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D.O. or Do Not: The Osteopathic Physician's Journey for Premed & Medical Students

Author: Ian Storch & Tianyu She

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Interviews with Osteopathic physicians on how their trials and tribulations got them to where they are! Geared towards osteopathic students but also for all healthcare students, pre-medical students, practicing physicians as well as anyone else interested in medicine. Team: Amir Khiabani, Courtney Merlo, Asiyah Rahman, Tiffany Carlson, Celine Tran, Madli Vahtra, Nick Buskill, Heidi Dreher, Thomas Jasionowski
57 Episodes



Osteopathic Medicine is a distinct pathway for training physicians in the United States.  There are currently 34 Schools which have trained more than 145,000 practicing physicians.  Osteopathic medicine has a holistic approach at it's core and has historically been geared to training primary care physicians.  Learn who we are, why we're doing this, and what this podcast is about! Hosted and produced by Ian Storch D.O. and Tianyu She OMS IIISend all inquiries, comments, suggestions to
In the first episode, we delve into the career path of Dr. Ian Storch, an accomplished Gastroenterologist and founder of this series. Tune in to discover how he overcame numerous obstacles throughout his professional career as well as invaluable advice regarding how he achieved his career goals. 
Dr. Matt Nelson is an emergency medicine physician who received his doctor of osteopathy from NYITCOM in 2001 and trained in Emergency Medicine at North shore university hospital in Manhasset. He was selected as chief resident in his final year and subsequently completed a fellowship in Emergency ultrasound.  In addition to his numerous publications, he became program director of the prestigious emergency medicine residency at northshore/LIJ- Zucker school of medicine in 2014. As program director, Dr. Nelson has selected and trained hundreds of EM physicians, both DO and MD over his career.  By reputation, both medical students and residents feel that their love of emergency medicine was fostered by Dr. Nelson and feel that their training would not be complete if he was not there to guide them in their training. Today, Dr. Nelson will not only shed light on his personal path to success, but he will also give insight to what a residency looks for, particularly for osteopathic students, especially with the new changes recently instated by the NBME and USMLE.
Welcome to our third episode. We hope that you are safe with your family during these challenging times. Our podcast will continue to give you high quality interviews with relevant information from the safety of our homes. For our interview, we have Dr. Adena Leder, a board certified neurologist with fellowship training in movement disorders. Dr. Leder graduated from NYIT College of Osteopathic Medicine in 1999 and completed her neurology residency at Long Island Jewish Medical Center and Montefiore Medical Center. She moved on to finish her movement disorder fellowship at Beth Israel Medical Center in 2004 and practiced clinical neurology for 10 years before joining NYITCOM.
On today’s episode of do or do not, we will be talking with Dr. David Galinkin. Dr. Galinkin is an infectious disease expert that graduated from NYITCOM in 1998, did his residency at north shore manhasset, and completed his ID fellowship at memorial sloan kettering cancer center. Today, he will take us through his journey in medicine and give us his thoughts on the COVID-19 situation. 
Approach it with a good attitude, defined as: working with diligence and a smileunderstand that the patient is always watchingDr. David Elkowitz comes from a line of physicians, with his father being one of the founders of NYITcom.  He trained as a pathologist and found early on in his career that he had passion and skill for teaching students.   For years he was a professor at NYITcom and was ultimately recruited by the progressive Zucker school of medicine at Hofstra Univeristy. Zucker is an MD institution where he now holds the title of associate dean.  Dr. Elkowitz wins teaching awards almost yearly and has inspired and mentored thousands of students over the years. 
This is our first episode in our new resident series. On this episode we will be talking with Dr. Ryan Moncman a neurosurgical resident at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. 
This is our second episode in our new resident series. On this episode we will be talking with Dr. Matthew Rosenzweig, an incoming abdominal transplant fellow at Baylor University Medical Center in Texas.
Dr. Colleen McCally graduated from the New York College of Osteopathic Medicine in 2006 and went on to specialize in anesthesiology. She competed her residency at St. Luke’s Roosevelt Columbia hospital and her fellowship at NY school of regional anesthesia. In addition to practicing clinical anesthesiology, she is also the assistant director of East Shore Ambulatory Surgical Center.On this episode, we will discuss her career success and her fulfilling work life balance.
