Inclusion and Disability Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with Jon Zweifler, autism dad and founder of Reed AI, to explore what inclusion really looks like when it’s built into everyday systems—not just good intentions. Jon shares his journey parenting a minimally verbal autistic son, unpacking how natural language, technology, and thoughtful design can unlock understanding without forcing people to mask or adapt unnaturally. Together, AAron and Jon talk about redefining togetherness, removing invisible barriers, and why inclusion must work even on hard days. This conversation is practical, honest, and deeply hopeful for families and educators alike.Key Takeaways:Systems Matter - Inclusion only works when it’s built into everyday systems, not treated as a feel-good sentiment.Natural Language Access - Using everyday language as a learning tool helps neurodivergent kids understand the world in real time.Together, Not Same - Being together doesn’t require doing the same activity—proximity and safety count.No More Masking - Parents and kids shouldn’t have to apologize or hide neurodivergence to belong.Purpose Over Product - Technology is most powerful when it serves human connection, not convenience.Jon Zweifler’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion needs to be baked into the existing systems that we all live in every day to enable comparable experiences for folks who experience the world differently.Jon Zweifler’s Bio:The father of a verbally challenged autistic son, Jonathan has a B.S. from the School of Speech (Northwestern), an M.S. in Communication Design (Pratt), and Executive Certifications (M.I.T) in Artificial Intelligence and Business Model Innovation. I never set out to build a company. I set out to solve a problem I just couldn’t ignore in our daily life.As a parent of a language-challenged child, I know what it feels like to watch your kid want to connect — to reach for words — but not have the right tools to bridge that gap.Every parent in our world knows that feeling — the mix of hope, heartbreak, and determination that comes with trying to help your child be understood.That’s where Reed came from. Reed isn’t just an app. It’s designed to be a bridge — one that helps kids understand the people and language in their world, across therapy, school, and home.It puts these kids back at the center of everyday conversations, instead of on the sidelines.So we sit at the intersection of literacy, and learning — making language acquisition more natural, sensory-rich, and human.I’ve seen what happens when the right tools meet the right kids. It’s not about screens or code — it’s about their confidence. The ability to understand, express, and belong in the world around them.Connect with Jon Zweifler:Website: https://meetreed.ai/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meet_reedLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/reed-ai/posts/?feedView=allSPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 78No - 93☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with executive coach and neurodiversity advocate Jane Singleton to explore what inclusion really looks like in everyday life. Jane reframes inclusion as a behavior rooted in curiosity rather than judgment and challenges listeners to ask better questions before making assumptions. Together, they unpack stigma, invisible disabilities, anxiety, and the importance of normalizing different ways of thinking, communicating, and regulating. From parenting and education to workplaces and leadership, this conversation offers practical insights on how empathy, flexibility, and honoring individual needs can help build environments where neurodivergent people truly belong.Key Takeaways:Curiosity First - Inclusion begins when we ask more questions than we make judgments about others’ behavior.Normalize Differences - Behaviors tied to neurodiversity need explanation and normalization, not silence or stigma.Kids Lead Inclusion - Children often model empathy and curiosity better than adults when differences are explained.Honor Non-Negotiables - Parents and caregivers must recognize and communicate their own emotional and sensory limits.Systems Matter - True inclusion requires brain-friendly systems, not just good intentions or labels.Jane Singleton’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is choosing curiosity over judgment and sharing information in ways that work for different minds.Jane Singleton’s Bio:Jane Singleton is an experienced educational leader, learning specialist, and ICF-certified executive coach with over 13 years of experience supporting individuals with diverse cognitive and emotional profiles. As the founder of Launchpad for Life, LLC, Jane helps individuals, teams and organizations navigate neurodiversity with purpose, so they develop sustainable habits that support personal and professional growth.She has designed and led programs across a wide range of diverse organizations, developing inclusive policies and systems that enhance collaboration and communication. Jane also delivers customized workshops on topics such as cognitive efficiency and time management, neuroinclusive communication strategies, universal design for learning, resilience and internal motivation, and clarity-driven decision-making models.Connect with Jane Singleton:Website: https://www.launchpadforlife.org/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61564866125675Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/launchpadforlife/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janesingleton/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:NoCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 77No - 93☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with Scott Martin—husband, father, author, coach, teacher, and quad amputee—for a powerful conversation about resilience, identity, and inclusion. Scott shares his journey from collegiate athletics to sudden disability, navigating discrimination, depression, and rebuilding purpose through coaching, parenting, and storytelling. Together, they explore what true inclusion looks like, how assumptions limit opportunity, and why “being human” matters more than saying the right thing. Scott also dives into his book Play From Your Heart, blending sport, music, and life lessons that challenge us to rethink learning, leadership, and belonging.Key Takeaways:Redefined Inclusion - Inclusion means creating an equal playing field where opportunity exists and effort—not assumptions—determines outcomes.Identity Shift - Becoming disabled reshaped Scott’s understanding of privilege, discrimination, and how society responds to difference.Learning Through Experience - True growth happens when people are placed in environments where they can try, fail, and learn—without fear.Power of Perspective - Disability didn’t remove Scott’s competitive edge; it