emotions—not enemies. She invites us to do deeper within and ask ourselves this question: Who would we be without our stories? (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“It’s not really science,” says David Michaels, PhD. “It’s public relations disguised as science.” Today, the epidemiologist and author of The Triumph of Doubt explains how frequently science is manipulated across industries—from tobacco to personal-care products to football. During his tenure as the assistant secretary of labor at the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, Michaels uncovered shocking truths about the way major industries distort scientific studies and withhold information at the expense of consumer safety. To resolve this, Michaels believes we need to restructure the way research is conducted and how we consume it. He offers a few key solutions for creating change at the consumer level and beyond (like voting, banning attorney-funded studies, and consulting unbiased scientists to analyze data). Ultimately, this is work that will protect the integrity of science and keep us all safe. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“Our votes with our fork, our votes with our wallet, make a difference,” says Mark Hyman, MD. He sat down with GP to talk about his latest book, Food Fix, and what led him on his own personal path into functional medicine. As a physician, Hyman looks for the root causes of chronic health issues—and the factors that contribute to optimal health. He says a lot of it boils down to food and our agriculture system. Hyman explains that disease is correlated with the way food is produced in our country (and around the world). The future, as he outlines it, is more hopeful than you might think, though: Big food companies are realizing they need to make changes. Farmers are being supported to increase regenerative agriculture and increase water conservation. And there’s a lot we can do now, today, on a personal level—and some of it is simple. “Just eat real food,” says Hyman. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“We think about loneliness as a stereotype of the person sitting alone in a corner at a party,” says former surgeon general of the United States Vivek Murthy, MD. “But loneliness doesn’t usually look like that.” The author of Together joins host Elise Loehnen to explain the downward spiral of loneliness: When we don’t feel comfortable showing up as who we are, we tend to try to be somebody we’re not. And when we become focused on seeking validation from others, we feel even more isolated. Today, Murthy shares strategies for easing loneliness, building connection, embracing our vulnerability, and moving toward a people-centered life (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“We are all meant to feel alive and to feel powerful,” says Peter A. Levine, PhD. “That’s what being a human is.” The psychologist and author of Trauma and Memory joins Elise Loehnen to talk about how trauma lives in the body and how it can work its way out. We learn some of Levine’s favorite strategies for energetic movement, like skipping and chanting. He says the key to moving trauma out of the body is “bringing the energy up and then letting the energy settle.” He teaches us a sound exercise that helps move energy through the body and ease stress. Levine explains the difference between memory and traumatic memory, and how recovering—and processing—traumatic memories might help us heal. “All trauma shuts down our vital force,” says Levine. But when we begin to understand how to process our pain, we can free ourselves from shame and disembodiment—and find our way back to empowerment. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
The Culture of Busyness

The Culture of Busyness


“We’ve attached importance and status to busyness,” says Brigid Schulte. The director of the Better Life Lab at New America and the New York Times–bestselling author of Overwhelmed joins Elise Loehnen to dispel the busyness myth. She also breaks down the varied ways our home and work systems make it particularly difficult for women to just get to the end of the day. She suggests solutions for changing this structure and easing the enormous pressures many women feel around balancing career, childcare, and running a household. They also talk about gender roles at the office and in parenting (and how we can encourage men to take on different roles as fathers). And Schulte shares some of her strategies for building a better work-life balance. One of her tips: Start asking yourself what one thing you need to get done each day to feel less overwhelmed and still accomplished. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
Today, Daniel Pink teaches us how crack the code of “perfect timing.” The New York Times–bestselling author of When and Drive explains that much of our lives is episodic: We tend to think of projects, days, and life events in reference to beginning, middle, and end. And Pink explains that our brain and our mood function differently over the course of the day. Becoming aware of these patterns allows us to hack productivity. Pink shares fascinating studies about the best time of day to make a critical decision and when not to have a medical procedure—and also why the “nappuccino” (drinking a coffee before a fifteen-minute nap) might be the best secret he knows. We also learn about why kids benefit from slightly later school start times and why taking breaks is essential for higher performance for everyone. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“You’re desperate to find causality even where there is none,” says Kate Bowler. She’s a historian at Duke Divinity School and the author of a memoir called Everything Happens for a Reason: And Other Lies I’ve Loved. And she makes us laugh, even when she’s talking about death, dying, and grief. In this episode, Bowler tells Elise Loehnen about what happened after she was diagnosed with stage four colon cancer in her mid-thirties. She shares the moments she stopped feeling like a person, the pressure she felt to be “the best” cancer patient, to find explanations, to treat everything as a lesson that she needed to learn. She talks about how her beliefs eventually shifted. And how, perhaps the biggest lesson is that it’s not always on us to figure it all out. “I was never a problem to be solved,” says Bowler. “I was just a person to be loved.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
GP got on a video call with Peter Attia, MD, data-focused physician, longevity specialist, and host of The Peter Attia Drive podcast. She asked Attia about the research and science evolving around the COVID-19 pandemic and what’s known (and not) about how viruses function—and how our bodies respond to them. Attia provides helpful updates on antibody testing, along with his thoughts on what might come next. He also speaks more broadly about health span and the factors that support our immune function; sleep, unsurprisingly, is perhaps the most important, he says. And Attia shares the toolbox he uses to manage stress: mindfulness meditation, journaling, and steady-state aerobic exercise. Attia believes that the more information you have, the better—and we felt a little more peace of mind after listening to his perspective. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
Why Less Is More

