Audio Branding

“Essentially, what musicians really need to understand is that the power to find success in sync is extremely accessible, and it’s right there in front of them as long as they’re willing to go and get it. There is no gate, right? There’s no gatekeeper. There’s nothing that you have to do or have, and there’s no one you have to know. It’s really just about being willing, and being willing to learn the ropes and do the work. – Nismah Osman This episode is the second half of my conversation with sync licensing expert and Music Licensing Mastery founder Nismah Osman as we discuss the social media grind indie musicians face these days, her advice for getting into sync licensing, and the hidden power of music in today’s world.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - The Future of Music and TechnologyOur discussion continues as we talk about how AI is transforming the music industry, and Nismah’s thoughts on whether it can replace sync musicians altogether. “It’s quality over quantity,” she explains. “Sometimes, you know, you can have a hundred really, really not-so-great tracks, and you have a hundred of them, sure, but they may not have the same value as one piece of really high-quality content.” We take a look at some of the other industries that have been shaken up by AI and what it might mean for sound. “It’s nuanced,” she says, “and I think there’s good and bad and everything in between. And it’s going to be something that kind of shows its true colors over time.”(0:07:39) - Opportunities in Sync LicensingNismah tells us about her experience as a musician and gives us an inside look at how social media and streaming platforms have changed the game for indie artists. “When I was on there,” she recalls, “I was witnessing and participating in the sheer amount of effort that musicians are putting into, you know, building these social followings just to try to convert them into streaming numbers.” She talks about how the pandemic transformed online gig work and helped her jump-start her music career, and the opportunities she’s found in writing music for sync licensing. “One of the many things I love about sync is that, really, there’s room for everyone,” she says. “The likelihood is really in your favor that you’re going to be able to find opportunities for whatever kind of music you make.”(0:14:13) - The Significance of Sound and MusicAs our conversation comes to a close, we talk about what it takes as a musician to make the jump into sync licensing, and her practical advice getting started. “The great thing is,” Nismah says, “most of the time, in my experience, you’re not starting from zero. You really do have a lot going for you. You just have to figure out what’s working, lean into those things, and then outsource the rest.” We also discuss the power of sound in today’s world, from lowering stress to building the soundtrack of our lives. “That’s why the music and the audio and the film industry are so huge,” she notes, “and why there’s such a huge demand, because sound and music and audio, it all matters, it all adds to that depth...

“I think people just kind of were, like, ‘Oh, hi,’ you know. They were supportive, they were nice, and, you know, they could tell I was a kid who had no idea what I was doing but was obviously passionate about music. I do remember one guy, though, telling me to make sure I went to college for something other than music and, at the time, I was like, ‘Okay, I’ll consider that.’ But he was really telling me, like, ‘I don’t know if you have what it takes.’ But I didn’t follow his advice. I ended up going to school for music, which I still am trying to figure out was a good or bad decision.” – Nismah Osman This episode’s guest is a songwriter, producer, vocalist, entrepreneur, feminist, and more. She’s been writing and producing songs for herself and other artists since 2005. She stumbled into the world of selling her music for film and television in 2011 and has since cracked the code on how to fund your passion for music. Her music has been featured in such series as Love is Blind, Dancing with the Stars, and Temptation Island. Some of her other wins include a degree from Berklee, songwriting and production credits on hundreds of songs, and a chance to learn from songwriting legend Kara DioGuardi, and she runs a vacation rental business on the Jersey shore as a side hustle.Her name is Nismah Osman, and she has a lot to share about how to make a living from making music these days. The industry’s certainly changed from even just five years ago. If you want to hear how Nismah does it, and how she’s helping other artists do the same, keep listening! As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Journey From Songwriting to Music CareerWe start things off with a look back at Nismah’s early memories of sound, and how a songwriting convention in her small town led to her very first sync licensing gig. “Obviously I was the youngest person in the room,” she recalls, “and I had no idea what I was doing. But I showed up with my little you know CD, you know, demos that I burned the night before.” She tells us about some of the encouragement, and the warnings, she got from older musicians, and a chance meeting at the next year’s convention that, at age thirteen, became her first music deal. “To this day, I get royalty checks for that song,” she says. “So that was like the first taste of like, ‘Okay, I can actually do this.’”(0:12:18) - Navigating Sync Licensing and Musical OpportunitiesNismah explains what sync licensing means, and the opportunities it presents for musicians. “The very short version of it,” she says, “is the music you hear in TV shows, movies, ads, et cetera. And there’s obviously a whole semi-complicated process for how you go about getting your music in those opportunities and on those platforms.” She talks more about that process and how a newcomer to sync might get started. “You proactively write music for these opportunities,” she tells us, “based on a set of criteria that generally work, and then you submit that music to, in the industry, they’re called music licensing agencies, and then those agencies receive...

“That’s the big problem. That’s the whole thing. You know, if it’s not done right, then it will definitely not be sustainable, it’ll just end up in some drawer after two weeks. And we’ve seen that a thousand times, how these great sounds are made, and then, after a few months, a week, it’s kind of like what happened? It’s just disappeared.’” – Simon Kringel This episode is the second half of my conversation with producer, sound designer, and co-founder of the sonic branding agency Unmute as we talk about the things to consider when building a sonic brand, what sets Europe and North America apart when it comes to marketing and brand building, and what new companies can learn from McDonald’s’ twenty-year-long sonic branding success. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Exploring Sonic Branding in UX DesignThe second half of our discussion begins with an audio clip of Simon’s work on Clever’s new brand, and he tells us the process behind its success, from incorporating natural elements to what he calls smashable design. “The whole idea of, you know, I call it smashable design,” he explains, “is so you can take things apart and they will still be recognizable on their own.” We talk about his work on brands ranging from streaming interfaces to telephone hold music, and why building an audio brand isn’t necessarily a one-and-done solution. “I think that’s an important point to make,” Simon tells us, “it’s that you cannot create a sonic identity for anybody just as one project.”(0:19:21) - The Evolution of Sonic BrandingWe talk about McDonald’s famous sonic logo, how it’s evolved and become more streamlined over the past two decades, and what we can learn from that process. “What’s amazing,” he says, “is that they’ve used it just consistently for more than twenty years and, of course, they managed to do all these variations and adaptations depending on whatever music is on the ad, but still, the core thing is being used consistently, consistently for so long.” Simon also tells us why, no matter which industry it is, excitement is key to building a successful brand. “You know you need to be excited about the new brand sound you have,” he adds, “otherwise it’s going to be difficult to fight for it.”(0:24:38) - The Role of Audio in BrandingThe conversation wraps up with his firsthand observations of branding differences between European and American markets. “I think what we’ve seen is that in North America,” he explains, “it has definitely been the ad agency who are the kings in this, and everything was, like, evolved around the ad agency and the creative.” We talk about why audio is so easily overlooked and how its subtlety can be an advantage for branding. “When we tell people about it,” he observes, “they’re suddenly like okay, they recognize the sound, but then it’s like, ‘I’ve never thought about it. It was just there.’” Episode SummarySimon’s sound work on Clever and his process for creating modular branding elements.How McDonald’s iconic jingle demonstrates the...

