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We're going to step away from the podcast, but the episodes, website, and social media accounts will remain.Reach out if you have questions or want to say hi, and thanks for listening!What led us to this decision...
Well first, why did we start?
We wanted to talk about things we're interested in
We wanted practical tips, not the productivity trap
We were feeling the courage to experiment
What decisions made us want to stop?
Growth was plateauing
We did the exercises in Traction by Gabriel Wineberg
Learned that growth would require more time and money
We were already constrained by both
We both want to focus on fewer initiatives in 2020
What we learned from the show
Struggles that we learned from
Fully understanding marketing
Productivity is a diluted and saturated topic
Importance of organization
Balancing guests and topics
The happy, fun, growing, learning side
Over 5,000 downloads
Documenting processes, scheduling, and content
Leo’s growth
Interview skills
Organization
Recruitment
Self-reflection
Erik’s growth
Learning from guests and each other
Improved image design that continues to be used in other projects
Channeling nervous energy into talkative yip-yap
Related episodes
001. A Sleepy Episode
009. Working On Your Own Episode
012. Saying No Episode
025. Productive Podcasting
031. Clear your Calendar! with Justin Jackson
Big thanks to our listeners and these amazing contributors:❤️ Leah Fitch❤️ Jonathan Baillie Strong❤️ Will Gant❤️ Christian Genco❤️ Peta Sena❤️ Jessica D'Amico❤️ Tim Mitra❤️ Justin Jackson❤️ Allison Spooner❤️ Sophia Dagnon❤️ Laura Lopuch❤️ Julien Borrelli
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Differences between 2018 and 2019
Erik fully embraced Notion for planning
Leo switched from Todoist to a spreadsheet
Mastermind meetings for group accountability
Leo's Year in Review
Improvements to health
Successful speaking engagements
A consistent schedule with podcasts
Successful at writing output
Audience improvements:
+156.32% at Learning Swift
+12.85% at BrightDigit
+726.15% at LeoGDion
Future Improvements include email, more video, and audience research
Erik's Year in Review
Came up with whole-year goals and broke down into quarterly, monthly, and weekly lists
Also made weekly and monthly habits checklists
About 20-30% of the anticipated objectives and habits changed over the year
The habits that stuck were those that Erik had the most direct control, like stretching and diet
The items that changed or were not met the most typically involved other people or deep research
Erik's biggest regret: not enough "for-fun, but also is work" tasks
Erik's biggest desire to change: more regular date nights
Leo referred Erik to Derek Sivers' article: Stay in touch with hundreds of people
What's being cut in 2020
Leo's stepping away from organizing meetups and local networking
Erik is getting away from nonprofit administration, business social media management, and the status quo of local tech events
We're stepping away from the podcast, too. More on that in the next episode!
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Introduction
Laura's first email tip: write so the recipient will imagine how their life could be
How to discover a love of email as a paralegal
Realizing skills, eight years later
The benefits of setting weekly email goals
Treat email correspondence as a journey
Wait 2 to 3 business days before the first followup
Two types of cold email: making a pitch and making a connection
Anatomy of a Cold Email
Where are people with your problem going to talk about their problem?
Explain why you chose the recipient over everyone else
Start a close relationship with your contact and compliment them
Prove a hypothesis, they should agree with each statement you make
All of those small yesses lead toward a yes on the big ask
Avoid exit language
Avoid asking for more than one thing
Tools
Streak, CRM for Gmail
Boomerang
Crystal Knows
Laura Lopuch online
@waitingtoberead on Twitter
lauralopuch.com
How to double your conversion rate on cold outreach, a recap of Laura's talk at Microconf
How to Optimize for Replies on Your Cold Emails on Laura’s blog
I used cold emails to 14x my freelance copywriting business. Here’s how. on Copy Hackers
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Getting your foot in the door
Sophia's specialty and how she got there from archaeology
How UpWork led to better pay in writing
Dealing with the lack of comfort
An approach to desiring income without being sleazy
Making transactions mutually beneficial
People don’t buy stuff, they buy solutions to problems
How does your customer think about the solutions to their problems?
How to ask the right questions to better understand your customer
Improving pitches by trying different things
How to reach your customers
The platforms with the lowest barriers or are easiest to self-promote
Copy Hackers (Joanna Web sp.?)
Researching, writing a lot, and sharing content where it will be read
Understanding your reader’s familiarity and how informed they are
Knowing what it will take for a reader to take action (lots of specific tips here!)
Focus on and measure one action that you want your readers to take
Tips for getting started
Low-risk and simple ways a person can practice self-promotion
Reframe risk as an opportunity or something good for you
Ways to manage the ever-present emotions that come when taking chances
Are there books or other sources where people can learn more on the topic
Follow Copy Hackers
Read Drive by Daniel Pink
Read Influence by Robert Cialdini
Read Breakthrough Advertising by Eugene Schwartz
Where to find Sophia Dagnon
@SophiaDagnon on Twitter
sophiadagnon.com
Sophia Dagnon on LinkedIn
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Introductions
NaNoWriMo and flash fiction
Allison Spooner is the author of Flash in the Dark and The Problem with Humans
Find Allison online at spoonfulstyle.com or @allyspoon
Outsource your writing parameters
Accountability through writing groups, events, and contests
Benefits of deadlines, prompts, settings, and other writing constraints
Outlining and other ways to complete a novel in small pieces
Writing exercises and parameters that help you get better with practice
Telling a story with Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey
Tips for writing when you need some structure
Methods for practicing writing
Look for random writing prompts online or in your physical environment
Start small, like 500 words
Go to writing events near you
Try writing at different times and with different techniques to find what works best for you
Donald Miller's 5 Writing Tips
Make your customer the hero of your business' stories
Write for fun, define writing success for you, and a little progress is still progress
Scale up to make a novel
One flash fiction story per day will help you reach your NaNoWriMo goal
Come up with writing prompts for the whole month in advance
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In this episode
What does a "cleared" calendar look like?
