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Author: Jimmy and Clara Hinton

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Jimmy Hinton, a minister, and his mother, Clara Hinton, reported Jimmy's father when a victim reported to them that she'd been abused. Sadly, this is rare. Churches typically defend and protect abusers. This show is dedicated to the millions of survivors who have been mistreated or not believed by the church. Jimmy and Clara wish to bring hope to survivors and shift the current culture in the churches that are perpetuating abuse.
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Episode 156

2021-06-1730:01

Countless sexual abuse victims are not safe in their own homes. Over 60% of sexual abuse survivors are abused by someone related to them in their home. When the majority of abuse happens by a close family member or friend, how can we ensure our homes are safe for our children. One of the most traumatic things for a child is to have the safety of their own home stripped from them. Many adult survivors of abuse still live in constant anxiety and fear when they enter their own homes because of the abuse they endured in their homes as children. This should never be. It certainly shouldn't be the norm. In this episode, we offer some practical things to check to help ensure children are safer in our home. There is no fail safe method to keep them safe all the time, but we can certainly do better. We NEED to do better. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
For 180 days out of the year our children will spend the majority of their childhood in the care of people other than their parents. We need to ensure that the people charged with teaching our children are also charged with protecting them. Many schools are danger zones. The number of school teachers sexually abusing students is rising in virtually every state. An estimated 10% of students will experience school employee sexual misconduct by the time they graduate high school. For more information, see the report by National Criminal Justice Reference Service:https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/252484.pdfParents need to know that their kids' schools are safe. And if they aren't safe, parents need to know how to become empowered to help hold schools accountable to become safe. It's no easy task, but in this episode we provide 7 things parents should look for in a safe school. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/412840:00 - Intro1:34 - Does the school have good/consistent security measures in place?6:25 - Do schools have good training and do they stay current? 8:36 - Do schools train students to look for predators and teach them how to report?13:09 - Do schools communicate who the Title IX coordinator is?15:32 - Are schools transparent with communication? 22:02 - Are school activities monitored or do defensive walls come down after hours?26:45 - Does your school "pass the trash"?
The world was stunned when they learned that US Olympic doctor Larry Nassar sexually abused hundreds of victims. Many were even more shocked to learn that most of his victims had their parents in the same room as Nassar assaulted them. Abuse of children happens across every profession and education level. In this episode we offer a checklist to determine whether your child is safe at the doctor's office. As parents, we have the right to choose our providers and only we can defend and protect our children. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Do you ever wish you could have a checklist to know whether your kids will be safe at church? A lot of parents rely on churches simply telling them that their kids are safe. But we know that the track record at churches is very grim. In this episode we give a checklist that parents can run through to ensure that there is a culture of protecting children at church. To order Jimmy's book, The Devil Inside:https://www.amazon.com/dp/1950948617/ref=cm_sw_su_dpTo Order Clara's book, Hope 365:https://www.amazon.com/Hope-365-Daily-Meditations-Grieving/dp/1539991539/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hope+365&qid=1622030091&s=books&sr=1-1To Order Clara's children's book, Robbie and the Special Daisies:https://www.amazon.com/Robbie-Special-Daisies-Childs-Grief/dp/B08X6DXRTM/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=clara+Hinton&qid=1622030130&s=books&sr=1-2Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Do you ever wonder how abuse has become such an epidemic? The statistics are getting worse instead of better. In this episode, we highlight 5 categories of people who should be the best trained to recognize and prevent abuse, including doctors and nurses, yet either lack adequate training or have no training at all. There is no uniform training or requirements for training in these fields, even though abuse is still rampant. What are some other areas that we didn't mention? We'd love to hear your thoughts. For Jimmy's book, The Devil Inside: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1950948617/ref=cm_sw_su_dpIntro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Do you ever wonder where to begin reading about abuse? There is a sea of books out there and it can be overwhelming. In this episode we divide our top recommendations into four different categories. We hope you find this as helpful as we did! It was a good refresher to go back and review books we hadn't read in several years. Jimmy's book, The Devil Inside, can be ordered here:https://www.amazon.com/dp/1950948617/ref=cm_sw_su_dpIntro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Josh Duggar is in trouble AGAIN. This time he was arrested and placed in a Homeland Security facility with two serious federal charges and no bond. His charges include receiving and possessing child abuse materials. Josh has a patterned past of abuse of minors and other sexual misconduct. When he was 14, he molested four younger sisters and a baby sitter. His parents, while calling his actions inexcusable, went on to minimize his crimes by calling them "stupid mistakes." This phrase was repeated by Josh's sisters (also his victims) Jill and Jessa. Mike Huckabee also repeated this phrase when he came to Josh's defense in 2015, even calling Josh "good people." When the public learned of Josh's past crimes when he was a juvenile, Mike Huckabee said, " He and his family dealt with it and were honest and open about it with the victims and the