The Fangirl Business: A Supernatural Podcast

Join Chrisha and Catherine for a chaotic episode where all of the things that can happen in the background at Catherine's apartment do while they try to talk all about the music in the finale of The Winchesters. Topics range from just how exactly Dean did time- and universe-travel, to his kidnapping of the President of the United States, his introspection and shift from an active fighter to a guide, the City of Angels and the City of Love, and lots of Destiel musings.  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "Take a Stand" by Homer Greencastle; "Keep On Ramblin'" by Radio Company; "Baba O'Riley" by The Who; "LA Woman" by The Doors; "Americana" by Jay Gruska; "One of These Things First" by Nick Drake; "Watching Over Me" by Radio Company; "Ramble On" by Led Zeppelin; "That's No Way To Say Goodbye" by Leonard CohenRadio Company live concert credit: "Let Me Be" on Hannah Young's Youtube channelInfo about how the Ackles got "Ramble On": hermscat on Tumblr and Sharon87 on Twitter (Thanks, Tess, for the info and links! Wayward Friends, turns out Jensen went without salary for The Winchesters' finale so they could pay for the song--and a lot of work went on behind the scenes to get permission to use it!)Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

CONTENT WARNING: There is a discussion of suicide and suidical ideation as it pertains to the characters of Akrida Kyle & Lata from The Winchesters and Dean from Supernatural.  Please be aware and kind to yourselves, Wayward Friends. The portion that discusses this content is from 3:33 to 8:48 and has been marked as a chapter so you can easily skip it.In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start off the episode by going over some thoughts that have come to them since they started recording about the finale again in November 2023. They then focus in on the Akrida: Joan, their history, and their purpose, and discuss what makes a compelling villain and why the best villains always think they are on the side of good.   The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CW Music clip credits: "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne Jeremy Adams' tweet re: Why Cas wasn't in "Last Holiday"Misha Collins audio clip credit: Supernatural: The Long Road Home Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start the discussion with Jack and his odd behavior at the end of Supernatural and during The Winchesters' finale before moving on to talk about Baby, The Winchesters' title card and its connection to the Akrida, and the logistics behind Cas' absence. The conclude by reflecting on what was left unresolved and what was healing for them personally.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CWSPNNash 2021 audio clip credit: Gayle (thank you to @alishabless13 on Twitter for asking the question and helping us to find the audio!)KSiteTV audio clip credit: GOTHAM KNIGHTS Misha Collins InterviewJIB 12 audio clip credit: Chuck Won on Tumblr (thank you to Veronica for letting us know about this clip!)Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss how the car scene at the end of the episode should have been, as a giant infodump, dull--and yet it was not (thanks, Ackles and Thompson!). They also discuss the clapbacks to the Supernatural finale, how dying and going through the multiverse changed Dean, the John and Dean role reversals, how the concept of reparenting applies in a very Supernatural way, and delve deep into Dean's monologue at the end of the episode.Finally, they discuss what exactly Dean is now, and the implications that might have for any future iterations of Supernatural. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CW Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine catch up on what's been going on behind the scenes with each other, the writers' and actors' strikes and victories, the ongoing trash-fires at networks and streamers, and their gratitude to folks behind The Winchesters for giving fans a thoughtful and healing ending.  The main part of the episode focuses on the various members of the Monster Club:Mary: Her similarities with the Akrida Queen's backstory and how her journey of healing led to different outcomes; her time in the portal and the impact of seeing all possible versions of herself; her decision to go with John at the end and the importance of Mary being the one to make that decision; and her journey from being trapped to living in freedom.John: His decision to address his anger and work on healing it; his state of being completely lost after he arrived home from Vietnam, and the importance of Dean and Henry's letter; the healing that's happened in his relationship with Millie; and his transition from running towards danger to running towards hope.Lata: Her immediate decision to put everything else aside to figure out how to help Ada; her strength/perceptiveness while under the control of Akrida Kyle; the way her attack on Joan complicates her pacifism; her importance in building community; & her journey from feeling less-than because of her pacifism to understanding her importance. Carlos: His immediate and ongoing Dean thirst; his voyage from needing to be the front man to being part of the band; his affection for Ada and the important role he played in stopping her from jumping the gun with the crystal; and his role in saving the day by figuring out how to bring Baby back out of the world between worlds.Millie: Her new communicative relationship with John; her continued strength, and the insight and help she brings as a mechanic to the Monster Club; and her care and concern for his relationship with Mary.Ada: The loss and restoration of her soul; the importance of her openness about the sacrifice the crystal requires; and the way the Monster Club rallies around her, supports her, and protects her in a way that we think she isn't used to.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural  audio clip credits: The CWMusic clip credits: "Exile" by Taylor SwiftFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