sharpened his awareness, resilience, and leadership.Be Human - Inclusion starts by dropping labels and simply showing up as yourself with curiosity and respect.Scott Martin’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is creating an equal playing field where opportunity exists.Scott Martin’s Bio:Scott Martin is an award-winning soccer coach, educator, and advocate for the disability community. Holding an advanced national coaching license, he has spent over 30 years coaching at the select youth, high school, and college levels, earning Coach of the Year honors four times and leading multiple teams to state championships. His expertise has connected him with top coaches in the U.S. and internationally.Recognized for his advocacy, Martin serves as a Global Advisor for Billion Strong, a worldwide disability organization. His journey has been featured in Chicken Soup for the Soul: The Power of Positive, and he is the author of Play From Your Heart (Library Tales Publishing), a memoir that chronicles his remarkable path of perseverance, reinvention, and the unwavering spirit that has guided him forward.Connect with Scott Martin:Website: https://librarytalespublishing.com/collections/scott-martinFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1494323024Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/librarytalespublishing/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-martin-lifesaroadtrip/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 77No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with author and creative thinker Angie Dixon to explore late autism diagnosis, autistic burnout, and what true inclusion really looks like. Angie shares how discovering she was autistic later in life reshaped her identity, creativity, and parenting, and why inclusion means making space before someone has to ask. Together, they discuss masking, multi-passionate creativity, inaccessible systems, and how workplaces and schools can better support neurodivergent people. This conversation is honest, practical, and deeply human—offering insight for parents, educators, leaders, and creatives who want inclusion to move beyond words into action.Key Takeaways:Late Diagnosis Clarity - Discovering autism later in life can bring relief, self-understanding, and connection rather than limitation.Proactive Inclusion - True inclusion means creating space before accommodations are requested.Autistic Burnout - Burnout often looks like depression or laziness, but is really a nervous system overload that requires rest.Creative Difference - Neurodivergent creativity often lives “outside the room,” not just outside the box.Unmasking Matters - Being fully yourself—especially as a parent—gives others permission to do the same.Angie Dixon’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is making space before somebody has to ask for it.Angie Dixon’s Bio:Angie Dixon is an autistic, multipassionate author and creator of The Leonardo Trait and the Unmasked Summit. She helps neurodivergent creatives unmask, beat burnout, and build lives that fit their brilliantly weird brains — with humor, honesty, and a touch of chaos.Connect with Angie Dixon:Website: https://profoundcreativity.com/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 76No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with educator, school principal, author, and autism advocate Jennifer Kaufman to explore inclusion through the lens of grandparenting. Jennifer shares how her professional expertise was deeply reshaped by becoming a grandmother to an autistic grandson. Together, they unpack misconceptions about autism, the importance of shifting expectations, and how grandparents can support families without overstepping. From creating welcoming home environments to offering unconditional acceptance, this conversation offers practical, heartfelt guidance for families, educators, and anyone committed to building more inclusive communities.Key Takeaways:Shift Expectations - Grandparents must let go of preconceived ideas and adapt to what their autistic grandchild truly needs.Unconditional Acceptance - Acceptance—not fixing or curing—is the foundation of meaningful inclusion.Listen First - Supporting parents starts with listening, not advising or correcting.Consistent Environments - Consistency between home, school, and grandparents’ homes helps autistic children thrive.Support, Not Control - Grandparents can advocate effectively by asking permission and respecting parental boundaries.Jennifer Kaufman’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is creating a world where people who are neurodiverse are part of the conversation and we find ways to create environments that are comfortable for them.Jennifer Kaufman’s Bio:My name is Jen Kaufman. As an educational leader and school principal at a specialized school for learners with autism in Paramus, NJ, where I've dedicated my career to supporting students on the spectrum and their families. I'm also proudly Ben's grandma—Ben has autism and is the light of my life. This unique dual perspective has given me invaluable insights that textbooks alone could never provide. Through my professional expertise and experience in autism education and the profound personal journey of being Sam's grandmother, I've discovered strategies and approaches that bridge understanding and create meaningful connections.My passion for helping children with special needs who learn differently has now led me to expand my reach beyond my immediate circle. I'm committed to sharing both my professional knowledge and heartfelt personal experiences to help other grandparents navigate their own journeys with their autistic grandchildren.By standing at this intersection of professional and personal understanding, I offer a unique perspective that resonates with both families and educators, transforming potential challenges into opportunities for deeper connection and joy.Connect with Jennifer Kaufman:Website: https://grandparentingonthespectrum.