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Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next

Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next

Author: Daniel Thorson

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A podcast based inquiry into the next phase of the human experiment.
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A short making sense episode with frequent guest of the show Bonnitta Roy. We have a chat about the recent episodes with Jem Bendell and Vinay Gupta, and how what new paths forward may lie in the wake of the collapse narrative.
A short making sense episode with friend and fellow monastic Peter Park. We have a chat about the recent episodes with Jem Bendell and Vinay Gupta, and how the idea of collapse is playing out in our own lives.
This episode's guest is Vinay Gupta (@leashless). Vinay is the founder of Mattereum, the creator of the hexayurt, and part of the team that launched the Ethereum project. Vinay is also a deep spiritual practitioner, and in this two part episode we explore the intersection of awakening, social collapse, and the possibility of human extinction.  We talk about Vinay’s esoteric spiritual path and subsequent awakening to the planetary crisis, why we ought to abandon all causes except the avoidance of total human extinction, why our situation is not just a repackaged mythical eschatology, why the victors of global capitalism are becoming the new losers, why we live in a ‘monster factory’, the reality that poverty IS collapse, why love is not enough, why a UBI might be the best thing we can do to escape the worst impacts of collapse, Vinay’s critique of the idea of ‘consciousness revolution’ as a real solution to the problems of a world, the problem with the mindfulness and yoga movements in the West, why anything that’s not leading towards enlightenment is not spiritual practice, why Salvador Dali is a Buddha, what expression of awakening can serve in a planetary crisis, why grace is a form of ‘not giving a fuck’, how to get in touch with the hellish aspect of the world, and why we need to 'saw off' the 60s.  This is part two of a two part conversation.  Outro music by Danny J.
This episode's guest is Vinay Gupta (@leashless). Vinay is the founder of Mattereum, the creator of the hexayurt, and part of the team that launched the Ethereum project. Vinay is also a deep spiritual practitioner, and in this two part episode we explore the intersection of awakening, social collapse, and the possibility of human extinction. We talk about  Vinay’s esoteric spiritual path and subsequent awakening to the planetary crisis, why we ought to abandon all causes except the avoidance of total human extinction, why our situation is not just a repackaged mythical eschatology, why the victors of global capitalism are becoming the new losers, why we live in a ‘monster factory’, the reality that poverty IS collapse, why love is not enough, why a UBI might be the best thing we can do to escape the worst impacts of collapse, Vinay’s critique of the idea of ‘consciousness revolution’ as a real solution to the problems of a world, the problem with the mindfulness and yoga movements in the West, why anything that’s not leading towards enlightenment is not spiritual practice, why Salvador Dali is a Buddha, what expression of awakening can serve in a planetary crisis, why grace is a form of ‘not giving a fuck’, how to get in touch with the hellish aspect of the world, and why we need to 'saw off' the 60s. This is part one of a two part conversation. Outro music by Danny J.
Today I'm speaking with Dr. Jem Bendell. Jem exploded onto the internet with the release of his 'Deep Adaptation' paper, which has been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. The paper makes a very persuasive argument for what Dr. Bendell calls 'Inevitable near term social collapse' due to climate change. In this conversation we talk about non-linear self-reinforcing negative feedback loops in climate systems, Dr. Bendell’s experience of grief in coming to terms with the reality of collapse, Extinction Rebellion as an expression of fierce love, the meaningfulness and joy on the other side of collapse acceptance, collapse as an invitation to face the reality of our own inevitable death, how to approach the idea of collapse in a helpful way, and whether the United States and Europe will escape the worst impacts as systems de-cohere. Deep Adaptation Paper Positive Deep Adaptation Facebook Group
Ethan and Daniel talk about the most recent episode of Emerge with Darren Silver.