How can clearing the calendar improve one's productivity?
Why you shouldn't fill up your calendar with work if you are self-employed
A clear calendar is open to interruptions and stimulates creativity
How to stay focused and avoid getting lost in free time
How to be healthy active on social media
An experiment that you can try at home or at the office
How clearing the calendar can be used by employees at traditional or regimented offices
How to observe the benefits of unstructured or free time
Other ways to experiment with your calendar and free time
Related links
Justin’s talk on YouTube
Justin is the co-founder of Transistor.fm
Learn more about Justin at JustinJackson.ca
Follow @mijustin on Twitter
Justin (megajustin) livestreams on Twitch
Books by Basecamp
Shape Up by Ryan Singer
11 Reasons Why You Should Schedule Free Time For Yourself by Glenn Santos
Related Episodes
003. Goals and Actions Episode
006. Top Disciplines Episode
009. Working On Your Own Episode
019. The Optimization Trap
020. Multitasking
021. Staying Organized with Idea Management
023. 3 Hat Productivity with Christian Genco
027. Productive Creativity with Pete Sena
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Where to find Tim Mitra online
@TimMitra on Twitter
Host of the More Than Just Code Podcast and Spockcast
Cohost of RoundaboutFM
it-guy.com
Author of How to Keep Learning After 50
Tim's SwiftTO talk about Neuroplasticity
Neuroplasticity
Why should we keep learning?
Neuroplasticity in simple terms
The advantage of learning in 45-minute spurts
Compound learning:
Short-term memories
Long-term memories through repetition
Micro-skill development (building functions in the brain)
Breaks help move memories from one level to the next
Use communication to reinforce learning
Explain and seek confirmation
The rubber ducking technique
Using emoji to punctuate words with emotion
What the ~ at the end of a Tweet or text means
Applying learning concepts to unlearning
The amygdala typically makes statements
The neocortex typically asks questions
Self-monitor and ask yourself questions to consciously replace habits
Related links
Brainjo's Breakthrough Banjo Course
Dr. Lara Boyd's TEDx Talk about Neuroplasticity
Because Internet: Understanding the New Rules of Language by Gretchen McCulloch
Related episodesMultitasking
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In this episode
The value in public speaking for you and your audience
How to understand your audience by researching the conference
Different ways to organize a talk: story-telling, LEGO instructions, fireside chat, speed dating, and more
How to handle interruptions and questions
Following up with your audience after your talk
Tips for promoting yourself and your work without giving a sales pitch
Practice: it smooths out the wrinkles and lets your confidence shine
Different ways to practice your talk before the big event
Use simple slides, don't switch apps, use a clicker, more words, fewer pictures, use notes
Observe your body language, tone, pace, and filler words
How to turn your nervousness into confidence and excitement
Get extra practice at Toastmasters, meetups, and lunch-and-learns, but remember to get feedback
Figure out what to speak about by considering past conference topics, your own expertise, whatever excites you, and where you want to grow
How to find speaking gigs and tips for getting accepted to speak
Special thanks to
Justin Jackson
Kristen Belcher
Mohammad Faani
Olivia Liddell
Patrick Masi
Related episodesEvent Planning with Jessica D'Amico
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Where we plan events
Erik: Lansing Codes
Leo: Lansing Marketing Hackers
Jess: Peers Conference
As self-employed folks, events are a great way to get feedback from others and learn new things. Part of productivity isn’t just about doing it all yourself, but also about reaching out to others and educating yourself.Getting started with event planning
Organizing an event as a way to connect people that can help each other out
Events have many benefits including establishing oneself in a community, educating others, reinforcing skills, developing new skills, and opportunities to travel
Find speakers by paying attention to who's talking online and offer a way to accept proposals
Find sponsors and volunteers by picking ambassadors who know an area well and are eager to ask others for help
For a first event, start small, set reasonable goals, and keep logistics such as room size in mind
As an event grows, try different things to keep things fresh and understand what the audience wants
Some ways to get participants contributing:
Ask "what are you working on?"
Ask an audience about the challenges they face
Host speed-dating style events
Think about formats you've never used before
Consider the power dynamics at your event
Pick a venue that is physically accessible and easy to get to
Reach a wider audience by repeating your message a lot, talk about what you're doing, help people be seen, offer discounts and free tickets to underrepresented people
Twitter is a great place to practice talking to and helping others
There will be challenges
Start locally and keep it simple to avoid unnecessary challenges
Make sure to cover the basic necessities like water and bathrooms
Help everyone feel welcome
Don't make the event a sales pitch
Pay attention to the things that feel right
Paying a venue to manage logistics can reduce the stress and planning you need to do, but can cost more and seem less authentic
Have a few backup speakers or audience members who can wing a conversation
Layout a logistics plan down to the minute
Audiences are often sympathetic when challenges arise
Write down the things you want to pay attention to and keep it in mind when reading tweets, considering proposals, etc.