Why Less Is More


“I try to create the illusion of simplicity because life’s too complicated,” says Eileen Fisher. Today, the founder and clothing designer joins Elise Loehnen to talk about her appreciation for simplicity (which Loehnen shares). Fisher reveals that her own discomfort inspired her career—she could never understand why women were so willing to suffer to look good. Beyond creating a simplified system for style, Fisher shows us a different way to define and run a company: She doesn’t see herself as the sole leader. She thinks of her brand as more of a big collective, and the company is partially owned by its employees. But Fisher is probably most proud that her company is in the process of becoming fully sustainable—and it’s a fascinating, hopeful process for all of us to get a glimpse into. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“The best way to get respect from people is through honesty and authenticity,” says Bob Iger, executive chairman of Disney (and one of GP’s idols). In this conversation, Iger and GP go back and forth about what makes a great leader. (After serving as the CEO of Disney for the past fifteen years and writing a memoir, The Ride of a Lifetime, Iger had some interesting insights.) Iger outlines the strategies that have driven his success and the principles and questions he always comes back to. For him, leadership is about being in a constant state of learning—and not being afraid to admit what you don’t know. It also involves speaking straight—listen in to hear how Iger and GP navigate the challenges of doing so. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“Pay attention to your vulnerable feelings and lead with those,” says therapist Terry Real, who comes back on The goop Podcast to help us navigate sheltering in place with significant others. Real guides us on how to step up for our partners (and ourselves) in crisis. He dissuades us from falling back on losing strategies that make us feel disconnected and instead outlines a path toward a healthier, more pleasurable dynamic. (While reassuring us that a little “marital hatred” is still normal.) Real believes in what he calls “fierce intimacy.” It’s not always pretty but it allows us to repair our relationships and build trust—and it brings us closer together. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“It’s the fuel of fear that keeps these patterns going,” says Craig Malkin, PhD. The Harvard Medical School psychologist joins Elise Loehnen to redefine narcissism. As he outlines in his book Rethinking Narcissism, Malkin believes that being a little narcissistic may help us—there’s a spectrum: “When we have that little bit of self-enhancement, that’s what gives us the protection against adversity in the world, and even loss,” says Malkin. In his work, he’s found that survival mechanisms and even genetics can be at the root of narcissistic behavior. He explains the differences between pride, self-esteem, and arrogance—and how not to conflate their meaning. He also guides Loehnen through a small but powerful breakthrough with her own fear-driven mechanisms. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
Host Elise Loehnen sits down with Pulitzer Prize–winning authors Nicholas Kristof and Sheryl WuDunn to talk about their new book, Tightrope: Americans Reaching for Hope. It’s a story about our country that begins in rural Yamhill, Oregon—where Kristof grew up—and moves to the Dakotas and Oklahoma and New York and Virginia and everywhere in between. Through vivid personal reporting and the lives of real Americans, Kristof and WuDunn explore working-class America and the all ways our system has neglected and damaged these communities. They expose the mythology of personal responsibility, the tightrope that families have been forced to walk, and the devastating effect of one small slip when you have no safety net. They remind us that no community is “other,” and they show us that even issues as large and complex as addiction, homelessness, and incarceration are not unsolvable. We have the toolboxes; now we need the will. “There’s obviously no silver bullet,” says Kristof. “But we know how to make a big difference.” (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“This is not outside us,” says Terry Tempest Williams. “This is alongside us.” Today, the conservationist, activist, and award-winning author offers a spiritual perspective on this planetary change, as she calls it. She shares moving stories from her newest book, Erosions, that show how our undoing may be our becoming. She urges us to redefine what we deem essential. To ask ourselves if we could accept that this is a part of us—not just happening to us. Could we allow ourselves to find refuge in change? And: How will we live when we come out the other side? We are being asked to walk bravely into the unknown—and Tempest Williams assures us that we can refuse to live in fear. “We have no idea of the collective power that we hold together,” she says. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
What Do We Need to Heal?