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GrandparentingontheSpectrumInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/grandparentingonthespectrum/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/genmkaufman/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 75No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with Stephen Wagstaff to explore what it truly means to thrive where life finds you. After a life-altering spinal cord injury at 19, Stephen shares his journey through disability, faith, caregiving, marriage and purpose. Together, they unpack a powerful reframe of inclusion—from doing things for people with disabilities to doing things with them. Stephen also offers honest insight for caregivers facing burnout and introduces the mission behind SwagAbility, a nonprofit walking alongside people through life’s hardest seasons with hope, dignity and practical support.Key Takeaways:Doing With - Inclusion means working with people with disabilities, not just doing things for them, honoring their gifts and agency.Thriving vs Existing - Thriving begins when you find purpose and productivity, even in seasons of pain or limitation.Caregiver Burnout - Caregivers must ask for help, set boundaries, and seek neutral support before resentment takes root.Accepting Help - Learning to receive help can be as transformative as learning to give it.Unwasted Scars - Our hardest experiences can become platforms to serve and bring hope to others.Stephen Wagstaff’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is shifting from doing things "for" people with disabilities to doing things with "them".Stephen Wagstaff’s Bio:Stephen “Swags” Wagstaff is the founder and CEO of SwagAbility, a nonprofit helping people thrive through life’s toughest challenges—disability, caregiving, and trauma recovery. A C5 quadriplegic and former pastor, Stephen shares this mission alongside his wife Julie, a cancer survivor and full-time caregiver. Together, they bring faith, humor, and real-life experience to inspire others to find hope, purpose, and resilience—reminding us all that no matter where life finds you, you can still thrive.Connect with Stephen Wagstaff:Website: https://swagability.com/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SwagAbilityIncYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SwagAbilityliveLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-wagstaff-1a780a279/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 74No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with special education leader and advocate Jake Edgar to unpack what inclusion really looks like in practice. Drawing from nearly 15 years in self-contained classrooms, public schools, and residential behavioral settings, Jake shares why inclusion is a delicate balance—not too little support, not too much. Together, they explore the fears schools face around “getting it wrong,” why trying matters more than perfection, and how parents can confidently navigate the IEP process. This conversation offers practical wisdom, honest reflection, and clear encouragement for parents, educators, and advocates committed to doing inclusion better.Key Takeaways:Balanced Inclusion - Inclusion works best when students feel part of the group without being singled out by over- or under-support.Try First - Schools must be willing to try inclusion options instead of assuming failure before giving students a chance.IEP Understanding - Parents gain power by learning IEP language and asking questions—there are no dumb ones.Ongoing Communication - Strong parent–teacher relationships are built through year-round communication, not one annual meeting.Peers Matter - True inclusion is often driven by peers, not programs—belonging happens in everyday interactions.Jake Edgar’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is making sure everyone feels like they belong with the group by finding the right amount of support and being willing to try, mess up and learn.Jake Edgar’s Bio:Jake Edgar is a special education leader and advocate dedicated to helping children and adolescents with disabilities reach their fullest potential. With experience across self-contained classrooms, inclusive public school settings, and residential care, he brings a well-rounded perspective to supporting diverse learners.He serves as Director of Education at Springbrook Autism Behavioral Health, where he oversees educational programming for autistic students with behavioral and emotional needs, working closely with educators and clinical teams to support individualized growth. Jake is also the founder of the Carolina Special Education Advocacy Group, empowering families to navigate the IEP process and advocate confidently for their children. He hosts the All Abilities, No Filter podcast, amplifying real conversations around disability, inclusion, and education.Connect with Jake Edgar:Podcast Website: https://www.allabilitiesnofilter.com/Work Website: https://springbrookbehavioral.com/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 73No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with Jacob Esser—dad, advocate, and founder of Dads of Down Syndrome—to explore what inclusion really looks like when it’s lived out daily. Jacob shares his powerful definition of inclusion as helping others realize they matter, reflects on his journey into the Down syndrome community through his son Levi, and opens up about the fear, love, and growth that come with an at-birth diagnosis. Together, they discuss the importance of assuming ability, creating spaces for vulnerable connection among dads, and why empowering fathers is critical to stronger families and more inclusive communities.Key Takeaways:Inclusion Is Belonging - Inclusion begins when people truly know they matter, regardless of ability or diagnosis.Assume Ability - Approaching others with respect starts by assuming competence instead of limitations.Dads Need Space - Fathers benefit deeply from spaces designed for vulnerability, honesty, and connection.Shared Experience Heals - Community forms quickly when people connect through lived, shared experiences.Empowered Dads Advocate - When dads are supported, they become stronger advocates for their children and families.Jacob Esser’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is helping others realize that they matter.Jacob Esser’s Bio:Founder and CEO of Dads of Down syndrome (DODs), a certified 501c3 nonprofit organization dedicated to empowering fathers and families navigating the Down syndrome journey while inspiring advocacy along the way!Our mission: Empower Dads, Inspire Advocacy. We empower dads through monthly events that range from roundtable discussions and guest speakers to large-scale events.Develop relationships with fathers, donors, advocates and everyone in between. The DODs mission is designed for fathers to build courage, connection, and community so they return empowered to impact their family systems and communities on a large scale.Connect with Jacob Esser:Website: https://dadsofdownsyndrome.org/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61573932300113#Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dadsofdownsyndromeLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/dads-of-down-syndrome/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dadsofdownsyndromeSPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 72No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron welcomes Dr. David Palmer, educator, advocate, and father of six neurodivergent children, for a powerful conversation about inclusion, belonging, and nervous system regulation. Drawing from his journey as a parent, teacher, and adult diagnosed with ADHD, Dr. Palmer challenges traditional views of behavior, discipline, and