“I think we’ve all experienced how sound is kind of a last-minute decision in many creative projects or creative processes... That was actually the whole reason why we formed Unmute, because we thought, ‘Okay, we need to be the adults here and help brands understand the importance of this and the impact it has.’" – Simon Kringel This episode’s guest is the Sonic Director and co-founder of Unmute. He began his career composing and producing music for bands and artists, and, later on, for TV and advertising. In 2014, he joined Chimney, a global creation agency, and soon became their head of music, working with a wide range of international clients. Recognizing the growing demand for a specialized sound agency, he co-founded Unmute with Daniel Schougaard in 2018, and their company has been on the rise ever since. It’s now collaborating with brands and agencies all across the globe, connecting them with their audience through sound, music, and audible experiences. He’s created award-winning sonic identities for such brands as Novo Nordisk, Carlsberg Group, Bank of Ireland, KONE, Volleyball World, and UCI, and he’s on a mission to make sure that brands are heard, not just seen.His name is Simon Kringel, and there’s a lot we’ll be covering here, including using sound in product design, sonic branding as a design discipline, and the differences between North American and European branding when it comes to sound. That certainly isn’t all, so if you’re interested in how sound shapes our buying decisions and our user experience, you’ll want to check out this episode. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:01) - Evolution of Sound and BrandingOur conversation starts with Simon’s early memories of sound, and how putting on an audio play of his favorite comic books awakened his enthusiasm for audio production. “We kind of played out the characters,” he recalls, “and, you know, with different voices depending on who you were, and we did some Foley and some sound design when a gun was being shot or glass is broken.” He shares his career journey as a musician and sonic branding expert and talks about the leap of faith that led him to Unmute. “I think it’s also just about,” he explains, “have you teamed up with the right people, and are you ready to take a chance and just go for it? I mean, what’s the worst thing that could happen?”(0:14:11) - Sonic BrandingWe discuss the nuts and bolts of brand design, and how a haphazard approach to audio branding can lead to more work down the road. “What we saw,” Simon says, “was that there was no structure in this, so the brands could not, even though they understand what they’re trying to achieve, see how to actually go about it.” He talks about the relationship between imagery and sound, and the process of crafting a sonic brand that works in harmony with the brand identity. “It’s really interesting,” he tells us, “how we can actually take a visual shape, or visual form or visual expression, and turn that into a sound where you intuitively hear the connection. That’s where the magic happens to us.”(0:23:41) -

“AI, at least right now, is really adept at iteration, but not so adept at innovation. So I think it’s really good at augmenting the creative process, yeah, inspiring, but not necessarily great at coming up with something with all the nuances that, again, at a subconscious level, we might pick up on.” -- Steve Keller This episode is the second half of my conversation with audio researcher, creative consultant, and Sonic Strategy Director for SXM Media Steve Keller, as we talk about how algorithmic data is revolutionizing research, how the pandemic changed the way we relate to music and sound, and what we can learn from the movie Top Gun about the relationship between humans and AI. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) – AI Benefits in Marketing Creativity Our discussion picks up with a look at Steve’s work with the Journal of Psychology and Marketing and how AI-driven data is transforming the way we gather research data. “We’ve seen some results,” he explains, “where we’ve gotten really close to AI duplicating the results that we would get from a human panel.” We talk about one client’s clever strategy for using AI to decide what not to do, and we discuss what the latest developments in machine learning have in common with audio breakthroughs like vinyl records and MP3 files. “We have ways of researching to get to the answers,” Steve explains, “but you always have to start with the question, and I think sometimes we ask the wrong question.”(0:09:36) – The Power of Music During the Pandemic Since it’s been a few years since my last chat with Steve, we talk about how things have changed in the audio industry since the pandemic, and what the lockdown revealed about our relationship with music. “We would use music,” he says, “not just in terms of nostalgia, to remind us of happier times, but that music became this friend, particularly in lockdown, where it could help us experience the melancholy that was there.” Steve talks about the long-term benefits of adopting AI, and what he learned from a test of human vs. AI marketing. “We found that the real value of this,” he says, “was less about, you know, is AI a collaborator or a competitor, and more about how we manage talent in an age of AI.”(0:21:43) – The Value of Human-AI CollaborationWe continue our talk about his study on our ability to recognize AI. “Folks were really all over the map in the analysis,” Steve explains. “The individual that we were pitching things to, he wanted to guess who the teams were. He got all of them wrong.” We talk about how that study led to a surprising example of an AI prompting humans for output, and he shares what he calls Maverick’s Maxim, named after the famous character from Top Gun. “[Maverick] said ’it’s not the plane, it’s the pilot,’” Steve tells us, “and so I think this speaks to the importance of humans being in the loop.”Episode SummarySteve’s work with AI-driven research and unconventional uses for machine learning.How the pandemic, YouTube, and TikTok have changed...

