When you look at the world, it can feel like we're in a precarious moment. If you’ve listened to past episodes, you know we call this the meta-crisis — an era of overlapping and interconnected crises like climate change, polarization, and the rise of decentralized technologies like synthetic biology. It can feel like we’re on a path to destroy ourselves.That's why we’re talking to Rick Doblin, the founder and executive director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, or MAPS. They’re a nonprofit focused on educating and researching the benefits of using psychedelic therapy to address PTSD and promote humane ways of relating worldwide.Doblin’s vision is for nothing less than a transformation of society through psychedelic-assisted therapy – not for the drugs themselves, but for their ability to help us react to one another with compassion, appreciate differences, and accept criticism.Given the perma-crisis we face, it’s provocative to think about a tool that, when prescribed and used safely, could help us overcome rivalrous dynamics out in the world and on social media. If we rescue our hijacked brains, we can heal from the constant trauma inflation we get online, and shrink the perception gap that splits us into tribes.Both MAPS and Center for Humane Technology want to understand what helps minds heal and be free. We invite you to keep an open mind about a different kind of humane technology as you listen to this episode. Correction: Doblin attributes a quote to Stan Grof about psychedelics helping your ego be “transparent to the transcendent.” In his book Pathways to Bliss, Joseph Campbell wrote, "When a deity serves as a model for you, your life becomes transparent to the transcendent as long as you realize the inspiring power of that deity. This means living not in the name of worldly success and achievement, but rather in the name of the transcendent, letting the energy manifest through you.” Grof was likely paraphrasing Campbell’s work and applying it to psychedelics. Additional credits:The episode contains an original musical composition by Jeff Sudakin. Used with permission. RECOMMENDED MEDIA Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS)The non-profit founded by Rick Doblin in 1986 focused on developing medical, legal, and cultural contexts for people to benefit from the careful uses of psychedelics and marijuana. MAPS has some open clinical trials; see details on their website. Rick Doblin’s TED talkIn this fascinating dive into the science of psychedelics, Doblin explains how drugs like LSD, psilocybin and MDMA affect your brain - and shows how, when paired with psychotherapy, they could change the way we treat PTSD, depression, substance abuse and more.How to Change Your Mind by Michael PollanPollan writes of his own consciousness-expanding experiments with psychedelic drugs, and makes the case for why shaking up the brain's old habits could be therapeutic for people facing addiction, depression, or death.How to Change Your Mind on NetflixThe docuseries version of Pollan’s bookBreath by James NestorThis popular science book provides a historical, scientific and personal account of breathing, with special focus on the differences between mouth breathing and nasal breathing.Insight timerA free app for sleep, anxiety, and stress RECOMMENDED YUA EPISODES You Will Never Breathe the Same Again with James Nestorhttps://www.humanetech.com/podcast/38-you-will-never-breathe-the-same-againTwo Million Years in Two Hours: A Conversation with Yuval Noah Harari https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/28-two-million-years-in-two-hours-a-conversation-with-yuval-noah-harariYour Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_
I hope it isn't lost on people that it is a critical organ for exchanging ideas, informing dissidents in Iran and other authoritarian controlled countries. That is of value to the Mullahs, Putin, etc.
we're supposed to be a democratic republic, but whatever...we're not that either anymore.
You are so disconnected from reality, it's hard to listen this patronizing tone :/
I'm surprised by Frank Luntz feeling he isn't listened to. Every time it seems when there's been of some thorny issue, a messaging battle in the last couple of decades, he's been there. And, understanding the right groups to win over. I hope the messaging debacle, though I understand it, has taught or chastened the Dems enough to employ the strategies of gurus like Drew Weston and Luntz!!
I hate to crush dreams to commenters, but neither Tristan Harris or Aza Raskin read comments from Castbox!!!
I just started listening to this podcast and it seems really interesting! I just have one comment about this one on gambling addiction, since I kept waiting for them to talk about the root of gambling or any other kind of addiction... this is central to solve this problem and any psychologist working in the area knows about this, so I was somewhat surprised there was no mention of this. Why do people start gambling in the first place (or other behaviours that end up in addiction)? And I am not talking about playing slots once a year on your bday or for a bachelor's party... Once people are addicted, it is extremely difficult to stop it (once an addict, always and addict!), but prevention of it is much easier to manage and implement. There are some genetic/hereditary propensities for addiction given the right conditions, but this is not always predictive. The clearer predictive of someone becoming an addict is linked to social and emotional relationships quality in one's life. And my guess is that social media is breaking this aspect of the social human at its root. People sometimes are together in a cafe, yet they are looking at their phones instead of talking to each other... this would be a really interesting 3rd part of this discussion with a psychologist studying addiction ;)
I think you dropped the ball on this one guys. I couldn't think of one thing McCaster said that China does, or Russia, that we do not do abroad ourselves, or here at home in America. Just because we're America, doesn't make our intent for nefarious things like media control in our own country and others, any better than China's.
This is Wert's lost tape from Over the Garden Wall.
amazing episode, so insightful. This kind of conversation should be had on national news
I am extremely impressed with this podcast. It's presentation was cogent and very well informed. Thank you! What's the plan for having government adopt Blockchain as a means to transparency?
what did you think of this?
She habitually drags out the final word or syllable of each clause, as though she thinks it accentuates her point. Don't inflect EVERYTHING.
This podcast changed my life. Ive felt 'wrong' about social media for some time and since disconnecting have found myself justifying 'why not' to my family and friends, and finding my 'why so?' to be wholly ineffective. Even to myself, it was hard yo educate and explain internally. I can now explain myself more clearly. I wont change my family's mind but i am now more informed (on both sides) and can more considered decisions. Ive shared this podcast with some colleagues and friends who are more open minded and already i see a change, and thats what matters. Its about awareness. I dont want to proselytise. Thank you for the passion, accessibility and transparency of a podcast like this. I truly hope we will look back on podcasts like this decades from now and see them as prophetic. I hope... The alternative doesn't bare thinking about.
The snaps get old.
@18:32: "True for them" is such an intellectually broken phrase that it contributes to the very problem being discussed. The violence of Jan. 6th was fueled by lies conveyed through a misappropriation of English. Muddled language has a reciprocal relationship with muddled thinking. How can we have accountability when words no longer have meaning? This is Trump's own defense, and that of Sidney Powell, and Rudy Giuliani, and Fox, and every depraved Reupblican attempting to hide their bigotry and malice in a fog of nonsense. Stop contributing to the problem. Start using words as if they have actual meanings.
Another well intentioned person holding forth about "truth" because it seems right to her, yet many of her strung-together conjectures are factually wrong. It reminds me of anti-scientific Socratic precepts. So little of what she said is empirically falsifiable, and many of her little factoids are in fact false. It undermines her credibility, and therefore her efficacy in promoting what might be useful approaches.
@8:58: A great point I'm very glad to hear someone make regarding the over-use of military terminology and metaphors.
"Clock rate" is an ambiguous, incomplete term Aza seems compelled to say. Use a better term. Neologisms don't make you sound smart, just pseudo-intellectual.
I could do without Aza's breathy, overly empathic, constant "Yeah."
This format for introducing the guest seems awkward and contrived... and a bit effusive or inflated. Also, Aza should pull the mic out of his mouth.