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Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP) Podcast- A Polyvagal Theory Informed Therapy

Author: Joanne McIntyre

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Here we talk everything Polyvagal and Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP) related. Dr Porges has provided us with a revolutionary framework for understanding the connection between our autonomic nervous system and behaviour based on perceptions of threat or safety. The SSP acoustic intervention is an exciting new therapy helping people all around the world. We will explore topics to help us better understand our neurobiology and how that relates to recovery and optimal health.
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What we have been waiting for.......a place to learn all about the Polyvagal Theory and how to unravel key concepts to implement in system and clinical practice. Welcome to the Polyvagal Institute (PVI).I have the pleasure of speaking with the Executive Director, Randall Redfield all about the Polyvagal Institute, its mission, and learning opportunities.IMPORTANT- Course Discount Offer for our podcast listeners:  In association with the PVI we are so pleased to be able to offer a Discount to the "Art and Science of the Polyvagal Theory" Course by Dr Porges and Deb Dana.  See below for the link to order the course. The cost is in Australian dollars but transfers to around a 25% discount  (due to currency exchange).Click here to ORDER        Australian: Click here to ORDER (includes GST)THE ART & SCIENCE OF POLYVAGAL THEORY PROVIDED BY THE POLYVAGAL INSTITUTE:  Format: 8.5 hrs live-online and recorded Price: $A300 (approx 25% discount from listed price)Contact: Stephen Porges, Ph.D. & Deb Dana, LCSW Live Q&A Dates and Times: Deb Dana, Oct 1 2021 at 11am EDT [ Oct 2, 1am AESTStephen Porges Oct 7 at 1pm EDT [ Oct 8, 3am AEST, 4am AEDT]For more detailed information please see HEREI have known Randall for some years from my early work as an Instructor for Integrated Listening Systems (iLs). Randall was an iLs Co-Founder and I loved every minute of being involved with iLs and teaching practitioners across the USA and Canada about the iLs Focus System. Randall shares his journey in first meeting Dr Porges for a podcast interview in his home in North Carolina to forming a partnership to bring the Safe and Sound Protocol out of the Lab into the therapy community. The beauty of learning Polyvagal Theory is that we can apply key principles into day-to-day life in connecting and co-regulating with family, friends, colleagues, and acquaintances. Randall speaks of his own personal journey with connecting with his sons.Listen in to learn about the PVI mission and current and future learning opportunities. The PVI is developing courses about being Polyvagal Informed in Education, Medical, Legal fields, and Equine and Animal Assisted therapy. Current courses available are taught by Dr Porges and Deb Dana.Keep an eye out for a future podcast that I have planned with Dr Rebecca Bailey about Polyvagal Theory in Equine Assisted Therapy. Dr Bailey is also developing a course for the PVI. To find out more information: Polyvagal InstituteContact me at ssppodcast1@gmail.comBreath Slow & Smile,  Joanne McIntyre
Dr Porges early research career started when the science of psychophysiology was in its infancy. He studied heart rhythms, specifically the time interval between each heartbeat (Heart rate variability) which was recognized as a direct measure of vagal influences on cardiac function. He studied how this time interval varied in different states such as sustained attention or stress and was the first to provide the quantification of such phenomena in 1969.Heart rate variability (HRV) is considered to be the "Gold Standard" for measuring stress. However, as you will discover in our discussion HRV is measuring vagal tone and homeostasis. This episode is packed with invaluable information for practitioners and individuals wanting to learn more about cardiac vagal tone and how to improve neural regulation.  