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Loud Murmurs is a Mandarin-Chinese podcast about American pop culture, brought to you by four bilingual and bi-cultural women in the U.S. and their friends. We discuss movies, TV, documentaries, and the social, political issues reflected on by a piece of pop culture work. Too often, race, gender and other political and cultural issues are the subtext in pop culture. We seek to make the subtext explicit, question it and challenge it. The show is now in its third season, updated biweekly. We have interviewed guests ranging from science fiction writers, comedians, to scholars and journalists. Our goal is to make the most thought-provoking Chinese podcast about American pop culture. 小声喧哗是一档以女性视角来观察和批判影视文本如何塑造世界的播客。《小声喧哗》Loud Murmurs, 是一档以女性视角来观察和批判影视文本如何塑造世界的播客。文化和审美的自觉认同从来都是隐含在创造者对世界的想象中,而这样的想象催生出许多充满偏见的创造动机。这样的创造动机渗透在我们日复一日热爱的欧美电影中,美剧里,渗透在我们对于事物的认知中。今天,我们想要去挑战它。紧跟影视热点和时事的同时,保持了双周频率的持续输出。在制作节目时,小声喧哗经常邀请学者和影评人参与我们的节目,使节目的观点更加多元化和专业。小声喧哗致力在中文世界,做最好的流行文化播客。
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With a sigh of relief, we’re proud to say that this year has finally come to an end. And what a year it has been! There are not enough words to accurately capture all that has happened this year, and as much we want to forget what this year has brought to us as both individuals and as societies, we shouldn’t. The most important thing to happen this year is the fact that it happened, and we owe it to the past, the present, and the future to remember it for what it was. In this episode, we invite our two editors, Joshua and Val, to join our four hosts and review what this year has been like for us and for Loud Murmurs, and we share some of our favorite episodes with all of you. Since its creation, Loud Murmurs gave us an opportunity to chase after the seemingly disconnected and random thoughts we’ve had after binging a TV show or watching a movie. It’s pushed us to dig deeper, challenge our biases and thinking, and do the work and research necessary to understand things we are not familiar with -- and to ultimately share it with everyone of our listeners. Thank you for being with us this past year, and thank you for accommodating us as we continue to learn and grow. Cheers to this year and the many more ahead!00: 40 Love from the hosts, editors and our listeners 23: 00  Diaodiao’s favorite episode: S3 E22 and E23 Social Dilemma 1 + 2 30: 50  Ina’s favorite episode(s):All the episodes on first-generation diaspora stories 35: 25  Joshua’s favorite episode:  S3 E12 “Becoming” by Michelle Obama40:02  Izzy’s favorite episode: S3 E15 Black Panther and the Green Book with Joshua and Esham 50: 00 Val’s favorite episode: S3 E19 Remembering RBG — Feminist fighter, role model and cultural iconFind Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Please reach out to us at loudmurmursfm@gmail.com for any business inquiries. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
In this episode, hosts Izzy, Afra and Diaodiao talk to our old friend Lin Santu and new friend, standup comedian Huey (TikTok @drhueyli), about two recent political films starring Sacha Baron Cohen.The Trial of the Chicago 7 is a dramatized reenactment of the 1969 trial of seven activists charged by the federal government with conspiracy, for their roles in organizing the counterculture protests in Chicago at the 1968 Democratic National Convention. We talk about the film’s various limitations and how it comments on and relates to the BLM protests this past summer. In the second half of the show, we dive into acerbic comedy Borat 2. The highly anticipated sequel to Borat may be best known for the infamous scene with Giuliani in the hotel room, but the breakout star is actually Borat’s 15-year old daughter Tutar. Is this the kind of commentary we need in today’s divisive political climate? We talk about these and more in this episode. 4:30 What are we talking about when we are talking about Sorkin?11:32 The history behind “The Trial of the Chicago 7”26:00 Police brutality in 1968 and 2020 40:10 “Borat Subsequent Movie Film” is ridiculously relevant and absurdly realistic47:30 We need to see more of Tutar53:00 Do we still need Borat in a post-truth world?Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Please reach out to us at loudmurmursfm@gmail.com for any business inquiries. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