Note: This is a re-release of Chrisha and Catherine's reaction episode to The Winchesters'  finale, which was originally released on March 8, 2023. A full analysis of "That's No Way to Say Goodbye" will be released in January, 2024. In this raw audio episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their initial reactions to The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye," with particular attention to the healing work this episode and the entire season did in the wake of Supernatural's series finale, "Carry On."A full analysis of the episode will happen at a later date, and they will continue to release episodes about the rest of the season in order!Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine look into the theme of mirrors and misdirection, which is particularly prevalent in this episode but has been a running theme throughout the series. They also examine the parallels this episode has with multiple episodes of Supernatural, which all look at the temptation of peace and happiness vs. facing the difficulty of real life and its associated difficulties and traumas!  A big chunk of the episode dives into the background imagery of sideshows and includes a discussion of othering, autonomy, and what visual messaging the audience might have been given. Further time is given to discussions of spell ingredients, Macbeth, music, and thinking forward to the finale!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWJIBCon 11 audio clip credits: Aurélie Kitty at YouTubeMusic clip credits:  "I'd Love to Change the World" by Ten Years After; "The Viper" by Paul Lenart & Billy Novick; "Everybody Loves a Clown" by Gary Lewis and The Playboys; "The Tears of a Clown" by Smokey Robinson and The MiraclesFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine talk about the penultimate episode of The Winchesters, "The Tears of a Clown."Topics include: the concern about Ada considering giving up her soul; Dean's narration about the lies we tell ourselves and what self-lies he might be confronting; Mary's addressing of issues and John's determined avoidance; Carlos' continued therapy work and the ripple effect of an individual's therapy on their community; Lata's incredible research ability which saves the day again; and the episode's commentary on toxic positivity and the importance of facing our grief and problems. They also screech, of course, about ROWENA!!!!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CWFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine talk jackets and callbacks, Lata's relationship with Maggie, queer media texts, the implications of this being an autobiographical story (told from Dean's perspective), and the interesting messaging behind the song "You've Got a Friend", after which the episode is named. Central to the episode is their discussion about Lata's rejection of blood family above all else, and the implications it has as a response to the messaging of Supernatural's finale, as well as its real-world importance.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWSPN CE Jensen virtual panel November 15, 2020 audio clip credits: Its Daily Jensen on YouTube JIBCon 11 Jojo and Drake panel February 24th, 2023 audio clip credits:  Aurélie Kitty on YouTubeJensen Ackles tweet: "Well, hey there sailor" from Twitter.Music clip credits: "You've Got a Friend" by James Taylor and Carole KingFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss the way that the series thus far has been a healing experience for many from Supernatural's finale, Mary's response to Betty and to John's arrest, the revelations about John while he's in police custody, Lata's journey of letting go of things that were not hers to carry, the monster of the week (Erebus), Carlos' support role whilst maintaining his delightful personality, and Millie's personal growth.The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWMusic clip credits: "Don't Fear the Reaper" by Blue Öyster Cult; "Turn into Earth" by The YardbirdsFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

CONTENT WARNING: This episode includes discussions of Holocaust imagery and the medical and institutional history of targeting marginalized and oppressed groups for exploitation and experimentation. Please be mindful of your wellbeing when deciding to listen (Begins 19:14; Ends 30:18).In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss the troubling elements of "Suspicious Minds", questioning some of the decisions that were made and discussing the real-life roots of the tradition of the medical and institutional horror genre in the legacy of white supremacy. They also talk about what is and isn't love, Carlos' and Lata's developing romantic relationships, the experience of being a vessel and Roxy's storyline, the Akrida's plot to frame John for the murder of Kyle, and Dean's new photo. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The CWMusic clips: "Suspicious Minds" by Elvis PresleyFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

This episode begins with a discussion of fate vs luck in "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" and the wider Supernatural franchise. Catherine and Chrisha then move on to monsters and gods, the differences between The Winchesters' vampires and the vampires from Supernatural (and what those differences might mean), and how the episode's music spoke into its themes. The bulk of the conversation focuses on the scene in the Red Room, its contrasts and parallels with "Despair" and "Carry On" (as usual, no audio clips are used for the latter), and the kiss between Carlos and Anton!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupenatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clips: "Bad Moon Rising" by Clearance Creedwater Revival; "Americana" theme by Jay Gruska; "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" by Vince Guaraldi & Carel Werber (clips from 1966 Shelby Flint and and 1967 Johnny Rivers versions); "Cadillac" by Lassie; "Rats" by The KinksFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss The Winchesters' episode "Cast Your Fate to the Wind," starting with the diversity presented behind the scenes and onscreen and moving on to the themes of free will versus fate and how what we think we see may not be the full story. They also talk about Mary's biggest fear, the progress between John and his mom, Lata's inability to keep a secret, Carlos' iconic holy water hair commercial, and much more!The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine delve into what they've affectionately termed "the red string": trying to figure out what all the hints and mysteries behind each episode are leading to. Topics include: What the HELL was Chuck doing onstage in the episode?; Dean's mysterious reappearance and its implications for the series; Jojo's Insta live and its implications for Destiel and queer Dean; The connections between this episode and Supernatural's "Last Call"; Alice in Wonderland themes; Lastly, the episode's music and its connection with themes from the show and fandom.  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The CWSPN NashCon 2022 audio clip credits: ladywinchester1967 on YouTubeMusic clip credits: "Hard Times Come Again No More" by Jojo Fleites & Louden Swain; "Rebel" by John Moran; "Saturday Night Alright (For Fighting)" by Elton John; "Hang on to Your Life" by The Guess WhoFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