HRV is a valuable tool to assess vagal tone, facilitate learning about body states, is a portal to vagal functions, and can be used to support SSP outcomes.Listen in as Dr Porges expands on:Cardiac vagal tone- a measure of how the brain controls the viscera- like a "window into the brain."Vagal system and its role in maintaining HomeostasisHomeostasis versus Stress   Vagus as a neural surveillance systemMeasuring Vagal EfficiencyRespiratory Sinus Arrhythmia (RSA)- measurement index solely for Ventral VagusWhat is the "Vagal Break" and its role in regulation, attention & flexibilityHRV Biofeedback and the "Resonance Sore" or "Coherence Score"HRV biofeedback as a neural exercise to facilitate vagal tone like the SSPWhat is the "plasticity" in the underlying neurophysiology of the vagal system?The sympathetic system is not our enemy!SSP- an amplification of cues of safety via emphasis of prosodic featuresBiofeedback tool- IOM2 as a measure of vagal tone & supporting the SSP. IOM2 Interactive Biofeedback as a tool for practitioners to help clients learn about their body statesDiscussion including questions submitted by the Safe and Sound Protocol Podcast Facebook groupDysautonomia- vagal homeostatic functions under a state of perceived threatLong COVID- body re-tuned into a state of threat and its relationship to TraumaInflammatory reactions as a "defense response"Sleep medications impact on SSPRSA across the lifespanEhlers-Danlos syndrome and Vagal Efficiency studyLearning OpportunitiesCourse 1:Polyvagal Based Heart Rate Variability Introduction CourseThis first course will cover:HRV research and relevance to practice in mental health, trauma, and ADHDCardiac vagal tone and how to apply it in a therapeutic settingVagal influences on the heartThe Heart-Brain ConnectionTerminology- vagal tone; RSA: HRV; high vagal tone; Resonance and Coherent Breathing; HRV biofeedbackTools to measure HRVCourse 2: SSP and HRV Biofeedback ( pre-requisite Class 1 )This short course will introduce the IOM2  as a measure of vagal tone and how it can be used to help guide SSP application.Learn about the IOM2 Grapher and Resonance Score for baseline measures and as a tool to facilitate a narrative with clients about body statesUsing the Biofeedback "Journeys" to facilitate vagal tone to support SSP implementationBoth Courses will be available via live webinars and then on-demand.Course 1- click here to REGISTERCourse 2- click here to REGISTER
Hi everyone,Welcome to Episode # 15Yes..... it's finally here....a new episode!!Today I have the utmost pleasure of speaking with Tracy Stackhouse, Occupational Therapist and Executive Director at Developmental FX a non-profit organization providing clinical and training services to engage and evaluate pediatric therapeutic practice.I loved my conversation with Tracy.  Hope you like the title of today's episode, "Windows to Regulation" and I think as you listen to our conversation, the title will make sense.   Tracy so clearly articulates the inter-connection of key models, such as Dan Siegel's "Window of Tolerance"; Bruce Perry's Neurosequential Model; Jean Ayres Sensory Integration Theory, and Interpersonal Neurobiology with the Polyvagal Theory. These models help us formulate clinical plans to facilitate co-regulation, connection, and safety in supporting SSP outcomes. I hope you all enjoy this episode. Please see below for Tracy's bio where you can learn about her work.Here are some key points that you will learn about from our conversation:Using the language of  "the window of tolerance" or "river of integration" to help describe the ebb and flow, expansion, or contraction of our autonomic state and relationship to behavioral states of regulation or dysregulationExplains the "R's"of regulationexploring what is " optimal adaptation"flow stateThe importance of  developing "deep observation" skills or "listening" skills in the postural system, voice, body language, facial expression What is the Social-Motor system?How Co-Regulation is key to providing the "Safe" before and during the "Sound" for SSP delivery The importance of developing a comprehensive clinical plan for SSP success the SpIRiT model for reasoning and intervention planningThe components of co-regulation often need to be taught explicitly and include:SynchronyMutual and ReciprocityMirroringServe and ReturnShared AffectRepairFollowing the child's leadNurturancePromotion of AgencyPractitioners first develop these skills then learn how to guide families.Tracy spoke about a treatment-intensive project she is involved in called Camp Jabiru. The camp is based on SI Theory and the neurobiology of "Safety" held in the Sydney region of Australia.Here are links to the various projects and programs we discussed.  