compliance. Together, they explore the critical difference between defiance and dysregulation, why regulation must come before discipline, and how adults can “rewire their response” to support children more effectively. This episode offers practical, compassionate insights for parents, educators, and anyone committed to true inclusion.Key Takeaways:Inclusion vs Belonging - Inclusion isn’t just physical placement—it’s authentic belonging as an equal, valued member of the community.Defiance or Dysregulation - Most challenging behavior is a nervous system response, not willful defiance.Seen, Safe, Supported - Children thrive when they feel seen, safe, and supported—connection must come first.Rewire the Response - Adults must regulate themselves before they can help children regulate.Design for Everyone - What supports one child often benefits everyone when designed inclusively.Dr. Palmer’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is being a full-fledged, equal member of a community, where everyone belongs and has the same opportunities to participate.Dr. Palmers Bio:Dr. David A. Palmer is a neurodivergent educator, parent, and speaker on a mission to revolutionize how we understand and respond to kids in emotional distress. With over 30 years in education and a doctorate in special education, Dr. Palmer blends lived experience and neuroscience to challenge outdated discipline models and help adults shift from reaction to regulation.He’s the creator of the Rewire the Response™ framework—a six-step, trauma-informed roadmap that helps parents and educators move from chaos to calm by decoding what behavior is really communicating. His work empowers adults to become the calm, connected leaders their neurodivergent and trauma-impacted kids need most.Through his talks, podcast, and trainings, Dr. Palmer dismantles the “fix the kid” narrative and replaces it with something far more powerful: regulated adults, resilient kids, and relationships that actually heal.Connect with Dr. Palmer:Website: https://www.drdavidapalmer.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/david.palmer.585/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drdavidapalmerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drdapalmer/TedX: https://youtu.be/IMSTuvNlEZU?si=2TvkILQ3cCttsuOKSubStack: https://drdavidapalmer.substack.com/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 71No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with Dr. James Perdue, known as the “Professor of Perseverance,” to talk about resilience, inclusion, and life after a spinal cord injury. James shares the life-altering moment that left him paralyzed, his journey through depression and acceptance, and how perseverance reshaped his purpose. Together, they explore what true inclusion looks like in sports, schools, and public spaces, why accessibility matters before someone asks for it, and how small actions—like recognition and respect—can make a big difference. This conversation is a powerful reminder that inclusion starts with seeing people as fully human.Key Takeaways:One More Play - One unexpected moment can change everything, but it doesn’t have to define the end of your story.Accessible First - If spaces aren’t accessible, people won’t show up—access must come before participation.Power of Perseverance - Progress isn’t about perfection, but choosing to keep moving forward despite limitations.Asking for Help - Learning to ask for help isn’t weakness—it’s wisdom and energy-saving survival.Everyday Inclusion - Inclusion starts with simple acts like acknowledging people and treating them as visible and valued.Dr. Perdue’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is making sure everyone who wants to participate has the opportunity to do so.Dr. Perdue’s Bio:James became a quadriplegic, dislocating three vertebrae in his neck, from playing a football game. The doctor said, "James, I'm sorry. You'll never walk again and you might be paralyzed from your neck down." Later, the doctor advised his family to place him in a nursing home; he would be too much of a burden for them to take care of.Dr. James Perdue, Professor of Perseverance, worked hard to achieve success as an award-winning educator and coaching a state championship team. As a motivational / inspirational speaker, best selling author, and life coach, James helps people get out of their past, step into their future, and persevere to their future.Connect with Dr. Perdue:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/james.perdueeddInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/professorofperseverance/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesperduespeaks/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessorofPerseverancePodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/professor-of-perseverance-podcast/id1518353436SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 70No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with Tim Villegas, Director of Communications for the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education and founder of the Think Inclusive podcast. Tim shares his personal journey from special education teacher to national inclusion advocate and unpacks what inclusion really means beyond placement. Together, they explore why leadership buy-in is essential, how belonging reframes divisive conversations around DEI, and why community sustains inclusive change. This conversation offers practical insights, hope, and clear reminders that inclusive education is not only possible—it’s already happening in powerful ways across the country.Key Takeaways:Inclusion Mindset - Inclusion is not just where students are placed, but an intentional mindset paired with daily practice.Leadership Buy-In - Sustainable inclusion only happens when school and district leaders are fully committed.Belonging Matters - Belonging reframes inclusion as a human need, not a political concept.Systems Change - Segregation often persists because systems haven’t learned a better way—not because of ill intent.Community Support - Staying connected with like-minded advocates is essential to sustaining inclusive work.Tim Villegas’ definition of inclusion:Inclusion is being intentional about creating spaces where everyone belongs and actively removing barriers that prevent full participation.Tim Villegas’ Bio:Tim Villegas is an internationally recognized expert in inclusive education and has been the Director of Communications at MCIE since 2020. With over 16 years of experience as a special education teacher and program specialist, Tim, a self-described inclusionist, has been a strong advocate for learners with extensive support needs to be included in general education settings.He launched the Think Inclusive blog and podcast in 2012, producing over 200 episodes. Tim has also appeared on over 20 podcasts and presented at numerous