Make sure your profiles on social media direct people where you want them to get involved
Have a Code of Conduct and be clear about it
Train on important issues like how to remove a disruptor and what to do in a medical emergency
You can’t have a plan for everything, but planning helps prepare for the unexpected things too
Be selective about where you’re spending your time
Emulate people you think are doing it well
Useful tools
Google Sheets for budget tracking
TypeForm for forms and surveys
Zapier for scheduling and automating communication
Trello for task management
Twitter Lists for reaching and connecting people
TweetBot to more effectively navigate Twitter
Buffer for scheduling social media
Slack for coordinating with your team
Where to find Jess
Twitter: @justjessdc
Peers Conference
DC Women Who Code
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Introduction
Pete Sena (@petesena) is the founder, CEO, and CCO of Digital Surgeons, a design, branding, and digital marketing consultancy
Pete explains his responsibilities as Chief Creative Officer
The intersection of creativity and productivity
Create / Produce vs. Creativity / Productivity
The seesaw of effectiveness and efficiency
Creativity is born from curiosity
Productivity is how people are a pro at their craft
Critical thinking is important for becoming great creatives
Being "Creatively productive"
"Creativity is just connecting things." -Steve Jobs
"My powers are ordinary. Only my application brings me success." -Isaac Newton
Understanding shortcuts
Repetitive vs. Unique
Managing creative duties and other responsibilities
How productivity differs in a CEO and a CCO role
“Labels are important but be careful how they define and limit you”
Set a vision
Remove obstacles
Methods for giving all roles the attention they need
Mitigating affronts to productivity in different roles
Tips for managing creative people
Stop managing creative people!
Understand their motivations and enable them
Servant leadership
Daniel Pink’s Drive: three intrinsic motivators
Problems that are unique to creative teams and their work
Pete's advice for a new manager of a creative team
Dividing work up in a creative team
Find out why work is important to the team and client
Translating the needs and wants of the client
Look at team members, project requirements, brands, rules, etc.
Logistical planning meetings for dividing tasks and ensuring consistent messaging
Create concepts to review
Find opportunities for people to collaborate
Cultivating a creative skill
Critical thinking is clearly listening to the intention of the person who is saying or writing something
Design thinking exercises
Combine uncommon things (three columns exercise)
Idea discussion > brainstorming
Keep using it. If you’re not, then the skill will diminish.
Outside of work: make a vision board, mash sources from media (e.g. magazines)
Improving a creative skill over lunch breaks
Why do you want to start that creative thing? (5 why’s)
If there are multiple answers, split them up and explore them
Elon Musk's first-principles thinking
Use existing tools, read, and watch others
Micro progress and the power of getting started, a James Clear interview
Make a game out of it
Other ways someone can grow a creative skill
The importance of motivation, inspiration, technique, gumption, and experience
Knowing where to focus your energy when developing a skill
Related links
Digital Surgeons
Warren Berger’s Three-Part Method for More Creativity on Farnam Street
Pete Sena blogs about productivity on Medium
Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott for better writing
Write Dumb: Writing Better By Thinking Less by James Dowd
Related episodes
017. Atomic Habits by James Clear - Part 1
018. Atomic Habits by James Clear - Part 2
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How to build momentum in your day
First, have a good night of sleep (see episode 1)
Erik drinks a high-calorie, low-sugar coffee shake (thanks, gallbladder) before doing anything else in the morning.
Energy (calories) and caffeine work well to kickstart the day so long as they're not overdone
What part of your day has the most momentum? (morning, afternoon, night)
It may depend on what you'll be doing (see "Have a plan to follow" below).
Identify which tasks you have planned and how they will affect your energy.
If you have something planned that requires lots of prolonged focus, engage "no distractions" mode.
If you have something planned that you have to split up (because of meetings or other interruptions) or it's something you don't have sustained energy for (making lots of phone calls), consider spreading the tasks out with pomodoros or other tasks.
Avoid distractions when getting in the "flow"
Use Do-Not-Disturb when you can. Otherwise, consider turning off notifications for non-critical functions like Slack, email, etc. so you can still receive phone calls. This is especially useful for parents!
Even easier parenting trick: set your phone across the room so you can still take calls, but you won't see all the other distracting notifications
Don’t check email — there are apps and extensions to help with this!
Work on a task for 10-20 minutes to build some momentum
If you need to focus, avoid working at places with lots of distractions or use other environment-design techniques to lower the impact of those distractions
Changing your phone screen to greyscale doesn't work as well as one might think
Screen Time on iOS is a great tool and if you have an iPhone you should try it!
Is flow endurance a thing? Erik can code for longer periods of time than he can do correspondence, social media, graphics, etc. on most days. Is this due to building endurance for programming or is it more nuanced?
Have a plan to follow
The biggest challenge is not knowing what to do…
Use your calendar for yourself to plan activities
Erik’s weekly checklist marks the day of the week that certain tasks are due so he doesn't have to look at his calendar (which is yet another distraction!)
Managing interruptions
Managing unplanned time
Exercise!
Morning vs Afternoon
Exercise and play spread throughout the day can help with creative tasks and learning. If you take breaks, get up and move around, play, walk, exercise, please!