Spirited Conversations PodcastCamp JabiruDFX Learning Journeys:  the website will launch in a few weeks. Until then, email:  learningjourneys@developmentalfx.orgMore about TracyTracy Murnan Stackhouse, MA, OTR is the executive director of Developmental FX (DFX) in Denver, Colorado, a non-profit organization providing clinical and training services to engage and elevate pediatric therapeutic practice. She is a leading pediatric Occupational Therapist (OT) involved in clinical treatment, research, mentoring, and training regarding OT intervention for persons with neurodevelopmental disorders, especially Fragile X Syndrome and autism. Tracy has a master’s degree in developmental psychology/neuroscience. She received her NDT training with Lois Bly. She is SIPT Certified and was the clinical specialist in sensory integration at The Children’s Hospital in Denver as well as the OT for the Fragile X Research and Treatment Center. Tracy continued her clinical and research work with Dr. Randi Hagerman at the UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute during its stLove to hear from you!!Please join our Safe and Sound Protocol Podcast Facebook group to post comments.Smile, Joanne
It is with great pleasure to share with you my conversation with Dr Sarah Shubert. Sarah is a Clinical Psychologist who works with children, adolescents, adults, and families. Sarah has a private practice and previously worked with complex mental health issues in Community treatment settings. Sarah is published in the area of trauma therapy and ADHD. Her doctoral dissertation was in the area of EMDR for the treatment of PTSD. She has won national and international awards for her research of EMDR and PTSD and is an accredited EMDR trainer.EMDR stands for Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing which is an evidence-based intervention for trauma and PTSD. The World Health Organization, (WHO )recognises EMDR   as the first-choice treatment for Post-traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD; WHO, 2013).Sarah is a trained SSP practitioner and implements the protocol, including Polyvagal theoretical approaches, to support her EMDR work. Please listen to how Sara beautifully blends the science of safety and connection.Topics covered include:What is EMDR?Polyvagal Theory, EMDR and coregulation in healing traumaUnravelling the "Preparation Phase" of EMDRUnderstanding PTSD challenges including emotional regulation, self-compassion and pervasive negative self-beliefsUnderstanding how "shutdown" can look like "calm and importance to know the differenceHow "shut down" blocks the memory processing of trauma and the importance of building safetyThe Polyvagal gift..... provides hope that we can rewire our nervous system for love, safety and connection Safety through connection and  memory reconsolidation Sarah's personal experience with the Safe and Sound Protocol Why the SSP is an important therapy to support EMDRTo learn more about EMDR training with Sara for children and adolescents click this link- EMDR TrainingDuring the episode I spoke, not so clearly I admit as it had been some time since I read about his work, of Dr Daniel Brown- link to more information- click here  I would strongly recommend reading more about his work.Daniel Brown, Ph.D. is Associate Clinical Professor of Psychology at Harvard Medical School and has served on the faculty for over 38 years.An author of 24 books, and winner of the 1999 Guttmacher Award from the American Psychiatric Association and the American Academy of Psychiatry & Law for outstanding contribution to forensic psychiatry.As an expert legal witness, Dr. Brown has testified in over 200 child abuse cases and served as an expert witness for prosecutors at the International War Crimes Tribunal, helping them establish a standard of evidence for victims of war atrocities.A senior meditation master, Dr. Brown has trained and taught with top Indo-Tibetan Bon & Buddhist lamas for more than 48 years, including lineage holders from some of the great schools of Buddhism.Dr. Brown Co-Founded The Attachment Project based on the foundations of his award-winning book Attachment Disturbances in Adults: Treatment for Comprehensive Repair.I love to hear from you, please post any comments to the Safe and Sound Protocol Podcast Facebook group or email me at ssppodcast1@gmail.comFor more information about the SSP please contact Unyte Integrated Listening SystemsFor Australia and New Zealand please contact Integrated Listening Australia.