Dr. Jason Golbin is system chief quality officer and senior vice president of the Catholic health services of Long Island. Not only does Dr. Golbin oversee thousands of executive decisions, he is also board certified in internal medicine, pulmonary, sleep, critical care, as well as neuro-critical care. He obtained his degree from NYITCOM. He completed his internal medicine residency at Lenox hill, and went on to finish his fellowship at the prestigious Mayo Clinic. We hope that his interview will give you insight on what its like in medical administration. 
Dr. Mirtha Macri is an emergency medicine physician in the new Netflix hit series "Lenox Hill". She graduated from NYITCOM in 2008 and subsequently completed her residency at St. Lukes hospital now Mt. Sinai West. Dr. Macri will discuss important attributes needed for an emergency medicine physician, insight and tips into the residency process, her perspective on an osteopathic education and her dedication to helping the under-served. 
Usually we interview physicians but on this episode we made an exception. We hope that this interview can provide insight for pre-medical students hoping to apply to osteopathic medical school. Janette Martin serves as Director of Admissions at the Idaho College of Osteopathic Medicine. She came to Idaho from Tennessee where she worked as the Director of Admissions with an Osteopathic Medical school for over nine years. “We love having Janette at ICOM! I enjoy seeing her smiling face every time I see her on campus. I know I can always count on Janette to support me through medical school as well as be the energy I need on my toughest days” said ICOM Student Doctor Dreher. Janette is a very valuable member of the ICOM team. She is hardworking and dedicated to finding students with the perfect fit for ICOM as well as the best candidates for future DOs.
Welcome to our 12th episode. Today we have Dr. Tara  Liberman. Dr.  Liberman specializes in geriatric and palliative medicine. She graduated from NYITCOM in 2001 and completed both her residency and fellowship at North shore Manhasset. Dr.  Liberman is an assistant professor at the Zucker school of medicine and currently serves as the Associate Chief of Geriatric and Palliative Medicine overseeing both inpatient and outpatient clinical services. Dr.  Liberman has won multiple awards for her dedication to her field and compassion with patients, providing an approach that improves quality of life for them and their families when facing problems associated with life-threatening illness, through prevention and relief of suffering.. We hope you enjoy this episode. 
Please note we are not offering any individual financial advice in this episode, and if you have questions you should seek the help of a financial advisor.In Part I of this episode, Dr. Ian Storch D.O., has agreed to answer personal financial questions and share with us the decisions which he made during his Physician’s Journey. These choices, right or wrong, will be laid out as the basis for further discussion and analysis.In Part II of the episode, Dr. Storch will talk with Dr. James Dahle M.D.. Dr. Dahle is the author of the acclaimed book and podcast The White Coat Investor, a "household name" for every medical professional with financial questions.Today's guest is not a D.O., but we think that he has helped osteopathic students, residents, and physicians enough that it warrants an interview.
Currently Dr. Katof has a busy internal medical practice, working with a physician assistant and is employed by a large health care organization.  Dr. Katof practices in a small suburb of New York City and cares for thousands of patients sometimes spanning three generations in one family.  He went to the elite University of Pennsylvania for his undergraduate education, and after evaluating all of his options for medical school attended NYITCOM where he graduated in 1999.  After considering a career in radiology and gastroenterology, Dr. Katof completed his internal medicine residency at North Shore and after residency accepted a position with an established medical practice.  Unhappy with his decision, he proceeded to explore every permutation of internal medical  in a quest to find personal fulfillment and work-life balance.  Although Dr. Katof did not follow a “straight” path, he shares his journey which we know will help future doctors with their own.
"It's not about giving back. It's about paying it forward." Dr. Nichols is a true trailblazer who worked as a family practitioner and became  the first female dean at the Midwestern University Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine where she served for 16 years.  During this time, she was elected president of the American osteopathic association.  When we have interviewed many female physicians on our podcast, Dr. Nichols was again and again identified as their mentor and role model.  In 2015, Dr. Nichols was selected for the Distinguished Service Certificate for her leadership, the highest honor awarded by by the AOA.Despite her modesty, Dr. Nichol’s CV places her as the first DO chair-elect of the Accreditation council for graduate medical education, or ACGME, which since the recent merger, accredits residencies and fellowships programs in the united states for both MD’s and DO’s. As you will quickly see from this interview, Dr. Nichols is an paradigm and inspiration for the osteopathic profession.