Seriously, there's science behind this: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2013.00824/full
Related episodes
Sleepy Episode
Distractions Episode
Christian Genco Episode
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Introduction
Leo recently presented and wrote about getting started with podcasting
Leo's motivation for taking a holistic look at what it takes to create, publish, and promote a podcast
The overall process
Our overall publishing process, from brainstorming to recording, to promoting
If you're considering starting a podcast, we recommend that you have two of audience, motivation, and purpose before moving forward
Schedule and format
What our recording schedule looks like and how regularly we record
How we get ready to talk about something in the days before we record
We get very specific about our format
Here are the "before" notes for this episode
Research what your audience wants to know, not just what you want to share
Ideas for podcast structure:
Answer the 5 Ws
Share a chronological story
Present a "thesis"
Hardware, software, and doing things the hard way
We use Skype to record online
Erik uses Audacity and a gaming headset to record his audio
Leo uses Garage Band and ATR-2100 (with this combo)
What Leo learned by editing episodes himself prepared us for asking Julien Borrelli to edit for us
Just Fucking Ship by Amy Hoy is a great book to help decide what's worth making yourself and what's worth asking someone else to prepare
For album art, Erik takes pics with his iPhone 6s Plus, arranges in Canva, and merges into video clips with FFmpeg
Here's an example of how we use FFmpeg to make video clips from an MP3 and photo:
ffmpeg -r 1 -loop 1 -i 023.okproductive/images/instagram.png -i okproductive-23-quote1.mp3 -acodec copy -r 1 -shortest -vf scale=720:720 023.okproductive/clips/1-instagram.mp4
Publishing and promoting
When everything’s edited and ready to go, here's what we do:
Upload MP3 to transistor
Fill in title, description, and clean up notes
Use Buffer to queue up social media, one week at a time, saving all text in a Google Sheet
Write down new or changed schedule and processes in a Google Doc
What we do to announce a new episode, drum up interest, and share what we’re creating
Let's do this again
What Leo has learned by considering how we've changed since starting the podcast
In another year, we'd expect to have better equipment and perhaps start putting more money into social media
We'll definitely revisit our process in another year or two to see what's changed!
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Introduction
Any active desktop issues with Endgame?
The unexpected is so memorable, even for simple things like going to the movies
Sleep, habits, and apps
How we've been sleeping
What we've tried from Atomic Habits
What we're using besides Google Inbox
New parenting tips
Erik’s year (so far)
Health is going the best of all categories, it's where he has the most control
How do you give your kid challenges without breaking down their self-esteem?
Staying in touch with friends that live far away
How to stay in touch with hundreds of people, according to Derek Sivers
Leo's year (so far)
Failed at Main Goal but very successful in others
Trying to learn to delegate more
Saying no to a lot, but saying yes when he can
Struggling with the organization of tasks and delegation
Ideas for future topics
What are some topics we could dig a little deeper on or new topics we haven’t covered yet?
Book reviews
Small experiments (trying apps, habits, etc.)
Small, actionable tips (2-minute episodes between the longer episodes)
Managing emotions
Productive advocacy
Productive learning
Send us ideas or ask for more at:
hello@okproductive.com
Twitter
Facebook
Instagram
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Introduction
A little about Christian and how he first met Leo
Mister Money Mustache, spending less
Patrick McKenzie, inventor of Bingo Card Creator
A day in the life of Christian Genco
Prepopulate your task list, start with your most important task and include lots of easy wins
Put healthy snacks, hard tasks, and what to do if tired or feeling overwhelmed in your task list
Plan for spending time in the sun, meditating, journaling, and cooking
Why 3 hats?
Challenges that Christian faced in order to balance all of his responsibilities:
Putting off difficult work
Lots of distractions from new or exciting opportunities
The constant questioning of priorities
"You can take it seriously, give it the time, money and attention it deserves and build it into something real. But what you’re doing is not working, so either shut it down or double down." — Hiten Shah to Nathan Berry about ConvertKit
What didn't work to solve these problems:
External accountability didn't align with his personality
Homegrown todo lists simply added more distractions
Pomodoros didn't help understand why work was important or handle administrative tasks well
No framework for breaking down tasks
3 Hat Productivity explained
Separate work into 3 modes:
CEO - picks the direction
Manager - makes a list of tasks
Worker - completes the tasks
Use Things app to communicate between the three roles
Before developing the 3 Hat system, Christian was mostly in Worker mode.
Clear tasks get higher priority than undefined tasks
Do not change direction until the most important task is done or a 4-hour daily limit is encountered
Dealing with distractions
Don’t try to prevent distractions from happening — that would take an extraordinary amount of willpower
Acknowledge distractions and use Things to send them away so you can intentionally revisit them later
Review your list of distractions:
CEO triages the list
Review it every three days
Group related tasks
Remove the tasks that aren’t relevant anymore
Keeping something in the list means you’re ruling every other possibility out, so don't hold back when trimming the list!