 Wow, I know everyone is really going to gain an abundance of information from this episode. We have some exciting new developments with the release of the Digital SSP option and the new "Pathways" programming-  and we talk about them both in this episode so don't miss out!I am so lucky to be accompanied by 3 amazing practitioners from different parts of the USA who have embedded the SSP as a core component of their practice.  They share their approach in supporting children, families,  and adults, including older adults.Before I provide some highlights of what you will learn from listening to this episode it is with great pleasure that I introduce each of my guests.Doreen Hunt, OTR/L Co-Director of  Children's Therapy at WoodinvilleMany of you will be familiar with Doreen Hunt, Occupational Therapist who spoke with me on episode # 8. Doreen was the first practitioner to lead the initial feasibility study when the SSP was first released. Her clinical experience with 100's of clients provided invaluable feedback to Dr Porges and iLs that helped guide SSP implementation in the clinical world. Doreen provides the SSP practitioner Q&A sessions and the new practitioner webinars describing the new Pathways programming addition to the Digital SSP.More information:Doreen Hunt- Children's Therapy of WoodinvilleKate Ortman is Founder and CEO of Brain Train AmericaKate is a leader as one of the world’s most respected providers of multi-modality brain training programs.  Kate integrates neurotechnologies to help children, adults and older adults all around the world. Kate, her son Greg, and their company were featured in internationally-respected Popular Science magazine and Kate has presented at international conferences for Integrated Listening Systems, Scientific Learning, and  Interactive Metronome. More information:Kate Ortman- Brain Train AmericaMonica Cochran M.Ed.- Owner Learning without BordersMonica is passionate about nurturing the love of learning and has vast experience in helping learners of all ages enjoy learning. Working locally in the Ann Arbor, Michigan area and virtually (online), all over the world, she especially enjoys helping learners who have unique talents and challenges develop their strengths and learn in ways that work for them, so they can become lifelong learners and thrive. Monica provides personalized learning, education therapy, transition planning, and parent coaching. Monica is also trained in DIRfloortime.More information:Monica Cochran-  Learning without BordersThis episode flowed so well;  Doreen, Kate and Monica share a wealth of information for both practitioners and people who are experiencing challenges and looking for help.Topics covered include:SSP helping families who have opened their hearts and homes to adopt a childThe importance of Bonding and how the SSP facilitates this in couples and familiesSSP helping families connect and regulate- "Harmony in the House!....Doreen"Trauma in learning challengesHow the SSP accelerates the "sense of safety"Learn about..."the Brain not hearing what the ears are hearing.....Kate"Changes in sensory sensitivities and bilateral motor integration skills- the brain is more connected!Improvements in Receptive language skillsKate discusses peak performance and healthy aging- using the Focus system and SSP to improve hearing compared to hearing aidsThe new SSP Intake form for SSP practitioners"Safe Sound" to help decrease stressPolyvagal Theory, SSP and Neuroplasticity
Today it is my great pleasure to again be speaking with Kim Barthel, Occupational Therapist, from "Relationship Matters" Canada. Some information about Kim...InstructorKim travels widely as an instructor to a range of therapists, educators, special-needs care providers and parents. Her specialties in workshop instruction include Trauma-Informed Practice, Pediatric Neuro-Developmental Treatment, Sensory Processing, Attachment Theory, Autism Spectrum Disorder, Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder, Addiction and Mental Health. ConsultantAs a consultant working globally, Kim supports agencies, schools and businesses to develop trans-disciplinary services and environments for a wide range of individuals with special needs.AuthorAs an author, Kim co-authored Canadian National Best-Seller Conversations with a Rattlesnake: Raw and Honest Reflections on Healing and Trauma with Theo Fleury in 2014. I spoke with Kim in episode number 9 about resilience and trauma so make sure you take a listen.Please enjoy this very informative session with Kim. We discuss trauma and the connection with sensory processing, attachment and our postural system. Kim covers these topics and more her