The “Queen’s Gambit,” the new Netflix show about chess genius Beth Harmon, has managed to give us some joy amid this long period of listless pandemic-induced depression. Hosts Ina, Izzy and Diaodiao bring you this free-form, overly enthusiastic discussion filled with feminist (and other types of) rage where we try to get to the bottom of why this show is so damn satisfying to watch even with all its limitations. If you are expecting an intellectual, philosophical conversation about the most pressing social issue of our time — this is not it. But we had a ton of fun. We hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we enjoyed recording it. P.S. Do you ship Benny/Beth or Beth/Benny? ; ) Timecodes:03:00 - 08:00 Why is the “Queen's Gambit” such a perfect show for women of our time? Why is it important that the show is set in the 50s? 08:30 - 11:00 How does Beth’s relationship with Beltik flip the traditional gender dynamics on its head; why does Beltik remind us of women in Chinese Wuxia novels/films? 11:25 - 15:00 The show’s portrayal of sex and love and Beth’s relationship with Benny and Townes15:30 - 21:00 Female characters in the show: who is Alma and why her life is a tragedy we can’t take our eyes off of; why her story reminds us of “Why women kill” and resonates with so many middle aged women in China? 21:30 - 25:00 Why the discussion of whether women should work or stay with families is one of the most talked about pain point in present day China; how the show portrays women’s trauma and resilience25:30 - 27:20 Is the show trying to pit women who conform against those who don’t? 27:30 - 29:00 Why is the portrayal of “tragic and helpless housewives” so offensive in China? 29:14 - 32:28 Is the character Jolene the “deus ex machina” of the show and why the show’s treatment of race draws criticism? 32:30 - 38:00 What kind of actual hurdles did Beth overcome and were they too easy? The reality of gender inequality in chess and other industries in 2020. Why do we say “Queen’s Gambit” is a fairy tale set in an alternative universe? 39:50 - 40:00 Knowing all the limits of the show, why do we still welcome MORE stories like this one? 41:00 - 43:00 Time to shamelessly ship Benny/Beth; Jolene/Beth; Beth/Cleo 44:00 - ENDING Maybe we need and deserve some pure joy in this f-ed up world. READINGS:AO3: Queens Gambit fanfics (Oh we support this tag: #Benny watts is bisexual I can tell bcs of his stupid little hat) https://archiveofourown.org/tags/The%20Queen's%20Gambit%20(TV)/works Older women on China’s TikTok are being scammed by flirtatious fake celebrities, highlighting a prevalent problem on the platformhttps://www.scmp.com/abacus/tech/article/3107118/older-women-chinas-tiktok-are-being-scammed-flirtatious-fake Chinese fans go wild over dark drama ‘Why Women Kill’ as season one endshttps://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1167371.shtml Promo:Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
In this episode, our two hosts and two guests continued our discussion on Netflix’s “Social Dilemma”. We talked about how the industry shaped us as practitioners (0:47)  -- how it encouraged our uninhibited curiosity and restricted our imagination of what the Internet could have been(5:40). We also debated whether users should also be considered “laborers” in this new form of capitalism, and if they should get a share of the profit (15:20). We talked about what we did not like about the documentary, which is widely accused of sensationalism and oversimplifying complex issues (31:00). Lastly, we broke down the steps that are currently being taken -- and steps we would like to see (41:38) -- in the long march ahead of defending humanity against surveillance capitalism.Links:《计算机世界的教条和谎言——从设计批判的角度看科技》https://nyshalong.com/event/11“The Age of Surveillance Capitalism” by Shoshana Zuboff“The Curse of Xanadu” https://www.wired.com/1995/06/xanadu/Promo:Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Please reach out to us at loudmurmursfm@gmail.com for any business inquiries. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
This is the first section of our two-part discussion of Netflix’s “Social Dilemma.” Brace yourself as our two hosts and two guests dive into a collective mental breakdown while breaking down the complex set of problems the documentary shed light on -- surveillance capitalism, attention economy, and social media addiction. We discussed our reaction to the documentary, how it forced us to reconsider our day-to-day jobs as practitioners, our personal relationship with the attention and addiction industry, and why we need to start paying attention because, this time, things are truly different.Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Please reach out to us at loudmurmursfm@gmail.com for any business inquiries. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
