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Talking About Clothes with Holly Chayes is a seasonal podcast, where I talk about clothes with people who wear them. Regardless of how fashionable or stylish we think we are (or are not), we all wear clothes. In this podcast, we explore the depths of some of the most intimate times in our lives without shame or guilt. Each season focuses on a theme, where guests share their personal perspective on that particular topic.
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In this conversation I’m speaking with Lolita, who helps people and teams live and act with more deliberate intention.  Our conversation covers: Finding a routine, intentional dressing and putting the effort into dressing for yourself. Having fun and making a statement with your clothes. Remaking clothes and how changing your lens on your life changes your lens on what you wear. Find the full season at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast5
In this conversation I’m speaking with Janae, a co-host of the So Called Oreos podcast, who has been using this time as a chance to reset and more purposefully bring her values into her wardrobe.  Our conversation covers: Personal transformation and the personal style changes that come with it. Using Covid as a chance to reboot. Embracing clothes that make you feel powerful and remind you of the power you already have. Find the full season at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast5
In this conversation I’m speaking with Elizabeth, a writer, who spends a lot of her time traveling and dealing with the wardrobe challenges that come with having your wardrobe scattered between countries.  Our conversation covers: The joy of dressing as you wish. Living life more intentionally. Starting to think about your clothes more than ever before. Find the full season at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast5
In this conversation I’m speaking with Dawn, a former teacher who transitioned into the tech industry, and living in Rhode Island.  Our conversation covers: Consciously working on your style. The importance of routine, and embracing different clothes for different phases of your life. The process of learning that style, clothing and confidence are indeed learnable, just like everything else. Find the full season at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast5
In this conversation I’m speaking with Courtney, a self-care coach located in New York City, and the host of the More Tarot, Please podcast.   Our conversation covers: Finding confidence with and without makeup. Using the time in quarantine to connect to yourself. Wanting a capsule wardrobe and trying to create one. Being inspired by your grandmother’s style (because they are the best style icons). Find the full season at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast5
In this conversation I’m speaking with Ellen, a health and wellness coach who, pre-Covid, was working primarily in person.   Our conversation covers  Having a capsule or minimalist wardrobe and finding a “uniform” that works for you. Combating decision fatigue and moving away from having a completely overwhelming wardrobe Plus aspiration versus reality. Capsule wardrobes aren’t always picture perfect.  Just a heads up, this conversation contains some adult language, so if you’re sensitive to that or listening with children, you may want to skip or preview this episode. Find the full season at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast5
In this season of the podcast, we’re having conversations about changes in our wardrobes and lives. These conversations took place at the end of July and beginning of August 2020.  In this season, we talk about: Taking the time and effort to investigate your own style and preferences How stark the difference can be between our aspirations and our reality, even when we achieve the transformation we’ve been desiring And after all the time and effort how sweet the rewards that come along with being courageous enough to change your style are.  Keep an eye out for full episodes dropping at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast5  Talk to you then.