workshop, Psycho-Sensory Intervention: Informed and Integrated Mental Health Support Strategies for the Treatment of Trauma. This training provides an integrated theoretical connection about the neurological interplay between attachment, developmental trauma and sensory processing issues. Our discussion starts by defining what is "trauma?" A very expansive that is well needed!Other topics covered:explaining sensory processing and why it is important to consider this system in the therapeutic process the role of the attachment process in trauma, resilience and sensory challengesrelational attunement as a regulatory influence in stabilising the arousal and sensory processing systemconnecting the "Arousal System Theory" with the “Window of Tolerance”how attachment strategies are functionally adaptive in relation to developmental traumainterpersonal neurobiology and relational attunement- why is it important? therapeutic use of self in stabilizing arousal and supporting sensory processing issueshow trauma impacts postural controlWith so much established evidence about treating trauma through the body, Kim talks about some intervention strategies for the postural and movement system that facilitates change in the emotional responses to traumaKim is a master storyteller and shares another wonderful listen in! To find out more information about Kim's work, her company "Relationship Matters" and her training opportunities please see her website - kimbarthel.caand so
When I thought about starting this podcast Michael was at the top of my list of people to speak with. I thoroughly enjoyed his book, "The Spaces Between Us." Reading it from a Polyagal lens I could not help but make many connections......I hope you do too!Please enjoy this incredibly interesting discussion with Micheal Graziano, Professor of Neuroscience and Psychology at Princeton University, author of both novels and science books, his most recent book is Rethinking Consciousness.In this episode, you will learn about:Peripersonal neurons processing the space about our body like a layer of bubble wrapMulti-sensory neurons in the motor strip of the brain....what!A subconscious neural system with sophisticated computational processing for visual auditory and tactile stimuli moving toward the body triggering defensive responses to protect it.........what happens if these computations are inaccurate?The vestibular system .... "acts as a glue to bind the senses together- without it- those neurons may not be able to build their properties correctly. You wouldn't know where you are with respect to the world or where objects are with respect to you- the peripersonal mechanism would be crippled." Spatial boundaries and body schema in relation to processing self to the environment.How stress impacts the startle reflex and rethinking the startle as a social messaging system.How our peripersonal space expands to encompass the tools we use....eating utensils, writing implements, hammers........what happens when this system crashes!Evolution of the smileHow our emotions impact the protective bubble about our bodiesThe devastating social impact of Dyspraxia, which is the difficulty coordinating the body in spaceTo find out more about Michael- by Michael-
Please join Extra Lesson Healing Trauma Conference presenters - Mariane Judd, Annette Barone and Joanne McIntyre discuss key themes of the conference.Mariane explores the cases of children who are returning to school after being in lockdown due to the current pandemic and their struggles with self-regulation. We discuss strategies to support families and children with transitioning back to school.More importantly, we reveal some strategies that teachers could implement to facilitate feelings of "safety" and to promote connection in the classroom which will ultimately lead to better emotional regulation, attention and learning.Marianne elaborates on one of her cases of a child with an activated "sympathetic state" and who is struggling with learning at school. She connects his story to a sense of shame and further explores this in regards to EMDR and the importance of relationships in healing.We propose a "multi-layered approach" to effectively work with families.Mariane shares some important research connecting Zinc to the uptake of Oxytocin and the connection to the prevalence of Gut issues in many children with ASD or individuals experiencing anxiety.You will hear about Dr Robert Sapolsky's work and his book...."Why Zebras don't get Ulcers" covering the biology of stress. His documentary " Stress, Portrait of a Killer"  is so interesting and highly recommended (I love this guys work by the way!)Parents can often feel alone