In this episode, our three hosts Izzy, Diaodiao and Ina discuss ‘Nomadland,’ a recent favorite of ours and of the film festival award circuit (winner of the top prize at the Venice Film Festival). We try to put into words the ennui and other hard-to-grasp feelings the film evokes. We examine our own relationships with nature and the land on which we live, and we dive into the thorny social issue of caring for elderly laborers in both the U.S. and China. In this episode, you’ll hear: 00:00-07:30 First impressions of “Nomadland”07:30 - Frances McDormand’s sublime performance and how the movie can’t be contained by one genre 08:20 - How the film portrays space through storytelling and cinematography, the juxtaposition of the endless road and the cramped van 11:37 - The relationship between human and nature and land in the modern society 14:47 - The real social issues behind this poetic film 19:06 - How China and and the U.S. face similar yet different social issues with aging workers 23:32 - The decline of the welfare capitalism 31:07 - The nomadic lifestyle of those who turned away from the city life and the realities of being on the road37:06 - How the movie manages a social critique without undermining individuals’ dignity, resourcefulness and resilience Links:Millions of elderly laborers, who’s in charge of their retirement? https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_1337242 ”Bitter Flowers” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z788IgjZDaY “Policing the open road” https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/policing-the-open-road/ Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Please reach out to us at loudmurmursfm@gmail.com for any business inquiries. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
In this episode, Diaodiao and Afra talk about their latest obsessions — dance competitions! We are talking about Youku’s electrifying reality dance show "The Street Dance of China", and HBO Max's vogue ballroom dance competition "Legendary" with a special guest: Bazi, who is the father of House of Kawakubo, the first vogue ballroom family in China. Bazi talks us through the dance genre known as voguing and why it's as much of a community as an art form. We compare the representations of female and LGBT dancers on the two shows, unpack our own experiences in the dance community, and explain why both of the shows celebrate a subversive culture but fail to be subversive themselves.If you haven't watched either of the shows, don't worry, you can still enjoy this episode!  "Street Dance of China" Season 3 aired on July 18, 2020 and very soon became one of the most popular reality shows in post-pandemic China. The show features four celebrities who are known as "Captains." The captains pick their own team from a group of insanely talented dancers and battle the other teams for the final championship.  "Legendary"  brings together eight ballroom houses to compete for a cash prize of $100,000. The show refuses to handhold its audience through the rich traditions, history and terminology of ballroom culture.Street Dance of China Season 3 is on the air, why is it still popular?HBO Max’s Legendary gives the ballroom community a deliriously fun twirl into the spotlightE410.「人妖」李二毛的一生 故事fm VOGUING! SHANGHAI! 聚焦中国首个 Ballroom 文化平台  Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Please reach out to us at loudmurmursfm@gmail.com for any business inquiries.Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
This is a very special episode we put together in 3 days. On September 18, 2020, Friday evening, we learned that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg passed away at the age of 87. It was one of those news stories where you remember exactly what you were doing when you heard it. For this episode, hosts Izzy and Afra are joined by our guests Danmiao and Santu. Santu is in law school right now juggling between schoolwork and being a dad of two. Danmiao is a lawyer in New York City.  Together we celebrate Notorious R.B.G’s life, legacy and her journey to pop culture icon. It’s actually a surprisingly uplifting episode, somehow. *In this episode, you’ll hear:*-How we learned of RBG’s death and how we processed the news-What RBG means to each of us personally -Ginsburg’s greatest contributions to women’s rights -Why the soft-spoken justice became an unlikely pop culture icon in her last years-How did the 2018 documentary R.B.G and the 2019 film “On the Basis of Sex” tell her story?-Why is her death politically significant? What does it mean for our future in the U.S. Links:2019 “On the Basis of Sex”https://www.focusfeatures.com/on-the-basis-of-sex2018 documentary: R.B.G https://www.rbgmovie.com/Notorious R.B.G:https://notoriousrbg.tumblr.com/Nina Totenberg on the death of RBG: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/100306972/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-champion-of-gender-equality-dies-at-87 Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Please reach out to us at loudmurmursfm@gmail.com for any business inquiries. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
