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Join "the Recruitment Coach" Mark Whitby as he and his guests unpack the secrets of what it takes to be a profitable and long-lived professional in the recruitment industry.
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When I ask recruiting and search firm owners, “what is your Vision for your business?” the answer is often a variation on the following theme. They tell me, “Mark, I don’t want to build a large firm with hundreds of employees and huge overheads.  I’d much rather have a small, high-performing team so we can generate 7-figures while keeping overheads low and staff management issues to a minimum.”   Of course, that’s easier said than done.  Few in our industry manage to make the leap from 6-figure solo practitioner to the 7-figure firm owner.  After all, hiring and managing remote employees can be a real challenge.  For many, the additional hassles and headaches involved are not worth the effort.  Yet if you get it right, the rewards are obvious.  How do you set things up so the business runs like a well-oiled machine? To answer that question, I invited Rob Bowerman to share his experiences as someone who’s successfully made that journey.  In this episode, Rob talks about his transition from being an executive recruiter to building his own recruitment team. Rob shares his best practices and as well as the hurdles he’s faced, giving practical insights on several key business issues, from managing your workload to managing staff turnover.  Rob started The Bowerman Group (TBG) in 2009 after having been a successful Executive Recruiter since 1994. TBG serves the retail industry, particularly specialty on luxury brands, and has developed long-standing relationships with many respected American and European designer apparel, accessory, jewelry, and home furnishing companies. Rob currently serves as the President of The Pinnacle Society, the premier consortium of industry-leading recruiters in North America. Episode Outline and Highlights [1:33] Rob talks about the Pinnacle Society and why he got involved [9:30] How the Bowerman Group is dealing with the current challenges brought about by the pandemic. [13:46] Lessons learned from starting his firm in 2009 during a recession. [21:26] Two critical elements of managing a team remotely. [26:20] Should you stay as a solo practitioner or should you build your own team? Listen to Rob’s great career advice. [28:40] Managing your workload - the formula for when to outsource certain tasks. [32:41] How to avoid hiring mistakes and high staff turnover - a common challenge faced by the many recruitment business owners [35:55] Rob shares his greatest achievements and biggest hurdles. Effectively Managing a Small Virtual Team Even before the pandemic, Rob has been successfully running a small virtual team. When discussing best practices on managing a team virtually, he gave two key pointers: (1) Stay connected as a team, (2) Stay involved and support them as you can.  “It’s daily setting out what are your goals for the day, and on Monday what your goals for the week, and holding people accountable for that. So I think honestly that morning time together is the most important function. Like everyone sharing, “this is what I’m doing,” “this is my focus,” “this is where I need support,” And how is this affecting the team relationship? “We actually only physically see each other, even in good times, three or four times a year but we feel like we see each other every day.” The Formula for Deciding When to Outsource Certain Tasks Managing a small recruitment team can also be daunting. As a business owner, you have to run the company, run your desk, and you are also a manager - you have to do training, coaching, on top of process management. How should you juggle all those responsibilities? Rob shared a very practical formula.  “Figure out first and foremost what you can outsource… If you do the simple math… look at your annual earnings, what you want it to be. Divide it to calculate your hourly rate. Say that comes out to be $400. Then, anything that’s not worth $400 an hour, somebody else should be doing that.” Rob Bowerman Bio and Contact Info Rob started The Bowerman Group in 2009 after having been a successful Executive Recruiter since 1994.  He discovered his passion for Search following a career in merchandising and shares his love for the industry with his team, clients, and candidates every day. Carving out a unique niche that focused on specialty and luxe brands, he has developed long-standing relationships with many respected American and European designer apparel, accessory, jewelry, and home furnishing companies.  Rob had a vision of creating a boutique firm that matched the unique profile of this niche—excellence, brand heritage, and an unwavering dedication to quality.   This vision has manifested itself into a dynamic group that is experiencing consistent year-over-year increases in successfully completed searches within TBG’s unique niche. Rob currently serves as the President of The Pinnacle Society, the premier consortium of industry-leading recruiters in North America.  He is proud of his association with this group of the “best and brightest” within the search profession as well as honored to be the only “retail guy” in the organization. Rob Bowerman on LinkedIn The Bowerman Group website link The Bowerman Group on Facebook The Bowerman Group on Instagram The Bowerman Group on Youtube People and Resources Mentioned Rich Rosen on LinkedIn Sharon Hulce on LinkedIn Next Level Exchange on LinkedIn Pinnacle Society Website link Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.recruitmentcoach.com/strategy-session/ Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #6 Habits of a Million-Dollar Biller, with Rich Rosen  TRR #28 Recruiter Midlife Crisis: Boredom, Burnout and Reigniting Your Passion, with Sharon Hulce Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
Recruitment is a tough job. High pressure and long hours are the norm, combined with extreme emotional highs and lows.  It’s no wonder that burnout has always been a big problem in our industry.  Now the issue is compounded by the coronavirus pandemic, which has brought increased anxiety and feelings of uncertainty.  How do you build a high-performing team while taking care of your employees’ mental health and well-being - especially in this time of crisis? My special guest, Paul Hallam is a founding member of Six Degrees Executive, Australia’s leading independent, specialist executive recruitment consultancy.  In this interview, he shares how they grew to net fee income of $25 million AUD a team of 85 people in 3 offices, while placing mental health and well-being at the heart of their people strategy.  Listen as Paul reveals Six Degrees Executive’s holistic approach to ensuring that their employees’ well-being and mental health are protected.  Hear simple yet effective practices that they apply to ensure that people in their recruitment business are “doing OK.” Episode Outline and Highlights [1:20] Paul shares how they are dealing with COVID19’s impact on their business. [6:00] A holistic approach in addressing your employees’ health and well-being. [14:50] Paul shares three key success factors that enabled him to scale his business to 85 people and $25M. [26:05] Paul’s valuable insights on people retention and diversity and inclusion. [37:02] Best practices for planning and creating business strategies. [40:49] Specific investments in technology that enabled Six Degrees to amplify their success. A Holistic Approach to Addressing Mental Health For Paul, the mental health and well-being of his people is the most paramount thing.  Paul shares, “The hardest and toughest day of my life in Six Degrees’ history was when I had to tell people that one of their team members… had taken his own life. We had always been conscious of people’s mental health, but when something like that happens, mental health is probably the most important that we look at when looking after people.” At Six Degrees, they make sure that people are not worked to the bone, not working too hard but have a really good balance in life. They would even enforce vacations if people haven’t taken the holidays they’re entitled to.   In Australia, annually on the second Thursday of September, they hold what they call R U OK? Day which encourages Australians to connect with people who have emotional insecurity, address social isolation, and promote community cohesiveness.  For Paul, it is “not just asking are you okay, but asking second and third questions and also educating people to make sure they see the signs that when people are not okay. In Six Degrees, every day is R U OK? Day. not just one day a year.”   When Scaling Your Business, Diversity and Inclusion Contributes to People Retention “One of the things we are very proud of is in our business, we are a diverse organization. Historically recruitment companies hire like-minded people. We have great diversity and representation of females and females in leadership positions as well. We also have very progressive policies when it comes to maternity/paternity leaves...We also have a father and mother with the same child in this office and they have flexible working arrangements to make it work for them.” Paul proudly shared how they value diversity and inclusion when talking about scaling their business and retaining valuable employees. Additionally, they ensure the learning and development of their employees while being engaged and actively listening to their needs as well. Paul Hallam Bio and Contact Info Paul is one of the founding directors at Six Degrees, an equity shareholder and board member. Paul’s recruitment and search career began in 1996 and he is widely renowned as one of the most connected executive search consultants in Australia. He manages executive search engagements for Retail, Consumer Goods, and Healthcare industries, recruiting General Manager, CEO and Director and C Level roles. Prior to establishing Six Degrees, Paul spent eight years with Michael Page International, establishing their newly formed Sales & Marketing Division in the Victorian market. In 2002, he was promoted to the Australian Board of Directors with responsibility for the National Sales & Marketing Division, as well as managing some of the company’s major preferred supplier relationships. Paul’s philosophy in life and in recruitment is: “look for three things in people, intelligence, energy, and integrity. If they don’t have the last one don’t even bother with the first two." - W. Buffet Paul on LinkedIn Paul on Twitter @paulmhallam Six Degrees Executive website link Six Degrees Executive on LinkedIn Six Degrees Executive on Instagram Six Degrees Executive on Twitter @SixDegreesExec Six Degrees Executive on Facebook Six Degrees Executive on Youtube People and Resources Mentioned Beyond Blue website link R U OK website link Culture Amp website link  Xref Tool website link Recruitment Growth Accelerator website link Greg Savage on LinkedIn Rebel Ideas by Matthew Syed  Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #1 The Future of Recruitment: Strategies To Stay Relevant and Effective, with Greg Savage TRR #2 Setting Up A Recruitment Business For Scale, with Jonathan Coxon and Alex Elliot TRR #12 The Commercial Value of Diversity and Inclusion in Recruitment with Raj Tulsiani   Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter
Reaching out to new clients can be intimidating, especially when the person you want to speak to is a senior executive. What mindset should you possess in order to have the courage to contact key decision-makers? My special guest, Natasha Makhijani has been extremely successful at opening doors at C-level. She’s won major accounts such as British Airways, DHL, Royal Mail, Engie, Mitie, and many others.  What makes this accomplishment even more impressive is that she started her recruitment company working by herself from the spare bedroom of her parent’s house.  In this interview, she shares her strategies and best practices for new business development.  Of course, winning a piece of work is one thing - but being able to consistently over-deliver against the client’s requirements and developing those accounts is quite another matter.  Especially when the client asks for the near impossible -- in one case Natasha and her team filled 150 roles for a client, completing executive searches within 2-3 weeks and lower level roles within 2-3 days.   Natasha also shared proven strategies for building relationships with your clients and how it relates to long term thinking.  Her approach to building relationships has led to some of her clients becoming friends and mentors. Natasha is the CEO of Oliver Sanderson Group PLC and Co-Founder of Snapp CV Group PLC, a mobile job app and video platform. Oliver Sanderson is a dynamic brand in Executive Search & Selection who look after Perm and Interim assignments to FTSE 100 & 250 clients. They offer retained, exclusive and contingent end to end recruitment in a variety of disciplines and serving major UK & Global sectors. Episode Outline and Highlights [1:23] Natasha shares her main strategy to open doors for opportunities. [7:10] How long term thinking is inter-related to building relationships with clients. [33:44] Best practices to apply when reaching out to C-level executives. [36:50] Growing too quickly too soon - Natasha talks about her learnings. [41:50] How Snapp CV applies innovation and artificial intelligence. [49:45] Natasha discusses the biggest challenge in her career The Key that Opens Doors to New Opportunities When Natasha started her recruitment business nine years ago, she was a one-person business who was able to break into major blue-chip companies, being given C-level roles to fill. How was she able to get such opportunities? For her, the main key is being genuine when building relationships. When building her network, she doesn’t “go in with the premise that she wants the business.” This is how she puts it: “My biggest strength has always been opening a door...I call it networking and building relationships and just being genuine… So my biggest strength is opening a door connecting with CEOs, connecting with chief people officers, connecting with group chairman, and basically, meeting them, building relationships.” She added, “I don’t go in with the premise that I want business from you. And that’s not the way I build relationships. I think the key to success is that you have your short term gains, your medium-term and your long term gains. And for me, that is about mapping out the people that I wanted to connect with.”   Natasha’s Biggest Career Challenge When asked to share about the biggest challenge she had to face in her career, her response is: “Going from being a recruiter to managing a business and becoming a CEO.” For her, the transition is not easy as you’ve got to always be thinking five steps ahead. She also emphasized the value of continuous learning. Despite the challenges, was it worth it? As she says, “No longer am I the soft recruiter that I was who just delivers. I’m a businesswoman, I'm an entrepreneur, I’m someone who knows how to achieve. I know how to take a business from zero to hero. And that’s the difference in running your own business.” Natasha Makhijani Bio and Contact Info Natasha is the CEO of Oliver Sanderson Group PLC and Co-Founder of Snapp CV Group PLC, a mobile job app and video platform. Natasha began her professional career with Hays Logistics on their graduate scheme. She set up the Victoria office with her manager, and within two years, the Victoria office and the staff of eight were the top-performing offices in the country. She was offered the opportunity to work with Michael Page and Robert Walters. She started with Michael Page Human Resources, and she became their top biller within HR during her first year. She helped set up their St Albans office and then moved to London to set up permanent recruitment for the Public Sector. Later, Natasha was promoted to Managing Consultant and contributed to the growth of the Public sector office. She considers herself lucky to have had a revelation to an entrepreneurial community from an early age, and she believes this helped her to shape into somebody who is vibrant and enthusiastic and with a keen interest and passion for business. Oliver Sanderson is a dynamic brand in Executive Search & Selection who look after Perm and Interim assignments to FTSE 100 & 250 clients. They offer retained, exclusive and contingent end to end recruitment in a variety of disciplines and serving major UK & Global sectors. They also provide cutting edge service solutions to customers, ensuring the needs are met in tune with the changing marketplace. Natasha on LinkedIn Oliver Sanderson Group PLC website link Oliver Sanderson Group PLC on LinkedIn Oliver Sanderson Group PLC on Instagram Oliver Sanderson Group PLC on Twitter @OliverSanders9 Oliver Sanderson Group PLC on Facebook Snapp CV website link   Special Offer Natasha is launching a brand new version of SNAPP CV & SNAPP RESUME both here in the UK and the USA, in addition to their video interviewing platform: SNAPP INVIEW.  She is happy to offer 5% off any of our pricing plans active from the 5th of July 2020 until the 5th of August, enter code RRP5 at checkout. The app is available from Android and Apple stores.  People and Resources Mentioned Marija Simovic on LinkedIn Gary Vaynerchuk on LinkedIn Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach   Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
In these challenging times, staying the same just won’t cut it. Rather than just battening down the hatches and weathering the storm, what strategic changes can you implement now so you emerge in a position of strength? My very special guest, Mike Brennan shares his thoughts on why redesigning your service offerings is key to success in this challenging environment. Learn how Mike drives innovation to become relevant as a partner to his clients. Mike joined Norman Broadbent Group Plc as a ‘turnaround CEO’ in 2016. With his team, Mike has repositioned the Group as a leading Professional Services firm focussing on Talent Acquisition & Advisory Services. In 2018, the business posted its best annual revenues in over a decade, and in 2019 returned to profit. Episode Outline and Highlights [4:53] Why the executive search market needs to up its game. [9:35] How innovation helps Norman Broadbent achieve a 95% closure rate. [13:00] What is the main challenge with traditional executive search firms? [14:50] What can you do to be relevant as partners to your clients? [21:11] Three best practices to get you through these difficult times and be in a position of strength  [38:24] Mike shares pivotal moments in his entrepreneurial journey [44:03] What significant values contribute to Norman Broadbent’s success? [47:45] Hear Mike’s answer to this question: “If you could speak to your younger self, what advice would you give to that young entrepreneur?” Innovation and Why the Executive Search Needs to Up its Game According to Mike, there hasn’t really been anything innovative happening in the executive search market since 1965. He is both a fan and critic of search, and he believes that it has not evolved or developed as much as it should have done. This is how Mike puts it: “I think traditional search has become very transactional.” He added, “There is a frightening statistic, that 37% of all executive search assignments fail in the UK. So if you think about the market in the UK is worth about £1.5 Billion a year, that’s half a billion in wasted spend every year. That’s indefensible. At Norman Broadbent, we’ve got 95% closure rates. We work hard to see how we can mitigate all the risks in the search process. And how can we make sure that there’s a successful outcome.” Mike is a strong believer in innovation and being relevant as partners to clients. Listen to his best practices especially in these difficult times when recruitment businesses are hurting. Living in a “Darwinian Moment” - Covid’s Impact on the Recruitment Industry Mike and I discussed the impact of the coronavirus to major businesses and specifically to the recruitment industry. While there are struggles, successful and resilient businesses are usually agile and innovative. We see businesses completely revolutionizing themselves at warp speed.  As shared by one online business, “We’ve evolved more in the last three months than we thought we would within the next three years.” Mike said, “These are truly unparalleled times. I think this is a Darwinian moment for our industry. And we need to stay focused as a business, as an industry, and help our clients through these very difficult times.” Hear how being agile, promoting change and transformation while helping out clients can be significant factors in weathering these challenging moments in our economy. Mike Brennan Bio and Contact Info Having spent most of his career in the global Professional Services markets, Mike has lived and built businesses in London, Hong Kong, and Tokyo. He also established/managed operations in New York, Dubai, and Singapore.  Starting his first business aged 27 with investor backing from Alexander Mann Group, Mike was one of four founding Equity Partners involved in its sale to PE firm Advent International. He subsequently started an award-winning sister business in HK before returning to London as Global CEO of Alexander Mann's Executive Search arm. Having successfully turned around the business, he led its sale on behalf of Advent/Alexander Mann.  Mike joined Norman Broadbent Group Plc as a ‘turnaround CEO’ in 2016. With his team, Mike has repositioned the Group as a leading Professional Services firm focussing on Talent Acquisition & Advisory Services. These include Board & Leadership Search, Senior Interim Management, Research & Insight, Solutions, and Leadership Assessment. In 2018, the business posted its best annual revenues in over a decade, and in 2019 returned to profit.  In 2019, Mike was recognized by 'CEO Today' as one of Europe’s top CEOs. In 2019 he was also invited to join the United Nation’s UK Judging Panel which recognizes those in business who have promoted the case for diversity. In 2020, Mike was not only invited on to a Bank of England panel but also asked to join The Future Economy Surrey Commission. Mike on LinkedIn Mike on Twitter @MJCBrennan Norman Broadbent website link Norman Broadbent on LinkedIn Norman Broadbent on Twitter @NormanBroadbent People and Resources Mentioned Doug Bugie on LinkedIn  James Caan on LinkedIn  The Real Deal: My Story from Brick Lane to Dragons' Den by James Caan Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #3 The 4 Qualities of The World’s Top Recruitment Leaders, with Doug Bugie   Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
In these unprecedented and challenging times, a recruiter can easily lose sight of the “why” and fall into the trap of boredom and burnout. How do you recover from burnout and reignite your passion? My special guest, Sharon Hulce explains how creativity and continuously reinventing yourself can help you overcome these challenges.  Sharon is the president of Employment Resource Group Inc. (ERG) in Wisconsin and has twenty-four years of expertise in Executive Search specializing in placing outstanding leaders. She has won numerous awards including MRI’s Person of the Year and also Account Executive of the Decade. She is also a Forbes Author who recently published her book, “A Well Done Professional Midlife Crisis: How To Bleed Passion & Energy Back Into Your Career”. Episode Outline and Highlights [2:07] Sharon shares the story behind her book, “A Well Done Professional Midlife Crisis”  [7:18] How do you fight “recruiter’s burnout?” [12:29] Running a desk during a crisis - three specific steps you can take. [25:00] How do you uncover an MPC’s real value? [29:07] How inbound marketing is changing the landscape of the recruitment industry. [31:07] Hear the four “buckets” that Sharon applied in order to generate more inbound leads. [41:10] Sharon explains her company structure and how it works. [48:22] How Sharon shifted from contingent to retained search. Resilience in This Time of Crisis In this challenging environment, many recruiters can easily forget their “why.” What helped Sharon operate during times of crisis? As she puts it, “I have been through two recessions, 9/11, and now a pandemic. So, in my career, I’ve been through a lot. The one thing that I think has made us resilient and stay optimistic and energetic, and actually continue to build through all of this is really understanding what does value mean for your customers.” Hear three specific steps she took to stay in shape during times of crisis.    Shifting to a Retained Search Business Model Sharon has been doing a retained search business model for 18 years. I am an evangelist of the retained model for the benefits it brings to the client, candidate, and the recruiter. However, shifting to this model from a contingent business model can be challenging to some recruiters especially if their client would prefer the former.  How did Sharon come about shifting to the retained search? “I had worked a contingent desk for just shy 17 years… The day I decided I wasn’t doing it any other way [shifting to retained] I lost my top 3 clients. So fifty percent of my business went away. And I held my ground… I said listen, “You have changed your value proposition multiple times since we’ve started working together. I am now changing mine. I am good at what  I do. I am a top 5 construction practice in the country. If you want to work with me as the owner of this organization and have my work on your searches, you need to pay me to do it.” Listen to how being firm and being able to deliver helped Sharon shift to the retained business model.   Sharon Hulce Bio and Contact Info Sharon is the President and CEO of Employment Resource Group Inc. and has twenty-four years of expertise in Executive Search specializing in placing outstanding leaders. Her unique approach to business is as follows: “A business and community’s most valuable asset is the people within.  For our clients, our role is to understand the necessary competencies, knowledge, social interaction, and personality critical for integration and outstanding performance within their organization.  For our candidates, our purpose is to help them define their purpose, attain goals, and find their life’s vocation.  We are proud of the emotional intelligence we have been able to share with our clients and candidates alike”  She has won numerous awards including MRI Person of the Year 2019, Champion of the Chamber Award Winner (Fox Cities Chamber of Commerce 2019), 2019 Walter L. Rugland Community Service award, just to name a few. She was also inducted into the Pinnacle Society in 2015 and is a Forbes Author for “A Well Done Professional Midlife Crisis”. Sharon’s website link Sharon on LinkedIn  Employment Research Group website link Employment Research Group on LinkedIn Employment Research Group on Facebook Employment Research Group on Twitter @ergsearch A Well Done Professional Midlife Crisis: How To Bleed Passion & Energy Back Into Your Career, Amazon link People and Resources Mentioned Rich Rosen on LinkedIn Craig Picken on LinkedIn Pinnacle Society website link Inbound Marketing Roadmap for Recruiters, by Mark Whitby Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #6 Habits of a Million-Dollar Biller, with Rich Rosen TRR #22 Craig Picken’s Journey From Naval Aviator to Big Billing Solo Recruiter   Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
