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On episode 108 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Madeline Laurano, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss problematic executives, all the functions HR serves, and Tim’s campus recruiting experience! Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:00 - JLee asks the crew what famous movies they haven’t seen that they should see. JLee has never seen The Shining or Princess Bride.  4:20 - JLee mentions the news of a senior Apple executive due to him making a vile joke in a TikTok video. This viral TikTok format asks people how much money they make and what they do for work.  7:15 - Madeline brings up a similar situation in the Boston Celtics coach getting fired for having an affair with one of his co-workers.  11:00 - JLee and Madeline are the cool moms in town! 13:00 - JLee brings up the extra functions that HR often gets assigned to, like party and events planning. She thinks that this could be a failure upon managers and leaders for not taking accountability in something like career growth for their employees.  16:00 - Tim talks about the 3 responsibilities he sees for a people manager: fiscal responsibility, building a well-rounded team, and maintaining and developing that well-rounded team. Then, HR can help support these functions in whatever way they can.   22:30 - Tim asks the question “why would you outsource the most important thing to your company” while talking about RPOs and outsourcing recruiting.  27:00 - Madeline brings up the trauma of the 2021 hiring craze and how this may impact the job security of recruiters. Tim talked about a company that he talked to that re-positioned their recruiters when there was a downturn in their company, so they didn’t have to lay anyone off.  30:30 - JLee mentions that the people who stayed on at Marriott during the pandemic were the “swiss army knives”, the people who were versatile and could fit in anywhere.  31:30 - Madeline asks if people will seek out being a recruiter or if it will be seen as a stepping stone to different jobs. Tim thinks that more colleges and universities will develop programs for recruiters and the importance of recruiters at companies will grow.  34:00 - Anyone want to see a sitcom about Tim’s campus recruiting experience??
On episode 107 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Jessica Lee, Madeline Laurano, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss all things 2022 HR Tech! 1:30 - Tim has recently been on the conference circuit, and he loves the in-person energy! 2:00 - JLee was recently speaking at an event, and she was asked for pictures after her talk. She asks the crew what to do in that situation.  7:30 - Tim and Madeline went back to HR Tech and felt the big energy at the conference. Madeline says the expo was bigger than she’s ever seen 11:45 - Madeline says that the Women In Tech sessions were so packed that they couldn’t let anyone else in!  14:45 - Tim asks JLee what would get her to come to HR Tech on a regular basis. She says that she doesn’t know if she would since she’s so inundated with content and pitches from vendors and it would feel duplicative for her to go to a vendor event.  17:40 - Tim thinks it’s a mistake by vendors to try and influence big VPs and CHROs rather than talking to director and manager levels about their products who are actually in the trenches.  21:45 - Tim and Madeline are really excited by some up-and-coming texting technologies, especially for frontline workers.  25:45 - Madeline calls out some providers who are doing the workaround skills, but she notes that there are some start-ups and ATS’s who are lumped in that maybe shouldn’t be.  29:00 - Tim asks the crew what these HR conferences are missing. JLee thinks that the conferences should provide a deck for attendees to take back to their teams and share what they learned.  34:20 - Can we pick a better place for HR conferences? JLee is sick of Vegas, but Tim and Madeline think it’s hard to host anywhere else because of the size of the conferences.  35:30 - Tim shares a story about the “BFF Happy Hour,” where Kyle Lagunas came in and started the whole party. Tim and Madeline had to play mom and dad in order to keep the event in check.