In this conversation with Joe Brewer we touch into many different dimensions of how the breakdown of world systems intersects with our lives as individuals. We talk about such things as: + How we become responsible adults in times of crises + Why not to pay attention to Trump + How social norms obstruct our own maturation + The risks of self-initation + A new paradigm of service and citizenship + The danger of misplaced responsibility + How those who care about the future of the planet should allocate their energy and attention And much more! Please enjoy the first episode of season two of Emerge. Here's where to find Joe Brewer on the web: On Medium: https://medium.com/@joe_brewer On Twitter: https://twitter.com/cognitivepolicy On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/joe.brewer.31 Become a supporter of this podcast: https://anchor.fm/emerge/support
John Churchill joins Daniel to discuss the relationship between Attachment Theory and the process of awakening. Weaving together strands from Buddhist psychology and developmental psychology, John describes the Bodhisattva path and the development of a Planetary Dharma through the lenses of attunement and attachment. Topics covered include the development of the heart, the definition and various dimensions of attunement, and the difficulty of finding trustworthy spiritual teachers and community. John also shares theory and practice perspectives on the development of healthier attachment and offers words of encouragement for community building in difficult times. 0:00 Introduction and background for the talk 2:43 Western and Eastern Psychology and Attachment Theory 5:01  The attachment and attention systems and the sense of self 10:37 Addressing the split between the heart and the mind 16:21 Buddhist perspectives on the healing of the attachment system 21:26 Right relationship, attunement, and the dimensions of the heart 26:42 Developmental psychology and attunement 28:42 Levels of attunement and the significance of intuition 36:46 Collective psychological and structural components of attunement  40:52 Awakening with and without the heart as a central point of focus 48:09 Discernment on the Buddhist path and a developmental model of the Bodhisattva 52:32 The significance of time in spiritual development 55:50  Finding trustworthy teachers and avenues of practice 1:04:30 Putting the difficulty of finding a reliable spiritual path in perspective 1:07:33 Theoretical perspectives and practical advice for developing healthier attachment  1:20:23 Summarizing the development of healthy attachment and the Bodhisattva path from the perspective of attachment theory 1:23:37 Closing thoughts: Coming together and taking care of each other
Daniel and Jordan Hall discuss Jordan’s recent conversion to Christianity and the evolution of his worldview. How did a tech pioneer and futurist intellectual who would have said his chances of being baptized were “exactly zero” only five years ago become a convert? Daniel and Jordan talk about their respective “paths to humility” and the importance of religious community and traditional wisdom in the modern world. Topics include the tension between innovation and tradition, Game A and Game B,  the search for deeply connected communities, the importance of grief, the evolution of modern Christianity, cultural attitudes towards Christianity, and the power of committing to Truth. 0-3:34 Jordan’s recent conversion to Christianity 3:35 The evolution of Jordan’s worldview and his relationship to religion since childhood 9:11 The 2008 financial crisis and the birth of “Game B” 16:55 Searching for “Civium” (seeking out a philosophically aligned community)  23:07 Going to Black Mountain, North Carolina 31:18 Reflections on attending church and turning towards religion 42:06 Getting to humility 47:56 The importance of grief 49:54 “Religion that is not a religion” and the “Two Worlds Mythology” 53:26  Addressing the condemnation of Christianity in modern culture 1:02:57 Jordan’s thoughts on shifts in modern Christianity 1:06:36 The value of religious community and tradition in a neophilic culture 1:12:47 Committing to Truth 1:14:07 Wrap-up
After a long career using many therapeutic modalities, for more than a decade, Bob Falconer has devoted his practice exclusively to Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapy. Bob has completed all levels of IFS training and continues to study with many of the senior IFS trainers. He co-authored the book Many Minds, One Self with IFS founder Richard Schwartz and has helped to train more than a thousand people in IFS.  