Dr. Humayun “Hank” J. Chaudhry is President and Chief Executive Officer of the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB) of the United States. The FSMB is the umbrella agency for all the state medical licensing boards. Dr. Chaudhry, graduated from New York University, NYITCOM, and Harvard School of Public Health. He is board certified in internal medicine and completed his residency training at Winthrop-University Hospital. In addition, he served as health commissioner for Suffolk county and was flight surgeon with the 732nd Airlift Squadron and as the medical operations flight commander.  He is the author of multiple books and textbooks, and was listed by Modern Healthcare magazine as one of the 50 Most Influential Physician Executives and Leaders. We are incredibly lucky to be able to talk and listen to someone who has impacted so many of both patient and student lives. We hope you enjoy this episode. 
On today’s episode we will be speaking with Dr. John Thurman. Dr. Thurman is a family medicine physician who attended medical school at A.T. Still University Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine. and  completed his residency training at the MacNeal Memorial hospital in 2015. Dr. Thurman’s history of leadership, however,  predates his career in medicine. Before he attended medical school, Dr. Thurman  attended West Point, the united states elite military academy. While at  west point  he commanded a company at Buckner, and was on Battalion Staff during the academic year. Dr. Thurman played football in college where he  led the scout team. In 2003 Dr. Thurman was deployed to Kuait and later Iraq.  When Dr. Thurman returned to the US he took a position in admissions at west point where an unfortunate accident although leading to hardship, put him on the path a direct path to become a community leader as a family practitioner in Iowa.  Dr. Thurman speaks on his views of minority physicians, specifically African Americans in medicine and provides insight to help others on their own personal journey.
On this episode of DO or Do not, we interview Dr. Suzanne Steinbaum. Dr. Steinbaum is a board certified cardiologist who has devoted her career, not just to the treatment of heart disease but more importantly to it’s prevention.  Although she has had an  impressive post doctoral training in allopathic institutions, there is no question that her philosophy is  osteopathic.   Dr. Steinbaum was raised in an “osteopathic family” with a father and multiple relatives who were D.O. Physicians.  She is an alumna of Tufts University in Massachusetts and earned her D.O. degree from the A.T. Still University in Kirksville Missouri. She continued on to do internal medicine residency at Beth Israel medical center in New York City and continued as a cardiology fellow and ultimately attending physician.  During her cardiology training she participated in research including multiple landmark trialsDr. Steinbaum is a pioneer in cardiac rehabilitation and has a special interest in heart disease in women.  She currently serves as a spokeswoman for the American Heart Association Go Red for Women Campaign. Dr. Steinbaum has private practice at the Juni-Ash integrative health center   Dr. Steinbaum is author of the book Every Woman's Guide to a Heart-Healthy Life.  Dr. Steinbaum is an inspiration to DO’s and female physicians.  We hope you enjoy the episode.
Today on D.O. or do not we venture slightly “off the path” to try and help medical students applying for residencies in the “new post-graduate education” system.To give some historical background, In the past there were separate residency programs sponsored by the  American Osteopathic Association (DO) and the and American College of Graduate Medical Education (MD).  Graduates of osteopathic medical school could apply for either.  In 2018 the ACGME and AOA merged allowing one residency pathway for MD and DO’s    According to the ACGME the reasons for the merger were to:-provide high quality uniform graduate medical education accreditation-Eliminate the need for programs to choose a pathway-reduce cost and increase efficiencies-provide consistency-allow all us medical graduates (both DO and MD) a uniform graduate education pathway-preserve and protect osteopathic medical education-increase opportunities of osteopathic graduate medical education and recognitionAlthough this merger was meant to simplify the application process and is an exciting step for equality of  the osteopathic profession, for DO student applicants it leaves many new questions. . . To prepare for this episodes,  the staff of DO or do not surveyed DO students to determine what the most common questions were regarding application to residency and the merger.   We decided to split the episode into two parts, interviewing a program director from a program which was previously AOA certified and program director from a historically allopathic residency.In the first part to this episode, we interview Dr. Cindy Hoffman. Dr. Hoffman is a DO and the program director of the Dermatology Residency Program at St. Barnabas Hospital, one of the busiest hospitals in New York City. The program is affiliated with the both Mt. Sinai School of Medicine and Albert Einstein College of Medicine.IN Part II we will speak with Dr. Kyle Katona.  Dr. Katona, is an MD  and the associate program director for the Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell Residency Program in Internal Medicine at Northwell Health University. The residency is a University based program supported by one of the largest health care systems in the United States, Northwell Health.  It is situated on the border between Queens and Nassau County on Long Island New York and cares for a diverse group of patients.
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