On episode 106 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano and Tim Sackett with special friend Kyle Lagunas come together to discuss Global TA day, the first people to be laid off in a recession, and why recruiters won’t be laid off as quickly as we think.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:00 - Welcome to the pod, Kyle Lagunas! JLee is a busy gal and is out this week.  3:30 - Tim asks if they go to the grocery store or if they get their food delivered. Kyle likes his time at the market, and Madeline tries to do delivery.  5:00 - Tim has a whole setup for his Global TA Day: prizes, ice cream social, lunch & learns, and more!  7:00 - Tim put up a LinkedIn post leaning into “hustle porn” and ripped on quiet quitters and how he can’t wait to pass them. Kyle says he’s going to rip him to shreds.  9:30 - Business Insider, a pod favorite, put out an article about the first to be laid off in an economic downturn. The categories offered are recent hires, high earners, Millennials,  12:30 - Madeline talks about why she thinks recent hires may not be fired as quickly as they suggest due to the re-skilling turnover.  15:30 - Tim talks about how Ford had a pretty major layoff, but it was for a very specific reason, the emphasis on EVs.  19:00 - Madeline brings up how we’re still writing and talking about Millennials as if they’re kids. Many Millennials are 40 or pushing it.  21:15 - Tim and his oldest son told a guy they were golfing with that, “I didn’t get good until my Dad stopped coaching me.” Tim said it was a dagger to the heart.  23:00 - This list shares that recruiters are the most likely to be laid off. The crew is quite surprised that this is still the case in a world where companies are having a lot of trouble hiring recruiters.  26:00 - Kyle is really worried about the ramifications that something like this list could have. He says that morale is really low in the TA space, and this could force people to leave the profession.  29:00 - Madeline is surprised that there is nothing on this list about the number of hours worked per day. She thinks there is a signifier in the likelihood of being laid off with the number of hours worked per day.  33:00 - Tim thinks one of the hardest things is to plan a workforce, and HR can struggle at interpreting data and inputs to plan accordingly.
On episode 105 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss work spouses, length of service awards, and the best new candle to buy as a gift! Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:00 - Tim’s headed on a summer vacation to the Cayman Islands. Although it’ll be hot, he’ll be by the ocean! 5:00 - JLee loves these candles, and Tim sent a cheeky one to the crew. 7:20 - JLee asks Tim about his 2 work wives. They’ve been working with him for over 10 years and have been through a lot together. She wonders how he has work wives when he’s in charge of the company. 1 0:00 - Madeline said her work relationships have changed since she started her firm. Now, her work wives/husbands are other industry people, not people that work for and with her. 12:30 - Tim talks about someone who he worked for a long time with that left recently and how her leaving was a lot harder than he expected. 15:00 - JLee brings up the topic of “length of service” awards and how people want to be recognized. She asks the crew what we should be doing with these awards. 18:30 - Madeline did research in 2021 if they had received any recognition in that year for their work. She found that only ½ employees received a “thank you” in the first year of the pandemic. 21:30 - Tim likes the “points” system where you give out other recognition gifts and points to people you find doing a good job at the company. 24:00 - JLee notes a study where at their hotels, smaller gestures are more impactful and meaningful than really big events and “wows” that require a lot of time and work. 25:30 - Amazon color-coded their badges to reflect how long they’ve been at the company. JLee says that they got a lot of hate for this, but Tim says that he likes the idea. 30:00 - Tim mentions that when he’s doing recognition with his team, he tries to get them something they would never get for themselves and something that is really high quality. He thinks recognition gifts should be good quality regardless of price point.
On episode 104 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss catalogs, the follow-up to The Great Recession, and Tesla’s latest drama.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:15 - Does anyone still get catalogs? Tim and Madeline still get tons sent to their houses.  4:30 - Tim thinks that a mailer would work well as a recruitment tactic, even better than email or texting.  5:15 - Tim shares a story that he’s going to put in his book! You heard it here first, folks.  8:30 - Tim’s story revolves around a marketing study where they asked a community what the top realtor in their area was. They created a fake realtor, did some marketing, and then re-asked the community who the top realtor is.  10:00 - Studies are showing that a large number of people who left their jobs during The Great Resignation are regretting their decision to leave their previous position. Madeline thinks that these shifts were pay driven and people didn’t take into account other factors.  13:40 - Tim said he had regrets when he left Applebee’s. Although it seemed like the right decision, he felt the repercussion of the decision almost instantly.  20:30 - Tim was at SHRM a few weeks ago and a lot of the discussions had “The Great Recession” in their title.  21:30 - Tesla and Elon Musk are tracking office attendance by following the “office ID swipe ins”. If you can’t come in, employees are supposed to email in a message that they won’t be in office today. Tim thinks this is draconian and feels very similar to calling in sick for your kids at school.  24:45 - Tim says that he’s embarrassed by the amount of people he’s had to fire by “pulling swipes”.  30:00 - JLee hired someone recently that was affected by the Tesla layoffs and the new hire said that the reports of the layoffs are pretty accurate.  33:00 - JLee mentions how often when layoffs are happening, HR professionals are given scripts for legal reasons but there are ways to make it seem more human and empathetic.  36:30 - Madeline was a part of an analyst firm where there were secret talks about layoffs and she felt like they handled it poorly in comparison to JLee’s Marriot example. 