For the past several years, Bob has been devoted to completing the extensive research and writing of his new book, The Others Within Us, which deals with “unattached burdens,” “guides” and what has sometimes traditionally been referred to as spirit possession. In this episode, Daniel and Bob discuss Bob’s personal trauma and the historical fight for the cultural and professional recognition of abuse, trauma and PTSD. They then delve into the history of psychotherapy and its connections to capitalism and colonialism and Bob’s perspectives on Internal Family Systems (IFS). While exploring the major themes of Bob’s book, they discuss the porous nature of mind, differing cultural models of mind, psychosis and spirit possession, Bob’s personal experiences with “the others within us,” the imaginal realm, and how Western psychology might shift from a “mono-mind” perspective to a “porous mind” one in the future. Timestamps 03:39 Intro 05:29 Bob’s Abusive Upbringing and Early Spiritual Experiences 11:07 How Internal Family Systems Has Helped Bob Become a “Man of Joy” 13:37 The History and Evolution of Modern Cultural Conceptions of Abuse, Trauma and Mind 21:03 Competition, Capitalism and Colonialism in Psychotherapy 23:42 Internal Family Systems and Multiplicity of Mind 28:43 Bob’s Book and His Perspectives on The Porous Nature of Mind 31:48 “Something Foreign In My Mind”: The Client Who Changed Bob’s Perspective 39:09 “The Others Within Us”: The Core Claim of Bob’s Book 45:36 Generational Trauma and Different Cultural Approaches to “The Others Within Us” 49:19 How Forces Not Clearly Linked To Our Personal History Might Get Into Us 52:53 Limitations of the Western Conception of Mind and Differing Cultural Interpretations of “Psychosis” 57:39 Possible Portals To A More Widespread Recognition of The Porosity of Mind 1:00:05 Navigating The Imaginal Realm 1:03:51 How Coaches and Practitioners Can Make Space for Porosity of Mind and The Others Within Us 1:09:20 Closing The Others Within Us
Tasshin – which means “to reach or achieve truth” – describes himself as an “online pilgrim wandering this precious world for the benefit of all beings.” In this episode, Daniel talks with Tasshin about some of the lessons he has learned and his unique insights into what it means to “live your vow,” from clarifying one’s sense of unique purpose to effectively coordinating with individuals and groups. While breaking down a statement on “bottlenecks” from Tasshin’s recent article, they outline a powerful framework that connects inner and outer work and service. Topics covered include productivity, psychology, ethics, effective coordination, the technological and poetic attunements (as described by Heidegger), the pathology of trying to “solve the world’s problems,” and the duo’s friendship, which dates back to their two-plus years together at the Monastic Academy. Tasshin's Home on the Internet Support Emerge on Patreon Timestamp 02:15 Daniel and Tasshin’s Personal Connection and Mutual Inspiration 10:29 Overview of Tasshin’s Recent Article and Reading of His “Bottleneck” Statement 16:33 “Finding Your Vow Is The Bottleneck On Productivity” 24:02 Living One’s Vow/Purpose As An Iterative Process 28:23 Addressing Doubts Regarding The Concept of “Vow”or “Unique Purpose” 31:53 “Productivity Is The Bottleneck On Strategy” 44:37 “Strategy Is The Bottleneck On Effective Coordination” 47:57 Different Levels of Harmonization 54:17 Trusting Yourself, Trusting Experience, Trusting Life 58:52 From Solving The World’s Problems to Focusing On Goodness, Truth, Beauty, and Playing One’s Part 1:07:52 Closing
This episode is a 're-Cast' from the Coach's Rising podcast, hosted by Joel Monk. I was so moved and inspired by the conversation I thought I'd share it with you all on my stream. I've been following John Churchill's work for some time, and this was exactly the conversation I wanted to have with him. It's a beautiful episode, and I hope you enjoy. Dr. John Churchill is a Doctor of Psychology and teacher of Buddha Dharma as well as a practitioner of Traditional Chinese Medicine and author. John’s interest in psycho-spiritual development, Integral theory, Contemplative studies, Western Esotericism, and Mahayana Buddhism began in his adolescence, leading him to spend several years as a Buddhist monk at Samye Ling Monastery in Scotland. During this time, John received the esoteric Planetary Dharma transmissions that would in time unfold as his contribution to a planetary fourth turning teaching. He is also a founding member of the Integral Institute. WEBSITEShttps://www.karunamandala.org/https://samadhiintegral.com/ https://www.coachesrising.com/
Vince Horn and Daniel discuss the evolution, benefits, and potential of social meditation. They explore the new meditatewith.ai app created by Vince and Interbeing Inc. co-founder Chris Ewald. The app allows users to practice social meditation with an AI partner, with the ultimate goal of deepening the realization of human interconnectedness in everyday life. Vince and Daniel discuss how social meditation can affect relationships and networks, and how the practice might help address core issues of alienation from self, other, and world at the heart of the meta-crisis. Vince Horn is part of a new generation of teachers translating age-old wisdom into 21st century code. A computer engineering dropout turned modern monk, Vincent spent his 20s co- founding the Buddhist Geeks