The analogy of a donkey trapped between water and hay
To keep the list from growing over time, separate the times when you have the idea, prioritize it, and do it
Batching administrative tasks
Admin tasks are anything that isn't part of your most important task
Group tasks based on the nature of the work being done
Buying things
Tracking finances
Contacting people
Compiling statistics and metrics
Research
Reading long-form articles in digests
Do all admin tasks on Saturday
Bonus tips
If you find Things to be expensive, try Fantastical
Avoid introducing tools and tech into your process at first, they'll be distracting
And a few more things for listeners to try 😉
Where to find Christian
Christian Genco's personal website
Fileinbox, Christian Genco's business
Twitter: @cgenco
Related links and apps
Task Batching by Christian Genco
3 Hat Productivity blog
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Introduction
Will Gant is a co-host of the Complete Developer Podcast
How Will and Leo met
Will's lightning talk at MicroConf
What's in Will's journal
Will's familial history of journaling
Unknown stresses as the impetus to start journaling
Will's original journal was a spreadsheet that covered anything happening during the day that bugged him, taking roughly 20 minutes per day to write
Switching to monthly journaling helped Will focus on opportunities instead of the bad stuff and takes about 10 minutes to write
Other ways Will's approach to journaling has changed over the years
Journaling well after something happens helps separate the act from the emotional state
Journaling is also a great way to track things that are tough to remember
Will's is an advocate and regular user of float/sensory-deprivation tanks for meditation
Bonus lifehack: Rethink your internal calendar to start each year on April 1st, after winter and taxes
Keeping life organized with journaling
How Will uses journaling and KanbanFlow to keep track of upcoming tasks
Journaling can take many forms: a food diary, a workout journal, daily insights, monthly reflections, etc.
Tips to start journaling
Pick a time period (daily, weekly, etc.)
Write only what you remember
Make a note of the emotions that you remember as well
Keep it simple and easy: use paper or a plain text file
After writing a new entry, revisit a few past entries
Keep each entry short
Don't out-write your previous entry
Write only for yourself, be blunt
Effecting change with journaling
Writing actions and (separately) your emotions is great for personal growth, especially for kids
A food diary is an easy way to observe and adjust what's going in your body
Write down repeating chores so you remember to do them and how to do them
Keeping track of multi-step tasks is tough in simple journaling and to-do systems
Nothing beats a text document when recording lots of details
Recipes are some of the oldest types of journal entries
Will Gant on the interwebs
Complete Developer Podcast
Twitter: @gantsoftsys
Related links and apps
Getting Started Journaling from the Complete Developer Podcast
9 Career Benefits of Journaling from the Complete Developer Podcast
The 200th Episode of the Complete Developer Podcast
Nozbe, an all-in-one to-do, project, and time management app
KanbanFlow is a web-based lean project management tool
Productivity in Tech blog by Jay Miller
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Introduction
A little about Jonathan Baillie Strong and how he met Leo
Jonathan's best practices for attending a conference
Jonathan's daily work
Inbox management
How Jonathan got interested in inbox management
His general system for inbox management and how it relates to GTD
How often Jonathan grooms his inbox
The most obvious benefits to his inbox management approach
Where does Jonathan put his ideas
His system for keeping them organized
How often you should revisit ideas and explore them more deeply
How to consider which ideas are worth pursuing further, which should get tossed, and which need to sit for a while longer
The One-Touch approach
Basic concepts:
Touch each email only once
When you touch an email, do one of the following:
Send it to your calendar
Create a to-do task
Make a note of the idea
Put it in a Read It Later app
Keeping email in your inbox is like looking at mail and putting it back in your mailbox
How to decide where to send an idea
Ideas to keep evolving your own idea management system
Jonathan's app recommendations
Things is a highly-streamlined, highly-recommended task manager
Gestimer for daily reminders
Numi is a beautiful calculator app
Extensity is a Chrome extension for managing Chrome extensions
Cisco Spark meeting notes, sadly discontinued on May 31, 2019 😭
Video speed controller is a Chrome extension for playing videos faster or slower
Autohotkey is a great hotkey automation tool for Windows
Keyboard Maestro is a hotkey automation tool for Macs
Focusmate helps you focus by pairing you with virtual coworking partners
FIP Radio for listening to chill French music online
Snagit for better screenshots (bonus trivia: it's made in OK Productive's neighborhood!)
Listennotes.com for finding podcasts
Castbox.fm is a great, free podcast app
More apps and related links
Tropical MBA Podcast and in particular, this post about Standard Operating Procedures
Work the System (Book)
Process Street is great for managing workflows on a team
ProcessKit has tons of business automation tools and makes it easy to create your own
Unroll.me for mass-unsubscribing from email lists
IFTTT to make apps talk to each other automatically and speed up mundane tasks
Zapier to make apps talk to each other automatically and speed up mundane tasks
Instapaper to save anything so you can read it offline
How to Be More Productive with a Daily System for High Output by Nat Eliason
The PARA Method: A Universal System for Organizing Digital Information by Tiago Forte
One-Touch to Inbox Zero by Tiago Forte
Where to find Jonathan Baillie Strong
On Twitter: @jonbstrong
At ComDev Media
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First, some revelations:
Apparently, Leo doesn't like cupcakes 🧁
12 habits that destroy your focus and productivity, by Jari Roomer
Multitasking, defined
Multitasking is trying to accomplish two or more tasks by quickly switching back and forth between them
Multitasking is like juggling: you keep lots of things in motion for as long as possible, it looks like lots of work, but you’re not actually accomplishing anything except moving things around. You can get better at juggling, but you’re still just getting better at moving things around.