This is the episode you’ve all been waiting for. Let us save you the time of reading 10,000 think pieces on why the movie is bad, by telling you exactly why the movie is bad. Together with our beloved guests Tony Lin and Rui Zhong, hosts Ina, Izzy and Afra spend an hour talking about why we are thoroughly unimpressed by Disney’s 2020 live action remake of “Mulan.”  In this episode you’ll hear our thoughts on:What we love and miss the most about Disney’s 1998 classic, the original animated version of “Mulan”  How the concept of “Qi” and Gong Li’s character undermine the storylineWhat the 2020 film got wrong about aesthetics and “Chinese” cultural elements (Disney doesn’t deserve Zheng Peipei)Who is Mulan? Warrior, daughter, the emperor’s perfect subject? How the 2020 film robbed Mulan of her agency, desires, and charisma What Disney sacrificed in order to appease the Chinese censors Disney decided to make this film in 2015, what changed (what hasn’t changed?!) in the five years since? About our guest:Tony Lin - Award-winning journalist, writer based in New York City. He’s on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/tony_zy Rui Zhong - Program associate at the Wilson Center. She’s on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/rzhongnotes Read more:The Politics of a New Mulanhttps://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/politics-new-mulan The Mulan Debacle https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/chinatalk/the-mulan-debacle-X-omly59GO2/ 加速脫鉤時代的《花木蘭》:如何做到一次過得罪全世界https://theinitium.com/article/20200915-culture-mulan-disney-media-observation/ Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Please reach out to us at loudmurmursfm@gmail.com for any business inquiries. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
When the musical “Hamilton” first came out, all four of us were in our early 20s, trying to find our own place in a new country. We found hope and inspiration in the story of Alexander Hamilton as told by the musical—the story of a young, ambitious immigrant who became a hero of the American revolution. This past July 4th weekend, a original Broadway production of “Hamilton'' streamed on Disney+ for the first time ever. Also on the same weekend, President Trump gave a speech in front of Mt. Rushmore, claiming "a left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American Revolution."What is it like to watch “Hamilton” in 2020, when a celebration of “American progress” seems unfit for the time we are living in? For this episode, we invited our friend Yangyang Cheng, particle physicist and writer, to talk about the musical and what changed between then and now. In this episode you’ll hear: Why do we think “Hamilton” is a product of the Obama era and “an embodiment of its triumph and aspiration, as well as its limits and deception”  How have our own beliefs in meritocracy and the American dream changed in Trump’s America? The limit of representation and diversity--why we must move beyond celebrating diversityRethinking American history: the 1619 project vs. HamiltonWhy do we say that “Hamilton” is a cultural product of the pre-MeToo era?About our guest:Yangyang Cheng is a particle physicist and a postdoctoral research associate at Cornell University. She also writes the “Science and China” column at SupChina. She has previously been on Loud Murmurs to talk about HBO’s drama “Chernobyl.” Listen to that episode here. links:Yangyang’s July column: Watching Hamilton at the End of the World https://supchina.com/2020/07/29/watching-hamilton-at-the-end-of-the-world/The “1619 Project”https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.htmlIshmael Reed’s criticism of “Hamilton” when it first came out https://www.counterpunch.org/author/q7dru/https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/28/tom-cotton-1619-project-cancel-cultureWhen a weasel shut down the world’s most powerful particle collider https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/29/476154494/weasel-shuts-down-world-s-most-powerful-particle-colliderFind Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=544416&refid=stpr Pocket Cast: Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
This is a very special episode and the second of our 3-part conversation about Black Lives Matter. Longtime listeners of Loud Murmurs know that we have talked about “Black Panther” and “Green Book” when they first came out—about white savior complex in “Green Book” and the significance of Black futurism in “Black Panther.” But we want to bring back the two movies that are familiar to our listeners, and use them as an opportunity to have a conversation about race and racism in China, with the help of our guests. In this episode, Izzy and Diaodiao invited Esham and Joshua to join us. Esham (Twitter: @eshammacauley) is a first-gen African immigrant raised in the U.S. but has roots in West Africa, the Middle East, and Scandinavia. Joshua (Instagram: @joshytaughtyou) grew up on the south side of Chicago and currently works at a tech company in Shenzhen. Both