With the paradigm shift of working remotely in a distributed setting, how do recruitment businesses create a cohesive culture for their employees? In this episode of the Resilient Recruiter, my special guest Boris Epstein shares how he managed to build a company culture consistently aligned with their values while rapidly growing his business to 150 people in three and a half years.   In line with the 4th of July Independence Day celebration, hear how values and company culture, recruitment service differentiation, and value proposition development can give a sense of independence and self-sufficiency to your recruitment business. Boris is the Founder & CEO of Binc, the technology industry’s dedicated flexible recruiting team. Winning best workplace awards two years in a row, their clients include big names such as Paypal, Tesla, Airbnb, Pinterest, DropBox, just to name a few.   Episode Outline and Highlights [3:00] Binc’s service model and what makes it effective  [11:46] How to create a cohesive culture when your employees are distributed. [17:58] Values alignment - how to infuse your business values with different levels of accountability. [20:10] Shifting to a remote culture - how to train your people while promoting camaraderie in a distributed setting. [29:00] From startup to 150 people in three and a half years - how to manage a very fast level of growth [37:04] Boris shares their current challenges during the coronavirus pandemic economy [43:11] How to maintaining your culture in these challenging times [50:23] Boris shares best practices in recruitment differentiation    Building Your Business Culture with Values Boris strongly believes in building a cohesive culture despite his business model, on which employees are distributed in different locations. How do you create such a culture? Values development. For Boris, consistent alignment with your values creates a strong sense of unique business culture. As Boris puts it: “Values are really big. To define our values it took quite a bit of time, it took almost nine months to define our values. The right words, the right level of resonance. Then once you define your values, it’s ‘what are the ways we can make these values visible?’ How are our values visible in business development? How are our values visible in our review and promotion cycle? How are our values visible in our client engagement? Once you go through that exercise, you could very clearly see, oh this value is very visible here. This value is not very visible here.”   Recruitment Differentiation - How to Develop a Clear Value Proposition To stand out from competitors, it is important to have a unique value proposition. This is something that is not easy, otherwise all recruitment agencies would have a clear value proposition. So what advice would Boris give to leaders? “Our philosophy from day one, from 18 years ago, ... was to offer a differentiated alternative to growing technology companies. So we always wanted to offer something differentiated… We think the status quo is something to fight against in perpetuity.” He added, “In general, you have to acknowledge what it is that the market wants. You have to acknowledge what it is that other people in the market are already doing. You have to acknowledge what your assets are. And from those assets, you have to go through a very creative exercise to explore how you could position your assets. Through that, you can land on something distinguished.”   Boris Epstein Bio and Contact Info Boris is the Founder & CEO of Binc, the technology industry’s dedicated flexible recruiting team. He has personally made hundreds of hires in his 16-year recruiting career and is an expert in the development and management of the top recruiters in our industry. He serves on the Board of The Pinnacle Society, an organization consisting of the top-performing recruiters in the US. Boris on LinkedIn Binc website link Binc on LinkedIn Binc on Twitter @BINC Binc on Facebook People and Resources Mentioned Rich Rosen on LinkedIn Shaun McCambridge on LinkedIn Pinnacle Society website link Productivity Tool - Monday.com website link Looker Analytics Tool website link 5 Ways to Differentiate Your Recruiting Firm From the Competition - by Mark Whitby webinar link Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #6 Habits of a Million-Dollar Biller, with Rich Rosen TRR #11 Recruiting Recruiters: How to Attract, Hire, Develop and Retain Great Recruiters with Shaun McCambridge Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
Success in any field is found in knowing your worth, being generous in giving credit, and proactively seeking to bounce forward no matter what setbacks come your way. My special guest, David Perry, perfectly illustrates these ideas through some entertaining and inspiring personal stories. Known as the “Rogue Recruiter”, David is the Managing Director of Perry-Martel International, an Ottawa-based staffing and recruiting company that places executives in technology, real estate, and construction. Perry-Martel has been featured in Inc. Magazine, Wall Street Journal, HuffPost, and Washington Post, to name just a few. Listen in and discover why David lives by the saying, “Why bother to think about what you can do when you can just go and do it?” Episode Outline and Highlights [03:01] How Perry-Martel worked its way to over $100 million in placement fees [10:10] The amazing story behind David and Jay Conrad Levinson’s book Guerrilla Marketing for Job Hunters [24:43] A primer on David’s online job hunting platform My New Job Hunt [46:25] How David was able to continue working while recovering from a stroke [52:34] Penning the second edition of Guerrilla Marketing for Job Hunters [55:40] David’s philosophy on taking action [57:44] The impetus behind David’s next book Hiring Greatness [1:00:01] How to use “The Starbucks Coffee Cup Caper” job search tactic [1:05:48] Using Facebook Ads effectively Experiencing Greater Success with Grit and Humility Threats of lawsuits never slowed David down. Neither did a life-threatening stroke. The former situation led to his growing Perry-Martel to over $100 million in placement fees. The latter led to his adding 80% of new material to the second edition of his book Guerrilla Marketing for Job Hunters. In his own words, “Why bother to think about what you can do when you can just go and do it?” In addition, David eventually came to enjoy the freedom of doing things for the betterment of his stakeholders “just because I can”. By focusing primarily on what you get out of any big endeavor, you will end up falling short of doing the best that you would otherwise be capable of if you, instead, left your ego at the door. Says David, “It’s amazing what you can accomplish when you don’t care who takes the credit.” The Starbucks Coffee Cup Caper David brings up the unique job search tactic known as “The Starbucks Coffee Cup Caper” (originally “Tim Hortons”). You, the recruiter, would walk into Starbucks and ask an employee for ten (clean) empty paper coffee cups. Go to Staples and buy ten mailer boxes. Put together your Guerrilla one-page resumé. Along with this, write your Guerrilla one-page cover letter, which will tell your prospective employer that you wish to discuss possible solutions to their company’s problems over coffee. Take both documents, put them in one of the coffee cups, which you then put inside the mailer box, and send it to the employer via FedEx 2Day®. Rinse and repeat for another nine individuals. Once you get the ping informing you that a box has arrived, wait 45 minutes before sending a text to give the recipient a heads-up. Enjoy how the rest of the interaction plays out. (This tactic also works for prospecting.) David Perry Bio and Contact Info David is a recruiter, the author of seven books, and a sought-after motivational speaker. He was presented with the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal for Community Service. He served as the Managing Partner of Perry-Martel International since its founding in 1988, and in that time has recruited executives that total $393+ million in salaries negotiated on 5 continents. Alongside all this, David co-founded MyNewJobHunt.com, “the first online Job Transition Platform written to help job hunters connect with employers in a whole new way.” David on LinkedIn David on Twitter David’s email: dperry@perrymartel.com Perry-Martel’s website People and Resources Mentioned Guerrilla Marketing for Job Hunters 3.0 – a book by David Perry and Jay Conrad Levinson Hiring Greatness – a book by David Perry and Mark Haluska My New Job Hunt – an online platform for job hunters My Stroke of Insight – a book by Jill Bolte Taylor Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
If you have ambitions to scale your staffing business, it’s important to understand both the opportunities and challenges involved. Even if you don’t plan to grow a huge recruitment business, I suspect you’ll learn a lot from my special guest, Gerard Koolen.  Gerard is the owner of Lugera, a multinational recruiting and staffing agency operating in 9 countries in 30 offices with 400 internal staff. In this interview, he shares the highs and lows of his entrepreneurial journey that lead to building a €130M Staffing Business. Gerard holds nothing back and Gerard reveals his strategies, mindset and philosophy of investing in both people and technology. Episode Outline and Highlights [2:56] Two key factors that lead to Lugera becoming the #1 agency in its area [4:44] How and why Gerard started a recruitment company [12:00] The benefits of doing business in Eastern Europe [15:17] The challenges and pitfalls of growing fast [20:50] When is the right time to expand your recruitment business? [25:40] How to inspire incredible staff loyalty [28:20] Growing through acquisition - hear strategies that worked [35:40] The value of investing in technology [44:04] Gerard shares the biggest lesson learned in his career Marrying Recruitment and Technology Gerard is a firm believer that innovation is key and sees the value of HR technology, especially with his own staff. Instead of focusing on repetitive tasks, technology helps his sales staff to focus on selling. As he puts it: “Technology helps us to do much more than without technology. We really learned the great lesson that when you are in recruitment, even if you have so many great people working for you, help them with great technology.” A great example that Gerard shared in our conversation is how he came about developing STAA, or Sales and Talent Acquisition Application. Nobody in Silicon Valley wanted to invent the technology to cater to the idea Gerard was presenting, and so he was forced to have it developed on their own. After spending more than €1.5M and 4 to 5 years of development, it finally went live. What was the result? In Ukraine alone, they were able to triple the number of placements.  Increasing Employee Loyalty  Back in 2009, Gerard was forced to let go of 100 employees in Romania due to the economic crisis. The next day, it was amazing 30 people came back, saying that they still want to help and they will work for free. They were eventually rehired, and because of their help, they were able to maintain their revenue. What created such loyalty in the team members that they were willing to work for free? This is what Gerard said: “We are not in it for the money. We are in it for helping people. We really like what we do. Although we are professionals and we need to get paid, but we are there for our people, for the candidates, for the clients. That is why people love to work with us.”  Gerard Koolen Bio and Contact Info Gerard is the owner of Lugera, a multinational recruiting and staffing agency. Gerard started Lugera in Slovakia in 1996 and is now operating in 9 countries in 30 offices with 400 internal staff. Lugera is focused on Permanent Staffing, Temporary Staffing, Payroll & Outsourcing generating revenue of €130M. Gerard is crazy about helping as many people as we possibly can with a better job. He is help driven, he thinks that innovation is key and is a front-runner in innovative HR technology. Gerard on LinkedIn Gerard on Facebook Gerard’s blog link Lugera website link Lugera on Youtube STAA website link If you are interested to be a partner in using STAA, get a 50% discount for listeners from the podcast by emailing gerard.koolen@lugera.com and mentioning Mark Whitby People and Resources Mentioned The Infinite Game - a book by Simon Sinek  Jordan Lawrence on LinkedIn Christy Brown on LinkedIn Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #18 How to Build Your Business During a Recession, with Christy Brown TRR #19 Building a Multinational, Micro-Niche Recruitment Group, with Jordan Lawrence Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