Another analogy: texting while driving. This is the bad form of multitasking where you shift your attention rapidly between two tasks, each distracting from the other with potentially bad consequences. The good form of multitasking when driving: listening to an audiobook or music.
We often conflate getting a lot done and doing lots of things at once.
Queueing one background task while doing another is GOOD.
Being distracted is BAD.
Context switching, defined
Context switching is the time, effort, process, etc. required to switch from one task to another.
For people, this typically involves finding an acceptable stopping point for the current task, performing some steps to actually switch to the next task, and reframing one’s mind to think about the new task.
It’s a computing term that is commonly applied to people trying to actively change from doing one thing to doing another.
Also called “shifting gears.”
It may seem like you're saving time, but you’re not. Those context switches aren’t accomplishing tasks, they’re taking up little bits (hopefully) of time that add up over the hours you work on two or more things.
Multitasking and context switching train yourself to be busy. “Oh, let me just do this one quick thing” over and over again encourages taking on more work and doing things in an order that probably doesn’t match your priorities.
Common triggers of multitasking
Lots of open tabs encourage you to click links, read, or look for deprioritized work
Leaving your email or calendar open are easy ways to distract oneself
Notifications on your desktop or phone are just an older form of click bait
Natural pauses or "downtime" create opportunities to switch to something else
Any small distraction. Even a conversation nearby can completely pull your attention away from your work
Staying focused is hard and takes practice, especially in this day and age of constant information overdose.
Know your trigger and declare an alternative response
Write down your triggers when they happen
Write down what you want to do instead of multitasking
Pin them to your work area to make them visible
Some positive alternatives to multitasking:
Take a drink of water
Do some in-place stretches
Look up from the computer and focus on something far away
Take some slow, deep breaths
Put on headphones
Avoid these at all cost!
DO NOT switch to another program or tab
DO NOT pick up your phone or another device
DO NOT talk to other people around you while you're focused on work
DO NOT eavesdrop on other convos
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One way to be ok at productivity is to avoid the premature optimization trap.
Premature optimization is when you try to improve a process before knowing how to measure the results of the change.
An idea to improve your productivity can sound really appealing and make you want to do it right away, but without knowing how effective the change will be, the impact could be minuscule and use up more (decision-making) effort than is worthwhile.
Making lots of small or arbitrary, immeasurable changes to your productivity is not the same as making a few changes that have a big, measurable impact.
How does one avoid the optimization trap?
Recommendation #1: simplify! Reduce the number of changes you are actively trying to make. You probably have some semblance of a routine. Pick one thing to change and try it for a few weeks before assessing how well it worked.
Recommendation #2: be scientific — in the simplest way possible!
The scientific method is one of Erik's favorite systems humans have devised.
Here's our simplified scientific method:
collect data
analyze it
make a prediction
test it
repeat
We reordered the steps to prioritize measuring results. Presented this way, the scientific method can be seen in lots of other processes, like in agile software development, experience design, and other human-centered, creative processes.
This order also allows you to practically know when scientific optimization is worth pursuing:Measure first to see how much room there is for improvement before you try something!
Example: Alarmy. The app first asks simple questions to identify an effective way to wake you up. By collecting this data first, the app can either turn on extra features or suggest that you don't need the app and are perhaps fixing the wrong problem.
Example: Screen Time. This Apple app gathers social media and other app usages for a week and then provides a report of its analysis. The results are a quick and easy way to determine if you should avoid your phone and which apps consume most of your phone time.
Recommendation #3: Take breaks. Resting and recharging are not wasted time! They help power you up to take on your next task with maximum effort and energy.
Here are some simple ways to practice recharging:
Take the scenic route home.
Go for a short walk.
Close your eyes and breathe (seriously, try this when stretching or exercising — be safe about it). Call it meditation if that helps you feel better about it.
Our bodies need to recharge and they can’t do that if we treat downtime as lost productivity.
Warning signs that you may have fallen in the optimization trap
Beware of anything that saves you time so that you can work more
Meal prep. services, delivered groceries, home cleaning or yard services, etc.
If you use these services because you’re not hitting your work goals each day then you’re optimizing the wrong thing
Improving productivity means producing more in less time, not producing more with more time
Make sure the “optimization” you choose directly corresponds to producing more in less time
Erik's example: uninstalling Facebook and using Buffer/News Feed Eradicator directly affected his productivity because he was getting sucked into reading his timeline at times when he was supposed to be producing social copy for work
Start being sensitive to how you divide your attention while you’re working
Avoid or schedule time-wasters at work (reading social media, commuting, texting/chatting, etc.)
Focus on one thing at a time so you can also focus on being most productive at one thing at a time
Practice making decisions quickly. Idling and deciding is also not the same as recharging.
Some closing thoughts
When it comes to productivity, avoid premature optimization. Know the potential impact of a change will be significant before you try it.
Measure your productivity before you make changes to it. Otherwise, how do you know the change was even an improvement?
Take Breaks. Your brain is a muscle and needs rest in order to grow.
Optimize the systems you’re using to produce, not other parts of your life that will give you more time to produce.
Mentioned in this episode
MicroConf - a big conference for small, self-funded software companies
Peers Conference - a conference where creative and technical professionals can share their experiences
We’re Optimizing Ourselves to Death by Zander Nethercutt
A Twitter thread where Christopher Hawkins offers ways Emma Wedekind might combat feeling like she has to always be "on"
The Secret to Having Enough Time by Megan Holstein
Related episodes
Episode 10 - Dealing with Time Wasters
Episode 5 - Making Quick Decisions
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Motivation, Motion, and Action
Be specific about your habits!