On episode 103 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to summer vacation, whether hiring is slowing down or not, and the type of LinkedIn posts that go viral.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:00 - It’s officially summer! Madeline asks the crew about their OOO response messages. All 3 of them are not users of an OOO message because they’re all workaholics!  4:30 - JLee mentions she’s seen some really clever OOO messages but also some very sparse ones. She wants more info! 7:15 - Tim asks JLee and Madeline what their kids do in the summer. Madeline sends her kids to summer day camp but she used to go to an 8-week overnight camp. JLee’s kids both won camper of the day at their day camp.  9:30 - Madeline brings up a roundtable she did with Tim about an upcoming recession and hiring. She asks the crew what’s going on with hiring practices, specifically tech hiring.  13:00 - Madeline mentions that the layoffs happening seem to mostly be due to routine business practices and actions rather than preparing for a potential economic downturn.  17:20 - Madeline notes that a lot of the conversation about layoffs and the recession are being driven by emotional LinkedIn posts that are going viral. She thinks it’s become a “Dear Diary” type of platform for long, emotional posts.  20:00 - Shout out to Madison Butler who Tim thinks does social media better than anybody in the recruiting/HR space. She has her format down! 23:30 - JLee was visiting Seattle and she saw a homeless person with their dog. She wanted to help and get them some food and the person gave really intense directions. It’s a perfect LinkedIn story! 28:00 - Tim says that another LinkedIn hack is to post original video. Share those videos people! 29:45 - Tim raises a competition with the rest of the crew: they have to try and hack LinkedIn and post an emotional story and get the most engagement.
On episode 102 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss hiring reality TV stars, ghosting of new hires, and if ghosting in the dating world is seeping into the work world.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:30 - JLee asks the crew what they’ve been watching recently. Madeline tried watching Ozark again because she wasn’t into it the first time. 3:15 - Now for the trash TV! Madeline and JLee are watching The Ultimatum and are loving it.  7:45 - JLee is really curious about who the people on reality TV shows do in their real lives. She asks the crew if being on a reality show disqualifies them from being hired for a job.  11:30 - Tim is concerned about retention because he assumes this type of person is just waiting for the next big show to come around.  15:00 - Tim mentions that this is similar to star college athletes that may not be good enough to go pro. He says that those who stay local may have that past celebrity status.  16:45 - JLee found an article in The Wall Street Journal about the rise of ghosting with new hires. Madeline mentions that she thinks we’re going to see this for a bit longer but may pass when or if a recession hits.  21:30 - Tim got killed on Twitter for talking about the importance of a 2 week notice. He says that ghosting your employer will follow you.  25:00 - Tim demoed a new preboarding software that gives a buddy to a new hire to hopefully retain the new employees at your organization.  28:00 - Madeline wonders if mental health is playing a factor with new hires not showing up for onboarding especially with the heightened struggles of the last 2 years.  32:00 - The article discusses how a younger generation is used to ghosting in the dating world and it could be seeping into the work world. JLee wonders if they’re grasping with this extrapolation. 