project while doing a full year of silent meditation practice on retreat. Timestamps 3:54 Intro 5:36 Intro to Social Meditation 11:23 Evolution of Social Meditation 16:33 The Role of Language in Meditation 21:50 Significance of Meditation Moving into the Inter-Relational Context 24:53 Social Meditation’s Effects on Relationships 26:04 The Meditatewith.ai App & The Issues It Addresses 30:11 Intra-Connection, Interconnection & How Social Meditation Can Impact Groups 34:19 Vince’s Inspiration For This Work 38:43 How AI Is Used in the App 49:09 Social Meditation and the Unfolding of the Spiritual Path 53:36 Creating and Refining a Protocol for Social Meditation 57:30 Value of Social Meditation for the Meta-Crisis 1:01:12 Next Steps for the App 1:03:09 Wrap-up Try the app at meditatewith.ai
In this conversation, John, Bonnie, and Thomas discuss various frameworks on what wisdom is, how it functions, and the different types and scales of complexity in which wisdom may arise. The conversation explores themes of wisdom and complexity with both depth and breadth, navigating the topic philosophically and pragmatically, and ultimately arriving at wisdom's relationship with the "It" beyond all relationship. This conversation is brought to us by the Respond Network. The Respond Network is a distributed research network focused on addressing the meta-crisis by researching and cultivating wisdom. Respond Network Practitioners taking place August 7th – 12th, 2023 in Bergerac, France Daniel's Patreon Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 5:59 - Virtue Reactivation 8:19 - Wisdom vs. Development & Complexity vs. Rootedness 12:47 - Wisdom as a function of Domains of Complexity 17:48 - Wisdom as a function of Relationship 20:30 - Wisdom as the Interplay between Sophia & Phronesis 25:35 - Moving between Scales of Sophia & Phronesis 30:37 - Vertical and Horizontal Axes of Wisdom & Complexity 35:41 - Letting Go of Complexity into New Emergence 38:35 - Receptivity to Spontaneity 40:20 - Reorientation Towards Rootedness 42:50 - Accessing What is Fundamental Through Rootedness 49:59 - John Explicating Bonita's Demonstration of the Topic 51:22 - Mindfulness Mirroring 56:27 - Recognizing the Exemplification of the Sacred as a Function of Wisdom 1:02:34 - The World as a grounding agent for Wisdom 1:05:24 - When and How did 'It' show up? 1:12:10 - The 'It' is Beyond Relationship 1:24:14 - In Story'ing 1:26:14 - Mindfulness Mirroring II
In this conversation I speak with Jill Nephew. Jill, a former AI black box algorithm engineer with extensive experience in developing software architectures, holds a highly heterodox perspective on the risks associated with LLM AIs. In this conversation we explore Jill's argument that using LLMs like ChatGPT or Bard are like eating plastic for your cognitive agency and natural intelligence, how it is that AIs could cause the rise of new 'supercults', and how another world is possible, if only we learn to ask the right questions. If you enjoy this podcast and want to support it please consider becoming a Patreon supporter. [3:52] The critical difference between cognition and thinking [9:49] Why is using LLMs like eating plastic for our cognition? [16:04] What LLMs represent in the context of the meta-crisis [24:51] How LLMs signal trustworthiness and use randomness to confuse us and unground our cognition [36:00] What we can expect to see as LLMs introduce more plastic into our cognition [38:29] What ways of interacting with LLMs might be safe? [47:52] What are cults and how do they function in relationship to our cognition? [53:29] The possibility of an AI 'supercult' [55:27] The most dangerous thing we do to each other [59:48] The deep meaningfulness and richness of grounded cognition, going beyond trauma healing, beyond the monkey mind [1:07:17] Technology to reclaim natural intelligence, the practice of inquiry, the difference between 'good' inquiry and 'bad' inquiry [1:12:31] The rigorous engineering behind good inquiry forms [1:13:29] The power of inquiry, the feeling of insight, how to achieve a quiet mind [1:18:29] Jill's advice for how to respond to the acceleration of planetary destruction Jill's Conversation with Layman Pascal on the Integral Stage⁠ Inqwire, the software Jill has developed to help people reclaim their natural intelligence. Support Daniel on Patreon