and criticized for their children's behaviour, Mariane and Annette explore our role as practitioners in providing support and a safe space.We have a wonderful discussion about the power of using the body via movement to support the nervous systems of those who have experienced trauma. The work of Dr Bruce Perry and Dr Bessel van der Kolk, both leading thinkers in the trauma world, also speak to the importance of such rhythmical motor patterns. Learn about the concept of "Child Study" and what that could possibly bring to education as a whole.Of course, we also discuss the Polyvagal Theory applications in therapy!Please see the link for the  Extra Lesson Conference 2020: Healing Trauma The video link for this podcast in its entirety is available at Episode 10Your comments and feedback are welcome at
Today it is my great pleasure to be speaking with Kim Barthel, Occupational Therapist, from Canada. Kim is a much-loved teacher, speaker and mentor to many. Kim has a gift for connecting diverse ideas, neuroscience and people in the service of supporting resiliency and health worldwide. Kim weaves the neurobiology of interpersonal relationships with sensory-motor neural systems to widen our understanding of the human spirit and healing. Kim has extensive experience working with individuals and communities across multiple settings such as First Nations People, children and adults who have experienced trauma, children on the autism spectrum and with sensory processing difficulties. She has worked with people who have experienced natural disasters, who live in war zones, and refugee camps. In this interview, Kim shares her knowledge of the brain-body connection in helping people with trauma. That, when we are in a defensive state the access to our cortex, the “thinking” brain for self-talk, reasoning and listening, is inhibited or offline impacting impulsive or reactive responses but also impacting the ability to learn. Something many kids may be struggling with right now with schooling shifting to online platforms. Helping loved ones, friends, clients and our society overall, starts with working on ourselves. Porges speaks about Neuroception, the subconscious cues of safety we send and receive. The micro-movements in body language, facial gesture and vocal inflection all indicate what state our nervous system is in…..parasympathetic-calm or sympathetic- activated. Each Nervous system impacts each other. Kim explains that creating change starts with ourselves.Please listen for more about"Cues of Safety- Safety as "Body felt"Relationships and resilienceHealing by givingSSP as a body approachSteps in healingFor more information about Kim  and to learn about speaking engagements and workshops please see her website see Kim's Book- "Conversations with a Rattlesnake" - The BookCan be purchased through her website as well as other popular carriersAs powerful advocates for mental health, NHL legend Theo Fleury and world-renowned therapist Kim Barthel team up in the national best-seller Conversations with a Rattlesnake. The book is a raw and honest conversation, loaded with personal insights and cutting-edge information regarding healing from trauma and abuse.Fleury calls Barthel the “Wayne Gretzky of therapy”, and within their emotionally-safe relationship, he bares his soul so that others can learn from his mistakes, triumphs and new learning. Fleury’s story will inspire not only those overcoming their own trauma, but friends, parents, teachers, coaches, therapists, and health practitioners-anyone who is in the critical position of supporting someone who needs to share their own story.Co-author Kim Barthel, provides an in-depth explanation of early childhood attachment and addiction that tie into the reasoning behind our behaviours, and the science of how our brains work. Barthel explains how understanding groundbreaking scientific and psychological research can eliminate the unnecessary and damaging shame that so often accompanies abuse and trauma. Her dialogue with Fleury illuminates self-awareness, mindfulness and the power of relationships.Fleury’s life experiences and Barthel’s informed interpretation combine to provide a unique look at the healing process that is easy to read, entertaining and transformation