conferences. In 2020, he founded the newsletter The Weeklyish and, in 2023, produced the audio documentary series Inclusion Stories.At MCIE, Tim leads the communications and marketing efforts, leveraging his extensive background to promote inclusive education.Connect with Tim Villegas:Website: https://mcie.org/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/timvillegas78Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therealtimvegasLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timvillegas/Podcast: https://pod.link/583456652SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 69No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with neuroinclusion expert and therapist Pasha Marlowe for a powerful conversation about what true inclusion really looks like. Together, they unpack late-in-life neurodivergent discovery, challenge limiting societal norms, and explore how leaders can build workplaces that honor all minds and bodies. Pasha shares actionable insights on expanding the definition of neurodivergence, navigating opposing needs, and rethinking labels that often restrict rather than support. This heartfelt discussion also weaves in Aaron’s lived experiences parenting his daughter, offering a grounded reminder that inclusion is both deeply personal and always possible.Key Takeaways:Expanded Neurodivergence – Neurodivergence extends far beyond ADHD and autism, encompassing any way of thinking or functioning that diverges from societal norms.Needs Over Labels – Leaders should focus on people’s needs, not diagnoses, to create psychologically safe and inclusive environments.Opposing Needs Exist – Inclusion requires navigating conflicting sensory and accessibility needs with creativity, flexibility, and respect.Systems Must Shift – Language, testing, and assumptions often pathologize people unnecessarily, and these systems need to be challenged.Awareness Creates Change – Personal exposure often opens people’s eyes to barriers; staying curious and questioning norms is key to inclusion.Pasha Marlowe’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is the active practice of welcoming and involving all minds and bodies, ensuring everyone is part of the conversations and decisions that impact them.Pasha Marlowe’s Bio:I believe people thrive when they feel safe, respected, and valued at work and home.My favorite work is exploring the intersections of neurodiversity, culture, & leadership.I am a therapist, coach, speaker, author, mother to 3 amazing humans, and an avid world traveler.With over 30 years of experience working with teams and clients with a diversity of marginalized identities, I highly value inclusive and affirming cultures.I believe real change happens through conversation, curiosity, and connection. When relationships are rooted in respect, people feel safe to show up fully at work and home.I’m a heart-led leader and self-proclaimed soft skills “softy,” known for blending evidence-based insight with storytelling, humor, and a deep understanding of relational intelligence.My work is grounded, human, and often delightfully outside the box.Connect with Pasha Marlowe:Website: https://pashamarlowe.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pasha.marloweInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/neuroqueercoach/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pashamarlowe/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@neuroqueercoachYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PashaMarloweSPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:NoCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 68No - 92☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with psychotherapist and neurodiversity educator Lila Low-Beinart for a powerful conversation on what true inclusion looks like from the inside out. Lila shares her lived experience as a neurodivergent clinician, the roots of neurodiversity-affirming therapy, and how understanding—not fixing—is the foundation of belonging. Together they explore trauma, masking, Buddhist psychology, productivity myths, and the societal forces that shape how we value people. This episode challenges us to rethink “normal,” embrace difference, and take meaningful steps toward creating environments where everyone can thrive.Key Takeaways:Understanding First – Inclusion begins with deeply understanding someone’s lived experience before taking action.Different, Not Broken – Neurodivergence is difference, not deficiency, and therapy should support identity rather than “fix” traits.Masking Harms – The pressure to appear “normal” leads many neurodivergent people to mask, which is linked to poorer mental health outcomes.Productivity Reframed – Neuro-affirming productivity focuses on flow, ease, and sustainability—not hours worked or capitalist expectations.Normalize Difference – The concept of “normal” is historically constructed; a truly inclusive world values every person’s unique way of being.Lila Low-Beinart’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is first understanding a person’s lived experience so you truly see what they need, and then taking intentional action to remove barriers and create spaces where they can fully belong and participate.Lila Low-Beinart’s Bio:Lila Low-Beinart [Lye-La Low Bay-Nart] is a psychotherapist, consultant, and neurodiversity educator who brings a unique blend of professional expertise and lived experience to her work. She provides neurodiversity-affirming therapy and runs specialized training programs for therapists and organizations. Her work supports clinicians in becoming the most effective and skillful version of themselves, and guides organizations to build truly affirming environments.Connect with Lila Low-Beinart:Website: https://www.divergentpathscounseling.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DivergentPathsCounseling/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/divergent.paths.counseling/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lila-low-beinart-48469658/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 68No - 91☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with educator and inclusive literacy expert Jennifer Orr to explore how early learning, empathy, and universal design create meaningful access for every child. Jennifer shares her journey as both an educator and parent, the research behind her multisensory Eyewords approach, and how designing instruction with intention transforms confidence and belonging. Together, they discuss literacy gaps, parent–school collaboration, and why inclusion must begin before the first lesson is taught. This conversation empowers families, educators, and advocates to create learning environments where every child can thrive.Key Takeaways:Universal Design First — Inclusion is strongest when accessibility is built into instruction from the beginning, not added after students