What Do We Need to Heal?


“Healing is always a surprise,” says Bill Bengston, PhD. Bengston, a sociology professor and researcher, sat down with host Elise Loehnen to talk about his wild, fascinating, unconventional research. A reformed skeptic, Bengston set out to disprove the effect of hands-on healing, only to be proven wrong himself. (“Don’t spend all your time defending beliefs,” says Bengston. “The world is more interesting than that.”) Throughout his career, Bengston has studied healing techniques on mice with cancer—and tried to make sense of what his findings could mean for the future of healing more broadly. In this conversation, Bengston also shares his rapid image cycling technique. For reasons he doesn’t completely understand—Bengston is hilariously clear about just how much he doesn’t know—he says this technique seems to enhance healing. It involves making a list of twenty things we want, and very quickly cycling through them in our minds. Another suggestion from Bengston: When we put our ego aside, we may find that the answers we are looking for are more simple than we think. (P.S. As always, check with your doctor before beginning any healing process.) (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“There’s no secret sauce to parenting that parents need to know that kids shouldn’t be let in on,” says pediatrician Cara Natterson, MD. After GP read Natterson’s newest book, Decoding Boys, they sat down to talk about different ways to approach difficult and awkward conversations with our children—about, say, puberty. Natterson explains why puberty is occurring earlier and earlier in boys and girls and why it’s generally more common and easier for girls to talk about what they experience during puberty. She breaks down the chemistry of the limbic system to help us understand boys’ decision-making processes. She suggests ways that we can all address body image insecurities and social pressure. And: what to do if your son might be a late bloomer, how to talk about porn, how to empower our boys with healthy definitions of masculinity. These conversations are always going to feel uncomfortable for everyone, especially at first. But the most helpful thing we can do, says Natterson, is communicate directly, clearly—and repeatedly. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
“What I know is that we’ve always recovered,” says Sallie Krawcheck, CEO and cofounder of Ellevest. The Wall Street legend and personal finance expert returns to The goop Podcast to demystify what’s happening right now in the fluctuating market and explain why she foresees it rebounding and what we can do in the meantime for our financial health. She suggests different ways to think about money during this crisis, whether you’re considering making an investment or trying to navigate some of the economic relief policies being set by the government. “We’ve been socialized as women that we’re not good with money,” says Krawcheck. But today, she’s helping us move away from this stigma, unlearn our scarcity mentality, and make empowered choices around the way we invest. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
The IQ Debate

The IQ Debate


“It’s really important to draw attention to not only the physical but also the mental consequences of a rampant environmental poisoning,” says medical ethicist Harriet A. Washington. In her book A Terrible Thing to Waste, Washington outlines the staggering, extensive impact of environmental racism. She examines how marginalized communities—and particularly the infants and children in these communities—are disproportionately affected by lead poisoning, atmospheric pollution, infectious disease, and industrial waste. In this conversation, she also takes on the IQ debate and the flawed science behind it. IQ, Washington reveals, is a misused metric that has had devastating effects on our country. And now, we have a critical opportunity to remedy many of these toxic effects. (For more, see The goop Podcast hub.)
Comments (60)

Brittany Edwards

got a little lost on this one.. first goop podcast I did not follow.

May 29th

Robert Aviles

the bat shit madness going on here is insane.