I know it has been a bit of a gap since my last podcast release. There is so much in the media right now around COVID 19 I wanted to wait and really think about how to be apart of this space right now. I wanted my voice to remain directed at my goals of sharing information about the Polyvagal Theory, SSP, related topics about wellness and neuroscience. All this information helps us better understand our own biobehavioural states, how to build self-awareness and vagal regulation. Being in a ventral vagal state resonates outward influencing the physiological state of others about you.Please enjoy my interview with a good friend and colleague, and probably the most experienced SSP practitioner there is,  Doreen Hunt. Doreen is an Occupational Therapist and is the Co-Director of  Children's Therapy at Woodinville located in the Seattle area. Doreen was the first practitioner to lead the initial feasibility study when the SSP was first released. Her clinical experience with 100's of clients provided invaluable feedback to Dr Porges and iLs that helped guide SSP implementation in the clinical world.Please listen in to find out about:SSP and improved language processingChanges in SCAN auditory testing scoresHow Doreen, with the help of Dr Porges, brought the knowledge of the SSP to Speech and Audiologists"Safety is Therapy" invaluable guidance from Kim Barthel ( soon to be a guest of the SSP Podcast)"Priming vagal tone"Continued neural integration- how to optimise neuroplasticity by a 12-month approach to implementing the SSPRecommended Books Doreen speaks about-Grounded by Claire Wilson your Vagus Nerve by Dr Navaz Habib is the link to the Launch of the Extra Lesson Healing Trauma Conference 2020.  The theme of the conference is Healing Trauma - explores the importance of attachment and respectful relationships in nurturing a foundation of resilience across the lifespan.This conference aims to bring an awareness and understanding of the neurobiology of behaviour and social engagement. This understanding can be applied to trauma, autism, learning difficulties, oppositional and other maladaptive type behaviours, and sensory processing difficulties. This conference is relevant for everyone who is interested in child development and concerned with supporting anyone who has experienced disruption during their lifetime. This includes individuals, parents, teachers, psychologists, occupational therapists, medical practitioners, social workers, mental health practitioners, disability workers and communities who care about understanding others. The speakers and presenters are: Kim Barthel - Occupational Therapist; Sensory Integration Specialist (Canada). Professor Dennis Foley - Professor of Entrepreneurship at the University of Canberra. Dr Bronwen Haralambous - University Lecturer in Steiner Education. Joanne McIntyre - MS (Psych), Occupational Therapist and PhD Candidate. Mary Willow - RN, Waldorf Teacher and Parent Educator (NZ). Lut Hermans - Sculpture Therapist and Extra Lesson Practitioner. Dr Mariane Judd - Educational and Behavioural Psychologist. Online webinars will commence on Friday 1 May to Tuesday 30 June 2020 (incl) to provide participants sufficient time to enjoy and digest the rich array of presentations.We warmly invite your registration at
In today's episode Joanne interviews Dr Mariane Judd, a developmental psychologist from Canberra, Australia. Mariane reveals her approach which includes Extra Lesson, EMDR, LENS neurofeedback, iLs Focus and Pro as well as the Safe and Sound Protocol. With more than 30 years of experience as a practitioner, lecturing internationally and developing postgraduate learning, Mariane offers her wisdom in working with a broad range of clients.For information and registration for the Healing Trauma Conference, hosted by The Extra Lesson Institute, to be held in Sydney from April 14-18 2020, please see the following link- is a registered Educational and Developmental Psychologist. Her career started in Early Childhood Education, then moved into working with children with learning and behaviour difficulties and has expanded into counselling of all age groups. Mariane is an international lecturer and one of the directors of the Extra Lesson Institute (TELI), which organisers the Extra Lesson training course at a post-graduate level. Extra Lesson is a neuro-developmental approach to therapy for children and adolescents.Mariane was a founding member of the company that introduced the ILs sound therapy into Australia.  Alongside Extra Lesson she uses ILs sound therapy and ILs products in her therapy centre, plus LENS Neurofeedback.Mariane has also developed her counselling skills to includes EMDR and uses a Polyvagal framework to provide counselling to clients who experience anxiety, have experienced adverse events or trauma in their lives