How does having a sense of honour help you build relationships at the highest level in your recruitment business? In this episode of the Resilient Recruiter, my guest Richard Hoon will share his perspective gained from a successful 25-year career in recruitment.  Richard is the founder and CEO of I Search Worldwide and has been a C-Suite search practitioner for over two decades. He is also co-founder and Chairman of the Advisory Board of Validus, a fintech company that is now worth more than $100m. Richard is also the Chairman of the Centre for Fathering & Dads-for-Life, a 20-year-old charity in Singapore. This is very timely for our parent listeners for the upcoming Father’s Day weekend. Although not related to recruiting, if you are a parent or planning to be a parent sometime in the future, I am sure you will find value in Richard’s wisdom on this topic.  Episode Outline and Highlights [3:16] Centre for Fathering & Dads-for-Life: two approaches to eradicate fatherlessness. [9:50]  Richard’s key achievements [13:11] How to manage a large business when you can’t be everywhere at once. [14:10] Bringing honour back to the recruitment industry [18:24] Why we need to shift from contingency to pure retained model [23:00] How to handle challenges when dealing with internal recruiters and HR [36:30] Never too late to start from zero - how Richard co-founded a fintech company  [39:42] Philosophies and strategies when building a larger business. [49:52] How art collecting it influences your thought and creativity Centre for Fathering & Dads-for-Life Richard is the current Chairman of the Centre for Fathering & Dads-for-Life, a 20-year-old charity in Singapore.  What is the charity about? In Richard’s words: “The goal is to eradicate fatherlessness. Every child born has a father, but the father is not present, is not engaged, not actively contributing to the family. So the child grows up fatherless. Our job is to encourage fathers to be more active and engaged with their children.”  In order for them to address fatherlessness and the negative impact on children, they take preventative and intervention approaches. “We do events, we do programs, we do training, we do father and child bonding camp, we encourage national events like eating with your family.” Bringing Honour Back to the Recruitment Agency Richard believes that having partners that you can trust with the same long-term philosophy is important when you are managing your business, and so is being honourable. For Richard, having those who value honour in the recruitment business is really a minority. “The recruitment business is high grounding... They say things they don’t mean, they say things they don’t know, and probably get a lot of untruths.” He added,  “I don’t want a recruiter’s name, one day, being associated with a second-hand car salesman.” This is how Richard puts it on how it should be addressed: “This is a very honourable business because when you put people together, you have got to really be responsible for their career, for their future, but you are also responsible for the company... Unfortunately, the lack of training in the recruitment industry probably gets a lot of just short term results.” He added, “If you always say good things, you are already propagating a lie. If there’s anything I would like to do, it’s to bring honour back to the recruiting industry. By making sure recruiters go back to a centered sense of morality.” Never too late to start  At the age of 60, Richard Co-founded a fintech company, Validus. For him, it is never too late to start from scratch. Starting from zero, the company today is worth over $100million dollars.  Richard Hoon Bio and Contact Info Richard Hoon is the founder and CEO of I Search Worldwide and has been a C-Suite search practitioner for over two decades. He was the Managing Director of Asia for an international executive search franchise and was the General Manager of International SOS. He has held senior and regional roles with companies such as American Express, Tourism Victoria, and Pall Corporation. Richard is the current Chairman of the Centre for Fathering & Dads-for-Life, a registered charity, and IPC in Singapore. He is a co-founder and Chairman of the Advisory Board of Validus, a fintech company that has received series A funding from a major financial institution. He is the President of the Circumnavigators’ Club and the President of the Palm Island Club. He is also a fellow of the Singapore Institute of Directors. Richard on LinkedIn I Search Worldwide website link People and Resources Mentioned Centre for Fathering website link Doug Bugie on LinkedIn James Caan on LinkedIn Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #3 The 4 Qualities of The World’s Top Recruitment Leaders, with Doug Bugie Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
As a recruiter, it is important to have a unique value proposition to be successful. In this episode of The Resilient Recruiter, my special guest Craig Watson is challenging the accepted paradigm of how recruitment services are sold and delivered. His business model is disruptive, either you are going to love it or hate it.  If you are a third-party staffing and recruiting agency, you may feel threatened by Craig’s business model. But setting emotions aside, listen to how his innovative thinking is reimagining the talent acquisition process. Craig Watson is Founder & Director of Recstra, which to his words, “a community of freelance recruiters who are changing the face of recruitment forever.”  Craig actually comes from a traditional agency background with over 20 years of recruitment & sales industry experience. Episode Outline and Highlights [5:22] Why Craig launched a weekly podcast (Tapod) and four key pointers on what makes it successful. [8:19] How hosting or listening to podcasts adds value for recruiters  [17:50] The Recstra business model and how it is challenging the norms of a recruitment agency model. [34:24] Will the traditional recruitment business model eventually lose its place in the market? [48:48] “Recruitment is Dead” - why Craig wrote a blog with this title and what it means for you as a recruiter. [56:21] Craig’s volunteer work as a Lifesaver “Hey, Can I Buy You a Coffee?” Craig and I believe in the value of learning and how being exposed to topnotch people with great ideas adds value. As Craig puts it, “If you are the smartest person in the room, you are in the wrong room... It is important to find people who are doing a really good idea or really good ways of doing it, ask to buy them a coffee, sit down and be honest and try to get some more information and learn something.” Relating his experience with Max Walker, a Cricket celebrity in Australia, and Max’s philosophy on why he always makes time for people. “You know what Craig? If anybody ever asks me for coffee, I would bite the handoff to take it. The worst thing I am ever going to get out of that is free coffee, and the best thing is I might learn something.” Getting Recstra from Concept to Reality Recstra is a platform with a community of experienced, freelance recruitment consultants. Clients receive high-quality recruitment services while achieving significant cost savings. How did he come up with that concept? Craig said that “Recstra was born out of a need to have a point of difference for me to be successful.” After doing a data study of why recruiters are leaving the industry, he found out that 28% of recruiters left because they either wanted more work-life balance and flexibility, or they didn’t want to sell. From there, he was able to come up with a business model of remote working and flexibility, instead of a traditional agency environment on which recruiters are traditionally working from 8-5.  Another way Craig is challenging the norms in the agency recruitment business is through his billing model -  an hourly rate, based on activity. In a general sense, it is pay per service not pay per outcome. How is that working for him? They’ve broken down the recruitment process and an average perm role has around 15 to 17 hours of dedicated activity. For an average role, they are able to complete a placement for about under AUD3000. In comparison, the average placement fee in Australia is within AUD12,000-15,000. This did not go down well with some of his competitors. “Straightaway, the recruitment agency industry which I was so immersed in got their hackles up and said, ‘You are undercutting us, you are diluting it, what are you doing?’ I’m not on here to upset people, all I can do is talk about my experience and the research that I have done which I am happy for it to be challenged in any way.” Lifesaving Work  Craig is President of Venus Bay Surf Lifesaving Club that achieved the Australian Lifesaving Club of the Year in 2019 in a field of over 370 Clubs. Running a small club of 600 volunteer members gives him the opportunity to learn a lot of leadership skills when it comes to inspiring and motivating people. This also enables him to have an active lifestyle and the opportunity to save lives.  Craig Watson Bio and Contact Info Craig Watson is Founder & Director of Recstra and Co-host of the Tapod podcast. He is extremely proud of the Recstra revolution - a community of freelance recruiters who are changing the face of recruitment forever. TaPod is ranked in the top 10 of Career Podcasts in ANZ and its informal and informative style has seen it become a staple amongst TA Leaders and professionals in the region. With over 20 years of recruitment & sales industry experience, he is a trainer and consultant to a number of Industries and Corporate groups - specializing in social media, building businesses, building your TA Tech Stack, managing process, leadership skills, business modeling, attraction, engagement, and retention. Craig has presented keynotes to Global Conferences and was recently named in the Top 50 Global HR & Recruitment influencers. Craig on LinkedIn Craig on Twitter @CraigWatsonRec Recstra website link Recstra on Facebook Recstra on Instagram Recstra on Youtube TaPod Link and LinkedIn  People and Resources Mentioned Robin Doenicke on LinkedIn Greg Savage on LinkedIn Ann Swain on LinkedIn The Movement Documentary link Why 98% of Recruiters Fail to Differentiate their Firm from the Competition, by Mark Whitby, video link Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #1 The Future of Recruitment: Strategies To Stay Relevant and Effective, with Greg Savage TRR #4 How Robin Doenicke Is Leading His Recruitment Agency to 10X Growth in Just 3 Years Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter
If the ability to perform under pressure is a pre-requisite for success in recruitment, then it’s no surprise that Craig Picken has reached the peak of our profession as one of the top-producing recruiters in the United States. Eight years’ experience as a decorated Naval Flight Officer – with more than 100 combat missions, 2,000 hours of flight time, and 325 aircraft carrier landings – was perhaps the ideal proving ground for Craig’s later career in recruitment.   Craig is the co-founder and the managing partner for the Northstar Group which is a boutique executive search firm based in Wilmington,  North Carolina. Since 2009 Craig has concluded several hundred executive-level searches in leadership, sales, and operations for some of the most prominent companies in the aviation and aerospace industries. Episode Outline and Highlights [1:36] Craig’s background: from being a naval pilot to being a recruiter. [6:06] Three main skills from Craig’s naval career that are transferable to the recruitment business. [14:50] Dealing with a very difficult client - hear how it was handled professionally.  [21:30] Long-term business perspectives that you can apply during this pandemic. [31:45] Craig speaks about the biggest challenges in his career. [34:40] The story of how he once got fired -  and how it led to a making a fortune in two different industries  [44:45] Craig’s strategy on how to handle recruitment business downtime due to an economic downturn. [53:50] Craig discusses the value of doing a podcast and other ways he is connecting with his audience. “ How to Fly When Your Airplane is on Fire” During the interview, Craig recalls several instances where sudden unexpected airplane system malfunctions endangered the lives of his co-pilots. He then added, “The one thing that the navy teaches you well is not how to fly. It is how to fly when your airplane is on fire. And all your systems are going to hell.” He strongly believes in keeping an open mind rather than being a control freak. When things are not going the way they should be, it should be about the ability to be flexible.  Translating it to recruitment, he says “That is where recruiters got to understand. What are you doing when everything is going to hell? It’s a very emotional business, you can’t control people. A lot of recruiters talk about control. I don’t try to control anybody.” Being a Value in these Difficult Times With the significant impact of the coronavirus to the aviation and aerospace industry, what is Craig currently doing to maintain his momentum? “Building my network, talking, and being a value.” Craig’s perspective is helping people get to where they need to be. And when their business comes back, he is the person they will be thinking about. Strategically, he looks at the long term rather than immediate results. “I take everybody’s call… And my only goal is to be a value.” Hear his philosophy on how the recruitment business is a business of helping people. Where there is Chaos, there is Opportunity Just when Craig and his wife are expecting the birth of their twins, something terrible happened - he got fired from his job. This caused them monumental stress, but as Craig puts it, “where there is chaos, there is an opportunity.” For him, getting fired taught him to be more entrepreneurial and to be more on moving forward.  Giving back to the Community Aside from rescuing dogs, Craig is also a big contributor to Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation Ltd (JDRF), a charity focused on eradicating juvenile type 1 Diabetes. If you wish to know more about this organization, you may refer to the link in the below section. Craig Picken Bio and Contact Info Co-founder and Managing Partner for Northstar Group, a boutique executive search firm based in Wilmington, NC, Craig is focused on recruiting senior-level leadership, sales, and operations executives for some of the most prominent companies in the aviation and aerospace industry. Clients include well-known aircraft OEM’s, aircraft operators, leasing / financial organizations, and Maintenance / Repair / Overhaul (MRO) providers. Since 2009 he has personally concluded several hundred executive-level searches in a variety of disciplines.   Craig on LinkedIn Craig on Twitter @craigpicken Craig on Facebook  Northstar Group website Aerospace Executive Podcast JDRF website People and Resources Mentioned  Paul Siker on LinkedIn Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #6  Habits of a Million-Dollar Biller, with Rich Rosen Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter  
Imagine starting a recruitment business at the age of 54, having never worked in the recruiting industry before, and becoming a “big biller” within 5 years.  In this episode of the Resilient Recruiter, you’ll meet Irishman Paul Taaffe, founder and CEO of FINANCE People Solutions based in Frankfurt, Germany.  Prior to starting his business in 2014, he was either a CFO or CRO for US global blue-chip companies such as Pepsi Cola, Nike, Lear Corporation, and Dell. I asked Paul to come on the show and discuss his extraordinary success running a boutique search firm.  Paul has doubled the business, on average, every year and last year managed to bill €4,000,000 in revenue!  That’s over $4.5M USD.   Sure, that figure is the gross sales and includes both permanent placement and interim revenue, so the Net Fee Income will be somewhat less.  Still very impressive considering Paul is the sole fee earner, supported by a small team.  In fact, Paul has built so much momentum that he closed five deals this April despite the coronavirus pandemic. Episode Outline and Highlights [4:22] History of Finance People Solutions (FPS) [6:37] What is Paul’s recipe for success? [9:00] Three aspects that help Paul to leverage relationship in recruitment. [14:30] How to level up from having a professional relationship to a professional friendship.  [19:25] Coronavirus experience: Three keys to keeping things moving forward. [26:16] FPS’s structure and how efficiency is integrated into each role. [31:18] Successful basis for acquiring new customers [32:00] Paul shares his advertising strategy with FINANCE Magazin. Hear his interesting narrative on how he came about with this idea. [41:00] How Paul engineered his five placements in April - during the coronavirus. [45:30] Explanation of the interim-to-perm business model. Being an “unkompliziert” person When it comes to building sustainable candidate relationships, Paul believes that it all comes down to personality. He is an uncomplicated (unkompliziert in German) person, and because of that, he is able to easily connect with candidates that he treats as friends.  Paul said, “Mark, I have become friends with so many of these candidates. They are not just candidates, that sounds very cold. They are friends or business friends of mine.” Explaining his interim-to-perm business model Paul was able to describe how his interim-to-perm business model has successfully provided solutions to a lot of his clients. This solution de-risks the hiring process for his customer. As Paul puts it, “Over the last few years, we are doing more and more interim business because it is the instant solution kind of thing.” For him, “It is like delivering quality results in a very short period of time.” Paul Taffe Bio and Contact Info Paul is the founder and CEO of FINANCE People Solutions (PFS) in 2014. He has been in the recruitment business since 2014, and prior to that, he was either a CFO or CRO for US global blue-chip companies such as Pepsi Cola, Nike, Lear Corporation, and Dell as well as having worked in Private Equity. He founded the PE Finance Organisation Benchmarking company, Taaffe, and Partners in 2011. Paul on LinkedIn Paul’s email: ptaaffe@finance-ps.com FINANCE People Solutions website link People and Resources Mentioned FINANCE Magazin website link Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter
As the market continues to be challenging due to the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, the search and recruitment industry remains ultra-competitive. How can small boutique recruiting firms and solo recruiters compete against the large, well-known search firms who have greater resources at their disposal?   In this episode of the Resilient Recruiter, my wonderful guest Matt Schwartz shares how he runs his retained search practice in New York City, one of the most competitive markets in the world. Matt is the President of MJS Executive Search, a small boutique search firm that he has been running for 17 years. With fees averaging to $100,000, his firm is serving Fortune 500 companies including American Express, Mastercard, and PepsiCo. How does a small boutique firm pitch against incumbent top 10 search firms, and win? Listen to this episode and find out. Also, he shared his astounding journey on how he recovered from Covid19 and as well as the mindset and actions he had to take while recuperating, enabling him to close a very significant deal while on his sickbed. Episode Outline and Highlights [1:10] Matt shares what he had to endure and how he recovered from the coronavirus. [4:18] How he closed a search while recuperating. [6:30] Proactive steps Matt took to overcome his frustration caused by the virus. [13:25] Matt narrates his career and transition to building his own search firm. [25:55] How does a very small boutique search firm win against incumbent headhunting firms? [27:55] What is “removing the black box” approach? [33:45] How to negotiate a relationship with talent acquisition partners. [38:23] What helped Matt’s firm to “get their foot in the door” [40:30] Matt shares his greatest learning and how it resulted in a drastic change. “I was being careful but probably got it through my travels.” Matt is based in Westchester County in New York, which was the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the US. He described in detail the symptoms that he had to endure. “It was frustrating, a lot of days,” said Matt as he shares what was going on in his mind while recovering. Matt shared proactive steps he took to overcome that frustration and how he still took care of business. Amazingly, he was able to complete a search and earned a placement fee of $185,000. Setting His Firm Apart from his Competitors Operating in a highly competitive market, what sets MJS Executive Search from its well-known competitors?  As Matt puts it, “We are great at identifying people from alternative industries who are the best of the best of what they do, and bringing this mix of skills to diverse organizations.” “Typically we are up against, one other firm, and typically its a large one.”  Being a smaller firm does not mean reducing your fees. “We are not any cheaper, at the end of the day it’s up to them to have a comfort in terms of who they feel more comfortable with” Part of Matt’s success is properly setting expectations with his clients and preparing well in giving his presentations. “I don’t treat a sales conversation as a sales conversation. I treat it as a consultative meeting. I come in prepared with great questions.” Matt Schwartz Bio and Contact Info  Matt Schwartz is the President of MJS Executive Search. MJS Executive Search is a leader in recruiting and placing senior level, transformational Marketing, Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning, User Experience, Segment Marketing and Acquisition, Digital Innovation, Employee Engagement, Corporate Communications, Media Strategy, Product Management, Product Marketing and Sales leaders for Global Fortune 500 to Entrepreneurial Start-ups. Matt has been running his own firm for 17 years. Prior to that, he was with Heidrick & Struggles International, Inc. Prior to that, he was with Heidrick & Struggles International, Inc.  Matt on Linkedin MJS Executive Search on twitter @MJSearch MJS Executive Search website MJS Executive Search on Facebook People and Resources Mentioned Heidrick and Struggles on LinkedIn Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter
As we are now navigating through one of the most challenging moments of running a recruitment business, where should we focus our time, energy and resources for maximum return in both the short and long term? In this episode of the Resilient Recruiter, my special guest Jordan Lawrence reveals the incredibly effective marketing strategies behind the growth of his core business, Payments & Cards Network.  He breaks down how to partner with media companies, events organizers and even local governments to dominate your market niche.   Of course, we’ll also dig into what Jordan’s doing right now to pivot his marketing during the coronavirus crisis and ensure his company is well-positioned to catch the rebound. You’ll also hear Jordan’s valuable insights and perspective on building a success culture in different countries, hiring recruiters, keeping your team motivated and engaged, experimenting with the 4-day workweek, and embracing the “next normal.” Jordan founded the Payments & Cards Network around 10 years ago and the business has since evolved into a Micro Niche Recruitment group called PCN Capital which is comprised of Payments & Cards Network, Digital Source, Sekura Capital and PCM (Payments & Cards Media). The three recruitment brands focus on the FinTech Space, Data Science & Cyber Security respectively and operate from offices in Atlanta, Amsterdam & Singapore. Episode Outline and Highlights [3:00] How the business is dealing with the coronavirus. [5:55] An important key to keep your team motivated and engaged in these difficult circumstances. [8:20] Discussion on two areas of adjustments to “up their game”.  [10:15] How to reassure hesitant candidates during the coronavirus crisis - Warning: This is not a recruitment spiel. [13:10]  Jordan’s philosophy on building a community with media businesses.   [19:30] A very interesting discussion [+pointers] on how to keep a LinkedIn group relevant. [23:20] Will switching to a four-day workweek work for your business? [29:05] Jordan discusses the “new normal” for recruiting businesses. [32:45] Hear about Jordan’s “How to Hire Remotely with Confidence” webinar. [36:00] Benefits of having multinational offices versus having just one head office. [39:20] What led to Jordan’s partnership with a local government  Building a Community via the Media Businesses Jordan shared why and how he built a community through media and marketing and how it impacted his business. Dive into Jordan’s brilliant ideas on how to make marketing work for his business. For example, hear how using magazines in both physical and digital format helped his recruitment business grow exponentially.  The Philosophy Behind a Four-Day Workweek Will a four-day workweek fly in the recruitment industry? Hear Jordan’s perspective on how it can be a huge benefit. One way he puts it is “People before would sort of work really hard over the five days, binge on a Saturday… belly recovering on a Sunday, and stumbling to work on a Monday morning, it may not be so productive.” He added “Arguably, is there much getting done anyway on a Monday morning and a Friday afternoon? I don’t know. Now we are giving the opportunity to have a really good rest..” Adding Value to the Ecosystem of the Niche that You are Serving Having a multinational firm, Jordan’s success is defined by his mindset on adding value. In his words, “I think it is making yourself a part of the fabric of the industry you are trying to service rather than being seen as someone only taking and I think that’s really important.” On having a global presence, this is what he said: “If you are serious about growing globally in a niche market, you have to be on the ground and you have to have facetime. It shows you’re there for the long haul rather than just making the sort of hit and run deal which you do see all over the place.” He also discussed their support for the "Free a Girl" foundation which frees young girls from sexual slavery. You may refer to the link in the below section. Jordan Lawrence Bio and Contact Info Jordan Lawrence founded the Payments & Cards Network around 10 years ago and has since started a Micro Niche Recruitment group called PCN Capital which comprises of Payments & Cards Network, Digital Source, Sekura Capital and PCM (Payments & Cards Media) with offices in Atlanta, Amsterdam & Singapore the three brands focus on the FinTech Space, Data Science & Cyber Security respectively. Jordan also Co-Founded Volt Open Banking www.getvolt.io at the start of 2019 with FinTech industry experts sourced from his experience with PCN. Jordan on LinkedIn Jordan on Instagram  PCN Capital website PCN Capital on Youtube PCN Capital on Instagram PCN Capital on Twitter @PaymentsNet We are hiring aggressively at the moment so if you wish to take part in our growth as well as our forward-thinking culture, 4 day week and general good vibes then reach out to our excellent Head of People and Ops Victoria Hammond (who joined us from Google incidentally) at victoria@pcn.capital. People and Resources Mentioned Free a Girl Foundation website Christy Brown on LinkedIn Katie Howard Cross on LinkedIn David Stone LinkedIn Rogier Rouppe van der Voort on LinkedIn Cube19 website Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Mark on YouTube Related Podcasts You Might Enjoy TRR #15: How Katie Howard Cross Empowers Women to Excel in Recruitment TRR #18: How to Build Your Business During a Recession, with Christy Brown Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter
A global economic slowdown due to the coronavirus has greatly affected the recruitment industry. What type of “proactive” mindset should a recruiter possess in order to avoid just being “reactive” to the situation? How do you build your business despite economic challenges?  In this episode of the Resilient Recruiter, my special guest, Christy Brown shares her story on how she built a company in 2007, yes, you read it right, during the great recession. Listen to how creativity, technology enablement, and being agile helped her build, scale, and sell her staffing companies. Christy is a serial entrepreneur, investor, startup advisor, mentor, founder, futurist, triathlete.  Prior to becoming a Venture Capitalist, Christy was the Executive Vice President of a Fortune 100 human capital management software company where she led the business transformation and client success organizations globally. Christy has scaled three service-based companies focused on digital marketing, human capital, and security consulting. Episode Outline and Highlights [3:00] A former IRONMAN competitor, Christy shared how her competing translates to business. [6:00] Christy’s staffing journey.  [8:40] What it was like to start a staffing firm during the recession. [10:00] Christy’s two learnings that lead to improvement and innovation. [12:00] Christy’s business model that brought significant success in winning new clients. [15:00] Four factors that led to Christy’s start-up success. [22:45] A monthly meeting with all your placed candidates? Listen to why Christy did it. [27:30] Convincing clients to hire remotely - Christy mentioned least two elements  [30:00] What Christy believes is the number one growth area in recruiting [35:00] Christy talks about “technology enablement”  [38:30] How technology will drive the future of the recruiting industry. [44:00] Listen to Christy’s “regret” from a founder’s perspective. [47:02] Two practical ideas to navigate this challenging economy [53:00] Christy’s view on inclusion and women empowerment  Starting a Business During the Great Recession Back in 2007, Christy started her own staffing firm.  It may not have been the best time to start a new business, and as she mentioned, “For me, it became a firefight.” Comparing the situation before with what we are facing now, this is how she puts it  “It was a very interesting time, we can compare it to some of the things that are happening in this current healthcare crisis today. Massive fallouts to the economy occurring, a large banking crisis that we are still coming out of.” Despite the situation, Christy focused on the opportunity being presented to build her business. Christy laid out her mistakes and learnings, her business model, and the factors that led to her start-up success. Technology Will Drive the Future of the Recruiting Industry Christy gave her take on “technology enablement” and how technology will drive the future of the recruiting industry. As she puts it, “I think technology enablement and recruiting is probably the number one growth area that I look even from an investment lens. It is one of those things that has to grow, it has to accelerate, and we have to influence it.” Listen to her philosophy on how utilizing technology will help recruiters stay relevant. Inclusion and Woman Empowerment One of the biggest challenges Christy faced is, “Sometimes, being the only female in the room of technologists.” Hear her meaningful thoughts about inclusion and women empowerment in a corporate setting.  Christy Brown Bio and Contact Info Christy has held a number of executive leadership roles over the past 20 years but in 2019, became the Managing Executive Partner of a venture capital firm focused on pairing venture capital with shared services in a studio environment to scale rapidly with services to support early-stage startups.  Prior to assuming the executive investment role, Christy was the Executive Vice President at a Fortune 100 human capital management software company where she leads the business transformation & client success organization globally. Christy is a serial entrepreneur and founder and has scaled three service-based companies focused on digital marketing, human capital and security consulting which she exited across a 12-year interval.  Following the last exit, she became a consummate innovator and aligned to multiple startups incubators as a mentor and advisor.  She also serves as a board member across the Atlanta ecosystem including the Entrepreneur's Organization, Metro Atlanta Chamber of Commerce, American Cancer Society,  Technology Association of Georgia and various advisor and board roles across early and series stage startups in technology.    Christy’s website Christy on LinkedIn Christy on Twitter @downtown_CB Tone Networks website Launchpad2x on LinkedIn People and Resources Mentioned IRONMAN website AJ Anderson on LinkedIn Lee Charles on LinkedIn Kat Cole on LinkedIn Jordan Lawrence on LinkedIn Connect with Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Mark on YouTube Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter      
With many countries in “lockdown” in a bid to stop the spread of coronavirus, businesses have been forced to adopt a remote work model.  If you own a recruitment business, managing recruiters remotely presents some significant challenges.  How do you keep your team members motivated and engaged?  How can you ensure people are productive without physically being there to supervise them?  In this episode of The Resilient Recruiter my very special guest, Ann Zaslow-Rethaber joins me to share her insights on running a successful team based on 20+ years of experience managing remote recruiters. Ann has been a recruiter since 1996 and she is the President of the International Search Consultants (ISC), a global executive recruitment firm. Ann launched ISC in 1999 her company has become one of the most reputable search firms in the United States, earning more recommendations on LinkedIn than any third party recruitment agency in the country.  Episode Outline and Highlights [2:30] Ann talks about visiting Mark in Scotland and shares her philosophy of investing in experiences and relationships instead of collecting “things.”  [5:17] Why Ann considers the Pandemic situation a “golden opportunity.”  [14:47] Two business principles to help you and your remote team stay on top of things. [22:52] How to hold your remote team accountable -- Ann explains two significant factors. [28:52] Praise vs Criticism: which is better for increasing your team’s performance? [35:17] A very powerful approach to help managers create accountability.  [41:43] Three things that Ann would have done differently if she knew then what she knows today. [45:43] Ann’s story -- from flight attendant to top producing recruiter; how being a working mother forced her to become super-productive Successful Remote Working Even Prior to the Pandemic Ann was already set-up for remote working prior to the coronavirus pandemic. If you want to listen to her strategy and how she achieved $142,000 in billing in one month, you may want to listen to our previous interview - look for the link below under People and Resources.  The Importance of Investing in a Great Working Relationship With the current difficult situation we are facing with the Pandemic, there is a tendency for some recruiters to become radio silent with their clients. On the contrary, now is the time to be close and to stay in contact with clients. Ann is doing just that. She believes that now is the golden opportunity to walk the talk. She ensured to have her team message their clients, with the focus on saying  “I'm just touching base, and letting you know that we’re here.” Ann also shared her thoughts on why “time is the most valuable thing that any of us have.” As Ann puts it, “Just human compassion. You don’t always have to make money off a relationship, you can just have the working relationship because you like the person and you want to check on them. I think it’s a golden opportunity to walk that walk.” Overcoming Remote Working Challenges Remote working is now becoming more and more common. “The negatives in the past have always been synergy and making people accountable.” as Ann recalled. However, with the current technology available, working virtually is actually resulting in a lot of good results. Ann said, “There are so many benefits from working virtually and not requiring people to get in cars or to get in planes to drive from one place to the other.” Would it be possible to manage a virtual team as if you are managing people in the same location? Ann stated, “Twice a week meetings, daily meetings, touching base, anything that you can do live just about you can do online with this amazing technology that we all have.” Learning from the Past You’ll enjoy Ann’s story on how she went from being a flight attendant to becoming a top biller in the recruitment industry. Also, hear her insights on three things that she considers she would have done differently when building her business if she knew then what she knows now.  Connect with Ann Zaslow-Rethaber: Ann on LinkedIn Ann on Twitter @annzaslow International Search Consultants (ISC) website International Search Consultants (ISC) on LinkedIn International Search Consultants (ISC) on Facebook International Search Consultants (ISC) on Twitter @iscjobs People and Resources Mentioned: JobAdder on LinkedIn GeekSquad on LinkedIn Case Study: Recruiting Firm Owner Achieves New Personal Best, Billing $142,000 in One Month, by Mark Whitby. The Ideal Praise-to-Criticism Ratio, Harvard Business Review. Article Link. Connect With Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Mark on YouTube Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter
The Coronavirus Pandemic has definitely impacted the jobs market and most likely presented new challenges to your recruitment business. Are you looking for alternatives to pivot your recruitment marketing strategies? Then you will definitely want to listen to my interview with Yosef Colish, Managing Director of Leah Yosef International, an executive search firm in the wealth-management space.   In this episode, Yosef shared how he adapted his approach and strategy when reaching out to potential clients given the current pandemic situation. You will also hear Yosef’s story, techniques, habits, and most importantly his mindset which will give you a clear picture of what it takes to be a million-dollar producer. Episode Outline and Highlights [3:00] 10 Before 10:00 Principle [7:00] Focus on Messaging and Approach  [11:19] “The pool is cold and just figure out a way to jump in” [14:20] Pivot and Changing Focus [19:00] “What is my Why?” [24:00] On managing your business: What do you personally focus your time on and what do you delegate to your assistants or offshore researchers? [33:18] Yosef’s story: From a research associate to a top producer [42:30] Work-Life Balance 10 Before 10:00 Principle  Leah Yosef International is a member of the Sanford Rose Associates network of offices. One thing that SRA President Jeff Kaye said that resonated with Yosef is, “There are certain clients out there that need you right now.” So Yosef decided to apply the 10 before 10:00 principle. Listen as he discusses the three simple steps he is taking that has resulted in a lead every single day - and in one case he got 7 jobs!   If you want to read more about the 10 before 10:00 formula, read my blog article “How to Increase Your Sales Activity”  and increase your sales activity by clicking on this link. Focus on Messaging and Approach  Focus on approach and messaging helped Yosef reach out to his leads and client positively. He was able to converse with the intention concentrated on caring and making human connection rather than just trying to sell something. In his words, “You already have the icebreaker. It’s just ‘How are you?’”.  He also shared an overview of at least three phases when reaching out to their leads in a nine-day cycle, as well as what tools they are using. “The pool is cold and just figure out a way to jump in” Reaching out to leads can be difficult sometimes. Yosef shared a really motivating success story of how overcoming negative thoughts in his head got him a contingent job order. Definitely worth hearing. Pivot and Changing Focus Reallocating his time to improve his business, Yosef shifted his strategy to add Consulting as a service offering to complement his existing Perm/Direct Hire business.  Same market, same prospect, same relationship, providing a different solution that may be relevant is really good thinking. Yosef shared how his move is taking traction.  “What is my Why?” In the middle of our conversation, a very interesting mindset was shared by Yosef: “Just one thing I struggled with for a very long time was ‘What’s my why?’”     Being a father and a breadwinner, money is a pretty big WHY. But it didn’t feel good to Yosef if that was the only reason. Yosef believes that it is not just about money. It is about changing people’s lives.     Inspired by Michael Jackson’s song “Heal the World”, Yosef used to be a medical student. With his present role, listen to his thoughts on how he contributes to “heal the world and make it a better place”. Hear his insights on how his business fits with his mission and what he is trying to build.  On managing your business: What do you personally focus your time on and what do you delegate to your assistants or offshore researchers? A recruiter professional’s tasks can be daunting. How does Yosef manage his time by effective delegation? In his words: “I focus my time on anything that has to do with deals and interacting with my clients. Reaching out to candidates if I know that they are interested.”   For him to focus on interacting with his clients, tasks that take a lot of time and effort and energy can be delegated.  “Anything that anyone else can possibly do, that I can give 20 minutes of training and they can do it for 25 hours over the course of the year, that is awesome!”   But with all these tasks, how does he manage and keep track of all that’s happening? There are four things on his desk that help him keep track. He also shared four software/tools that help him manage these tasks.    Yosef’s story: From a research associate to a top producer Yosef recalls the time he started as a part-time executive assistant, becoming a research associate rising as a big biller and a partner in his firm. What he achieved in a relatively short period of time is remarkable. His account just shows how driving and taking responsibility for your development lead to success.  Work-Life Balance Having very clear parameters around things, how do Yosef balance being a dad and doing other things? Hear his one effective technique in managing all different aspects.  Connect with Yosef Colish: Yosef on LinkedIn     Yosef on Twitter: @yosef_colish Leah Yossef International            Connect With Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Mark on YouTube Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter   People & Resources Mentioned Jeff Kaye on LinkedIn Erin Bent on LinkedIn Karen Schmidt on LinkedIn Todd Camp on LinkedIn 10 Before 10:00 / How to Increase Your Sales Activity by Mark Whitby BOOK: Start with Why by Simon Senik BOOK: Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss BOOK: Start With No by Jim Camp SRA / Sandford Rose Associates Website Next Level Exchange Website Call Logic Website WoodPecker Website Tony Robbins Life Coaching Website Headhunting 247 Website Get Vyral Website MPC Email Template Kolbe Test Website
There are very few women in recruitment management positions in the global power sector—for years, Katie Howard Cross was one of them. You see more gender disparity as you climb up the ladder and both Katie and I agree that needs to change. In this episode of The Resilient Recruiter, Katie and I chat about how she found success. We’ll delve into her strategies, her positive mindset, and talk about her new business endeavor—Eva Connections. Katie has a strong entrepreneurial spirit that shines through whatever she takes on. Her goal is to empower women working in recruitment—in any industry, truly—to help them reach success.  Outline of This Episode [2:55] The message Katie is sharing with her community [5:28] Career advancement, family, and tough decisions [10:15] Katie’s lightbulb moment that changed everything [14:26] The freedom and flexibility of running your own business [17:04] How Katie billed €600,000 while managing a large team [24:09] Katie shares how to sell a retainer model to clients [31:35] What Katie has learned building her business [34:08] We take a deep-dive into Katie’s business—Eva Connections Women in recruitment are forced to make tough decisions Katie shares she was focused on career advancement well into her 30’s—it wasn’t until then she decided to have kids. She worked long hours in a global sector that included constant world-wide travel. When she had her daughter, she knew her work practices needed to shift. She began leaving work at 5:30 every day which—for some recruiters—is the middle of the day. After having her 2nd child, she knew she needed to leave Amoria Bond, and they parted ways amicably. But she was left feeling as if she was having an identity crisis, and found herself asking “Who am I? What's my identity? Where do I fit in the world?”.  Why Katie launched her own business Before Katie had kids, she had worked with an executive coach to narrow down her values, which were found in career advancement/progression and seeking out adventure. After kids, her values drastically switched to finding autonomy, freedom, and flexibility. She still wanted a career and knew she could couple it with being a Mom. So Katie started her own business. She launched into career-coaching for women and focused on recruitment training—because she excelled at it. She met her current business partner 8 months into the process and found that they complemented each other’s abilities. They put their heads together and Eva Connections was born. Suddenly, Katie had the freedom to choose her own hours and structure her day how she pleased. She had the flexibility to make appointments when it suited her. She points out that the traditional 9-5 is becoming outdated and old-fashioned and found herself questioning, “What works for me and makes me happy? As long as that’s working I know my business will flourish”.  How Katie billed €600,000 while managing a large team Katie has been in the recruiting industry for 19 years and reached a point where she completed 10 deals a month while managing a team. It took years of learning from the experts, working with candidates to understand the industry and soak in all the knowledge she could. She didn’t reinvent the wheel but followed a process she knew worked. 10 years later, she became the expert. She attributes some of her success to choosing a niche and diligence with market-mapping. She wasn’t afraid to get on the phone and speak to candidates and clients. She qualified her leads and minimized the event of a candidate not accepting a position. She firmly believes—as do I—in the retainer model. Above all, she believes in the value of her service. Katie goes into detail about what she did that works and continues to work—listen to this section carefully to benefit from her vast knowledge.  Retainer versus contingency: selling it to clients The average conversion of job order to placement across the industry is a mere 19%. So the recruiters who work on a contingency basis are working for free 80% of the time. This isn’t a way to make a living and provide for a family. You should be paid upfront for the work you do. Your time is precious—don’t waste it.  Katie believes that recruiters don’t challenge their clients enough and that you need to fight for yourself. You’re a specialist working in a particular niche and an expert in your industry. You must have confidence in yourself and your abilities and be willing to push back when necessary.  Katie states you must focus on “finding those clients that appreciate the value in the service that you offer, the skills and the expertise you can bring, and the quality and the caliber of candidates that may then add significant value to [their] business”. In the remainder of the episode, Katie also talks in-depth about her business, Eva Connections, and the community they’ve built for women. She continues to find ways to invest in women in recruitment Katie Howard Cross Bio and Contact Info Katie is the co-founder of Eva Connections and has more than 18 years of experience in executive recruitment, training and development, and career coaching. She's worked extensively in the energy and heavy engineering sectors and she's passionate about developing a company culture that supports women to rise to the top of their profession.  She has worked and operated within international business environments and built multi-million revenue-generating provisions from scratch. She's got a very entrepreneurial mindset and is always seeking out and has a talent for spotting creative opportunities from nothing where none previously existed. Katie's helped her teams to win several awards along the way, including Best Executive Search Firm at the RBA Awards for four consecutive years. Eva Connections Katie on LinkedIn Katie on Twitter Resources & People Mentioned Amoria Bond Connect With Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Mark on YouTube Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter Audio Production and Show notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK
How do you demonstrate leadership in times of crisis? How do you protect your business and lead your team through the Coronavirus Pandemic? We are living through a very uncertain period of time where we must stay relevant and resilient. In this episode of The Resilient Recruiter, my friend and coaching client Greg Benadiba joins me to share his thoughts.  Greg shares his strategy for screening recruiters and hiring the right people for the position. He also shares the leadership principles he’s built his business on. We share a hopeful viewpoint, one in which your recruiting business can emerge stronger than ever.  Outline of This Episode [2:11] Greg Benadiba shares how to work smarter—not harder [4:48] Lessons and takeaways from the last recession [6:57] How to help your business survive the Coronavirus pandemic [10:33] How to build and maintain relationships with clients [17:15] The unique way Greg interviews and hires recruiters [26:49] The targeted and probing questions to decipher the best candidate [30:49] The 5 principles Greg has adapted for his recruiting business How to stay resilient through adversity At the time of recording this podcast, Ontario had declared a state of emergency. Major outlets, stores, banks, restaurants, and bars closed on St. Patrick's Day. Greg ‘s team went from having 120 jobs to fill down to 72. Greg believes there will be a significant decrease in job orders across the board. But notes it is possible in this day and age to interview, hire and work remotely.  Greg points out that regardless of the pandemic, there will still be positions that need to be filled. So you must stay level-headed and position yourself for the upswing that will come. I work with each of my clients to have a plan of action to get them through this pandemic—you need to have one as well. Keep listening as Greg and I talk about having a contingency plan in place and where he’s focusing his business right now. We also talk about tough decisions you may have to make as a manager.  How to stay in front of your customers It is more important than ever to position yourself to remain in front of your clients. When things pick up again you’ll be at the forefront of their minds. Greg found a unique way to add value for his customers: he made his Zoom account available to customers so that they could still interview potential hires. It was a simple way to help meet their needs and keep their business from screeching to a halt.  We can still facilitate meetings through the tools we have available—email, conference calls, video conferencing, etc. We must be careful not to alienate customers, but stay in touch and offer insight, guidance, and empathy. Greg says to ask the question, “How can we add value considering the current circumstances that our clients are in?” Greg’s unique hiring process Greg doesn’t aim to hire experienced recruiters but prefers to hire candidates from across industries who embody the values he’s looking for. They need to be good with people as well as driven and sales focused. He looks for resiliency and someone who is always learning and finding ways to improve. He asks probing questions, such as “What’s the most difficult thing they’ve ever been through?”.  He notes that you can’t rush the recruiting process. On top of his interview questions and profile testing, they have the recruiter undergo a half-day of job shadowing. In the second part of that day, the potential hire is allowed to jump on the phone to connect with people and flesh out a list of referrals. In this way, the candidate is able to immerse themselves into the job and get a feel for what it will be like.  Greg uses a clearly defined checklist in his hiring process. All of the questions on his checklist are based on mistakes that he’s made in the past. He crafts those mistakes into questions for his screening process. Listen as he shares examples of his questions and how he uses them to decipher who will be the best fit for his business.  The 5 principles Greg incorporates into Bilingual Source Greg was kind enough to share 5 principles that he incorporates into his business:  Principle #1: You are solely responsible for you and your team’s performance. Assume the role of “mini CEO” and take responsibility for performance management, hiring, training, etc.  Principle #2: You must lead by example. “Do as I say, not as I do” doesn’t work—we all know it. Be the type of manager and leader that your team looks up to and emulates. Follow the rules, don’t cut corners, and be the role model  Principle #3: Have very clear goals defined for you and your team. Don’t confuse goals with desires. Goals MUST be accomplished, desires are just things you want.  Principle #4: Don’t worry about looking good, worry about achieving your goals. As a leader, you can’t always make the popular choice—but you need to make the right one. If a decision conflicts with achieving a goal, it’s an easy no.  Principle #5: Hone yours and your team's outcomes. Focus on what you CAN control and take ownership of the outcome. This is no place for the blame-game.  Greg believes there is always a process to follow. If you stray from your plan you make yourself susceptible to stupid mistakes. Above all, everything you say and do needs to be congruent with your values. Listen to the rest of the episode as we talk about Greg's vision for the future of Bilingual Source.  Greg Benadiba Bio and Contact Info Greg and his team at Bilingual Source have been in the recruitment space for 35 years. They are the leaders in language search in the Canadian Market and have brokered over 500MM in salaries over those years. Greg has consistently been a top producer for his organization, with record billings of 750K, and has helped double the organization's revenue over the last 4 years. Greg on LinkedIn Bilingual Source Website Bilingual Source on Twitter Bilingual Source on Instagram Resources & People Mentioned Sales Test Online The 10x Rule by Grant Cardone Principles by Ray Dalio Connect With Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Mark on YouTube Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter
How do you respond to a recession? I’ve been here before and I’ve learned to recognize the signs—a recession is coming. I recommend to act as if tough times are coming and take massive action—charge forward with total commitment and sell as if your family's financial security is at stake.  I get 100% of my business through digital marketing strategies with 20% of my warm leads coming from LinkedIn. Generating warm leads on LinkedIn is one of the marketing strategies I recommend adopting right now.  The only way to deal with adversity is to increase your commitment and adopt more intelligent strategies. In this episode of The Resilient Recruiter, I’m sharing a presentation on how to generate warm leads on LinkedIn. I’ll share the 5 key things it takes to make your profile compelling, how to connect with leads and how to resonate with your audience.  Outline of This Episode [1:16] What motivates me to push harder in times of uncertainty [6:57] How to generate warm leads on LinkedIn during a recession [10:05] I share the 5 keys to creating an effective LinkedIn strategy [13:17] Key #1: Create a compelling LinkedIn profile [24:08] Key #2: Focus on Consistently growing your network [33:08] Key #3: Follow up and start engaging conversations [39:07] BONUS: How to increase your response rate exponentially [42:40] Key #4: In a world where content is king—how do you stand out? [53:47] Key #5: Who do you engage with on LinkedIn? Key #1: Make your LinkedIn profile compelling Your LinkedIn profile should be a lead generation website for your business. Take a look at your LinkedIn profile from the perspective of a potential client or candidate. Does it convey who you are and what you do? There are a few things I recommend making a concerted effort with: Choose a profile image that is professional and inviting.  Do not use the default banner. It is prime real estate and one of the first things someone sees. Ideally, you should use a photograph taken in a professional context. It needs to convey credibility and authority.  Craft a professional headline. Clearly define what you do and what value proposition is. Who do you work with? What kind of results do you get? Signal to your industry and your ideal audience that you speak their language and provide them an incentive to scroll down and get more information. PRO TIP: Adjust your headline using the app on your phone—you’re somehow allowed more words/characters. Use the ‘about’ section to make a human connection. Tell your personal and professional story in a way that is relevant to your business and resonates with your audience. You want a potential client or prospect to relate to you. Share WHY you do what you do.  Listen to the episode for more ideas to create a compelling LinkedIn Profile.  Key #2: Consistently grow your network  Growing your network needs to be a proactive process that you do consistently every day. You need to start by searching for your ideal prospects with a tool such as LinkedIn Sales Navigator. I recommend setting a goal to send 30-50 connection requests a day (allocating 30-60 minutes of your time). I typically see a 40% acceptance rate from people who are warm prospects that are more receptive to engagement.  Secondly, focus on crafting a message that is low-key, non-threatening, with zero sales pitch. Personalize the message when possible with something relevant. You can create a friendly and natural-sounding template to use and interchange the pertinent details. You could use a simple template across the board, but your response rate will likely be lower without a personalized touch. Key #3: It’s all about outreach You need to follow up with leads and start conversations. Send a sequence of messages with the end goal of engaging the lead and having them schedule a call on your calendar. This is a task where you can hire a virtual assistant to help you.  Within the first 24 hours send them a polite note. If you don’t get a reply, send another message from a different angle. You could ask a question or comment on a post or article on their profile. Perhaps you could send them a piece of content or research relevant to their field.  You could send a case study pitch—a soft sell—just sharing a brief snapshot of what you do and the success you’ve found.  Offer a call—ask them when would be a great time to chat about the value you can offer them.  There is ONE thing I’ve found that will get you a higher response rate. One of my clients gets an 80% response rate when they use this tactic. Listen to the whole episode to find out what the strategy is. Key #4: Content is King The easiest way to generate inbound leads is by producing content on LinkedIn. Writing articles is great, but even simply posting a status update is huge. Once you’ve connected with someone, it keeps you on their radar. You become a regular in their newsfeed and they see your face repeatedly.  These are the guidelines that I recommend: Consider posting once daily but the minimum is once a week. It can take as little as 15 minutes to come up with something that can offer value.  Share a video update: You can cover thoughtful and relevant content quickly and it allows your connections to see your personality and connect with a face.  Share your photos: post photos from client meetings, industry conferences, speaking on a panel, etc. with a simple caption.  Share a text-based status update: This is something that you can do daily.  There is an art and a science to status updates. People NEED to engage with your content or LinkedIn won’t share it. Only a small fraction of your audience sees what you post organically. So you need to design your content carefully and put an emphasis on content that will stimulate discussion.  Key #5: Be strategic and intentional about where you’re commenting and liking  There are only TWO reasons you should comment on someone else’s content: 1) If they’re an existing or potential client, or 2) they’re a thought leader in your industry. LinkedIn isn’t Facebook. You can’t scroll, like, and comment on people’s posts without being intentional.  Engage with an existing or potential client. Make what you say directly relevant so that they take notice of you. Engage with a thought leader in your industry. They are interacting with the same audience you want to reach. If you can capture a piece of that audience with your thoughtful comments, you’re headed the right direction. The recruiting industry lives on LinkedIn more than any other platform. It’s important to leverage the social platform as a part of your digital marketing strategy. What you’ve read is just a snapshot of the content I cover in this episode. Make sure you listen for full details on my guide to generating warm leads on LinkedIn.  Resources & People Mentioned LinkedIn Sales Navigator BOOK: Start with Why BOOK: The Million-Pound LinkedIn Message Lee De Souza on LinkedIn Vidyard CloudHQ BombBomb Connect With Mark Whitby Get your FREE 30-minute strategy call: www.RecruitmentCoach.com/Breakthrough Mark on LinkedIn Mark on Twitter: @MarkWhitby Mark on Facebook Mark on Instagram: @RecruitmentCoach Mark on YouTube Subscribe to The Resilient Recruiter Audio Production and Show notes by PODCAST FAST TRACK
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