authorities. . . No purpose whatsoever is served by those who are now trying to discredit Josh or his family by sensationalizing the story. Good people make mistakes and do regrettable and even disgusting things." It is no surprise that Josh has been empowered to abuse children, view and download images and videos of children under the age of 12 being abused, and cheat on his spouse. When accountability is low and abuse is minimized, victims are urged to forgive their abuser and move on. This is not an act of compassion for either the abuser or the victims. Josh should have gotten the help he needed when he was first caught at the age of 14. Renowned expert in the field of pedophilia, Dr. Gene Abel, says that sexual fantasies that we have as children are solidified into adulthood when they are paired with arousal. When a teen's fantasies include younger children, those fantasies are solidified well into adulthood. But Abel also says something groundbreaking: "We can change people's sex fantasies." But this only happens with great success when the person is still a minor. This is a cautionary tale of a teenager who's life may have turned out completely different, had he gotten the proper help he needed. Now he is on a dangerous trajectory and is a 33 year old abuser.To order Jimmy's book, The Devil Inside:https://www.amazon.com/dp/1950948617/ref=cm_sw_su_dpPhoto used under Creative Commons license. Original photo credit: https://www.flickr.com/photos/96024429@N00/17966165892Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Christianity Today International did a survey of 3,000 church leaders and members in 2010, where they found that 80% of respondents believe that sex offenders who have paid their dues in the legal system should be welcomed into the church. Even with the attention #MeToo and #ChurchToo have gotten, churches are still not hesitant to welcome abusers into the fold, often accompanied with secret agreements between church leaders and the offenders. Is it our duty as Christians to welcome abusers into the church? Should we minister to them? We unpack these questions in this episode and explain why we think this is both bad policy and poses a very real danger to innocent children. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Guest Sheila Wray Gregoire discusses the myths in Christian literature that leads to an unhealthy view of sexuality. This certainly applies to child sexual abuse, too. Often victims of abuse--even children--are told that the way they dress "tempted" the abuser. Sheila unpacks the wrongful expectation that sex is about fulfilling the man's sexual desire. She also mentions what parents can be telling their children about sex and creating healthy boundaries. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Churches default to reconciliation as a first response to uncovering abuse. Leaders often refer to select Bible verses to back their aggressive efforts to reconcile abusers with their victims. This is especially true if the victim is married to the abuser. We see this all the time in violent marriages. Women are very often urged to remain entrapped in abusive homes and submit to their husband's brutality. But should the church instead help victims to cut ties with their abusers? How do we know when it is best to cut ties? We discuss all of this in this episode. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
We got asked whether we believe people who welcome abusers into the church would actually let their own kids be near the known abusers. It's an important question that not many people are asking. Honestly, it's not one that we have addressed before. We see it all the time. Church leaders talk about registered sex offenders or credibly accused people as if they've fully repented. They welcome them back into the church with open arms. Ironically, as leaders welcome them they also try to hide the fact that they are child abusers. Leaders often sign "covenant agreements" between just them and the abuser, while congregants stay in the dark. So the question is, "Would these same leaders who welcome abusers into the church entrust their own children to the abusers?" The answer may surprise you. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
The Minnesota Supreme Court overturned a felony rape conviction because the victim was "voluntarily intoxicated" during the assault. In this episode, we discuss why this is dangerous and why the laws need to catch up. We also discuss the sexual allegations against Governor Cuomo, who famously signed New Yorks' Child Victims Act, providing a two year lookback window for abuse survivors. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Mary grew up in an Amish home where she was serially molested from the age of 4 or 5 by her father and brothers. She repeatedly told her mom, who blamed the abuse on Mary, saying, "If only you prayed more these bad things wouldn't happen to you." Amish victims are taught to forgive their abuser and to not question any man who holds authority over them. It is against their custom to report abuse to the police. Instead, if abusers are indeed caught and found to be guilty, they are shunned for six weeks before being fully restored to their church and community, no questions asked. Sexual abuse and violence are incredibly common among Amish communities because of this toxic environment, making it nearly impossible for victims to ever escape their abuse. After suffering years of horrific abuse, Mary was finally rescued and was given the opportunity most Amish victims will never receive--reporting to the police. A couple of Mary's abusers received a light sentence but have since been fully restored back to the Amish community with unlimited access to children. In this episode, Mary courageously shares her story, along with invaluable tips when interacting with survivors of sexual abuse. Mary's story can be found here:https://www.kltv.com/story/2466831/amish-community-shocked-by-one-families-secrets/Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Alex Howlett is Clara's youngest daughter who disclosed her abuse to both Clara and Jimmy at the age of 20. When they discovered that Alex had been abused as a young child by hers and Jimmy's dad, Clara and Jimmy reported it to the police immediately. The brave decision for Alex to report uncovered decades of abuse, many victims, and resulted in a life sentence in prison for her dad. Countless more children were spared because of Alex's decision to tell. Alex talks about why she decided to disclose her abuse and how that was the beginning of her healing journey. Because of Alex, Jimmy immediately began his journey to becoming an advocate and a researcher. Clara has blogged a lot about her experience as the wife of an abuser at https://findingahealingplace.com/Jimmy blogs regularly and has training videos at https://jimmyhinton.org/Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Abuse is here to stay. Many abusers are gaining easy access to children through every avenue possible. There is no standard, uniform training offered in schools for kids. Even though the majority of their time from childhood through young adulthood is spent in a classroom, schools are failing to adequately train them to identify abuse and to interrupt the pattern. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Normally we mostly talk about pedophilia on this show, but a question was brought to us about approaching young women who are being preyed upon by sexual predators. It's not uncommon for pedophiles to also target young ladies who have just reached the age of consent. Be aware that the age of consent varies from state to state, and some states are still age 16. Older men often target these young ladies, and the young ladies believe they are falling in love. In this episode, we discuss what patterns to look for in these men who are really predators. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
If there's one thing we discovered early on, it's that most Christians are deception illiterate. What we mean by that is that there is NOTHING being taught about deception in our Christian colleges and seminaries. I know, because I went through 9 years of college and seminary, receiving a bachelor's in Bible and Religion and a Master of Divinity. Not one word was mentioned about deception in the church, and there certainly was nothing that equipped me to detect deceptive people. In fact, I had no idea that there was such a thing as "Christians" masquerading as real Christians in order to abuse innocent people. I left with two very good degrees and was completely deception illiterate. Unfortunately, experience had to become my teacher. As long as we keep failing to talk and learn about deception techniques, we will always be deception illiterate. And THIS is what abusers are banking on. It's how they are so easily able to deceive, manipulate, and rob the innocence of their victims. In this episode, we talk about ways to overcome deception illiteracy, and contrast Jesus' teaching method with our method today. Our hope is to turn this culture around and start teaching people the mechanics behind deception so that they can learn to detect it. Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
A recent report came out, along with a statement from the RZIM board, detailing multiple abuse victims of Ravi Zacharias. The board issued an apology for not believing allegations that were brought by Lori Ann Thompson in 2017. Though the board issued an apology, where were they 3 years ago when multiple advocates were warning them (with evidence) that Zacharias was a manipulative abuser who also falsified his credentials to secure book and speaking deals? Mr. Zacharias was upheld as a righteous man, and had the full backing of his board even when multiple credible allegations of abuse were brought to them. This made Zacharias feel invincible, and the report shows that he continued abusing women until the time of his death. They uncovered hundreds of images and videos from his phone and one victim alleges that she was raped by Zacharias. Had the board believed victims, they could have stopped a dangerous predator from harming so many innocent women. Christianity Today article: https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/february/ravi-zacharias-rzim-investigation-sexual-abuse-sexting-rape.htmlRZIM statement: https://www.rzim.org/read/rzim-updates/board-statementIntro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
In this episode we discuss my upcoming memoir, The Devil Inside: How My Minister Father Molested Kids In Our Home and Church For Decades and How I Finally Stopped Him. In this candid discussion, we talk about the purpose for writing it, some of the challenges children of abusers face, and how it was written to help parents spare their children from abuse. I learned the hard way that abusers are incredibly skilled at deception and masking the abuse. We had no idea that, for over 4 decades of my dad's life, he was abusing minor children. Abuse is rampant and is not going away. But we can certainly be proactive in finding abusers and shutting them down. The book is available for pre-sale on Amazon.https://www.amazon.com/dp/1950948617/ref=cm_sw_su_dpIntro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
Pennsylvania abuse survivors have been trying to get justice for a long time. The 2018 Grand Jury Report, which discovered over 1,000 victims and 300 pedophile priests, recommended that a two year window be opened for victims who fell under an outdated statute of limitations. In 2018 the proposed law passed overwhelmingly in the Pennsylvania House only to have it squashed by then President pro tempore of the Senate, Joe Scarnati. He intentionally stalled the bill until the clock ran out for that legislative session, effectively killing the bill. Most recently, a state constitutional amendment allowing lawsuits for outdated claims was to appear on the ballot this May. However, that was once again squashed when a "clerical error" was announced, disqualifying the amendment to appear on the ballot. The earliest it can appear on the ballot is in 2023. In this episode, we talk about the implications of this. Was it foul play or is there this level of incompetency in Harrisburg? Either way, the result is devastating injustice for abuse survivors once again. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pennsylvania-agency-bungles-ballot-referendum-child-sex-victims-n1256403Intro-- Film Glitch by Snowflake (c) copyright 2017 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/snowflake/56350 Ft: reusenoiseOutro-- I Have Often Told You Stories (guitar instrumental) by Ivan Chew (c) copyright 2013 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution (3.0) license. http://dig.ccmixter.org/files/ramblinglibrarian/41284
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Judelbugs Rutter