“We should be hearing diverse voices. As I like to say, if the only time we’re hearing voices of color is in advertising to those segments, then we’ve not just segmented those voices, we’ve actually segregated them. So let’s lean into sonic diversity. You’ll create better representation and a better relationship for your brands with those communities at the same time, without having any negative impacts on your ad’s favorability or effectiveness.” -- Steve Keller This episode’s guest is the Sonic Strategy Director for Studio Resonate, SiriusXM Media’s in-house, audio-first creative consultancy offering support to brands that advertise on the Pandora, SiriusXM, and Soundcloud platforms. He’s recognized as a leading authority on sonic strategy, blending art and science into award-winning creative content and sonic experiences for a variety of global agencies and brands. With a degree in psychology and business, and over thirty years of experience in the music and advertising industries, his research explores the ways music, sound, and voice influence our perception and behavior and his writing on the subject can be found in a very large list of publications.His name is Steve Keller, and he and I first spoke in the very early days of this podcast, right before the pandemic started. I still consider his episode the most pivotal of this podcast, and he blew my mind on multiple occasions. He certainly does it again here, and you’ll get to hear it! As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Exploring Sonic Diversity in MediaAs we start our conversation, Steve tells us about his early memories of sound, including a surprising childhood discovery he made about train whistles. “One of the things I found out from talking to one of the engineers,” he explains, “is that there are patterns in the whistles almost like Morse code.” We talk about the subtext of sound that’s often hidden in plain sight, and how our unconscious biases can limit sonic diversity, whether it’s the vocal range audio codecs are built around or the roles AI voices are assigned. “We live in a diverse world,” Steve says. “We should be hearing diverse voices.”(0:11:27) - Navigating Bias in Sonic Diversity“One of the things that we’re trying to promote,” Steve tells us, “is to make sure that the synthetic voices that are being created are diverse, that the training populations that are used in developing these voices, that there’s diversity there.” We discuss how the early days of telephone and radio created audio biases that we’re still working to overcome, and the role AI voices will play as they continue to evolve. “The majority of them said yes, they could tell a difference,” Steve recalls a neuro-based study he led on distinguishing between human and AI voices, “but when we tested it, it was a flip of a coin whether or not they’d get it right. And the AI voices have improved even since we did that test.”(0:23:54) - Implications of AI in AdvertisingSteve tells us more about his work with AI, including the murky legal questions surrounding how AI learns...

“For all of us, we are gaining our trust, our stability, our hope, our aspirations, our inspirations, all come to us through the medium of sound. Video is important, right? But FDR was able to keep a country from going mad on the brink of fear and concern and anxiety by fireside chats over the radio during the war. And we still look to our presidents today, President Bush during 9/11, was able to speak to the audience through that bullhorn with that famous clip there to be able to say what he had to say. President Lincoln with his 272-word Gettysburg address was able to come and heal the nation there on that battlefield.” -- Micah Thomas This episode is the second half of my conversation with audible storytelling expert and Storymore CEO Micah Thomas as we discuss the role of music in audio storytelling, how classic cinema inspired Micah’s approach to sound, and the changes the pandemic brought to his company. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - The Power of Audio BrandingOur discussion continues as Micah shares the process of scoring audible stories, and how it differs from traditional movies. “The music scoring is actually done,” he says, “as the very last step. We don’t approach anything from a music-first standpoint.” He tells us how it has more in common with silent movies and their live piano players, not to mention the movie The Truman Show, and the advantages of such a story-first approach. “When we come back to it,” he tells us, “it’s like playing the audio drama and the music under it as it’s going, which allows a very organic sense of music creation.”(0:08:58) - Exploring Old-Time Radio and StorytellingMicah elaborates on Storymore’s approach to narrative, and how he found inspiration from some of Hollywood’s old masters, from Bing Crosby and Cecil B. DeMille to radio noir characters like Johnny Dollar and the Shadow. “It’s all good dialogue on the page,” he explains, “and a good character that can bring it out. So I would say that got planted early and developed really well through the years.”(0:13:31) - Sound, Content, and BrandingThe conversation closes with a look back at the pandemic, and how it transformed both the sound industry as a whole and the careers of some of his voice talents. “The major change wasn’t operational,” he says, “because people, or our cast anyway, are already working from home. But for those that still worked a day job and would come home and do this as a side gig or something like that, this was an opportunity for them now to have much more time to devote to it.” We discuss why sound matters more than ever in today’s world, what he’s working on next, and how listeners can check out Storymore. “The experience is free, no subscription fees or anything like that. We wanted everybody to have access to a good story, so you can check it out wherever you find your favorite podcast.”  Episode SummaryMicah’s insights on music scoring, from classic movies to church and wedding gigs.What vintage radio shows taught...

“Early on in that we noticed that there are so many people in the blind and visually impaired community that are underrepresented in the respect of entertainment, both as an entertainer and as the consumer. The only products they have are descriptive videos on Netflix or something like that. And so they can’t get the exact same experience as the sighted world when they’re dealing with forms of entertainment. So we shifted our focus to the blind and visually impaired market, both as people who could assist us in making these audio dramas, our stories, more original, as well as sound-designing these things in a 360-degree or surround sound way so that those whose world is nothing but sound, they really could enjoy it in a way that was meant just for them.” -- Micah Thomas This episode’s guest is a twenty-plus year content creator, armed with a Master’s Degree in Internet Marketing and a BA in Media Communications who’s found the right content to pour his energy into…sound. This father of six and husband of one has worked as a jack-of-all-trades in media but has become a master of audio and storytelling with his company Storymore. As a person with low vision, he has a passion for telling great stories in the best way he can, which led him to form a global group that’s disrupting the audio entertainment industry with its accomplishments. Chief among them is providing a platform that equalizes the playing field for those with visual disabilities.His name is Micah Thomas, and our discussion covers a variety of topics, from audio dramas and music to how AI is changing both those industries. I think you’ll really enjoy his insights! As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) – The Power of Audio EntertainmentWe start things off with a trip down memory lane as Micah recalls the radio plays and adaptations that helped inspire his career in sound. “The stories captivated me,” he tells us, “because of the voice actors and how real they sounded, and I think that’s the first time via audio that it actually brought tears to my eyes.” We talk about how Storymore uses sound production to bring stories to life for blind and visually impaired listeners, and we listen to a clip from the Storymore original suspense tale Barley. “We had one guy that said the sound was so good,” he says, “that ‘I had to literally turn my head. I thought someone was entering the room because I heard a door open behind me.’”(0:12:47) - AI Impact on Audio EntertainmentThe conversation turns to AI and how it’s opening up new creative possibilities while leaving room for a human touch at Storymore, and Micah shares with us both the cover art and a sound clip of the Storymore original mystery Alibi. “There’s just no way,” Micah explains, “at this point in time, especially, that AI can reach the levels and depths of emotion and her mental state that she’s in to provide this type of performance.” We also discuss the difference between audible dramas and traditional audiobooks, and the storytelling power of sound. “It allows you the opportunity to point your own cameras,” he tells us,...