In this episode, Joanne interviews Deb Dana.  Deb has a wonderful capacity to break down complex concepts and create a language that facilitates clinical application. Through her books and workshops, Deb teaches how to embody the Polyvagal Principles in therapeutic activities to create an environment of safety,  and to promote self-awareness. She is able to provide a framework for the "Safe" within the "Safe and Sound Protocol." Introducing Deb:Deb Dana, LCSW is a clinician and consultant specializing in working with complex trauma and is a consultant to the Traumatic Stress Research Consortium in the Kinsey Institute.  She developed the Rhythm of Regulation Clinical Training Series and lectures internationally on ways Polyvagal Theory informs work with trauma survivors.  Deb is the author of The Polyvagal Theory in Therapy: Engaging the Rhythm of Regulation, Polyvagal Exercises for Safety and Connection, creator of the Polyvagal Flip Chart, and co-edited, with Stephen Porges, Clinical Applications of the Polyvagal Theory: The Emergence of Polyvagal-Informed Therapies. Exciting News!Remember to listen out for my daily podcast in May while attending Deb's "Rhythms of Regulation" 5-day Workshop in Mooloolaba, Queensland Australia. Deb is giving two five- day workshops in Australia sponsored by Internal Family Systems Australia.If you wish to learn more about the Safe and Sound Protocol please visit for Australia and New Zealand - and for North America and the rest of the world - interview will also be available on Youtube.We welcome your feedback and questions at
In part two, Joanne interviews the originator of the Polyvagal Theory and inventor of the Safe and Sound Protocol - Dr Stephen Porges. Link to Dr Porges website to learn about the Polyvagal Theory and related research.In this episode, Dr Porges discusses trauma and how the Safe and Sound Protocol can be blended with other therapies to support state stabilization and regulation. He discusses the need to look beyond the confines of "medical" diagnoses to challenges within the Integrated Social Engagement System. He discusses the universality of the SSP and how it will be used in the future, including with various animals. He discusses his own research and new discoveries based upon the Polyvagal theory. He finishes by telling us of his vision forward and his sense of satisfaction in being able to positively impact so many lives. I would love to hear your feedback, please post comments or thoughts. The interviews for Part 1 & 2 will be on Youtube soon.If you wish to learn more about the Safe and Sound Protocol please visit for Australia and New Zealand - and for North America and the rest of the world -
In part one, Joanne interviews the originator of the Polyvagal Theory and inventor of the Safe and Sound Protocol - Dr Stephen Porges. Link to Dr Porges website to learn about Polyvagal Theory and related research.He discusses how he came to develop the Polyvagal Theory based upon his scientific inquisitiveness from being a 12-year-old clarinet student to his university studies and research in the psychophysiology of human interaction. He reviews the essential link between the heart and brain via the Vagus nerve and the resultant expression of physiological state through facial expression. He discusses how the Safe and Sound Protocol is able to operate by "stealth" in changing the function of the Middle Ear Muscles to improve auditory hypersensitivity and social engagement. He discusses the progression and changes that were made in implementation from working originally with autistic children to adults with trauma. If you wish to learn more about the Safe and Sound Protocol please visit for Australia and New Zealand - and for North America and the rest of the world - welcome your feedback and questions at
Short promo for Episode 2 - an interview with Facebook group Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP) - Parent Info. Forum creator Kimberly Grace
Episode 2 is an interview with the creator of the Facebook Group - Safe and Sound Protocol (SSP) - Parent Info. Forum. Hear Kimberly's experience of SSP with her own family and how she came to start the Facebook group for parents, which now has over 4500 members.
An interview with Irena Woodward, Occupational Therapist and Director of Family Connections, Bangor [Sydney] NSW. Irena expands upon her Occupational Therapy practice and her influences regarding treatment, including the SSP and iLs Focus. She details her experiences with different individuals and their positive responses.Family ConnectionsPaediatric Occupational Therapy Practice  56 Billa Rd, Bangor NSW 2234Sensory Integration · Interactive Metronome · Integrated Listening System (iLs)Safe & Sound Protocol (SSP) by Stephen PorgesPh: 02 9543
An introduction to the Safe and Sound Podcast series. An interview of Joanne McIntyre, the host, by John Holmes.
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