On episode 101 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss paper straws, female breadwinners, and how people react when a husband cooks more for his family than his wife. Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! :30- Starting off hot with Tim taking a stance against paper straws. He hates them and the crew agrees.  2:00 - Tim did some research to back up his anti-paper straw stance. He found out that 330 million plastic straws are used in the US everyday.  4:20 - Madeline mentions Tom Brady’s crazy tirade on straws a few hours ago. She says you can see Gisele’s influence . 8:00 - Tim’s wife thinks the best straws are McDonald’s. JLee loves Wendy’s and the wide bubble tea straws.  10:30 - The BBC came out with a study about the woman in a relationship being the breadwinner. The study found that women who are the breadwinner actually do more housework.  13:45 - Madeline says that when her kids were babies, she wanted to do all the baby things and it’s translated to more when her kids have gotten older.  16:00 - JLee wonders if this is self-imposed. She thinks that if a woman is in a high-stress, important job that they may have the personality traits of someone who may want things done a certain way in the household.  20:30 - Another piece of this study showed that 30% of females are the breadwinner of their household. This is a number that will continue to grow. He asks if there will ever be a time where men start to do the majority of the housework. 24:30 - Tim mentions that he comes from a family of cooks and he cooked more in the house. He said her family were beside themselves that Tim cooked for the family and his wife didn’t alway have to do it. 27:15 -  JLee mentioned parts of the article that discuss a conversion in a couple where a woman makes more than her male partner. She talks about her own experience with that conversation.  30:20 - Tim talks about how society is going to have to get used to stay-at-home Dads and women being the main earners for their families. 
On episode 100 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Kris Dunn, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together for their 100th episode! They discuss what they remember, what they struggled with and what they loved in doing 100 episodes of HR Famous together! Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:45 - KD couldn’t stay away! He’s back for the extra special 100th episode.  5:00 - Many of the HR Famous episodes are about the differences of life during the pandemic. Tim talked about the difference of COVID caution between going to a college basketball game and a Broadway show. 8:30 - JLee just said that her daughter is now going to elementary school (for the first time) without a mask!  10:45 - Tim asks the crew what they’ve learned doing 100 podcast episodes. JLee said that she’s learned to have an opinion and it’s helped her in her career development. On the flip side, she’s learned how to see both sides of an issue.  12:45 - KD asks Tim and JLee if they made any changes to how they speak after the first episodes. JLee said she tries to start fewer sentences with “well” or “so”. KD tried to be crisper with his speaking cadence.  16:30 - KD says the text group should be a podcast. Release the messages! 18:30 - Is KD the most guarded on the podcast? Tim says so and JLee thinks that could be true. Tim says it’s his political savviness that leads this.  20:00 - Any other flat pillow lovers? JLee is a flat pillow person. KD likes a fluffy pillow you can sink into.  22:30 - JLee asks the crew what episode they thought was interesting and offered a different perspective. JLee’s answer is Episode 79 - Why Are Males Increasingly Opting Out Of College.  25:00 - Tim and KD are still bitter that Gary V requested to connect with JLee on LinkedIn instead of them. JLee is still pining for him to come on the pod! 28:00 - Episode 66 - Geriatric Millennials and HR Influencer Lists is still a point of contention! 31:00 - Tim asks the question “who did you learn the most from?”. Tim says KD because he always thinks he knows what he’s going to say but he comes in with different takes often.   
On episode 99 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Madeline Laurano, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss our new co-host, mailing lists, and periods in the workplace! Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 2:00 - We have a new co-host! We’re excited to welcome Madeline Laurano to the HR Famous family.  4:15 - Madeline is an analyst on TA and HR tech. She’s been in the game for 20 years and started her firm, Aptitude Research 7 years ago.  6:20 - Any remember of the days of blogger vs. analyst? The good ole days.  9:30 - JLee gets upset when she makes a “new friend” and then all of a sudden, she’s on their mailing list.  10:30 - JLee asks the crew if they check who unsubscribes from their mailing list. Madeline gets an email every time someone removes themselves from her mailing list.  14:30 - The lost episode is unfortunately lost for good :(  16:00 - JLee references the lost episode which was centered around an older man writing into a help column asking what to do when their younger female co-workers talk about their periods in the workplace.  19:00 - JLee’s first reaction to the period PTO is that women are more productive so they’ll make up for their time off but then, she started to think about women being treated differently and other logistical issues.  20:30 - Madeline mentions a company in Sweden that asked their female employees to track their menstrual cycle in an Excel spreadsheet.  24:30 - JLee found a Wikipedia page for menstrual leave.  27:30 - Tim mentions how a lot of these benefits stem from paid family leave and how other countries are really passing the US with their family leave benefits.  28:45 - Madeline ran a study at her firm and they found that only 11% of participants were comfortable talking about childcare at work.  32:00 - Madeline mentions how when she was nursing, she had to pump in a dark utility closet where she had to bring a flashlight in to see.  36:00 - Tim mentions that in his 30 year HR career, he has never had a period-related issue with a high performing female.   