From the book:People who make a specific plan for when and where they will perform a new habit are more likely to follow through. Too many people try to change their habits without these basic details.
Don't be a busy-body. Make sure your habits are moving you toward that ideal vision of yourself and your goals.
Motivation and Environment
In practice, being aware of your motivation at the times you need it is hard to do. It makes a lot more sense to identify your motivation and build a system around it so that you don’t have to remind yourself of your motivation. This is especially true when you are attempting to transform your identity to build better habits.
We're fangs of the inversion of the steps to form a habit as ways to kick out bad habits. For example, the opposite of make it obvious is make it invisible.
It’s worth using this approach to the extreme to break your worst habits: uninstall social media apps, hide the remote, throw away the sugary processed foods, and so on.
Find, Fix, and Track Habits
Yes, yes, yes: find alternative ways to reduce stress as opposed to trying to remove the stress. Align your approach with who you want to be to amplify the results of your habits.
Remember that each step is small and leads to incremental change but over time they really add up.
Erik really wants to go through the exercise of listing his habits and marking them bad, good, or neutral. It was hard not to do it while reading this book. Who’s with him?
The Power of Sticking to a Habit
When you are trying to form a habit, focus on making the habit easy to repeat instead of trying to be perfect at doing it.
Repetition is more important than getting it right the first time. Preparation rarely reduces failure
This reminds us of the melting ice example. You have to know that adding heat will eventually cause the ice to melt. You have to pick habits that eventually lead to results.
Law of Least Effort
Leo actually practices this example from the book:You are more likely to go to the gym if it is on your way to work because stopping doesn’t add much friction to your lifestyle. By comparison, if the gym is off the path of your normal commute—even by just a few blocks—now you’re going “out of your way” to get there.
This works well for Erik in a lot of situations. The first that comes to mind is taking care of his body: home gym, body weight exercises, and stretching have been a lot easier to stick with than going to a gym or yoga studio.
There are examples that don't fit the Law of Least Effort very well, like studying. Free time can be severely limited during the day and the times where studying may require the least effort may not be the best time to learn or dedicate time to the habit of studying.
Sometimes if something is important, it’s worth extra effort. Not to mention that the effort can be reduced and simplified with environment design. In other words, this "Law" is not a hard and fast rule and the book does offer strategies for approaching exceptional situations.
Using Extrinsic Motivation
Hint: make the good stuff feel great right away and make the bad stuff feel bad.
Linking extrinsic motivation (immediate reward) of a habit to the intrinsic motivation (your goal) makes a lot of sense!
Love this quote from the book:It’s possible to train yourself to delay gratification but you have to work with the grain of human nature, not against it.
Erik connects with identity-based habits so much in this book. He loves the idea of making avoidance habits visible and looking holistically at your identity to find the right ways to immediately reward yourself so that they don’t conflict with your other habits (e.g. choosing a massage instead of a big bowl of ice cream to align with your healthy lifestyle).
An important lesson from this portion of the book: tracking habits is good, but it’s important to measure the right thing and apply all of the habit rules to measuring (make it obvious, easy, etc). Beware of vanity metrics and if a measure plateaus, pick a different one to keep you from stalling out on your habit.
Drawbacks of Good Habits
This part of the book is very humbling!
Developing good habits won’t get you to mastery of a skill, it will only get you good enough (OK Productive approves this message). To keep getting better and to reach mastery you need dedicated practice and regular revising of your habits.
Reflection and review make sure your habits continue to help you grow.
Don’t cling to your identity and reframe your identity in ways that can be changed, because it can and will.
Closing Thoughts
Always be working at your habits!
Track your habits over multiple time ranges. Track the day-to-day, aggregate and average them over time, too.
We want all “self help” books to be like Atomic Habits: short, well-organized, easy to summarize, with cheat sheets, templates, and lots of actionable information, and loads of supplemental material that continues to release after your purchase and is given in formats that will always be yours.
Erik reserves 5/5-star ratings for books with lasting sticking power. It's only a little while after reading, but Atomic Habits is one of those books that will be coming up time and time again in the future.
Let's start using the concepts in the book and run some experiments in habit making and breaking!