John Vervaeke, Zak Stein, and Nora Bateson discuss transformation and its complex, cross-domain dimensionality. This episode addresses topics such as how does transformation take place and in what contexts? How does western culture misunderstand transformation? How is transformation naturally interwoven within the larger narrative of our lives? This conversation is brought to us by the Respond Network (https://rspnd.network). The Respond network is an initiative to address the meta-crisis by researching and cultivating wisdom. Respond is a network of researchers and practitioners who develop and deploy ecologies of practices (EoP) for personal and systemic transformation. 0:00:00 - Introduction, the Respond Network, Patreon 0:03:41 - Transformation Dimensionality 0:09:05 - Consequences of Transformation 0:13:13 - Transformation is not Chosen 0:19:11 - Virtue in Response to Fate 0:24:28 - Transformation is Ecological 0:29:41 - Re-Humanization of Transformational Spaces 0:32:05 - Necessary Tension within the Mythology of Hero 0:41:41 - Shifts in Intergenerational Transmission 0:44:08 - Ecology of Communication 0:50:58 - Necessity of Cultural Cognitive Grammar 0:53:20 - The Contextuality & Transferability of Transformation 1:08:23 - How Skills are Interwoven & Transferable Support Daniel on Patreon
Zak Stein and Daniel Thorson discuss the myriad risks of emerging AI tutoring technologies. AI tutoring is being developed now and will be deployed over the course of the next two to five years, bringing radical changes to our educational systems. This conversation explores the risks of this emerging technology while simultaneously proposing how, if designed correctly, this technology could solve the meta-crisis. Timestamp 0:00 - Intro 5:20 - Shift in Awareness of AI 10:08 - GAI Risk 15:51 - AI Alignment & Human Alignment 17:18 - Risks of Generalized Nature of AI 19:08 - Accelerating Misaligned Institutions 20:26 - AI Assistance & Anthropomorphism 25:35 - Instantaneous Media Interfacing 29:48 - AI Tutoring Risk 38:44 - Obsoleting Human Relationship 41:52 - AI Perfecting Propaganda 43:22 - Humanity's Educational Relationship 46:21 - Breaking the Human Nervous System 50:14 - AI Tutoring Risk Continued 55:17 - Building Aligned AI Tutoring Technology 59:56 - Importance of Non-Anthropomorphizable AI 1:02:10 - Irreducibility of Human Goodness 1:04:42 - The Limits of Computationalism 1:07:10 - AI Tutoring Guardrails 1:11:44 - Implementation of AI Tutoring Technology 1:17:36 - AI Planetary Tutoring System 1:21:59 - Solving the Meta-Crisis with AI Planetary Tutoring 1:25:06 - The Emergence of the New Human 1:29:18 - Right Relationship with Emerging AI Technology 1:35:18 - Conclusion ⁠Support the Emerge Podcast on Patreon⁠ ⁠Learn more about the Anti Fragile Heart Retreat at the Monastic Academy⁠
A conversation about how emergence can be the foundation a new society. We talk about how societies can create containers for healthy decision making. And how sacred containers can allow for the emergence of the planetary movement we’re longing for. David Sauvage asks, how do we create the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible? In my first episode after returning from the Emerge gathering in Austin, we discuss the future of collective decision-making, reflect on our shared past with Occupy Wallstreet, and consider the role of participatory democracy in what is emerging. David puts preliminary words to a vision originating from the gathering this summer. https://www.davidsauvage.com [00:00:00] Introducing David [00:05:24] David’s Vision from the Emerge gathering. [00:10:35] Occupy Wallstreet [00:29:30] The future of politics. [00:44:55] The Third Attractor.
Gary Sheng is a US-based technologist and civic entrepreneur dedicated to building tools, systems, and movements that accelerate human and planetary flourishing. He was recognized by Forbes 30 Under 30 for his work building Civics Unplugged. In this conversation we offer some friendly critiques of the emerging network and discuss how we can empower the next generation to actualize Game B. https://www.garysheng.com [0:00:00] Introducing Gary [0:16:40] Civics Unplugged [0:21:05] Dream DAO [0:39:11] Gary’s view of the emerging network from the outside in.
Steve March is the creator of an integrated ecology of practice and founder of Aletheia Coaching. In this episode we get into the history of coaching, depth and the fourth generation of coaching, going from self-improvement to self-unfoldment, Heidegger’s view on technology and attunement, depth ontology, eclecticism to integration, parts conflict in ecologies of practice, four depths of self-contact, internal family systems. Aletheia Coaching:  https://integralunfoldment.com Steve's Paper on the Neuroscience of Transformation: https://libraryofprofessionalcoaching.com/research/brain-behavior/the-neuroscience-of-enduring-transformation/ [0:02:36] Introducing Steve [0:09:00] First, Second, Third Generation Coaching [0:13:43] Aletheia and the Fourth Generation of Coaching [0:18:10] What if we are already whole? [0:18:47] Reservations about the term “coaching” [0:20:38] Exploring Unfoldment [0:24:57] Technological Attunement and Poetic Attunement [0:44:53] Invoking Poetic Attunement [0:53:20] Deeping eclecticism into integration [1:37:00] Scaling Psychotechnologies
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David Siller