On episode 98 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discussl coffee rules of the office, KD’s new job, and changes to the podcast! Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:30 - KD still isn’t playing Wordle. Quite late to the party still… 3:30 - Dawn Burke sent the crew her husband’s coffee routine. This made Tim wonder when free coffee at work became a thing. He wants free Diet Mountain Dew at work! 6:30 - Tim has some observations as a non-coffee drinker. He observes the dynamics of bad coffee makers vs. good coffee makers.  8:50 - KD recently visited Tim’s home base in Lansing, MI. He thought it was a lot smaller than Tim makes it sound.  11:20 - Big announcement! KD accepted a new job at Marriott, joining JLee! He’s staying in Alabama but visiting Bethesda, MD every couple of weeks.  14:15 - KD says that he didn’t do the LinkedIn post that talks about leaving a company but without giving an update. JLee and Tim hate those posts.  17:30 - In the very first episode of this podcast, KD got hate from JLee for saying Marriott wrong. It’s Marriott, like a chariot.  22:45 - KD has noticed that some partners at Marriott have been eager to come to Birmingham instead of having him go into the DC area. He says he’s fine to travel to them instead of hosting others.  29:00 - Next big announcement of the pod, KD is going to be leaving. JLee and Tim are going to continue on with the mission! He’s leaving but not gone forever.  
On episode 97 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Kris Dunn, Jessica Lee, and Tim Sackett come together to discuss Station Eleven, standing desk etiquette, and the phenomenon of life coaching. Be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:45 - Any Station Eleven fans? Tim feels some kinship because it takes place around his home, the Great Lakes.  5:30 - JLee remembers KD’s commitment to do 100 pull ups a day. He says he doesn’t do them everyday but he can do 120-150 reps. 7:30 - JLee asks a question about work from home etiquette. She was on a call with someone that was at a standing desk. She felt like the person standing was being imposing. 12:30 - Anyone else eat spaghetti on Zoom? JLee does. And tomato soup… 13:00 - Coaching is all the rage. JLee asks why it’s so popular and who the type of person is that becomes a coach. Tim thinks it’s all the boomers that early-retired during the pandemic.  17:00 JLee wonders when a coach is even necessary and if an AI bot would just be a better option to chat.  19:00 - Tim went to a coach once and he just felt like all the coach was doing was agreeing with what he was already thinking and doing.  21:45 - KD wonders what percentage of coaches can actually deliver what someone needs. He thinks only 10-20%.  24:45 - JLee wonders why people want to separate the pay conversation from a performance review. Tim agrees and doesn’t understand it either.  28:00 - Tim’s first pay increase in a corporate environment was 3% and he was furious. He couldn’t wrap his head around it.  32:00 - KD starts doing a mock performance review/pay conversation with JLee. The pay will never be what you want.  34:00 - KD says people don’t contrast good vs. great enough.   
On episode 96 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss a reported uptick in Glassdoor reviews mentioning inflation and the power dynamics (or lack thereof) of making someone use your Calendly scheduler. Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 3:00 - JLee’s dry January quickly devolved into drinking wine on a Wednesday. She just finished Station Eleven and is watching And Just Like That.  5:20 - Tim has been loving season 2 of Righteous Gemstones. He says it’s his guilty pleasure.  9:00 - KD recommends Southside on HBO Max. He calls it “lighter fare” in comparison to the post-apocalyptic Station Eleven.  11:45 - KD found a Twitter thread from an economist about the rising concern from employees about inflation and how it affects their pay. KD asks JLee how much concern there actually is about inflation.  18:00 - Tim doesn’t think the average Glassdoor reviewer is mentioning raises due to inflation but the average employe e may be discussing inflation while asking for a raise.  21:20 - KD poses a situation to Tim where an employee comes in and tells him that his company’s pay isn’t keeping up with inflation.  23:20 - Next topic: the power dynamics of using automated calendars. KD mentions this tweet about the etiquette behind Calendly.  26:00 - Tim doesn’t get how it’s a power play for someone to send a meeting link to someone else for a pre-arranged meeting. JLee offers a different power play scenario that fits the bill.  28:30 - If you click a Calendly link, does that make you somebody’s b****? JLee and Tim don’t see what the big deal is. They also both do not use an automated calendar system.  33:00 - KD says that the person that sends their Calendly link after someone has already sent one is the true power graber.  40:00 - We’re pulling for an early summer!!!