In this conversation we talk about identity crises, buying second hand, and high end bargain hunting, the masks we can put on when we choose our clothing, looking good versus feeling good in your clothes, and noticing how other people respond to how you dress.  Find more at https://www.whowearswho.com/podcast4/
In this conversation we talk about loving shopping, shopping as part of your weekly routine and a way to carve out time for yourself, the power in having the items in your closet that you know you always get compliments on and the feeling of endless possibilities that come with new items. Plus there is a ton of fantastic sisterly banter.  Find more at https://www.whowearswho.com/podcast4/
In this conversation we talk about appreciating garments without feeling the need to obtain them, developing your own POV and your own style, online shopping and how to solve the issue of finding clothes that fit online, and the understanding that if a piece of clothing you’ve had your eye on is gone, something else will come along. Find more at https://www.whowearswho.com/podcast4/
In this conversation we talk about  impulse buys, investment pieces, and trends, not buying yourself clothes and then having nothing to wear when you need it, finding the balance between professional and personal in your wardrobe, and giving yourself a pause to cut down on impulse purchases.  Find more at https://www.whowearswho.com/podcast4/
In this conversation we cover optimistic purchases, the trouble with not knowing what you don’t know, splitting your shopping between majority thrifting and minority high end, and the contrasting experiences between shopping in high end shops and thrifting.  Find more at https://www.whowearswho.com/podcast4/
In this conversation we talk about changing your shopping mindset and how that influences your shopping experience, trying on anything that catches your eye, rather than pre-judging things (it caught your eye for a reason), going with shops and designers who design intentionally for larger sizes, and the pros and cons being picky when it comes to your clothing choices. Find more at https://www.whowearswho.com/podcast4/
In this conversation we talk about keeping quality items regardless of trends, and also going about trying to find those quality clothes and then sticking to what works. Plus the frustration of shopping and not being able to find what you’re looking for, and how big life transitions and body changes affect the experience of shopping. Find more at https://www.whowearswho.com/podcast4/
In this season we're having conversations about shopping in the Pre-Covid-19 version of normality. These conversations took place between the tail end of 2019 and the first months of 2020. We talk about: loving shopping, hating shopping, dreading shopping, and embracing shopping. shopping seasonally, cyclically, weekly, and hardly ever at all bargain hunting, but also the fact that clothing requires resources – of fabric, materials, and labor – and resources cost money, regardless of if we pay the full price. Plus personal stories, tons of laughs, and so much more. Keep an eye out for full seasons dropping at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast4
This is the final episode of season three of Talking About Clothes. In it, I talk about how the hardest part of this whole year-long project was showing up everyday and doing the thing I showed up to do. And also, how after a transformative year (which this year of The Self-Made Wardrobe Project certainly was), there’s no going back to the way things were before. That year changed how I related to my clothes in fundamental ways. Thank you for revisiting this project with me, now I hope you’ll take some time to explore these remarkable Black creators and thinkers working in clothing-related fields. Because Black lives matter. And these creators are doing incredible things. In Style, Handmade Style & Sewing Brittany Diego is a celebrity stylist and fashion consultant. She also hosts the Fashion School Dropout Podcast. Website: https://www.brittanytdiego.com/ Instagram: @brittanydiego Podcast: Fashion School Dropout Stephanie Thomas, the founder and CEO of Cur8able, is a disability fashion stylist, speaker, and consultant. Website: https://cur8able.com/ Podcast: Cur8able the Podcast Instagram: @disabilityfashionstylist Jasika Nicole, is an actress and also makes her entire wardrobe. Website: http://jasikanicole.com/ Instagram: @jasikaistrycurious Marcy Harriell, as she says in her IG bio, is an actor, singer, sewist, and merrymaker. Website: http://www.oonaballoona.com/ Instagram: @marcyharriell Black Girls Sew™ is “committed to making an impact on the lives of women and youth through education in sewing, design and entrepreneurship.” Instagram: @blackgirlssew In Clothing Sustainability Dominique Drakeford, Founder of MelaninASS, and Co-Founder of Sustainable Brooklyn. In her own words, she “work[s] at the intersections of sustainability and style to heal our relationship to the Earth and spark equitable change for economic wellbeing.” Website: https://www.dominiquedrakeford.com/ Instagram: @dominiquedrakeford Aja Barber is a a writer and fashion consultant focusing on race, intersectional feminism, and fashion. Instagram: @ajabarber Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/AjaBarber In Fashion & History Cheyney McKnight, founder and owner of Not Your Momma’s History, is a Historical