“It’s definitely an important aspect of our lives, and we can start with a small thing, just, like, when you feel that something’s odd, just pause for a second and ask yourself what exactly is off. Is it the music? Is it the feeling? Is it, is there a physical need? Like, literally just pause it for a second and ask yourself this question. And it’s important, but not a lot of us are used to it.” -- Anna Bohuslavska This episode is the second half of my conversation with transformation coach and inner guide Anna Bohuslavska as we discuss how both positive and negative emotions can be contagious, her experience with music’s healing power, and how sound can help restore our connection to nature. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Power of Music and Voice HealingThe second half of our talk begins with Anna’s reflections on how music can spread emotions and connect us to one another. “The same happens at the concert,” she explains, “because, like, there’s a crowd and everyone really is in their emotions and you pick up on this emotion, and it’s like becoming one huge human being instead of every single one.” We also talk about the surprising impact vocal exercises can have on everything from building confidence to overcoming negative thought patterns, and her firsthand experience with its benefits. “Most of our way,” she says, “how we talk, our intonations, our high or low, everything is connected to the people around us, and it’s basically the habits that we picked up early in childhood and that we carry on in the life.”(0:06:01) - Finding Connection Through Sound & MusicAnna also shares how her own experience with music and dance has guided the way she helps clients reconnect with themselves. “I took the dance classes,” she recalls, “I did all the moves, but when I now look at those old recordings, I see that I didn’t feel the music.” She explains how the power of sound can help guide our lives. “Ask yourself what exactly is off,” she explains. “Is it the music, is it the feeling? Is there a physical need? Literally, just pause it for a second and ask yourself this question.”(0:18:35) - Inner PotentialOur discussion comes to a close as Anna shares her upcoming projects and community developments, and how we can get in touch with her. “I’m focusing on building my community,” she says, “and I’m working on launching my group program because I know that one-on-one is important for a lot of people, but there are a lot of people who need this sense of community.” She also tells us how sound can help us become our best selves: “I’m a strong believer that every single one of us has this inner potential to be the best person they dream of, and all it takes is to create the right surroundings.” Episode SummaryHow music and voice can influence our emotions and help foster deeper relationships.Connecting with ourselves through voice training and discovering our inner music.Sound’s link to the natural world, and some of Anna’s current and upcoming...

“If you play on an instrument for a while, for example, every day for a week, for example, or something like that, you will start noticing that you have your own melody that you will play over and over again. And it could be that the melody changes while your emotion changes. It can be that, just the speed of the melody will change. But basically, you will have your own melody, and it’s interesting to see how it evolves through the time.” -- Anna Bohuslavska This episode’s guest is a transformational coach and inner guide who’s helping women bring joy and fulfillment to their everyday lives. She’s a mother of two, a craft maniac, and a dance lover. She’s been passionate about psychology for as long as she can remember, and she’s been fortunate enough to learn from some of the greatest minds of our day while employing her own holistic approach to well-being. She seamlessly blends together coaching techniques, art therapy, mindfulness, and more.Her name is Anna Bohuslavska, and our conversation is all about using sound for healing. If this is an interest of yours, I hope you’ll give this one a listen – it’s a very inspirational discussion! As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Inner Work and Music Therapy EvolutionAs our discussion starts, Anna talks about how the birth of her son inspired her to learn more about the psychology of sound, and how her work led to a community of like-minded women. “That’s why I started searching for other sources of information,” she explains, “and I was happy to find an online community that was all about parenting, and I felt like this is what will help me.” We discuss sound’s ability to tap into our deepest emotions and memories, and music therapy’s role in boosting our mood and broadening our perspective. “It’s about listening,” Anna says, “it’s about moving under the sound, it’s all this spectrum. But it helps a lot, and the simplest thing that I advise every single of my clients is to just, like, know what different types of music move you in different directions.”(0:16:44) - Musical Evolution and Personal ExpressionWe continue with the story of Anna’s journey from Ukraine and around the world to her home in Texas, and her secret to getting in touch with our own inner melody. “If you play on an instrument for a while,” she tells us, “you will start noticing that you have your own melody, that you will play over and over again, and it could be that the melody changes while your emotion changes... basically, you will have your own melody, and it’s interesting to see how it evolves through the time.” Episode SummaryMusic’s influence on our lives, and how it can help us overcome past traumas.Anna’s journey from Ukraine to Texas, and the cognitive impact of creating music. Tune in for part two of my conversation with Anna as we discuss how background sounds, even the sound of our own voice in our ears, can influence our daily lives, how vocal exercises can help forge a deeper connection with ourselves, and her advice for...