SPOILER WARNING: This episode contains reactions to and discussions of The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye." ...........In this raw audio episode, Chrisha and Catherine discuss their initial reactions to The Winchesters' season finale, "Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye," with particular attention to the healing work this episode and the entire season did in the wake of Supernatural's series finale, "Carry On."A full analysis of the episode will happen at a later date, and they will continue to release episodes about the rest of the season in order!Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

If you want to follow along with Chrisha's social media reveals, scroll down to find all the links!In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine do a whole lot of screeching about:DeanDean's birthdayDean talking about having an open heartThat freaking amazing Dean reveal at the end of the episodeDean F***ing WinchesterThey also look at Mary's strength in the face of pushy men, John's supportiveness and (sigh) incredibly romantic lines, Lata's continued ability to figure out all of the things, Carlos' amazing journey of rejecting the game, glitter explosions, and singing, and they try to nail down the history of Loki and Gabriel (which apparently even Jensen Ackles needs help with!). If you want to experience the social media journey of the celebration of Dean's birthday right along with Catherine, here are the links:The Boys Official Account TweetThe Family Business Beer Company Instagram Post Jensen Ackles' Instagram VideoJensen Ackles' Instagram Reel PhotoDanneel Ackles' Tweet from the Cast PartyBianca Kajlich's Tweet from the Cast PartyThe Winchesters' Cast Sings Happy BirthdayThe Winchesters' Cast Reacts to the Big Reveal The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: The CW, with major kudos to Jojo Fleites and Louden Swain for "Hard Times Come Again No More"Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In Part 2 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters'  "Reflections," Chrisha and Catherine take out their red string and have fun trying to untangle the mess of what the heck is going on in the wider story. They look at look at the connections between the Akrida and Supernatural S7's Leviathan and delve further into differences between the two series: beyond the odd ghouls to the watchdogs left behind by the Men of Letters and the different way that magic seems to work.  Yes, there is more talk about radio waves. Yes, they talk about the closet scene and the kiss scene and the reflections of Supernatural's "Despair." And they ponder the importance of Roxy's comment that "nothing of this Earth" can kill her. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "The Gambler" by Kenny Rogers; “Can’t Find My Way Home” by Blind Faith; “Time After Time” by Herman Hupfield, sung by Dooley Wilson; “Reflections” by Diana Ross and The Supremes; "Watching Over Me" by Radio CompanyFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

Content Warning: This episode includes discussions of Dean Winchester's death. In Part 2 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters'  "Art of Dying," Chrisha and Catherine go full red string with discussions about possible AUs, the musical paratexts and how they speak into the story, and parallels between John and Mary and Destiel.  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWVancon 2022 audio clip credits: Creation Entertainment Music clip credits: "Joan of Arc" by Judy Collins; "Art of Dying" by George HarrisonFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In Part 1 of their 2-parter on The Winchesters'  "Art of Dying," Chrisha and Catherine talk about barns. A lot.They also discuss Mary's growth as a leader, John's anger and his attempt at healing, Lata's powerful choice for non-violence, and Carlos' sudden silence in the face of true attraction--and how that speaks to Dean's reactions towards Cas.  The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: "Pull the Wool" by U.S. Stamps; "All Right Now" by Free; "I Put a Spell On You" sung by Nina SimoneFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!

In Part 2 of their two-parter on The Winchesters'  "Legacy of a Mind," Chrisha and Catherine pull out the red string.They delve into the reasons why Mary and John's journey into Mary's mind may have felt a little familiar, why the monster of the week may have given us some clues as to what the heck is going on with the series, and discuss about the Akrida and what the episode's songs may be hinting at. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CWSupernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CWMusic clip credits: “Windmills of Your Mind" by Dusty Springfield; "I Put a Spell on You" cover by Nina Simone; "Legend of a Mind" by The Moody BluesFollow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.socialJoin our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiersSupport our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shopThanks for listening!