On episode 95 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leader Tim Sackett is joined by HireEZ’s (formerly Hiretual) CMO, Shannon Pritchett, to discusses Outbound Recruiting strategies and the real struggles of modern TA. Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:15 - It’s a Tim solo pod today! He is joined by special guest Shannon Pritchard. She is the Head of Marketing from HireEZ (formerly Hiretual).  6:30 - Tim notes that in marketing, we often don’t devote enough resources to building communities when that could be a great strategy for the longevity of a business. Shannon notes that this is something that HireEZ (formerly Hiretual) has learned from being at a start-up.  9:15 - Tim asks Shannon to explain what HireEZ is to those who might not know. Shannon notes it’s an outbound recruiting process. They want to bring in automation and AI to speed up the recruiting process.  10:00 - Tim discusses how the modern recruiter will say the most difficult part of their job is finding talent. He says that it’s not really the hardest thing but it’s getting talent to respond to you and talk about your position.  12:00  - You heard it here first! Hiretual will now be known as HireEZ.  15:00 - Shannon notes that they’re giving referral bonuses for interviews. 17:30 - Tim tells a story about how a TA leader took several months to get back to him from a LinkedIn message. What are they doing?? 20:00 - Tim says that some TA leaders will ask him if they should hire another recruiter or add more tech. He says they will probably need both.  23:30 - Shannon says that it’s important to not stop advertising but to reinvest in outbound tactics.  25:00 - Tim asks Shannon to discuss the mini-conference HireEZ is hosting in Mountain View this week. They’re calling it Outbound RecruitCon. It’s only an hour long! 26:50 - Tim thinks the future of TA may be having an inbound team and an outbound team.  30:00 - Tim says that he doesn’t see himself in a corporate TA role in the future but he would set up an inbound and outbound team if he were in that role.  36:30 - You can find Shannon on Twitter @sourcingshannon and check out!
On episode 94 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee come together to discuss bathrooms in the workplace, Wordle, and why you shouldn’t let your employees choose their WFH days.  Listen below and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (iTunes) and follow (Spotify)! 1:30 - KD is out sick this week! Just Tim and JLee.  3:00 - Tim mentions that he had a conversation with a co-worker in the bathroom before they hopped on their call. JLee asked if they make eye contact while they talk… 5:00 - JLee talks about how genderless bathrooms can bring about new bathroom dynamics. Tim says he’s only seen genderless bathrooms where it’s single-use only.  7:30 - Tim asks JLee if she’s the type of Mom that lets her kid in the bathroom or locks the door. She says she tries to lock the door so she can play Wordle. 9:45 - JLee is a Wordle strategy queen. Tim has failed but JLee is still undefeated.  13:30 - The draft of KD’s second book is done! Look out for Best Boss Ever coming soon.  15:45 - Tim and JLee are big fans of footnotes in books. More footnotes in books! 17:45 - Harvard Business Review released their top articles of 2021 and the top one of the year was “Don’t Let Your Employees Pick Their WFH Days”. This article discusses the realities of making WFH successful long term.  19:30 - One main reason to not let your employees choose their WFH days is the idea of “mixed modes”. This refers to the reality where some people are in the office and some are at home. 22:00 - JLee thinks it’s important to designate and create criteria for in-office work so you can reduce your office footprint and optimize in-person work.  24:00 - The vast majority of people want to WFH on Mondays and Fridays.  27:20 - Tim thinks it’s naive to “treat people like adults” when it’s very prevalent that there are WFH/hybrid work issues.  29:00 - Tim talks about a discussion he had with an employee about a “blacklist”. He jokes that there isn’t an industry “blacklist” but he has his own personal one.  31:00 - Tim is a fan of an employment blockchain. JLee is less of a fan.  