“Social media, if you want to be on all of the places, it’s a best practice to have your voice be represented in those places. But, also, the content is representative for that place. People go to Instagram with an expectation, they go to YouTube with an expectation, they open up your audio podcast with an expectation of a more immersive experience. So there’s different ways and there’s different ways that you need to be putting your information in the post. And so you can’t just take something that somebody gives you and just, that’s the same content that goes into TikTok, into Instagram, into YouTube.” -- Chris Stone This episode’s the second half of my Clubhouse chat with Livestream Universe founder Ross Brand, Cast Ahead’s Chief Content Entrepreneur Chris Stone, Favorite Daughter Media president Sara Lohse, and Red Hat Media CEO Larry Roberts, as we talk about the future of social media content creation, the most useful AI tools currently available, and whether AI can help save a marriage. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:01) - AI Content Creation and PersonalizationAs the second half of our chat begins, the panelists share some of their less-than-ideal experiences with trying to coax ChatGPT into an authentic writing style. “I have never in my life said the word delve,” Sara recalls, “but ChatGPT wants me to ‘delve’ into every topic.” We also take a question from John, who shares his experience with running a 100% AI podcast from start to finish, and Larry talks about his experience writing a hybrid-AI book and the process of crafting each chapter. “I think the exercise you’re going through,” Larry says, “is what we as content creators need to do so that we understand these tools and we understand how these tools can complement what we’re doing.”(0:08:36) - Maximizing AI in Content CreationChris adds his thoughts on the importance of human oversight when it comes to AI, and we discuss whether AI could eventually render human creativity obsolete. “I think everyone pretty much agrees here that using AI is something that we need to do,” Chris explains, “and I look at it more of like assistive intelligence or administrative intelligence.” We talk about the clerical work AI can handle for us while retaining our authentic voices. “I think everybody here,” Ross says, “and, and pretty much anybody who’s competitive in this space, their biggest competitive advantage is themselves.”(0:20:01) - Content Creation Tools and StrategiesAs our talk comes to a close, Chris shares how AI can help us keep up with and customize our content across a range of social media platforms. “People go to Instagram with an expectation,” he explains. “They go to YouTube with an expectation. They open up your audio podcast with an expectation of a more immersive experience.” Finally, we take a question from a listener about the best AI tools currently available, and we ponder whether AI can even improve a marriage. “It can definitely help you write poems and happy anniversary sonnets,” Larry says, “and, I mean, it can make you sound and feel like you...

“People either have a vision of a Utopian wonderland out there, that we’re going to create all this amazing stuff with AI, or, on the flip side, everybody thinks it’s going to be a dystopian wasteland when we start using AI, and everybody’s going to be out of work, and the robots are going to take over... And it’s very difficult to find anybody that has that middle ground. But it’s conversations like we’re having here that’s going to allow us to establish that middle ground. And as we continue to educate the public, and as we continue to expose these tools and teach people how to use these tools and let them know the limitations of these tools as they exist today, I think more and more people are going to become more and more comfortable with the integration of AI as tools and not replacements.” -- Larry Roberts Some discussions lend themselves to more than one perspective. That’s definitely the case with sound in social media, and recently I had a Clubhouse room full of experts with a lot to say about it. They are Ross Brand, founder of Livestream Universe and author of the 100 Livestreaming & Digital Media Predictions series; Chris Stone, Chief Content Entrepreneur at Cast Ahead; Sara Lohse, President of Favorite Daughter Media and author of Open This Book: The Art of Storytelling for Aspiring Thought Leaders; and Larry Roberts, CEO of Red Hat Media and co-host of the Branded Podcast. Our round-table discussion covered a lot of information on sound in social media, as you would expect, but we also delved into how AI is shaping that landscape, for better and worse. It made for a fascinating and fun discussion, and I’m glad to be able to share it with you now. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Sound in Social MediaOur Clubhouse chat starts with introductions from each of our four panelists, and we focus on social media and the role sound plays in getting your message out. “Social media is interesting,” Ross says, “because sometimes you have to change it up as well, which kind of goes against some of the rules of sonic branding.” Chris tells us the simple secret to incorporating video in your audio brand, and Larry and Sara share their thoughts about machine learning and how important it is to keep pace with the growth of AI. “If we’re not aware and we don’t start making the adjustments we need to make this early in the game,” Larry notes, “we’re going to wake up in 12 months and go ‘oh my gosh.’"(0:14:48) - AI in Audio Production DebateRoss discusses the AI tools he uses in his studio, and Sara outlines the difference between using AI to improve content versus creating it. “What I don’t necessarily do,” she explains, “is use AI to the degree that some people do for content creation. I’ll do it for ideas, but kind of like what was said before, it’s still about those genuine stories.” We discuss the role that human stories and perspectives play in guiding AI content and the challenge of “AI proofing” the next generation. “I stress, with the people that I work with and myself,” Chris tells us, “to be excellent... at what...

“Specifically as it relates to voiceover, that was, the whole industry has shifted hugely, as you know, and it has democratized the industry a huge amount, which is, you know, I appreciate. You know, some people made a lot of claims about their studio when COVID first happened, and it wasn’t true. And so they would go on to live sessions, and there were dogs barking, and the neighbor revving their engine, and people mowing their lawn. And these, it wasn’t usable and, and so a lot of people were scared of hiring anyone from home, then a lot of producers [were] like ‘oh no It has to be in-studio.’ Now I think we’ve reached an equilibrium where everyone’s kind of figured it out. ‘Oh, you know the pros have figured it out.’" -- Jamie Muffett This episode is the second half of my conversation with renowned voiceover artist, podcast producer, and RPS founder Jamie Muffett as we discuss how the pandemic and machine learning have reshaped the audio industry, the advantages of AI when it comes to everything from research to sound editing, and what the latest voice-cloning breakthrough has in common with 1960s record deals. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Business of Voiceover Events and eVOcationOur discussion continues as Jamie tells us about the challenges of founding the voiceover business conference eVOcation just before the start of the pandemic. “It was so weird that there was no New York event other than, like for audiobook people,” he recalls. “And so we found out why: because it’s really difficult.” We talk about how the event evolved through the lockdown and became a lifeline for its very first participants.“I think that was kind of what kept me sane while I was locked in the house,” he says. “We’ve had in-jokes from that event that have carried through even until today.”(0:07:48) - Impact of AI on Voiceover IndustryThe topic turns to machine learning and its expanding role in everything from writing content to composing music. “I think everyone is just throwing everything at the wall right now, and just seeing what’s going to stick,” Jamie says, “and I don’t know what is going to stick, you know, in terms of that permanent change.” He shares his own experience with AI tools and we discuss how much of an impact generative content might have in the long run. “There’s going to be a market for all of the above where the content doesn’t really matter and never really mattered,” he explains. “I use this example, [it’s] like when microwave dinners came in and restaurants were quaking in their boots.”(0:19:30) - AI in Music, Podcasting, and Editing“The more AI video and pictures and text that goes out into the world,” Jamie remarks as we talk about the future of AI development, “the more it’s feeding into itself. So, you know, who knows where it’s going to go? It might even get worse because it’s using itself as source material.” He shares a before and after AI audio clip that reveals its startling potential as a sound editing tool, and the variety of uses he’s found for ChatGPT in his production schedule. “It’s not...