Interpreter and Living Historian. Website: http://www.notyourmommashistory.com/ Youtube: NotYourMommasHistory Instagram: @NotYourMommasHistory Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/NotYourMommasHistory Dandy Wellington is a bandleader, entertainer, event producer, and creative consultant. #VintageStyleNOTVintageValues Website: https://www.dandywellington.com/ Youtube: Dandy Wellington Instagram: @dandywellington Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/dandywellington Additionally: Anti-Racism Training, Resources & People to Follow "Undoing Racism" by The People’s Institute for Survival and Beyond “Race Demystified" by Milagros Phillips Rachel Elizabeth Cargle a public academic, writer, and lecturer. Website: https://www.rachelcargle.com/ Twitter: @rachelcargle Instagram: @rachel.cargle Layla F. Saad is an "author, speaker & teacher on the topics of race, identity, leadership, personal transformation & social change." Website: http://laylafsaad.com/ Instagram: @laylafsaad The Conscious Kid: "Parenting and Education through a Critical Race Lens" Instagram: @theconsciouskid Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/theconsciouskid Nupol Kiazolu, President Black Lives Matter Greater NY and Founder/CEO of Vote 2000. Instagram: @nupol_justice Twitter: @nupol_justice A document with dozens of additional resources. This document was compiled by Sarah Sophie Flicker & Alyssa Klein in May 2020: bit.ly/ANTIRACISMRESOURCES     Learn more at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast3
One of the things that I wore pretty much every single day prior to doing this self made wardrobe project was jeans. But at the beginning of this project, when I was building up the number of garments that I had access to (within the parameters of this year long wardrobe project), I focused a lot on wearing and making fast, simple, easy garments - skirts, tops, simple sweaters, etc.  And so I went months without wearing jeans, which, if you'd asked me prior to this project, if that were possible, I would have said no. But it turns out it was entirely possible. Regardless of what I had previously assumed. Learn more at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast3
I know I'm not the only one who makes snap judgments about my clothes. Especially when I first try a garment on that's not my usual cut or silhouette or style. That's what happened with one of the dresses I knit for this self made wardrobe project. It was a one piece hand knit, A-line, very colorful mini dress that was neither my normal colors, nor my normal silhouette nor my normal style, but ended up being one of the pieces that I love the most in this wardrobe and wore quite often and still wear today. So I guess one of the lessons from this dress is to not jump to conclusions about garments before you wear them a couple times. It's easy to forget that our bodies have preferences about what they wear. And often, so not always, those preferences are merely because that's what our bodies are familiar with. It's sort of like if you start working out your body is going to have opinions on it. And the same is true for whatever garment you're talking about. It doesn't have to be high waisted jeans or period corsets or turn of the 20th century undergarments, it's true for anything. If you're not used to wearing a suit, your body is going to take a while to get used to wearing a suit. If you're not used to wearing lounge-wear, your body's going to take a while to get used to wearing lounge-wear. So I think that when something's new, and it has to do with our physically feeling weird in the clothing and you want to play around with the style, maybe give it a couple tries, and see if you get used to it. Learn more at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast3
Like with food, a really good high quality fabric is going to give you incredible results even if your skill level isn't that of master chef or a master couturier. However, you can also make not so good materials work, it just requires a lot more finesse or experiences. This robe is one that I get compliments on every single time I wear it. There are little tiny metallic threads running through it but they're just enough to be interesting and not so much that it becomes gaudy. There are these little novelty squares of plush fabric, glued on to the the chiffon. And it's so sweat inducing because the fabric 100% polyester, (which means that's 100% plastic). But if the breeze picks it up just right, it floats and flutters behind you and looks marvelous. And I'm always astonished when I remember that, this was an impulse fabric purchase that I put together into a robe on a whim and wore about 30 times throughout the course of the year. Learn more at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast3
I'm pretty sure if I had had all of the time in the world, I wouldn't have come up with this dress solution. There's something about a deadline that clarifies exactly what the parameters of the project are, and forces you to meet those requirements. That forces you to meet those requirements, but doesn't allow you to follow any extraneous rabbit holes. There were no "nice to have" details on this dress. The slip was very simple and very straightforward. But it did the job. And I'm not sure I could have asked anything else.   Learn more at WhoWearsWho.com/podcast3
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