May 22nd

Lori Daly

Elise, All the issues brought up in the book are not the result of Trump's presidency. Your repetitive attempts to relate everything to Trump are obvious. You should have taken the same approach to alcohol and drugs when they were mentioned as a factor in the downfall of these people. In this country we spend so much time talking about how the government can help people, yet at the same time we watch as the alcohol industry destroys lives. Maybe that's the public policy that needs to change. Stop blaming every single problem going on in this country on one human being. It's ignorant. Also, the author said it himself, a lot of the jobs went away because of globalization which is the exact opposite of what Trump's trying to do. To bring manufacturing back to this country so that we have jobs for American people. I also listen to your podcast on narcissistic behavior and in that you mentioned Trump as well. I agree that he can be a pompous ass but that does not mean he does not have the best interest of the American worker in mind.

Apr 22nd

Haley Farmer

This is the cutest podcast ever. I loved it so much ❤️❤️

Apr 9th



Apr 4th

Lori Daly

The downside to everybody adopting pets right now because they're home is what do they do with the pets when they go back to work? so I worry about in a month from now if everybody's dumping adopted pets on the street.

Apr 1st

Lori Daly

wow. And the hoops we have to go through to get mistletoe approved by the FDA so that it can be standard of care meanwhile it's a plant and it's been used in Europe for over 100 years not to mention using cannabis as medicine which I know we're making headway but the fact that it's not legal get all these toxic pharmaceuticals are and the horror that is the whole section on menopause just blew me away... it's time to go back to homeopathic alternative natural ways of living always and forever. thank you for This podcast. would like to see more on this. would love to see the end of drug ads on television oh my God what a horrible miscarriage of justice to our society.

Mar 12th

Kristin Fisher

Thank you, Gwyneth, Eckhart and everyone who made this podcast possible!! ❤❤❤

Feb 16th
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Alidra Alić

Thanks for info 🙏🏻 I was wondering if the soy mentioned is not regular soy, but soy made on fermented natto beans?

Feb 4th


Really good episode! I love how she as super honest and calling out things I don’t here from others at all 💪🏼

Feb 2nd

Tamara Lynn

Hello Gwyneth What is this stuff you & yr cronies write about?! In the REAL World most of us regular humans CAN NOT afford 1 or any of yr so~called formulas, puts, ect... Please come back down to Earth be sensible! Good Grief you say ' You are Authentic' but this so~called Goop is not. Consumers are not just about $$$

Nov 24th

D'Kota HintonLouis

Love this!!! So informative

Oct 5th

Tracey Duke

Fascinating interview but, in the context of the conversation, I was convinced all the way through that Elise's story of how she met Malcolm was indeed a wind up & a lie! Great interview!

Oct 1st

Bee Stone

Did she actually say "architected"??? So ridiculous.

Sep 14th

David Zysk

sim sum salabin

Aug 5th
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Amandla Karungi

The creation of artificial scarcity goes back many years. Before the creation of colonies in Africa, people lived in communities. Life was communal. There were no nuclear units of wealth or families in the sense that its me and my children and our money. People lived as homesteads, and clans. The concept of money, individual wealth and accumulation came with among other things, forcing our communities to grow 'cash crops' such as coffee and cotton for money while punishing those who insisted on growing 'food crops'. Therefore a whole family was forced to stop producing food and instead grow cotton which was sold to the colonial government for a few coins. After that, those coins would need to buy food and processed cotton as clothes brought back as finished goods to the continent. Yes, they were droughts, famine before colonialism and the partition of Africa but the concept of 'African poverty has not only been deeply entrenched but systematically and intentionally propagated. The term 'privileged few' is more than just a creation to sustain the first world- third world hierarchy.

Jul 4th

Stefan Wyss

Awesome🥰 helpful content

Jun 20th

Karen MacDonald Hurley-Haug

can you possible spell and list the items that were recommended for daily use. thanks so much

Jun 11th

Carls Berg

God this interviewer is so freaking boring. nnmmhmmm. WEAK

Jun 4th

Tara Celestini

this is fantastic! we need to hear more about this. it saddens me that people want to keep him a secret, why? don't you want to spread the word and help your fellow man/woman? if we did and the demand went up, there would be more people like him, wanting to learn this type of medicine, in turn making it more available, accessible to more people.

Jun 2nd
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