of them have studied in China. In this episode, they talk candidly about racist encounters they’ve had being Black men in China and how they make sense of Hollywood’s reckoning with its decades of racism as part of the ongoing BLM movement in the U.S. A common argument is that “racism doesn’t exist in China because most Chinese people have never met a Black person.” In reality, hundreds of thousands of Black people currently live and work in China. Their experience decidedly differs from that of white expats. One doesn’t have to look so hard to find blatantly racist and hateful speech on Weibo today. Sooner or later, we need to have a tough conversation about anti-Black racism in China. In this episode: What do our guests think about “Green Book” and “Black Panther” and their different reception in China? What similarities did Joshua find between “The Wandering Earth” and “Black Panther”?How has “respectability politics'' shaped our two guests' lives growing up? What does “respectability politics” look like in China? What is their experience with racism in China and can we categorize those encounters as “innocent ignorance”?Why are American movies and TV shows we grew up watching in China so white? The importance of letting people tell their own stories about racism.Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
The Hollywood classic "Gone With The Wind" has recently been removed from HBO Max, and returned to its cinematic library a mere two weeks later with additional content: an optional intro that gives “frank assessment of both the film’s own racist content and the racism of the times and environment into which it was released” and another hour-long recording of a panel discussion on the complicated legacy of "Gone With The Wind." In this episode, our hosts Afra and Ina, joined by an old friend @Flyingpku, look into the film’s complicated legacy, the whitewashing, and romanticizing of the horrors of slavery. We discuss the following:How the movie differs from the book and a deeper dive into several characters The iconography of the “Southern Belle” and the long-lasting effects of glamourizing the Southern Antebellum (why plantation weddings are still a thing)The problematic portrayal of slave characters, especially female slaves, in the movie, and how those stereotypes still perpetuate today’s pop culture (e.g. Aunt Jemima)The romanticization of slavery and the inaccurate depiction of the Civil WarThe “iconic” status of Gone With The Wind in Hollywood history and its unique reception in China (Greenlit by Deng Xiaoping and Jiang Zemin) Links of articles we reference in the show:How I Bought Into Gone with the Wind’s Mythology of Whiteness  https://electricliterature.com/how-i-bought-into-gone-with-the-winds-mythology-of-whiteness/ The Southern Belle: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/removing-the-southern-belle-from-her-inglorious-perch/2015/08/14/ea929b2a-3f96-11e5-9561-4b3dc93e3b9a_story.html Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave by Frederick Douglass《飘到哪里去》by Lin Fang, Jan 20, 1980, Liberation DailyFind Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
This is one of the most anticipated episodes on Loud Murmurs for Afra, Izzy, and Ina, who share a (un)healthy obsession with the Nickelodeon cartoon “Avatar: The Last Airbender.” We’ve also invited a special guest, Eris Qian (Zhuoyang), New York-based director and playwright, to talk about why we love the show so much.It’s not just us. The 15-year-old cartoon is having a moment, a “stunning second life” as a recent New Yorker article put it. In May, “Avatar the Last Airbender” became the most-watched show on Netflix. The show’s adventures, friendships, failures, redemptions, and the characters’ struggle for morality in a chaotic world feel more real than real life in 2020. If you haven’t watched the show, go watch it before listening to this episode because lots of ~spoilers~ and simping a certain character whose name starts with “z.” May ATLA be your secret tunnel through 2020. In this episode, we talked about:Avatar’s world-building: Pan-Asian culture Cultural appropriation vs. appreciation Our favorite characters and scenes What we love and don’t love about ATLA’s portrayal of women (the “ideal woman” trap)Why does ATLA remind us of Wuxia (武侠) novels and “Journey to the West” and 明清章回小说Explanatory comma or no explanatory comma? Eris Qian talks about what it’s like to tell an intimate, personal story when your audience finds it “foreign” Links:The Stunning Second Life of “Avatar: The Last Airbender”https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-stunning-second-life-of-avatar-the-last-airbenderOfficial timeline of ATLA and comic books:https://card.weibo.com/article/m/show/id/2309404470397344022728?_wb_client_=1&object_id=1022%3A2309404470397344022728&extparam=lmid--4470397346939216&luicode=10000011&lfid=231522type%3D1%26t%3D10%26q%3D%23%E9%99%8D%E4%B8%96%E7%A5%9E%E9%80%9A%EF%BC%9A%E6%9C%80%E5%90%8E%E7%9A%84%E6%B0%94%E5%AE%97%23&featurecode=10000084Zuzu’s rap debut (no)https://www.weibo.com/u/5525387911 Promo:Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Email us: loudmurmursfm@gmail.com Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