Related Episodes
001 - A Sleepy Episode: Erik’s approach to getting a good night’s rest and a great start to the day is a good example of habit stacking
003 - Goals and Actions: One point we make is to pursue goals in small, actionable ways
004 - Power of Habit Review: We read and review The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg
005 - Making Quick Decisions: The 5-Second Rule is strikingly similar to the 2-Minute Rule outlined in Atomic Habits
009 - Working On Your Own: Environment design is very important to getting the most out of your work day when you’re a freelancer/solopreneur
010 - Time Wasters: Another exercise in environment design focused on removing bad habits that waste your time
011 - Year in Review: Habits aren’t enough, you also have to stop occasionally and consciously look at and re-evaluate what you’re doing
014 - Project Breakdown: Our process of breaking a big project down into actionable and measurable pieces is really similar to breaking a big goal or identity shift into atomic habits
015 - The One Big Thing: Leo and Erik both use habit tracking, writing things down, and environment design as the biggest boosts to their productivity
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Overall Review Leo's take:I have read many self-help books. I have never found a book so condensed with information. This is a book I found with many takeaways and lessons. I can tell this is a book James had been working on as a series of blog posts, but had successfully made those blog posts into an actual book which each piece connected much better than the other.I compare this to Derek Sivers book on which felt much more disconnected. (It had great elements but there was as much cohesion as this book). This book is filled with so many lessons - many I practice without thinking (and I have talked about on the podcast) but this book explains them so clearly.Erik's take:This book is phenomenal and I agree with Leo: it’s very nutrient dense. The information is organized in a hierarchical way that makes the high-level process easy to remember and serve as reminders for all of the little details as well. I also greatly appreciate the vast amount of short, practical analogies and examples. The examples weren’t all relatable, but they were short enough that I didn’t feel alienated by them.The supplemental material offered with the book purchase is great, too. Cheat sheets, templates, Q&A, bonus chapters... I’ve never read a nonfiction book that got me so geeked to apply the lessons and use the extra tools. And while some of the concepts from the book tend to come more easily to me than what I see of some of my peers, I’m still eager to try the approach to both break a habit and adopt a new (good) one.Introduction Content warning: the introduction starts with a graphic description of bodily harm. If you may find this unsettling, skip the intro. It merely serves as a source of credibility and using the lessons described in the other chapters to overcome adversity.James captures you right off the bat (no pun intended) with a great anecdote about a serious injury and how he slowly recovered from it through habits.The Analogy of the Ice Cube
The overall thesis of the book is that small changes can compound themselves and how with time those small changes can lead to big outcomes.
This idea is best illustrated through the financial concept of compound interest.
The book also compares persistent atomic habits to melting ice:
A one-degree shift, seemingly no different from the temperature increases before it, has unlocked a huge change.
Complaining about not achieving success despite working hard is like complaining about an ice cube not melting when you heated it from twenty-five to thirty-one degrees.
We like the analogy of melting ice. Sometimes change takes a long time. Sometimes change requires persistent effort. In both cases you either must trust that results will start to happen (i.e. don’t arbitrarily give up) or know at what point the scales will tip in your favor.
Reshaping Your Identity
This chapter is where the book really hooked Erik. He looooooves the notion of Identity-based Habits, which is the idea of using your identity or reframing your identity to acquire better habits. For example, think “I am vegetarian” instead of “I want to eat less meat” to lock those habits in your mindset and transition to the person you really want to be.
Something we wish was covered a bit more is that other people project their images of our identity onto us (a.k.a. peer pressure). It can be difficult to reframe something such as “I am a confident person” after years of nourishing an identity that we are anxious, shakeable, and easily give into peer pressure (as an example).
The overall point here is to communicate to yourself and others that you are changing. Declare who you are and let the people who care about you know it too so they can better support your new habits.
The Habit Loop
The stages of a habit, from the book:
cue,
craving,
response,
reward
The steps to develop a good habit, from the book:
make it obvious,
make it attractive,
make it easy,
make it satisfying
Simple does not mean easy, and that’s where the book's templates, strategies, and examples become really useful.
We like the big-picture thinking here: use habits to make your behavior automatic so you get lots of small rewards to keep you going and then you get the big, long-term intrinsically motivated pay-offs as well.
Are Habits Boring?
Habits do not make life dull. They eliminate (or at least diminish) the arduous process of doing things we don't want to do. They also free our minds from thinking about things we don't want to do.
In the long term, we learn to enjoy those things when they become automatic and we continue to reap the benefits of the habits.
Comparing to Power of Habit
Atomic Habits contains many personal short examples, analogies, and stories whereas The Power of Habit contains longer stories about newsworthy examples of habits at scale. We found Atomic Habits' stories much more relatable and reproducible.
The stages of a habit in Atomic Habits involves four steps: cue, craving, response, reward. This is a longer list than the habit loop from The Power of Habit (cue, routine, reward), but we find Atomic Habits' list easier to remember, perhaps because of the double alliteration and parallels it draws with both making new habits and breaking bad habits.
The Atomic Habits process of making new habits and breaking new habits seems much more concrete to us than those from The Power of Habit. The steps to form a good habit and the inversion of that same process to break a bad habit also seems much more simple!
Related Episodes
001 - A Sleepy Episode: Erik’s approach to getting a good night’s rest and a great start to the day is a good example of habit stacking
003 - Goals and Actions: One point we make is to pursue goals in small, actionable ways
004 - Power of Habit Review: We read and review The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg
005 - Making Quick Decisions: The 5-Second Rule is strikingly similar to the 2-Minute Rule outlined in Atomic Habits
009 - Working On Your Own: Environment design is very important to getting the most out of your work day when you’re a freelancer/solopreneur
010 - Time Wasters: Another exercise in environment design focused on removing bad habits that waste your time
011 - Year in Review: Habits aren’t enough, you also have to stop occasionally and consciously look at and re-evaluate what you’re doing
014 - Project Breakdown: Our process of breaking a big project down into actionable and measurable pieces is really similar to breaking a big goal or identity shift into atomic habits
015 - The One Big Thing: Leo and Erik both use habit tracking, writing things down, and environment design as the biggest boosts to their productivity
Related Links
Streaks by Crunchy Bagel is a todo list that helps you build habitsMusic by Max Sergeev from Fugue
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