struggle.Empathy in Action — Understanding a child’s barriers allows educators to design learning that meets real needs instead of assuming lack of ability.Multisensory Literacy — Eyewords uses visual, auditory, movement, and play-based methods to strengthen neural pathways for decoding and fluency.Parent–School Partnership — When families and educators work as a team, children experience more consistent and confident reading support.Play Drives Learning — Engagement, fun, and movement must stay central to structured literacy or many learners will disconnect.Jennifer Orr’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion means intentionally designing environments where every learner can access, participate and feel valued by building in accessibility from the very beginning.Jennifer Orr’s Bio:Jennifer Orr is an award-winning educator with over 27 years of exemplary service in the field of education. With a distinguished career as a classroom teacher, special education and ELL specialist, and system leader, she has consistently demonstrated her commitment to nurturing academic excellence and inclusivity. Her expertise in early childhood education (grades K-3) has been instrumental in developing and implementing innovative, evidence-based strategies that support diverse learners.Throughout her career, Jennifer has been a leader in advancing inclusive education. She has dedicated herself to designing and promoting effective instructional practices that address the unique needs of multilingual students, ensuring they receive the support necessary to thrive academically. Her influential work and research in the field of multisensory phonics has shaped policies and practices that benefit all learners.As a passionate researcher and international speaker, Jennifer is the founder of Eyewords—an initiative committed to creating multisensory phonemic literacy materials specifically tailored for English Language Learners. Eyewords supports foundational literacy by providing cutting-edge resources that empower educators to build strong foundational reading skills fostering academic success in diverse classroom settings.Connect with Jennifer Orr:Website: https://www.eyewords.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/eyewordslearningInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/eyewordslearningLinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-orr-eyewordsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@eyewords4565TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@eyewordslearningSPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 67No - 91☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with educator, author, and cultural consultant Jebeh Edmunds for a rich conversation on inclusion, cultural responsiveness, and the power of storytelling. Jebeh shares her journey from Liberian immigrant to teacher, entrepreneur, and bestselling author, offering practical insights for building classrooms and communities where everyone belongs. Together, they explore invisible identities, global perspectives on disability, and simple daily actions that make inclusion real. This inspiring episode will challenge you to see your neighbors, students, and community with deeper compassion and curiosity.Key Takeaways:Inclusive Mindset – Inclusion means welcoming people fully, no matter what identities or experiences they carry.Cultural Responsiveness – Every student has culture; small, consistent practices can integrate it into daily learning.Power of Story – Storytelling shapes identity, preserves history, and opens doors to empathy.Community Matters – Inclusion thrives when communities stay connected, supportive, and engaged.Simple Actions – A greeting, a smile, or a moment of recognition can make someone feel seen.Jebeh Edmund’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is bringing everybody to the table without even questioning who they are and if they're worthy to be at that table.Jebeh Edmund’s Bio:Jebeh Edmunds is the founder and CEO of Jebeh Cultural Consulting LLC and the author of the upcoming novel The Orange Blossom (October 2025). With over 18 years of experience as an educator, she is recognized for her impactful presentations on diversity, African and African-American heritage, and cultural competency. Jebeh holds a bachelor’s degree in Communication from the University of Minnesota Duluth, a post-bachelor’s teaching certificate, and a Master of Science in Teaching from The College of St. Scholastica. She is also the former Director of Education with the Duluth Area Chamber of Commerce. Jebeh lives in Duluth, Minnesota, with her husband, Andy, and their two sons, Maxwell and Mateo.Connect with Jebeh Edmund:Website: https://jebehedmunds.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063708180388Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/culturallyjebeh_/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jebeh-edmunds-ms-teaching-3b9334101/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd22jkdaivSe6Qp-W0WOriAPodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cultural-curriculum-chat-with-jebeh-edmunds/id1548161373SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:YesCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 66No - 91☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with author and advocate Hilary Hodge to explore the realities of parenting with a chronic condition. Hilary shares her journey through severe asthma and Addison’s disease, the lack of resources for parents navigating hospitalizations, and why she wrote a book to fill that gap. Together, they discuss guilt, identity, invisible struggles, communication scripts, and building supportive community. This conversation shines a light on the daily resilience of millions of parents worldwide and offers practical tools for raising children while managing unpredictable health challenges.Key Takeaways:Big-Tent Inclusion — Chronic conditions affect millions, and Hilary emphasizes broad, compassionate definitions that make space for anyone who identifies with the experience.Guilt Reframed — Parents often feel they’re “not enough,” yet their lived experiences and intentionality often make them extraordinary caregivers.Normalize the Conversation — Honest, age-appropriate scripts help children understand health conditions without fear, pairing information with reassurance.Community Matters — Finding or building supportive networks reduces isolation and helps families feel seen, understood, and empowered.Ask for Help Wisely — Support doesn’t have to be huge; small reciprocal acts create sustainable systems of care for families managing chronic illness.Hilary Hodge’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is that parents feel seen because so much of living with a chronic condition is invisible.Hilary Hodge’s Bio:A champion of parents with chronic health conditions, Hilary’s