On episode 93 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss eating on video calls, hiring during the holidays, and choosing your own salary and benefits.   Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 3:30 - JLee ponders the etiquette of eating on camera during WFH meetings. She’s had co-workers eat hot dogs and many other things. Tim asks why someone is eating hot dogs at home during the day… 5:45 - KD thinks it’s fine to eat during normal eating hours but not with any external clients.  8:00 - JLee is a regular on-camera eater. She says that she often goes to the pantry in the middle of calls and comes back in with a snack.  13:20 - JLee has a job opening and she’s ready to post the job but is worried about posting it during the holidays. KD says she should post the job right away with no hesitation. Tim talks about how post-new year’s, many people will have new found motivation. 16:30 - Here is the link to the Marriott job JLee is hiring for! Go work with her! 18:30 - KD mentions a consulting job where the company he worked with had a strategy that consisted of solely on reposting jobs and money on 21:00 - JLee is the best hiring manager. She’s responsive, does some of her own sourcing, and writes stellar job descriptions.  23:00 - JLee mentions an article about a company in France that let their employees choose their own salary and hours to help prevent burnout. JLee asks the crew what they think their employees’ response was.  26:00 - KD mentions how sales people at a company carry a huge burden to bring in the revenue for a business. Tim says that his sales employees have to bring in 5 to 6 times their salary in order to provide for the entire company.  28:30 - JLee mentions that Tim’s answer was pretty spot on. Some asked for more money, some asked for more benefits, and some didn’t ask for anything more.  30:00 - KD thinks the baller move is to ask for a 3-day work week rather than a pay increase.  32:00 - JLee mentions that some Audi employees get free cars, comped car insurance, and some money for gas!
On episode 92 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss how HR and Recruiting could be more like Uber, then shift to the promise of legal immigration in the USA to help fight worker shortage issues.  Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 1:30 - Tim recently went and sat on the floor at an MSU game. He said he doesn’t know how to go to a basketball game ever again.  9:45 - Bruce Springsteen recently sold his music catalog for $500 million. Tim asks the group what artist/group they would buy a catalog from. JLee chose Mariah Carey. KD chose Nirvana.  13:00 - Tim mentions that Taylor Swift’s catalog got sold but she is now re-recording all of her catalog to get back at the owners. Tim chose Michael Jackson just over Prince.  15:15 - JLee saw Yao Ming in her office once and was blown away by how big he was and how it impacts every part of his life.  16:30 - Tim mentions an article about how Uber made it’s users okay with waiting. He relates to a candidate experience perspective and asks how HR pros and recruiters could put something in place to make waiting better.  18:00 - KD thinks that hiring managers need to commit to a day that they will make their decision and communicate that date. It's the equivalent of arrival time for Uber! 20:00 - Tim says that ATS status updates are too high-level and unspecific.  24:00 - JLee has the idea to do “hiring manager ratings” just like “driver ratings” that are on rideshare apps. Tim iterates off that and comes up with “number of interviews/hires” just like “number of rides”. 25:15 - In 2021, the US population grew .1%. This is the lowest amount since 1918, when the influenza pandemic and World War 1 were happening. Tim thinks this is a major demographic issue where we aren’t replacing as fast as we are losing people.  27:30 - Tim asks the crew how revamping immigration could help fight against this problem. JLee and Tim discuss making it easier for people to immigrate by focusing on the process.  31:00 - KD mentions how 300,000 visas sounds miniscule for what is actually needed to help with the lack of workers issue in this country. 
On episode 91 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Kris Dunn come together to discuss Jeff Bezos’ carbon footprint and the major blunder related to Zoom-based layoffs at  Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:00 - It’s boy’s week on HR Famous! Please stay with us JLee fan club! 3:00 - Follow Tim on Insta @timsackett!  4:30 - Amazon founder Jeff Bezos recently went to space and his carbon footprint for the 9 minute flight was equal to the carbon footprint of 1 billion people on Earth… 7:00 - Tim doesn’t like it when people on vacation tell you what to do.  10:30 - The CEO of, Vishal Garg, decided to announce layoffs of 9% of their workforce. He had a call with 900 employees that were getting laid off and rather than having the entire company on the call, they laid off everyone on the call. 13:00 - Tim says that both him and KD have been in companies that had to do massive layoffs and they still found time to make it personal and not so heartless. 16:30 - The CEO accused his employees of only working 2 hours a day and “stealing from the company”.  21:00 - Garg is taking time off effectively immediately. is rated as the best place to work in NYC… 26:30 - Tim says that he can recognize why the PR and comms execs resigned because they could get a lot of flack if they stayed and had to take ownership for Garg’s failures.  37:30 - Tim thinks that Garg needs to resign as CEO and stay on the board but hire a real CEO to run this company.