“There was one we did a few years ago. This was while COVID was going on and it was with Nicolas Cage. And he was such a surprising guy. I mean, we all know, kind of… He’s an unusual fella. His films run the gamut really, and stylistically and genre. But he showed up early to get the tech right. He was super chatty. I always gauge, like, how someone is based on how they work with me because I’m not the host of that show. And if they’re sort of friendly and helpful and wanting to get things right with me, it’s usually a good sign that they’re, you know, not just there for the glory of being on the show.” -- Jamie Muffett After twenty years of experience as an audio engineer and podcast producer with millions of downloads, as well as a successful voice talent and lead producer, my next guest founded RPS, a boutique podcast production company that turns the spark of an idea into compelling, beautiful-sounding podcasts. He’s worked with such companies as HBO, Warner Brothers, Google, NBC, Backstage, and National Geographic, helping them to create captivating and engaging audio content that resonates with audiences. His production clients include the likes of Nicole Kidman, Hugh Jackman, Sir Patrick Stewart, Natalie Portman, Janelle Monáe, and many more.His name is Jamie Muffett and not only does he craft incredible-sounding podcasts, he also co-hosts VOcation, a voice conference about the business of voiceover. You may also recognize his voice from his narration of the TV show Bondi Vet and some of its spin-offs. If you’re interested in podcasting, voiceovers, or sound in general, you’re going to get a lot from this conversation.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - From Music to PodcastingAs our conversation starts, we talk about Jamie’s early memories of sound and what inspired him to become a musician and voice artist. “I think probably the first memory of sound that moved me was hearing ‘Imagine’ for the first time,” he says. “Obviously it’s a great song, it’s an iconic song, but as a kid, I’d never been exposed to creativity like that before.” We discuss the early days of digital workstations and cassette recorders, and how Jamie’s career shifted to podcasting. “I was so focused on voiceover and music,” he recalls, “and as music drifted away and production drifted away, I started sort of leaning more into podcasting, because it’s sort of a combination of those two worlds.”(0:10:33) - Podcast Production and Audio BrandingOur conversation turns to some of Jamie’s most memorable production moments, such as helping Nicolas Cage prepare for an interview. “I always gauge, like, how someone is based on how they work with me,” he explains, “because I’m not the host of that show, and if they’re sort of friendly and helpful and wanting to get things right with me, it’s usually a good sign.” We talk about his podcast production company RPS and how it all started with a suggestion from his wife. "‘Why don’t you just put it under a banner,’” he recalls her saying. "‘Create a company that you can put it all together, you can highlight all the different shows that...

“People are actually tuning in from their phones or, like, listening on Spotify or whatever while they’re shopping. And they actually measured how conscious people were of what they were spending. So yeah, it’s just really fascinating. It influences us in so many ways that I don’t even think we’re conscious of.”“Oh, absolutely. I totally agree with that 100%. You know, they play music at sporting events, they play music, you know, virtually everywhere you go. It’s a component of everything. You just have to stop and listen to really be able to identify it. And yeah, now it’s got me wondering if I’m getting music piped into places I’m walking in. ‘Why am I so hungry right now?’ You know? ‘Why do I want to have pancakes?’" -- Chris Stone This episode is the second part of my interview with longtime podcast producer, podcast host, and live streamer Chris Stone as we talk about the versatility of podcasting, some of the most memorable interviews he’s produced, and how sound impacts our lives in some surprising ways. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Impactful Podcast Episodes and Audience EngagementThe second half of our interview begins with some of Chris’s most memorable podcast productions, such as a powerful interview with author and Afghan veteran Thomas Schueman. “We got some feedback from that show,” he says, “that, really, you could tell people were impacted by that and it kind of made us change a little bit of the direction of the show.” The conversation turns to the versatility of podcasting and the importance of planning ahead, even when the episode itself is unscripted. “I think there are people that need to understand,” he explains, “like, if you want to take this seriously, you have to, you have to, you know, be excellent. And that means you know, have a pre-call.”(0:12:00) - Podcast Episode With Bret MichaelsWe talk about another unforgettable interview he produced with musician Bret Michaels and the challenge he faced of working around Bret’s demanding tour schedule. “I had to route him in through my mixer,” Chris tells us, “and kind of pull him in and I was, like, spinning plates and doing all kinds of wild stuff here to just kind of get him in. Well, we got him in and it was a fantastic interview.” Our conversation turns to his earliest memories of sound, and his dad’s passion for the trumpet. “You know, music is just in my DNA,” he says, “it’s just a part of everything. It’s why I got in the music business, why I started playing bands, it’s… it’s really why I do everything.”(0:18:05) - The Power of Sound in PodcastingChris shares his thoughts about what makes sound so important in our daily lives, and its hidden value in podcasting. “No one listens to an audio podcast because it sounds so good, right?” he explains. “They listen to an audio podcast because of what you’re delivering to them, and no one is going to receive what you’re delivering if they can’t hear you clearly and understand you.” We also discuss how sound is used to influence everything from social media to shopping...