Michelle Obama is one of the most iconic women of our time and one of the most beloved First Lady in U.S. history. Her memoir “Becoming” has been a book that is giving us life in a year filled with crises. For this episode, hosts Ina and Afra invited Dr. Guo Ting at the University of Hong Kong to talk about Michell Obama’s memoir—the lessons we can and cannot learn from her journey. We talked about: What’s Michelle’s source of power and faith that allowed her to defy societal expectations every step of the way? Financial wealth vs. wealth in human capital in Black families What’s the role of lifelong female friendships? Why is female friendship almost absent in so much of our cultural conversation and collective consciousness? What does the role of First Lady mean in American politics, society? How has that role changed over the decades? How did the Obamas manage to push the society’s understanding of race? How have they adjusted their goals throughout the eight years? Has the book fallen short of addressing systemic, societal problems that affect individual accomplishments?This episode is edited by: Joshua Ogden-DavisLinks:The Social Sex: History of Female Friendship by Marilyn Yalom郭婷︱闺蜜史:友情是磅礴的革命田安(Anna Shields):《知我者:中唐的文人友谊与文学文化》(One Who Knows Me: Friendship and Literary Culture in Mid-Tang)Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
Hosts Diaodiao, Afra, and Izzy talk about Mindy Kailing’s new Netflix series “Never Have I Ever,” a coming-of-age comedy about Devi, a second-generation Indian American girl in California.We talk about our own past as overachieving high school nerds (more than one of us were also in Model UN ahem), the feeling of othering when you move to a new country, why the show only manages to tell one specific story from Devi’s perspective, and last but not least, the show’s unabashed female gaze. (Afra actually sought out Paxton’s fan page.)We also included an interview segment with our special guest: Saisha, who grew up in India, studied and worked in China, and currently lives in New York City. Saisha talks about what she loves about the show and why she finds the show to be more like India in the 90s. She feels nervous about some of the ways the show portrays Indian Americans’ attitude towards marriage and religion: “There’s a war over identity going on in India right now. You want to show that story very carefully in India and America. To Indian Americans, it might just be nostalgic, but that has implications back home. If you are telling people you will still be struggling with this whether you’re in India or America, that’s problematic.”links:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/arts/television/mindy-kaling-never-have-I-ever-netflix.htmlPromo:Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
This episode is dedicated to one of our quarantine favorites -- Netflix’s The Half of it, a quirky coming-of-age romantic comedy written and directed by Asian American director, Alice Wu. We unpacked the literary references of the film, and discussed why the references perfectly captured the mindset of a teenager literature reader. We also talked about the four key characters in the film -- Ellie, Astor, Paul and Dr. Chu -- what they represent and what they mean for us in our own coming-of-age experiences.Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
In this episode, our hosts Afra and Diaodiao are joined by a group of AI practitioners to unpack the new season of HBO’s Westworld. They talked about the show’s fuzzy rendition of the role of engineering in AI technology, explained how the real-world versions of Incite create your user profile, and shared stories and researches that illustrate the disturbing reality we live in -- the dual Leviathan of surveillance capitalism and surveillance state. Meanwhile, as COVID created a new reality where every citizen can be a security threat to the collective, they shared their thoughts, worries and observations on how surveillance can ride the tide, and why it is particularly important to be okay with being “radical”.The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: https://shoshanazuboff.com/book/about/Suji’s Anti-996 License: https://github.com/kattgu7/Anti-996-LicenseFind Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