On episode 90 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss characters on HBO's Succession, wearing company branded apparel on Zoom calls to attempt to build culture, and increases in health insurance costs.  Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:45 - JLee had a call with her chief legal counsel and she forgot she had a hoodie on and felt underdressed.  4:15 - JLee is late to the Succession game but now she is obsessed. Tim and KD are long time fans. JLee asks “who is the least worst of the Succession siblings?”.  9:40 - Tim didn’t realize while watching Schitt’s Creek that Catherine O’Hara (Moira Rose) was the mom in Home Alone…  11:30 - A recent Business Insider article reported that a CEO of an established company expects all employees to wear baseball caps/hats on Zoom calls to represent being a part of the company.  16:45 - Tim mentioned that when he worked at Applebee’s, they loved when their employees wore their logo on the clothes they wore to work and often gave out clothing with the logo.  19:30 - JLee just realized she’s a perpetrator of this because she bought every member of her team the same hat on a team outing… 26:00 - JLee has noticed that benefits rates are going up and she’s curious about how companies are communicating to their employees why the rates are increasing. Tim said his rates were going to go up by a 34% increase.  28:00 - Tim says that during the pandemic, health insurance companies had really low utilization and so it looks like this is a cash grab.  32:00 - Tim has often run into a problem with Blue Cross where they always try to make you pay more than you actually need to and then, employees need to fight back against the insurance company.  35:00 - JLee is a brand loyalist, even when it comes to medicine!
On episode 89 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss gifted book recommendations, letting employees hire for new roles, and helping your children negotiate job offers.  Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)! SHOW HIGHLIGHTS: 2:30 - Shoutout to JLee’s brother-in-law, Eugene! 5:00 - Tim is on yet another vacation with his wife and family to Hawaii! He bought a few books for this trip and he asked the crew if they were going to give a book to someone for the holidays, what book would they give? 6:30 - KD’s recommendations include Conspiracy by Ryan Holiday and American Kingpin by Nick Bilton.  8:00 - JLee recommends Plant Therapy for the plant lovers and Act like a leader, Think like a leader by Hereminia Ibarra for the business folk. Tim recommends Living, Loving, and Learning by Leo Buscaglia.  13:00 - Lots of great book recs this episode! KD recommends fiction writer Douglas Copeland 14:20 - Tim recently wrote a blog post asking “what if we let our normal employees make a hire?”. This would involve almost none of the normal application process; no interview, no resumes, no filler.  17:00 - KD says that to an extent, companies already do this with the adage “everyone’s a recruiter”.  19:45 - Tim thinks that small orgs can test this hiring practice and do it on a much smaller scale rather than a huge scale at a major corporation.  23:45 - JLee tells a story about her first interview at Marriott. JLee wasn’t a typical hire since she didn’t come from a huge brand and a prestigious university.  26:00 - Tim says you have to be careful on who you hand this hiring responsibility too but notes that some companies that are struggling to find employees have nothing to lose. 27:00 - Tim’s son and podcast producer, Cam, just recently accepted a new job offer. He asked Tim if he should negotiate his job offer and Tim said of course. Tim was super nervous that as soon as he negotiated, that his offer would get pulled.  31:30 - KD asks JLee about how many managers would step away from an offer if someone tried to negotiate with them. JLee thinks less than 10%.  ---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett Kinetix HRU Tech Jessica Lee on LinkedIn Tim Sackett on Linkedin Kris Dunn on LinkedIn The Tim Sackett Project The HR Capitalist Fistful of Talent Boss Leadership Training Series
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Snowy Sel

Great opening episode, “you’re not famous, you’re HR famous” is a great description of why the pod is called that! Look forward to hearing you get opinionated on issues in future! PS - the U.K. pronounce Marriott like JLee, never heard it pronounced that other weird bag of wrong way! Haha!

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