“An intro video needs to let people know, ‘Hey, this is who the show’s for, and this is what you’re about to see, what you’re about to witness.’ And that audio is a huge component of it. It has to really, just, it has to just feel right. There’s really not a way to explain it, even though that’s kind of my job here on a podcast is to explain it. But it has to feel like, ‘Oh, wow, this,’ without saying, ‘Oh, I really love the beat here,’ or ‘I love this guitar solo here.’ It just has to all just blend together, to kind of say, ‘Okay, boom, the show’s about to start. And this is for me.’" -- Chris Stone In the world of podcasting and live streaming, Chris Stone stands out with over twenty-five years of experience in the music industry. Chris’s journey began with the transformative power of his co-hosted podcasts, which propelled him to help others achieve success in creative, financial, physical, and spiritual aspects. Since then, he’s founded Cast Ahead, a consultancy that empowers entrepreneurs, influencers, thought leaders, and businesses to amplify their stories and extend their reach.His expertise extends to producing content for prominent speakers, developing and producing podcasts like Sales Influence and The Big Ticket Life, and co-hosting the Amazon Live show Dealcasters alongside Jim Fuhs. This show has become a trusted authority in live video and podcasting, and Chris’s belief that everyone deserves to be heard drives his mission to integrate podcasting and live streaming into business strategies, thereby educating and attracting a broader audience. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Podcast Community and Production InsightsWe start the conversation off with a look at Chris’s work on Cast Ahead and simplifying the podcasting process, as well as the secret to an impactful intro video. “Most people,” he says, “they want a podcast, but they just want to be able to show up, turn on their cameras, flip their microphone open and do a show, and that’s what we do for them.” He tells us about his “station identification” approach to intros and why the opening moments of a podcast are critical, and the often-overlooked value of a podcast in networking with guests and the audience. “The most underrated component of podcasting is the ability to network,” Chris explains. “You know, and I think totally a lot of these people, like you said, [who are] smarter than you, smarter than me, [that] I just can’t believe I’ve had on our show.”(0:10:53) - The Importance of Audio QualityChris shares his process for finding the right music for a podcast, and how he incorporates both the host and brand into his decision. “He’s got a belt buckle,” he says about one podcast client, “he drives a truck and, you know, he serves a very particular type of entrepreneur and business leader, and so I’m not going to put something that sounds like Taylor Swift underneath his intro video.” We discuss how bad audio is costing celebrities their listening audience, his advice for boosting sound quality in a home studio environment, and the...

“I think the biggest mistake most people, most businesses make when they go into that project is they think it’s a story about them, but the reality is it’s a story about your customer and how you help them in their story. And that’s the way we try to frame it. With the narration, with the visuals, with the music, from the story. It’s really trying to connect with that viewer on, ‘What is the problem you’re having?’ Why are you reaching out to this company in the first place? What has piqued your interest?” -- Mark Wonderlin This episode is the second half of my interview with business filmmaker, marketing expert, and Mosaic Media Films founder Mark Wonderlin as we discuss the importance of storytelling when it comes to video marketing, the different social media strategies for local versus global marketing, and about Mark’s philosophy that “the most expensive video is the one that doesn’t work.” As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Different Types of Marketing VideosThe second half of our conversation starts as Mark shares his memories of a powerful video he recorded about a cancer patient, and the crucial role sound played in bringing her story to life. “I worked on this project personally,” he recalls, “and, you know, still to this day, like seven years later, I mean, it’ll bring tears to my eyes.” We discuss the two kinds of marketing videos, brand promos and testimonial videos, the different approaches he takes to each one, and how social media has upended some of the old rules. “The thing about TikTok,” he says, “is that people’s attention spans are just getting shorter and shorter and shorter because there’s just so much content out there.”(0:09:26) - Digital Marketing and Social Media StrategyWe also talk about how Mark’s social media strategies can vary depending on both the company and their customer base. “So, like a B2B company is not gonna really perform really well on Facebook,” he notes, “just because of the pool of the audience there, whereas a B2C company will do better because they’re consumer-based products.” He explains the different approaches between social media videos and more traditional advertising campaigns, as well as what they have in common. “It’s just a matter of the targeting,” Mark explains. “So the better you’re targeting, the better you’re going to be.”(0:19:53) - The Impact of Sound in MediaMark also shares his thoughts about the explosion of AI in the industry, particularly AI voices and how commonplace they’ve become on social media lately. “There’s this one AI voice company I’ve heard,” he recounts, “and it’s weird because they were showing samples of it, like, on a podcast or a YouTube video, and I hear that voice all the time now on YouTube.” We discuss whether virtual voiceovers can save a client money, and why he thinks human artists shouldn’t be written off just yet. “You save money on the front end,” Mark says, “but you’ll lose on the back end because people are just bouncing. They’re leaving because they’re turned off by the non-professionalism of the...

“I think a part of that is because, you know, 75% of people, like, on Facebook, will not listen to sound, so they don’t really equate it as much, or they don’t understand the value of it. However, sound is very, like, people are very unforgiving when it comes to sound. So people take in 50% of the experience through sound and that’s a combination of, like, music, narration, sound design elements, and if you can’t hear what the person’s saying when you’re watching it, people will turn it off right away.” -- Mark Wonderlin My guest this week is the driving force behind Mosaic Media Films, and he brings more than expertise in video production – he brings a strategic marketing mindset. What sets his company apart is the unwavering focus on the marketing side of video content: he collaborates closely with clients, delving into the sales and marketing strategies of their businesses. This understanding allows him to create videos strategically tailored to drive traffic and boost sales.His name is Mark Wonderlin, and our discussion will range from hints on how to get the most out of longer-form content and where sound plays a part in the marketing and production of a great video to how best to use sound to sell, all while remaining authentic to your brand. As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available and what the newest audio chats will be about. If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. (0:00:00) - Sound in Video ProductionWe begin the episode with Mark’s earliest, most influential memories of sound, from playing basketball with his childhood friends to R&B groups like Boyz II Men and P.M. Dawn as a teenager. “I remember having the cassette player, listening to those cassettes, driving in my parents’ minivan,” he recalls. “Whenever I hear those songs it’s super nostalgic.” Our conversation turns to how he first got into video production, the unconscious impressions that sound design creates, and the challenge of keeping viewers engaged on platforms like TikTok, where you might have just a few seconds to make an impression. “I’m a big proponent of documentary filmmaking,” Mark adds. “Depending on the brand, it’s really good to just have that one-to-one narration directly connecting with the prospect.”(0:15:44) - Importance of Audio Branding ConsistencyThe discussion shifts to audio branding and the role it plays in video production, from including musical motifs and sonic logos to keeping the same voice talent for a more consistent audio brand. “They’ll use a campaign,” Mark says about auto companies, “and use the same voice throughout because it creates that feeling and emotion they want to invoke. Is it a male voice that’s really gritty? Is it a female voice that’s really soft and trusting?” We also talk about resisting the temptation to shake things up for the listener. “I think another mistake that companies typically make,” he explains, “usually smaller businesses, is the importance of consistency in branding. Because they’ll get tired of it and they’ll just want to change it. But to new prospects, they’re seeing it for the first time.”(0:19:59) - Effectiveness of Sonic BrandingMark also talks about the hidden