writing and classes provide parents with age-appropriate strategies, tools, and scripts for talking to their children about their illness, hospitalizations, medical emergencies, heritable conditions, and much more.As a mother with two diseases, Hilary draws on her own experience as well as more than 100 hours of interviews with parents, child psychologists, teachers, and medical professionals. Hilary has worked as an author and editor for Oxford and Cambridge University Presses, Pearson, and National Geographic. She is also an adult education expert and served for many years as the Associate Vice Chancellor of Adult Education for the City Colleges of Chicago. She is currently finishing the book The Art of Parenting While Sick.She is the patient co-chair of the severe asthma arm of the European Respiratory Society and leads frequent trainings to help families plan for medical emergencies.She holds a BA in Spanish, Italian, and Philosophy from Kenyon College and an MA in Linguistics from the University of Florida. She is the Director of the Angers Literary Festival and lives in the Loire Valley in France with her husband and son.Connect with Hilary Hodge:Website: https://hilaryhodge.net/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hilary.hodge.7Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hilaryhodge/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hilary-hodge-216b6110/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:NoCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 65No - 91☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron sits down with speaker and change-navigation expert Laura Bratton to explore her journey of losing sight as a teenager and learning to live fully in a sighted world. Laura shares powerful insights on self-respect, faith, grit, and gratitude as tools for navigating life’s most challenging transitions. Together, they unpack the true meaning of inclusion, the importance of validating emotions, and the everyday accommodations that make independence possible. This heartfelt conversation offers practical wisdom for anyone experiencing change, grief, or moments of self-doubt.Key Takeaways:Self-Respect First – Inclusion begins with respecting yourself; it naturally extends into how you treat others.Validate Emotions – Healing starts by acknowledging feelings like fear, grief, or anxiety instead of suppressing them.Grit Redefined – Grit isn’t pushing through blindly; it’s choosing small, consistent steps toward long-term goals.Gratitude as Fuel – Gratitude isn’t for adversity itself, but for what helps you navigate through it.Accommodations Empower – Tools like Siri, Alexa, screen readers, canes, and guide dogs make independence possible, not exceptional.Laura Bratton’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is respect. For us to respect ourselves and respect other people.Laura Bratton’s Bio:Laura was born and raised in South Carolina. At the age of nine, Laura was diagnosed with an eye disease and faced the difficult reality that she would become blind. Over the next ten years, she experienced the traumatic transition of adjusting to life without sight.  Laura adjusted to her new normal and was able to move forward in life as she graduated from Arizona State University with a BA in psychology. She then was the first blind student to receive her Masters of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary.  She is the author of the book Harnessing Courage. Laura founded Ubi Global, which is an organization that provides speaking and coaching to empower all people to overcome challenges and obstacles with grit and gratitude.Connect with Laura Bratton:Website: https://www.laurabratton.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-bratton-speaking/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:NoCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 65No - 90☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to create videos like this? Check out StreamYard: ⁠https://streamyard.com/pal/d/6041699795730432⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad podcast, host AAron welcomes Joshua Dvorkin—a psychotherapist, coach, and spinal cord injury survivor—who shares his extraordinary journey of defying medical odds and rebuilding his life after a life-changing accident. Joshua opens up about resilience, gratitude, and the mindset shift that turned tragedy into purpose. Together, they explore how lived experiences shape inclusion, why accessibility still has far to go, and how personal transformation fuels advocacy. This powerful conversation challenges listeners to see disability through a lens of strength, humanity, and possibility.Key Takeaways:Power of Belief — Joshua’s recovery began when he refused to accept medical predictions and chose possibility over limitation.Redefining Inclusion — Inclusion extends beyond disability—it’s about creating a barrier-free society for everyone.Mindset Matters — Our beliefs shape our realities; shifting from limitation to gratitude transforms how we live and connect.Lived Experience as Wisdom — Joshua’s own injury informs his therapeutic work, helping others reclaim identity and meaning.Everyday Inclusion — Real inclusion starts by seeing people as individuals, not categories, and valuing diverse perspectives.Joshua Dvorkin’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is when the society we live in is as barrier-free as possible, where everyone can exist and where we can learn from one another and really exchange life experiences.Joshua Dvorkin’s Bio:I am Joshua Dvorkin—psychotherapist, reclamation coach, founder of Headway Mental Health, business owner, consultant, speaker, survivor.I am someone who fell, who broke, who was told life was over—and who chose to write a different story.I live with paralysis and my puppy Pepper, but both allow me to live with possibility.I navigate challenge, but I walk in purpose.And my mission is to help others do the same: to reclaim their story, to align with their authentic self, and to unleash the power of possibility in their own lives.Connect with Joshua Dvorkin:Website: https://headwaymentalhealth.