This episode is basically an hour-long of us singing the praises of sitcom “Schitt’s Creek,” written and produced by Dan Levy and Eugene Levy. Its season finale aired in April so now is the perfect time to talk about this show, which went from a little-known series when it first aired in Canada 5 years ago to a breakout success with a ferocious fan base (us included.) The show tells the story of a rich family who lost all of their wealth overnight and had to move to a small town called “Schitt’s Creek,” which they bought originally as a joke. It’s a classic “fish out of water” story but infused with authenticity, warm and funny dialogues and characters who are so specific yet so relatable. Izzy and Ina invited a new friend, Walton, to talk about what this show means to him. Having yet to come out to his parents, Walton said the wedding scene in the finale where two male characters celebrated their love in front of their parents gave him hope that he never knew he needed. Unlike some of our more dense episodes, this one doesn’t deviate from the show much. This is an entire hour of unadulterated joy where we talk about how much we love the wonderful world Dan Levy created. We also talk about TV representation of pansexuality and comedy as a collective creative format. Wherever you are, we hope you stay well, physically and mentally. Enjoy the show! Links:https://ew.com/tv/2019/03/20/schitts-creek-dan-levy-interview-david-pansexual-patrick-coming-out/?amp=true https://www.theringer.com/tv/2020/4/2/21203985/mike-schur-dwight-schrute-michael-scott-ron-swanson-leslie-knope https://people.com/tv/catherine-ohara-reveals-where-schitts-creek-character-moria-accent-comes-from/Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
Dear listeners, we hope you’re doing well wherever you may be. The hosts of Loud Murmurs have all been staying at home to help curb the epidemic and we thought what better way to retain our sanity than to talk about death, the meaning of life and ethics? In this episode, we invited our old friend Santu to talk about NBC’s comedy “The Good Place.” The comedy explores the above-mentioned large themes but still manages to be smart, moving and funny through its four seasons. We can’t talk about this show without spoiling it so consider yourself warned. Some stuff we talked about: How did writers of the show incorporate philosophical concepts and make jokes about them?Is Chidi a true Kantian? Or is the character’s understanding of Kant’s categorical imperative a flawed one?  What’s up with people’s obsession with Janet? Santu thinks we see similar characters in wuxia stories. Is Jason reinforcing or combating the Asian male stereotype on American TV? Last but not least, we recommend some books we mentioned in the show for y’all. Spend your time in solidarity to ponder important questions such as “what we owe to each other” and “death.” links:1. What we owe to each other by T.M Scanlon2. Death by Todd May3. This article by Vox https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2019/9/26/20874217/the-good-place-series-finale-season-4-moral-philosophyFind Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
This is a very special episode. It’s a celebration of the second anniversary of Loud Murmurs. We’re very excited to share this with you all. Hosts Afra, Izzy, Ina and Diaodiao talk about Queer Eye, the popular Netflix makeover show. We discuss how its tagline “more than a makeover” manifests itself over this season; the structural inequality and cultural conflicts revealed and then brushed off by the show; Fab 5’s celebrity status and how that plays into the dynamics.We also, for research purposes, watched a Chinese makeover show that has been accused of copying the format of Queer Eye, called “You are so beautiful.” We talk in depth about the show’s reinforcement of stringent gender roles, the lack of diversity in all aspects and how that ties into the culture of censorship in China. Enjoy. Find Loud Murmurs in the iTunes podcast store, Google Play, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Pocket Casts, Overcast)! Please subscribe, enjoy, and feel free to drop us a note and leave us a review. RSS feed: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/258327.rss Itunes: https://apple.co/2VAVf0Z Google play: goo.gl/KjRYPN Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2IWNuRB Pocket Cast: http://pca.st/nLid Overcast: https://bit.ly/2SL7MNJ Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs. Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/loudmurmurs)
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x z

shout out to you girls. great content and perspectives

Aug 30th
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imam elyar

这个男的好烦啊

May 18th
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Vicky太好笑了吧Hannah那个笑话确实是你的delivery比较好哈哈哈

May 15th
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Cheng Zhang-Stoddard

The band's name is not "Queens" but "Queen"... This is not RuPaul's Drag Race.

Mar 28th
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