It's not ok that the law protects abusers seeking custody of the kids they abused.

Jun 5th
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Judelbugs Rutter

Thankyou Clara and Jimmy for sharing this. To every spouse that leaves, you are so brave. you survived the gaslighting, you put your kids first! I honour you. Anyone who tries to say God wants you to stay married and forgive are toxic. that abuser is a criminal and it was Jesus himself who said that it would be better for them to the a milestone around their neck and be tossed into the sea... Some spouses make me so mad they keep drinking the predator's coolaide and become their biggest defender... god help the pastor/decon that tries to tell them that they need to attend child-free service!

May 29th
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Emblem B

After taking care of two kids who grew up with an emotionally abusive father which led to both having anxiety produced health issues requiring tons of care, I get incredibly triggered by those NOT wearing a mask. I get so fearful that I will get sick, getting them sick and have traumatic care and worry over them again. I was paralyzed at first. I did quit my job because accountants are essential in my state. Luckily my employer found a way for me to work from home. Also I have a wonderful counselor and a dust allergy. I already owned a comfy N95 mask for years. I get it, I DO. But trauma can produce both results.

May 2nd
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Emblem B

To me the forced isolation is normal, feels comfortable. It's the fear of unknown. The fear of what is coming next - a surprise ambush of badness and gloom. - survivor

Apr 5th
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Judelbugs Rutter

if you ever hear of someone researching about why I left I'll happily answer a survey. But for me it was because I was tired and broke. after I took a break (i always intended to go back) there were more and more clergy abuse stories and the line between religion and politics in our nation is blurring more than I'm comfortable with, but I'm not convinced it's about pleasing Jesus driving those with the most money and power.

Aug 23rd
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Judelbugs Rutter

Wow that's an interesting list

Aug 23rd
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Judie PinkGrl Rutter

Many people with bipolar lead normal lives once their medications and support systems are sorted. It's such a shame that your ex used people's inexperience/ lack if education to prejudice them against you. It's so sad because of the gaslighting from the person who should have had your back, had you actually had similar mental health issues.

May 26th
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Judie PinkGrl Rutter

I listened to this podcast... and had Jimmys words from this series, in my mind... It's a story that's hard to listen to but a really good one about a wolf. https://castbox.fm/vb/149750164

May 17th
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Judie PinkGrl Rutter

leaders and elders need to be aware if they protect a predator and parents find out they can and will involve the media.

Mar 12th
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Judie PinkGrl Rutter

I'm super keen to hear more on this topic. I was watching leaving Neverland this week and was surprised how many things you both have said was playing in my mind when listening to the survivors tell stories. there's so many similarities between Michael and your dad... the being a bit odd as a weapon, telling other people they just had dirty minds, being adored... mud that's thrown by his fans similar to mud you've also talked about in other podcasts and blogs. it's a touchy subject.

Mar 11th
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Judie PinkGrl Rutter

these 2 podcasts will be ones I listen to a few times. there's a lot of good information in there. I'm curious as to whether when your dad went to gaol if other predators were found such as people he was distributing the child porn to?

Feb 3rd
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Judie PinkGrl Rutter

thankyou Alex for speaking out. you are so brave. I've just found this podcast and am listening to it a lot. things said earlier make a little more sense... but also wow mum and brother of a victim, keeping that secrect would have sucked... there are just no words! I'm curious about the tears of predators you sometimes mention and I'd like to know more about the 'classification' system. I discovered your websites a few years back and the story of the man who had a disabled son who was preyed upon and killed by a man in the church has stayed with me. I often wonder how he's doing. I read the story last night of the young man who was a pastors kid whose mother is telling everyone he's crazy though she knows the truth. swear words. keep doing what you're doing. it needs to be brought into the light and our kids need to be protected.

Feb 2nd
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Judie PinkGrl Rutter

I'm so excited to be hearing your podcast! Clara I followed your blog and found it fascinating. Jimmy I loved hearing the conference for protection of children. years later the stories are still with me.

Jan 31st
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