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/headway.mental.healthFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/headwayhelpsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-dvorkin-headwayhelps/SPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:NoCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 65No - 89☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to create videos like this? Check out StreamYard: ⁠https://streamyard.com/pal/d/6041699795730432⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad Podcast, host AAron welcomes artist, activist, and art therapist Zian Chavez, producer of the award-winning documentary We Are the Most Beautiful People: Adults with Disabilities. Zian shares their journey as a queer, non-binary, neurodiverse, Spanish, Indigenous, New Mexican living with multiple sclerosis, and how lived experience fueled their global movement for disability equity and dignity. Together, Aaron and Zian explore redefining beauty, dismantling systemic barriers, and the power of empathy in everyday inclusion. This conversation is both inspiring and grounding—a call to move from inclusion to liberation for people with disabilities worldwide.Key Takeaways:Redefining Beauty – Zian’s film reframes beauty through the lived experiences of adults with disabilities, making it an act of affirmation and resistance.Inclusion vs. Liberation – Inclusion isn’t enough; Zian urges society to move toward full liberation, where everyone already belongs.Global Movement – The documentary connects stories across continents, proving disability inclusion is a universal human issue.Everyday Empathy – Simple acts like eye contact or saying hello can begin dismantling fear and stigma around disability.Indigenous Wisdom – Many Indigenous cultures naturally include all members—offering models for true belonging that modern societies can learn from.Zian Chavez’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion must be intentionally designed and maintained through specific actions, policies and practices. We need to remove systemic barriers.Zian Chavez’s Bio:Zian (she/they) is a Spanish, Indigenous, New Mexican, queer, non-binary, neurodiverse, artist, activist, Art Therapist and film producer. She was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1993. They also live with anxiety, depression, chronic pain, and a cognitive and speech impairment. They also live unapologetically with an exorbitant abundance of love and respect for all humans. She’s lived in California, New Mexico, Guam, Hawaii, Spain, England and Portland, Oregon. They went to grad school at southwestern college in Santa Fe, New Mexico for a dual degree in Art Therapy and counseling. After grad school she moved to Portland, Oregon and started working with different nonprofits working with adults with disabilities. For the past 7 years, Zian has been an Art Therapist working with HIV positive Oregonians. They are the producer of a new disability documentary called, "We are the Most Beautiful People | Adults with Disabilities".Connect with Zian Chavez:Website: https://wearethemostbeautifulpeople.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wearethemostbeautifulpeopleFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/WATMBP/?_rdrLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zianchavezwatmbpllc/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@wearethemostbeautifulpeopleSPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:NoCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 65No - 88☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to create videos like this? Check out StreamYard: ⁠https://streamyard.com/pal/d/6041699795730432⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠

In this episode of The Inclusive Dad Podcast, host AAron sits down with Dr. Vaish Sarathy — educator, scientist, and mom to an 18-year-old non-speaking poet with Down syndrome and autism. Together they unpack what it truly means to “assume intelligence aggressively,” challenging outdated ideas about IQ, communication, and learning potential. Vaish shares her journey from chemistry PhD to pioneering inclusive education for neurodivergent learners and reveals how empathy, patience, and dismantling bias can transform how we see and support every human being. This conversation is both deeply personal and powerfully practical for parents, educators, and advocates alike.Key Takeaways:Assume Intelligence Aggressively – Move beyond “presuming competence” to fully believing in every learner’s potential, even without conventional proof.Redefining Inclusion – True inclusion means equitable access to opportunity, not just sharing the same space.Education Without Limits – Non-speaking or minimally speaking students can excel in advanced subjects when given meaningful instruction.Empathy with Strength – Real empathy recognizes intelligence and worth in everyone, not just sympathy.Dismantle Assumptions – Challenge ingrained biases linking speech, movement, or appearance to intelligence.Dr. Vaish’s definition of inclusion:Inclusion is the availability of the opportunities without any lowering and without any purposeful dumbing down and without any presuming that this person cannot do it.Dr. Vaish Sarathy’s Bio:After years of running behind degrees (I have two masters and a Ph.D.), I realized 14 years ago that none of the degrees had taught me how to help my son (who was born with Down Syndrome and was later diagnosed as being Autistic) learn anything.  Worse, experts in Autism Education had no idea either. One look at him, and EVERY practitioner I met told me that genetics could not be helped, and I must resign to having a child who would experience extreme intellectual delay with minimal chances at life!His teachers even said he was one of the most intellectually delayed kids they had worked with.When I dipped into my depression, my anger, my frustration, and came out through them on the other side, I simply knew that THIS WAS NOT TRUE. It couldn’t be (my ego did some of the heavy lifting here- after all I was so smart, why wouldn't he be?).So I decided to figure it out myself. I was already teaching some neurotypical students Math and Chemistry by then.I knew how every kid could learn. I knew labels were mostly for the convenience of the system.So I dug in deep. And fast forward, my son is 18, HE HAS LEARNT ALGEBRA, HE WRITES POETRY, and yes, he is still non-speaking! In fact, his first book will be published by a major publishing house in Fall 2025. I believe that cognition is a faculty available to children of any disability / label.“An equal accessible education and sound nutrition are the birthright of every child!”Connect with Dr. Vaish:Website: https://www.drvaishsarathy.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drvaishsarathy/Listen to her Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/non-linear-learning-rethinking-education-for-neurodivergent/id1478145610Watch Her TEDx Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/vaishnavi_sarathy_who_decides_how_smart_you_areSPAM© Count:Host:YesCurrent Guest:NoCumulative Guest Stats:Yes - 65No - 87☕ Buy me a Coffee: ⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/theinclusivedad⁠Subscribe to Podcast Newsletter: ⁠https://www.theinclusivedad.com/podcastupdates⁠Want to create videos like this? Check out StreamYard: ⁠https://streamyard.com/pal/d/6041699795730432⁠Want to be a guest on Inclusion and Advocacy from a Parent's Perspective: The Inclusive Dad? Send Aaron DeVries a message on PodMatch, here: ⁠https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/theinclusivedad⁠