What is the song at the end of the podcast?

Jul 11th
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Intrograted

Ronan's brilliant.

Oct 3rd
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Peter Monien

true, we gave to go meta to advance. my input to a political system change: upgradingdemocracy.com

Sep 18th
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Peter Monien

there is a project also with peer2peer bookkeeping approach, but with a connection via online notaries: Sweetbridge

Sep 18th
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Peter Monien

very cool, promising framework. will buy his second book.

Sep 18th
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Intrograted

Good luck! ☮♥️☯️

Mar 18th
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Marie Pace

Émerge

Sep 13th
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Intrograted

A 'playful' contemplation from my latest blogpost; "If we can imagine a thing, that thing is possible. The more we imagine a thing, the more likely it is to become probable. The stronger these imaginings, the more real they are likely to become... Matter was created from ‘thought’. All matter was imagined into being... Complete this statement; The illiterate of the future will be… those who are unable to imagine the impossible enough to manifest it". These imaginings were inspired by Emerge. https://intrograte.wordpress.com/2018/09/03/my-monday-messes-4

Sep 4th
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Intrograted

This abstract way of thinking hasn't intuitively clicked for me yet, but it does intuitively feel real. Hopefully the more I listen and explore, the greater an intuitive understanding I'll develop, until that click moment comes and it starts to become second nature. Thank-you for opening up this path for so many. I feel almost sure it will have positive, unpredictable, and likely even important, ramifications.

Sep 4th
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Intrograted

I've been doing this for the past 6 months on my own without realising it was a thing. It feels like I'm listening to my own thoughts being articulated, even though I have absolutely no experience in any Buddhist teachings. Why do I find that all at once cathartic, reassuring, confusing, and terrifying? I'm on the verge of tears. It feels like something strange and inexplicable is happening, and I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with all of this. Thank-you for these podcasts.

Aug 29th
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Intrograted

Question; I loved the point about authentic profound experiences not being universal. But can they sometimes be?

Aug 4th
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Intrograted

A little awkward to listen to at times, but a considered and worthwhile contribution to moving the conversation forward, all the more so as it progressed. Congratulations and well done, guys. I hope to hear further discussions like this, and more of them, going in to the future. Thank-you, and Consciousness bless you ❤.

Aug 4th
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