Legally Speaking Podcast

“There’s a very different skill set in leading people remotely.”  - Adrian BellOn today’s Legally Speaking Podcast, sponsored by Clio, I’m delighted to be joined by Adrian Bell. Adrian joined CMS in 2002, building a career spanning international disputes, business development and law firm leadership. Before becoming Managing Partner, he was Co-Head of CMS’s Infrastructure, Construction and Energy Disputes Group and Managing Director for Asia and the Middle East.During his leadership of the Asia-Pacific and Middle East regions, CMS expanded its international presence, opening offices in Abu Dhabi and Riyadh. In April 2026, Adrian began his 4-year term as Managing Partner at CMS, overseeing the UK, Middle East, Asia, Central Europe and Eastern Europe. Today, we will explore Adrian’s journey from practising lawyer to Managing Partner, leading an international law firm, the challenges of balancing commercial success, and his vision for the future of CMS. So why should you be listening in? You can hear Rob and Adrian discussing:- From Lawyer To Managing Partner: Adrian Bell’s Journey Leading CMS- The Business Of Law: Driving Growth and Building Client Relationships- Leading Through People: Attracting Talent and Building Strong Teams- The Future of Law: Embracing AI, Technology and Innovation- Building a Legacy: Leadership, Confidence and Learning From Failure.Connect with Adrian Bell here - https://uk.linkedin.com/in/adrianjamesbell

We are excited to be back in Boston for Clio Con Clips 2026! The Legally Speaking Podcast™ returns as an official media partner, bringing you exclusive interviews, fresh insights and behind-the-scenes conversations from one of the world’s leading legal technology conferences. Our Clio Con Clips series features Clio’s leadership, legal tech pioneers, Reisman Award winners and industry changemakers exploring the latest developments in AI, legal innovation, access to justice and the future of the legal profession.In the third minisode of Clio Con Clips 2026, we get to speak with returning guest, John Foreman, the Chief Product Officer of Clio. In our conversation, John discusses how AI can automate routine law-firm work, adapt software to lawyers and connect workflows across a secure, unified platform. He also shares how Clio prioritises product ideas and hopes to reduce the spreadsheets and follow-ups that burden growing firms to this day. So why should you be listening in? You can hear Rob and John discussing:- How Software Should Adapt To Lawyers- AI Absorbing Complexity for Users- Unifying Data, Users, Roles and Permissions- Automating Full End-To-End Workflows- Safe AI Obeying Privilege PermissionsConnect with John Foreman here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnwforeman

We are excited to be back in Boston for Clio Con Clips 2026! The Legally Speaking Podcast™ returns as an official media partner, bringing you exclusive interviews, fresh insights and behind-the-scenes conversations from one of the world’s leading legal technology conferences. Our Clio Con Clips series features Clio’s leadership, legal tech pioneers, Reisman Award winners and industry changemakers exploring the latest developments in AI, legal innovation, access to justice and the future of the legal profession.In our second minisode, returning Clion Reagan Attle is Chief Marketing Officer at Clio. She joined in 2017 and shares her experience with the company and how Jack Newton, Clio's CEO, hired her to lead marketing during a pivotal moment in her life. This is her second appearance on the Legally Speaking podcast. Our conversation also covered the connected AI experience Clio announced this year, including Vincent, Projects and Clio Phones. Reagan said the point is a single platform that gives AI the context it needs, so lawyers do better work and clients get better outcomes. So why should you be listening in? You can hear Rob and Reagan discussing:- Customers Driving Company Evolution, But Clio Also Building Ahead of Them- Trustworthy AI Depending on Context- Clio’s Rebrand Reflecting What It Has Grown Into- Acquisitions Being Deliberate and Culture Being Part of the Plan - How Transparency is What Clients Want About AI.Connect with Reagan Attle here - https://ca.linkedin.com/in/reaganattle

On today’s Legally Speaking Podcast, sponsored by Clio, I’m delighted to be joined by David Jackson. David is a commercial, outsourcing and technology lawyer who joined Shoosmiths in 2006. Leading Shoosmiths’ national Commercial Group for more than a decade, he helped the firm develop its technology and launched its connected services business, Shoosmiths EIGHT. David took on the role of Chief Executive in 2022. Under David’s leadership, Shoosmiths has continued investing in people, technology and infrastructure. The firm has experimented with new approaches to legal technology and AI, connected services and initiatives.Today, we will explore David’s journey from commercial lawyer to CEO, what it means to run a modern law firm, how the role of a CEO differs from that of a Managing Partner, and the strategy behind Shoosmiths' transformation So why should you be listening in? You can hear Rob and David discussing:- Leadership Being About Influence and Followership- Building a Clear Strategy and Being Able to Make Difficult Decisions- Embracing AI and Tech to Transform Legal Service Delivery- Putting People, Culture and Clients at the Heart of Growth- The Importance of Being Ambitious, Resilient and Kind.Connect with David Jackson here - https://uk.linkedin.com/in/david-jackson-16ab9b8

We are excited to be back in Boston for Clio Con Clips 2026! The Legally Speaking Podcast™ returns as an official media partner, bringing you exclusive interviews, fresh insights and behind-the-scenes conversations from one of the world’s leading legal technology conferences. Our ClioCon Clips series features Clio’s leadership, legal tech pioneers, Reisman Award winners and industry changemakers exploring the latest developments in AI, legal innovation, access to justice and the future of the legal profession.In the first episode of this miniseries, we meet again with Ronnie Gurion, who is now president of Clio. He and Rob talk about his first year in the role and how it has changed as the company has grown from 500 to over 2,500 people. Ronnie credits Clio's growth to hiring exceptional leaders, especially for the new enterprise business under Scott Gibbs. He explains how Clio keeps its simple, customer-focused experience while moving up to large firms. He also describes combining acquisitions such as vLex into one integrated organisation and product suite. Clio is expanding into the judiciary and government sector, and Clio Work, now used by 10,000 firms, is expected to be its biggest growth driver. Ronnie says firms must adopt AI and avoid becoming irrelevant, and that success means happy customers. So why should you be listening in? You can hear Rob and Ronnie discussing:- Scaling Clio Through Exceptional Talent- Building Enterprises Alongside Small Firms- Integrating Acquisitions Into One Experience- Expanding Into Judiciary and Government Spheres- Driving Growth with Clio WorkConnect with Ronnie Gurion here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rgurion