“The piano is the same way. The piano has a hammer that goes like that on the string. The harpsichord has a pintrip that is plucked, all right? What do you do on the guitar? You actually pluck the string or hit it like a hammer in a way. So, in a certain way of thinking, the guitar is not the stringed instrument that everyone thinks it is. On the other hand, what makes the guitar so difficult? The double stops, the triple stops, quadruple stops.” -- Jonathan TaylorThis episode is the second half of my conversation with musician and international concert artist Jonathan Taylor as we discuss the healing power of music, composing cinematic guitar compositions, and the surprising reason why the guitar might not be a string instrument after all.As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every other Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(0:00:01) - Power of Sound and Space ExplorationAs the second half of our discussion begins, we talk about his chance meeting with the head of JPL during a music tour flight. “So we were talking,” Jonathan says, “and I didn’t rail at him, but I said, ‘You know, NASA really blew it.’ And he goes, ‘What? excuse me, sir?’” He shares more of his thoughts on the Space Race and what being a musician has taught him about holding onto an audience. “Even after two landings on the moon,” he recalls their conversation, “the viewership went like to nothing because everyone was bored. I said, ‘Well, you have to have a new project.’”(0:05:57) - Power of Healing Through MusicJonathan also recalls the places and events that made the deepest impression on him, including one listener at a concert whose life was literally transformed as a result. “A man had come into the auditorium,” he remembers his manager telling him, “and he was going to kill himself and he was on the brink of suicide, and he heard the concert and he decided not to kill himself.” We talk about sound’s power to reach out to people in unexpected ways, and he shares his thoughts on why the guitar isn’t necessarily a string instrument, or, at least, isn’t exactly played like one. “In executing a passage on the guitar to that exploding sound that you hear,” he says, “people ask, ‘How do you create that?’ And my answer is. ‘I release the energy.’ But it’s not enough for me to just tell you that.”(0:18:55) - Music and Filmmaking With Jonathan TaylorAs our conversation comes to a close, Jonathan reminds us once more of the new app he’s released, which you can find a link to at the bottom of this page. “I forgot to tell you,” he jokes, “I forgot to mention that, I don’t know what’s the matter. I’m forgetting so many...

“And so the concert comes, and, about the ending piece of the concert. I didn’t know who I was. All that vanity and ego, ‘I’m a classical musician,’ all of that stuff, those labels go right out the window. And why is that? Because it’s down to survival time now.” -- Jonathan TaylorThis episode’s guest is a California native who’s currently representing the U.S. as an American Cultural Specialist in South America and the Caribbean. He’s performed sold-out concerts for such luminaries as UN delegates, American ambassadors, and foreign heads of state. During his formative years in the 1970s and ‘80s, he studied music at Chapman University and was head of the music department at the Newport Institute of the Arts in Southern California. He’s known for his virtuosity and unique transcriptions and has performed extensively throughout Europe, North and South America, and Asia. He was one of the very first artists to record digitally back in the early ‘90s and he’s set about creating a catalogue of over three hundred tracks. His music is streaming worldwide on iTunes, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, Sirius Radio, and most streaming services everywhere.His name is Jonathan Taylor, and our two-part discussion is a must-listen for anyone interested in the power of sound – and particularly the power of music. Prepare to be inspired!As always, if you have questions for my guest, you’re welcome to reach out through the links in the show notes. If you have questions for me, visit audiobrandingpodcast.com where you’ll find a lot of ways to get in touch. You can also join regular Clubhouse chats in The Power of Sound House every other Wednesday (check the schedule for times). Plus, subscribing to the newsletter will let you know when the new podcasts are available, when new audio rooms are scheduled and what they'll be about, and it'll give you access to a resource called The Studio with lots of interesting sound-related mp3s, videos, educational pdfs, and exclusive discounts from previous guests.If you’re getting some value from listening, the best ways to show your support are to share this podcast with a friend and leave an honest review. Both those things really help – and I’d love to feature your review on future podcasts. You can leave one either in written or in voice format from the podcast’s main page. I would so appreciate that.(0:00:00) – Musical Journey and Touring AdventuresThe episode starts off with a look back at the start of Jonathan’s musical journey, and the grandmother who played the organ for silent movie productions. “Those things,” he says, “I’m sure, influenced me, and I started picking out tunes, you know, on the ukulele, because the guitar would have been too big for my fingers at that age.” He talks about the challenge of mastering, rather than just being proficient at, music, and the difficult promise he made to himself at age fourteen to truly master the guitar. “It is saying that you have made an oath to yourself,” he explains, “which is the only oath anyone can really make, and that it is going to require tremendous labor and work and discovery.”(0:16:51) – Jonathan’s Encounters Around the WorldOur conversation turns to the tours he’s been on all over the world, and how it’s broadened his perspective as a musician and as a person. “Once one steps out of the door of their domicile,” Jonathan tells us, “something will happen because you are now out into the world.” We talk about some of the famous people he met while touring in India and one memorable occasion at an ambassador’s house when music and politics...